TV1 - Close Up @ 7.00pm - Returning riders causing accidents (20 March)

**Number One** · 21st March 2009, 16:51

Originally Posted by naphazoline

I felt it was disrespectful to Craig and his family.Craig wasn't in a midlife crisis,he's ridden all his life,so you can't say he's returning to riding,he could ride very well,and to top it all off,he was a fucking nice guy,from a nice family.

I thought that also. To me they talked about the issue of 'mid lifers getting back on without getting some instructions/refreshing their skills' but then they focussed on Craig - I think they kept missing what their point was and I didn't much like Pauls attitude either...he was like a wee dog that wants a fight but can't quite figure out who to pick it with.

**Naki Rat** · 21st March 2009, 17:26

Originally Posted by Number One

......and I didn't much like Pauls attitude either...he was like a wee dog that wants a fight but can't quite figure out who to pick it with.

The attitude and the IQ of a Pekinese - pretty accurate summation

**Reckless** · 21st March 2009, 17:31

Originally Posted by Katman

No, the point is - ride to the fucking conditions.

Nowhere did I say you shouldn't "ride to the fucking conditions" as you put it. Where did you read that! I said I thought that statement was starting to be used as an excuse for poor roads but of coarse we should try not to exceed our ability or out ride the conditions!
Jeepers talk about extreme mate?? I can only imagine don't you agree our roads could be much better??

I also agree with some of your comments about Graig. I can't remember anyone saying in the item that he'd only just bought the bike because of a mid life crisis attack! It was a poor example on their part I thought.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 21st March 2009, 17:37

Originally Posted by dipshit

So you base what is going on in this country on your own personal experiences..?? In other words you haven't got a f#ing clue and are just talking shit.

It isn't the biggest problem and why so many motorcyclists are killing themselves every weekend.

Fuck you are THE man! Love you to share your riding wisom with me at some stage. I reckon I could learn a shitload from you. Seeing as I don't have a fucking clue an all. And me talking shit? Mate...you should carry a roll of toilet paper with you.

**Katman** · 21st March 2009, 17:55

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Fuck you are THE man! Love you to share your riding wisom with me at some stage. I reckon I could learn a shitload from you. Seeing as I don't have a fucking clue an all. And me talking shit? Mate...you should carry a roll of toilet paper with you.

As has been said, on one hand you speak a lot of sense on the TV but suddenly, when you realise that it goes against what the mob want to hear, you suddenly change your tune and tow the Brotherhood line.

Sounds like fuck all of a clue to me.

**doc** · 21st March 2009, 18:30

This is becoming a bit like "talk back rider".

Originally before this, the family mentioned in the paper that he was a good rider and you could hear him before they saw him . Sort of like they knew it was him cos of the sound of the bike. I took it to mean that he was a fast rider

He wasn't a BAB and everyone is saying he was a good rider.

What the fark makes a good rider is pure rhetoric. Everyone has a different opinion. Just cos you are fast don't earn my respect. Well on the road anyway. Stoudy, Smith, Love, Sloane etc are good riders in my view, but I've no idea what they are like on the road ,but if they rode like they do on the track on the road. I'd think they were "bloody idiots". Not good riders at all

**Genestho** · 21st March 2009, 18:37

In reference to Doc's comment...
An old friend who raced the circuits this year said years ago " I race on the track because I like to go loose and faast, I dont need pulling over by the cops, and theres no oncoming traffic!" And he does. (No hes not on KB!)

a good endorsement for trackdays...eh?

**Viscount Montgomery** · 21st March 2009, 18:42

50/50 half their fault and half yours, this is all a croc of shit, keep eyes on road and hope the cars and trucks don't cross the centreline and hit you is about all you can fucken do, apart from oil or diesel, sounds like all this other hoon type shit is their own fault

**WilDun** · 21st March 2009, 18:44

Crasherfromwayback

Your name says it all, - you are not the sort of guy they were talking about in the programme, - you're much worse than that, - you obviously still haven't learnt the fundamentals of self preservation, and you can't string a sentence together without swearing at least 5 times,( because of your inability to find the necessary words).

It was only a lighthearted debate, basically slinging off at "old guys" whose ego overcame their ability, and also at the Harley for it's inability to corner properly and how it needed special techniques to manage. - All unfortunately sad but true!

The guy representing the bikers also made some balanced "home truth" statements!

**Katman** · 21st March 2009, 18:44

Originally Posted by Viscount Montgomery

keep eyes on road and hope the cars and trucks don't cross the centreline and hit you

What about the motorcycles?

**Genestho** · 21st March 2009, 18:45

Originally Posted by doc

This is becoming a bit like "talk back rider".

Kinda nice to have a chance for input though eh? Doesn't need to become personal and negative

Thought maybe why the story was attached is because they wanted to portray the affect of a Motorcycling fatality to the viewers, and I recon you're right Dipshit, timing.
Also that maybe even best riders get cleaned up....

**WilDun** · 21st March 2009, 18:49

See what I mean?

**Maha** · 21st March 2009, 18:52

Originally Posted by WilDun

Crasherfromwayback

Your name says it all, - you are not the sort of guy they were talking about in the programme, - you're much worse than that, - you obviously still haven't learnt the fundamentals of self preservation, and you can't string a sentence together without swearing at least 5 times,( because of your inability to find the necessary words).

It was only a lighthearted debate, basically slinging off at "old guys" whose ego overcame their ability, and also at the Harley for it's inability to corner properly and how it needed special techniques to manage. - All unfortunately sad but true!

The guy representing the bikers also made some balanced "home truth" statements!

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