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Thread: TV1 - Close Up @ 7.00pm - Returning riders causing accidents (20 March)

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    I agree with the majority of what was said.

    Pity Paul Henry (Wankstain Extraordinaire) had to turn the last half of the segment into a wankfest.

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    I agree what a load of crap... the person that it revolved round first was an accident on a diesel spill and that's meant to be the riders fault that he is in the mid-life age group...

    ffs I'm one of those and as phil goff said we are more cautious.... would be good to know the statistics of what caused each accident and how many were road conditions....

    my biggest scare has been from road conditions ie: de stoned black tar roads

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    Never thought much of Phil Goof but at least he put up some defense, at least 1 person in parliment may have a voice for us.
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    This was a report by a person who had probably never owned a bike before in there life and therefor had no idea why we ride. I can agree with some of what they said but and disagree with other parts of it. but you have to take some of it with pinch of salt. especially the part where they refred to the majority of bikers as hard to educate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly View Post
    Anybody else watch this report? What a load of bollocks!!!

    Buy a Japanese 750 as it's safer than buying a Harley... Fuck off you dick.

    Oh, fuck it. It's the same old biased crap.

    Harleys are safer, only go as fast as you push them

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    Oh, go on! The media aren't all about sensationalising. They don't use words like "crisis", and phrases like "killing themselves in droves" to make it sound worse than it is... do they?

    Of course it was a beat-up, most stories are when the networks a fiercely competing for ratings.

    However for those of us who can ignore the hype, the problem is a real one, and I for one had that "Oh, crap!" moment after getting the GSX600F to return to biking and underestimated the rate of acceleration of a bike with twice the power of the old '73 T500 I had back in the '70's! Fortunately it also had far better handling and brakes! But the next time I was tempted to play with a fast car, I thought about it and declined.

    Since getting back into biking in '03, I have relearned my riding skills and appreciate I'm not as skilled as others so don't try to match faster riders, or car drivers who would like me to "have a go".

    The rider in the story who died, slipped on spilled diesel on a corner, the fact that he was riding a Busa wouldn't have made any difference - he was noted as an experienced and very skilled rider. Toaster had a bad accident with a sheep, (no not that type of accident!!!), on a corner at a relatively low speed and many accidents are not of the rider's fault. A few are, though, and I recognise that if the handling and brakes of the 600 had been as they were in the '70's, I might have been in a lot of pain or possibly dead. Lesson learned and I lived to ride another day.

    I doubt that many older riders are careless, but may underestimate the power and speed of modern machinery and overestimate their skills, so if the Govt. can encourage taking refresher courses by publicising it good on them. Legislation would be very difficult to write, let alone enforce.
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    The number of deaths had increased, but later on they said the number of registrations had quadrupled. They didn't join the two stats together and I couldn't remember the number, but it didn't seem like the 'rate' of deaths had increased hugely. (compared to number of bikes)
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    Anyone else notice the MP riding the bike on tv without wearing a helmet? Didnt catch the name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy View Post
    The number of deaths had increased, but later on they said the number of registrations had quadrupled. They didn't join the two stats together and I couldn't remember the number, but it didn't seem like the 'rate' of deaths had increased hugely. (compared to number of bikes)

    Yeah, that too...
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    close up tonight

    born again n00bs dying in large numbers...

    the govt clearly cant do shit

    were all fucked!

    what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sil3ntwar View Post
    Anyone else notice the MP riding the bike on tv without wearing a helmet? Didnt catch the name.

    Wasn't it Hone Harawira? And they made it sound as though Gareth Morgan rides a Harley, ha ha ha.
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    I do find it rather odd that there are so many laws and rules saying what we/I/you cannot do, however someone who has not ridden a motorcycle for 20 years can pop down to their dealer and ride off on a Bussa, ZX14, Rocket 3 etc.
    Then again a 16 year old can pass the test and buy a skyline on the way home.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by snodpete View Post
    Yeah - I'm cynical about the Close Up coverage - yet as a relative n00b and 'mature' returning rider I fit right in the demographic of highly at risk 'temporary NZers'...

    I'm constantly mindful of the danger and do fear the reaper - looking at a 650 for first real bike, will that make me safer? I wonder.
    Haha... the obsession with a motorcycles cc rating is as old as err, well its pretty old.

    My (commuter) 650 is wayyyy quicker tham my Harley Sportster ever was.

    The issue is simple. On a motorcycle you are 16-26 times more likely to die than in a car.

    Helmets, jackets, lights on and pink fluoro jackets may help.

    But they arent as good as seatbelts, active stability control, 4 wheel ABS, 16 airbags, and 3 feet of crumple zone.

    In fact they arent even as good as a sunvisor or windscreen wipers.

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