So, a rozza enters my home...

**Oscar** · 14th March 2009, 10:31

Originally Posted by scumdog

How long SHOULD evidence be held for??? forever - or less?

If so, how much 'less'??

In this case "less" was 18 months after the trial.

Very convenient.

**scumdog** · 14th March 2009, 10:35

Originally Posted by Oscar

In this case "less" was 18 months after the trial.

Very convenient.

If it had been 5 years later would there be a difference?

Standard to get rid of evidence after the appeal period in most cases (all?)

**Oscar** · 14th March 2009, 10:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

If it had been 5 years later would there be a difference?

Standard to get rid of evidence after the appeal period in most cases (all?)

Why?

If I'm required to keep tax documents for up to 10 years, why can't the cops keep evidence?

If we're talking capital offenses, it should be only after all avenues have been exhausted (Privy Council in this case), or the prisoner admits guilt or comes up for parole.

Besides, the destruction of evidence was only one of the fuck ups in this case.

**scumdog** · 14th March 2009, 10:49

Originally Posted by Oscar

Why?

If I'm required to keep tax documents for up to 10 years, why can't the cops keep evidence?

That would be a fistful of tangled yarn for sure - i.e. victims wanting property used as evidence returned etc etc .

It would require a not inconsiderable effort to square away a law that would suit everybody regarding evidence.

**Patrick** · 14th March 2009, 10:59

Originally Posted by trustme

So the copper that burst in on Triboy was part of a conspiracy to get a murder conviction in Dunedin so Rob Pope could get promoted
Mean time Triboy sits like a wall flower cos no one from the Rozzas is talking to him because the red squad is too busy rounding up the usual suspects while their badges are at home in the wash

You guys gotta stop watching 'Days of our Lives'

Originally Posted by trustme

If Patrick agrees you'll have a conspiracy.

I disagree... Triboy doesn't seem like the wall flower type...

See? No conspiracy...

Originally Posted by Oscar

Are the scumbags the guys who may or may not be guilty (Bain being a classic example), or the incompetent cops who so badly fucked up the case that we'll never know who did it?

The Bain case has now reached the point where a retrial is a farce, a waste of tax payers money. According to the Privy Council he didn't get a fair trail then, and he can't get one now (what sort of idiot destroys evidence, or doesn't use the date/numbering function on a forensic camera shoot?).

Let the guy go free, pay him compensation and try and do summat about the idjuts and the system that got us to this point.

Try and do summit about the idjits who got us there in the first place? Let me see... a jury was convinced, beyond reasonable doubt, all 12 of em... it was appealed, and tossed. It went to the privvy council and was tossed. It wnet back and forth a few more times to the privvy council, until they finally got their way..... You are right. Something shoud be done about Joe KARAM, that bloody idjit.....

I am positive the cops didn't commit mass murder, yet you feel a mass murderer should get compensation and be let loose. Good one...

**Oscar** · 14th March 2009, 11:20

Originally Posted by scumdog

That would be a fistful of tangled yarn for sure - i.e. victims wanting property used as evidence returned etc etc .

It would require a not inconsiderable effort to square away a law that would suit everybody regarding evidence.

The evidence in question is a blood stain on Robin Bain's hand.
It was never tested and I doubt the owner wants it back...

**Oscar** · 14th March 2009, 11:25

Originally Posted by Patrick

Try and do summit about the idjits who got us there in the first place? Let me see... a jury was convinced, beyond reasonable doubt, all 12 of em... it was appealed, and tossed. It went to the privvy council and was tossed. It wnet back and forth a few more times to the privvy council, until they finally got their way..... You are right. Something shoud be done about Joe KARAM, that bloody idjit.....

I am positive the cops didn't commit mass murder, yet you feel a mass murderer should get compensation and be let loose. Good one...

Thanks to Police incompetence, we don't know if he's a mass-murderer or not.

And you remember all that stuff about being entitled to a fair trial, benefit of the doubt and all that? Has the Police College scrubbed that course in favour of more lessons on how to say fatuous things to citizens whilst you rob them blind on the Queen's Highway? Perhaps a new course on how to get away with historic rape allegations?

Now Karam may or may not be an idiot (personally I am of the former opinion), he made the cops look stupid, so what does that say about them..?

**scumdog** · 14th March 2009, 11:32

Originally Posted by Oscar

Now Karam may or may not be an idiot (personally I am of the former opinion), he made the cops look stupid, so what does that say about them..?

Since we're all in rant mode - who did he make them look stupid to?

Gullible people??

**Oscar** · 14th March 2009, 11:40

Originally Posted by scumdog

Since we're all in rant mode - who did he make them look stupid to?

Gullible people??

(rant mode - I can't find the "off" switch - it's been stuck on since election day 1984)

Non-cops.

**Patrick** · 14th March 2009, 11:51

North and South did a great story a few years ago about KARAM and his team over their investigative methods.

If the cops acted the same way, the case would have been tossed befroe it got off the ground...

North and South sure aint cops.

The jury weren't cops. Neither were the judges on the court of appeal and the earlier privvy council.....

You're trolling for what, exactly...???

**Patrick** · 14th March 2009, 11:52

Originally Posted by Oscar

Thanks to Police incompetence, we don't know if he's a mass-murderer or not.

And you remember all that stuff about being entitled to a fair trial, benefit of the doubt and all that? Has the Police College scrubbed that course in favour of more lessons on how to say fatuous things to citizens whilst you rob them blind on the Queen's Highway? Perhaps a new course on how to get away with historic rape allegations?

Now Karam may or may not be an idiot (personally I am of the former opinion), he made the cops look stupid, so what does that say about them..?

Ahhh... now I see where you are coming from... you got a ticket once or more.....

Cancel......

**Oscar** · 14th March 2009, 11:56

Originally Posted by Patrick

North and South did a great story a few years ago about KARAM and his team over their investigative methods.

If the cops acted the same way, the case would have been tossed befroe it got off the ground...

North and South sure aint cops.

The jury weren't cops. Neither were the judges on the court of appeal and the earlier privvy council.....

You're trolling for what, exactly...???

I sold my boat.
This is the only fishing I get to do these days.

I hadn't realised that hooking, playing, land and gutting the Lesser Pigfish would be so much fun...I may never go back on the water...

**Patrick** · 16th March 2009, 13:54

Originally Posted by Oscar

I sold my boat.
This is the only fishing I get to do these days.

I hadn't realised that hooking, playing, land and gutting the Lesser Pigfish would be so much fun...I may never go back on the water...

Ohhh... a Pig Fish...

So original... I guess that one got away then, since it spotted the troll....

Let it go. We all get tickets. Get over it.

**Oscar** · 16th March 2009, 14:56

Originally Posted by Patrick

Ohhh... a Pig Fish...

So original... I guess that one got away then, since it spotted the troll....

Let it go. We all get tickets. Get over it.

Pigfish.
Yeah, it wasn't my best work, but whaddaya gonna do?

I haven't had a ticket for ages.
What I object to is the slow erosion of my rights.
Enabling random stopping for Breath Testing was a step on the slippery slope.
Now you see checkpoints for WOF's and rego - how can that be legal?