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Thread: TV1 - Close Up @ 7.00pm - Returning riders causing accidents (20 March)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom View Post
    You know this how? Absolute bollocks mate!

    The Ministry of Transport representative on the clip last night clearly stated that 50% of motorcycle accidents are attributed to rider error and 50% to other road users fault. Still not wonderful statistics but nothing like the number you just stated. You have just raised another good question for me to ask.
    http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...-Factsheet.pdf

    Yes half of *all* accidents are rider fault.

    75% of *fatal* motorcycle accidents are rider fault.

    Why? Having cars pulling out in front of you happen more in suburban low speed areas and result in more minor injuries... i.e. concussions, broken arms etc.

    Fatal motorcycle accidents tend to happen out in the countryside on the open road at higher speeds when the rider fails to take a corner and goes through a farmers fence or into the path of an oncoming car/motorcycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightspark View Post
    In short, its about the 'pack' mentality. People who post here often want to align themselves with the majority. Hence the guy on Close Up who spoke on behalf of bikers in (in my opinion) a thoughtful and intelligent way, has seen a few posts here criticising his comments , and rather than defend himself, has apparently decided to instead, align himself with the 'pack' and distance himself from his own words!

    Without any evidence to back my claim whatsoever, I would suggest that the 'one of the gang' mentality which pervades these pages, transfers itself to the open road every weekend. A group of riders tends to get led by the Alpha male who, to maintain the position at the front, has to be the fastest rider, most willing to take risks. The rest either try to keep up, or are out of the 'gang'.
    Maybe its just me, but this alpha male stuff.. if you ride like that, pushing it just to be 'in front' then you will end up under a truck. If you dont see that coming then you will feel it soon. And if you ride in a group that operates like that.. its stupid. grow up? ridings supposed to be about having fun, not racing your buddies to the death or am i wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    This poor bugger died from what looked like the same scenario? But does anyone blame the bloody shocking state of our roads, no. Its always "ride to the the conditions"
    I bet you a dozen other motorcycles made it through that corner ok that day. A factor that didn't help the rider was like the car driver who was passed by the bike at a high rate of speed said... "I could hear him coming before he even passed me!"

    Ride to the the conditions isn't a silly notion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipshit View Post
    "I could hear him coming before he even passed me!"
    And that proves that he was going fast? cmon

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    Sure, we might have terrible sections of roading in New Zealand but........

    What good is going to come from lying on your death bed crying "but it wasn't my fault, it was the road's fault"?

    I'm all for trying to get the authorities to improve the road conditions but until then - RIDE TO THE CURRENT CONDITIONS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    Ta mate. Problem being I had a ten minute speal with the reporter...but the bits I really wanted them to air they didn't.
    Here is the secret... Do not sign the release until they have showed you the finished (edited) version that they intend to broadcast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipshit View Post
    .. [I]"I could hear him coming before he even passed me!"
    That must be why they were eluding to harley rider accidents then.

    I can here them coming a mile away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Guzzi Widow View Post
    The highlighting of a the B.A.B issue was great, however, how come they attached the story of the death of a rider who was reported as NOT a B.A.B???
    Maybe because he happened to of died and made the newspapers around the time the producers decided to put the story together... so he was the one they could interview family and show footage of the funeral etc. Timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzbang View Post
    And that proves that he was going fast? cmon
    Reminds me of a incident years ago around Kaikoura - a mate got a speeding ticket. He was pulled over at the bottom of the hills (he was not speeding when pull over) - the cop wrote him a ticket for speeding as "I could hear you going through the gears on the hill - you must have been speeding'.
    Enough to say he got off that one......

    Funny in retrospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzbang View Post
    And that proves that he was going fast? cmon
    Of course everyone here will conveniently overlook that bit and blame the road instead.

    Blaming everything on car drivers and the roads is half the problem.

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    completely ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipshit View Post
    Of course everyone here will conveniently overlook that bit and blame the road instead.
    Im not saying he wasnt at fault. BUT basing your conclusion on why he crashed on some half arsed piece of evidence like that is ridiculous!

    do i really have to point out that any bike with some customized exhaust has the potential to be extremely loud?

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    Well I guess I am as close to the stereo-type as you can get. I rode bikes and did my test in the 1980s and it was only because I got a scooter in 2002 to get me to town quickly through the traffic that I decided to get another bike. 80kph on a 50cc put-put wasn’t enough and only served to wet my appetite. My wife said ‘no’, but I told her to put it down to my mid-life crisis and just went ahead anyway. This was in 2004. Fortunately she is a great pillion passenger and always wants me to go faster around the corners!

    Whilst getting my bike insured I noticed that my licence had no mention of my 1984 motorcycle test. Further enquires revealed that I had omitted to send off my pass certificate (I still had it) and hence I could not legally ride (BUGGER). So I put myself on a Direct Access 4 day course, which included all the tests and a licence at the end. I was amazed by how things had changed over 20 years. In 1984, the examiner was on foot and after riding around the block a couple of times and doing an emergency stop, I had passed!

    By 2004, the level of proficiency and skill required to pass a modern test made it very challenging, even for a so called ‘road savvy’ experienced rider as I considered myself to be. Interestingly enough during one of the sessions a lady came to see the tutor and asked whom was in charge. He said “I am, why do you want to know?” She said that she wanted to thank him for excellent work. Of course he didn’t understand what she was on about. She stated that she was a matron at the local hospital’s orthopaedic ward. 15 years ago 85% of her beds were taken by the results from biking accidents (the non-fatal ones), she said that it is now less than 15%. She puts this down to better standards of education for new motorbike riders. This was in the UK. I do not know how representative her observations are/were in relation to other areas/countries however it was quite surprising.

    The fact that I was stupid enough not to sent off my pass certificate in 1984 may well have saved my life (though tomorrow is another day). As I said at the start, I am probably as close to the stereo-type as you will get. I like to think I am my age makes me fairly cautious and sensible in the decisions I make on the road however I do regularly like to push through the gears and ‘feel the force’ up to around 150kph when the road allows for it (in the UK it would be >200kph). As has already been stated, it only takes one mistake and that dowdy bloke spinning that wheel to the ‘DEATH’ wedge may one day be lurking in the bushes.

    I guess what I am saying is that I do understand some of the points that the program was attempting to make however it failed to acknowledge that there are many different types of riders. Referring to all riders as 'them' and being 'difficult to educate' was not constructive. I am always looking to improve my riding skills. Some cruiser riders I know really shouldn’t ride cruisers. Showing off the wear on the bike from leaning too far (for a cruiser) is just plain silly. We all just need to equip ourselves with the best knowledge and tools to cope with as much as what the road might throw at us as possible. I include defensive riding to cope with ignorant car drivers as part of the essential tools. There is no point in being ‘in the right’ if it might kill you.

    BTW: My new bike has ABS - my wife made it a condition of purchase. I have yet to feel it kick in however it is there to help avoid that one off potential life ending emergency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzbang View Post
    do i really have to point out that any bike with some customized exhaust has the potential to be extremely loud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzbang View Post
    Im not saying he wasnt at fault. BUT basing your conclusion on why he crashed on some half arsed piece of evidence like that is ridiculous!
    Reread what I said.... "I bet you a dozen other motorcycles made it through that corner ok that day. A factor that didn't help the rider was like the car driver who was passed by the bike at a high rate of speed said... "I could hear him coming before he even passed me!""

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