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    Protective gear

    As a previous thread of mine obviates, I've been doing a lot of thinking and experimenting with the issue of protective gear.

    And I have come to the conclusion that when the sun is burning almost any level of protective gear is a greater menace than it is a saviour.

    I assert this on two counts.

    The first being: When the temps are in the high 20's, being wrapped in leather or Kordura, gloves, boots and helmet, is little more than being in a mobile sauna.

    Thus the ever-increasing, almost impoosible to measure, stress caused by being over-heated cannot do any less than start shutting down the 'sauna'wrapped' rider's brain.

    However, riding along in a t-shirt and jeans, or even shorts, allows full and free aircon to wipe away the effects of the heat.

    'Arh, but!' I hear you all scream. 'What about if you go down? At least in full leathers or Kordura your skin will be in tact in the event of a bin!'

    And, of course, you'd be absolutely right if said bin just happened to be say, and nice, low-side slide into a remarkably convenient patch of grass.

    But what will all that gear do for you, when your brain has shut down due to heat-exhaustion, but you haven't noticed on account of it's a kind of creeping death, when you bin and there ain't no convenient patch of grass (like we have on the track) to slide over?

    What happens is, you get to hit something rather solid, or go under the wheels of some other vehicle.

    If we could bring you back from the grave and ask, 'What happened? Why did you go wide and hit?????' You would probably answer, 'I'm fucked if I know. One minute I was having a good time then next.... I don't know what happened.'

    I do. You were suffering heat exhaustion and your brain had shut down.

    And, of course, the next part of these frequent "death-plays" is the fact that the riders are mostly weekend warriors, given a leave-pass from the missus, one a week/fortnight/month. Dressed to give it death, the leathers or Kordura creating a sense of bullet-proofness...'Hey! I'm dressed to crash!'


    Till they crash and hit something solid, then all the leather or Kordura in the world won't save their arse.

    Add to that the feelings a sometimes-biker gets...Jesus, let's face it, even we frequent bikers get it. The throb, the power, the sounds, the freedom, the superiority over slow cagers...all the stuff which makes biking so good.

    Now couple limited bike-time with heat-stress. Oh yeah, ya leathers will save you every time. BULLSHIT!

    Last week I rode from Rotorua to Orks, in a T-shirt, gloves, and sandshoes. Two things revealed. First was; having none of the 'supposed' protection of all the good gear I remained extremely focused on the task in hand. Second was, because I was always quite cool, I was able to maintain my focus.

    It was a freaky-hot day, yet bike after bike passed me going the other way, with the riders dressed to kill, and I thought, 'Buddy. You're an acident waiting to happen.'

    Riding in a T-Shirt.
    Yup. Agreed. No protection in the event of a slide onto nice flat grass, but about the same relative protection when hitting a Mac, head on, or T-boning a cage....Yeah, alright, maybe slightly less in the latter circumstance. But mostly, the end result is the same. Lose the plot, hit something solid, get dead.

    And the quickest way to lose the plot is to enable environmental stress to take over from where you brain left off. Heta or cold. They're equal enemies.

    Righto. Let's hear the screams of denial.
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    Sorry you have missed one positive aspect of sheathing ones scrotum in leather on a summer ride - the heat kills off the sperms.

    Pictures to follow................

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    Several people who have ridden in 50C heat will be along to let you know the benefits of keeping that heat and the sun off your skin. You'll dehydrate much quicker with your skin exposed than covered up and you won't notice it going on, especially at speeds that evaporate sweat quickly, to say nothing of the damage you are doing to yourself exposing skin on a hot day with NZ's UV count.

    Why do you think desert dwellers cover their entire bodies and have done so for millenia?

    Hydration on hot days is your responsibility. The lack of hydration is not the fault of your gear.
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    It's New Zealand for goodness' sake, not the Sahara.
    If your gear is so clammy and unbreathable that it's seriously affecting your stress levels, you need better gear.
    Haven't encountered a temperature yet that my cordura has't been comfy in.

    Plus makes the drink at the other end all the more refreshing.

    Why do you think desert dwellers cover their entire bodies and have done so for millenia?
    A very good point.

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    If you really find the leather and cordura gear so unbearably hot (and sometimes I do when I'm commuting but not on the open road) you can get air-mesh gear.

    It still has protective textile in the areas most prone to damage, and armour, but the other areas (under arms etc) are made of mesh and let the air through.

    I find mine very pleasant on my daily commute in summer.
    There is no such thing as bad weather; only inappropriate clothing!

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    Ummmm air mesh gear............. There's plenty out there these days.

    http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/acc...son/index.html

    Or get perforated leathers and those clever under-suits that stop you sweating. I haven't overheated since I got mine and that includes on the track in Jan and Feb.

    The heat is no excuse for not wearing most of the gear all of the time. Much as you've managed to justify it to yourself it's a bullshit argument.

    (and I'm no ATGATT freak either)

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    has anyone here ever thrown a hand grenade....just wondering.




    *this thread is stupid so I thought Id get the most stupid reply in*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drider87 View Post
    has anyone here ever thrown a hand grenade....just wondering.
    I have...actually it was two. The first one was a dud.....
    And Ive fired a M79? rocket launcher ( the Yank ones) with a real bomb on the end of it
    Courtesy of Basic training with the Territorials.
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    Proof that gear helps most of the time


    For the whole body in 90% of cases gear helped and a third of the time it totally prevented injury.

    That's pretty good evidence.

    And like I said, I'm no ATGATT freak. You take your chances that's fine with me (even if I think it's stupid and I hate paying your ACC bills) but don't try to tell me it's safer in any way mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drider87 View Post
    has anyone here ever thrown a hand grenade....just wondering.




    *this thread is stupid so I thought Id get the most stupid reply in*
    Yes many times in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by puddytat View Post
    I have...actually it was two. The first one was a dud.....
    And Ive fired a M79? rocket launcher ( the Yank ones) with a real bomb on the end of it
    Courtesy of Basic training with the Territorials.
    The same and while over sea's. Got to love live fire.

    Also had to put in a stupid bit on this forum. lmao

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    I've crossed Spain in mid summer several times, with temps in excess of 35C, and never experienced such thing as heat-stress. I wear black leathers and helmet.

    Only trick is to keep hydration levels up: I always wear a camelback full of isotonics and ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mujambee View Post
    I always wear a camelback full of isotonics and ice.

    Excellent - just make sure you don't wear cameltoe

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    Hmmm I'm not gonna agree straight away that this was a lot of rubbish....to tell you the truth, you made me think about it for a while....Every doco i see of countries like india, they all ride like the clappers in t-shirts and shorts.

    I dont think I'm gonna change back to t-shirts and shorts tho' like I did before I got my gear ....But sometimes I do wish I could

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    Quote Originally Posted by H00dz View Post
    Hmmm I'm not gonna agree straight away that this was a lot of rubbish....to tell you the truth, you made me think about it for a while....Every doco i see of countries like india, they all ride like the clappers in t-shirts and shorts.

    I dont think I'm gonna change back to t-shirts and shorts tho' like I did before I got my gear ....But sometimes I do wish I could

    cheers
    India is a bad example in so many ways. If your basic religious tenet was "you'll be back", you'd ride like the clappers in shorts and chandals as well.
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    Riders who think that wearing less will keep them cooler when ambient temperatures are high (35 degree plus) are deluding themselves.

    A few months ago I was privileged enough to spend several weeks riding in the USA and Canada. On some of those days the temperature ran into the high 40s and, on occasion, into the low 50s. Wearing a helmet with the visor down was essential. Imagine tailgating an F16 and you'll start to get an impression of how unrelenting and desiccating such conditions are. We stopped every half or so to take on about a litre of water. Every second stop we had a water fight to make sure that the cottons we had on under our mesh jackets got a good soaking.

    Here in New Zealand I'm generally in the habit of flipping my visor open when I enter a 50kmh speed limit, just to get a bit of fresh air in my helmet. Once the temperature gets up, believe me when I say that there's no such thing as fresh air, at any speed.

    The bike gets so hot you can't touch levers unless you've got gloves on. Take the ignition keys out and they're burning hot. The sheepskin seat covers were a godsend for those times we had to get back on the bike if it had been parked in the sun for a while.

    Great fun, but only an idiot or a potato crisp would want to spend longer than a few minutes unclad.
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