TV1 - Close Up @ 7.00pm - Returning riders causing accidents (20 March)

[_Shrek_]

This thread is loosing it's relavance. John.

bit like most of the ....... that post in here

[davebullet]

Sadly, popular media reconfirms popular opinion. Campbell and the other guy wouldn't be nearly as popular if they went against public opinion.

Why don't they canvas for better road maintenance or subsidised advanced riding courses? Because they care about reporting it, but don't care about fixing it (that's not their job). A problem fixed is a problem that can no longer be reported on, and that's bad sales for current affairs programmes.

[WilDun]

bit like most of the ....... that post in here

So show us what we should be saying!

[BMWST?]

Sadly, popular media reconfirms popular opinion. Campbell and the other guy wouldn't be nearly as popular if they went against public opinion.

Why don't they canvas for better road maintenance or subsidised advanced riding courses? Because they care about reporting it, but don't care about fixing it (that's not their job). A problem fixed is a problem that can no longer be reported on, and that's bad sales for current affairs programmes.

Actually training was mentioned by Henry and the transport bloke.

[_Shrek_]

This thread is loosing it's relavance. John.

bit like most of the ....... that post in here

Agreed, its turned into (in good ole' KB fashion) Chinese Whispers....

Starting with.... returning rider buying big bikes and crashing....onto Harley Bashing and then shock horror...personal attackes!!!

So show us what we should be saying!

i see you are new, so welcome to KB but i would suggest that you read the hole thread & see where it has gone from the start

my quote to oldrider had two msg in it one to him & one to agree with what he & Maha said about this thread

[Naki Rat]

Now, I'm not saying that the biker who was killed was squeaky clean, whatever he was doing played a part. BUT how many of us that watched saw the long patch of tar bleed leading up to the crash site? And just knew that there was a big part of what happened? And how many car drivers saw the same thing? And never clicked as to the effect? Because, in general, 'they' are not affected by this major problem.
In HB we have our share of this shit, but a recent trip I did to Taranaki shocked me as to the extent of it there. Is the cause massive truck movements of the milk tanker variety?
The slightest bit of damp on this crap, and the unwary motorcyclist is dead meat. But the stats will only reflect 'single vehicle motorcycle fatality'. So Johnny Careful-But-Unlucky is now a hoon.

SH3 is our only route north out of Taranaki and it is a very 'challenging' piece of highway in places and also gets an additional thrashing when it becomes the alternative route for SH1 when snow closes the central plateau.

It is local knowledge that Mt Messenger is notorious for diesel (and cowshit) spills as the trucks grind their way over it and for this reason it is a death trap during the first rain following a dry spell. Sure Taranaki has it's milk tankers but then we don't have the logging trucks that other areas do. As somebody said a while back it's all about riding (or driving) to the conditions.

[_Shrek_]

It is local knowledge that Mt Messenger is notorious for diesel (and cowshit) spills as the trucks grind their way over it and for this reason it is a death trap during the first rain following a dry spell. Sure Taranaki has it's milk tankers but then we don't have the logging trucks that other areas do. As somebody said a while back it's all about riding (or driving) to the conditions.

this to me is PC ^^^

so why isn't something being down about "the spills"

how can you drive to the conditions if you can't always see the damm things

[Mom]

so why isn't something being down about "the spills"

I live between two of NZ's top 10 black spot bits of road. Local knowledge also plays a big part in safe travel around here. I can guarantee the fire siren will go off within 15 mins of the fist rain after a dry spell. It will head north to the Dome Valley where some car will have gone off at Falls Bridge, or it will be heading south to clean up an accident on Schedewys Hill.

Stock trucks deposit shit on our roads every day despite it being illegal, no amount of complaining does any good. As for diesel, how to police it? I watched a truck turn onto SH1 in Warkworth tipping diesel out from the tank and heading north towards the Dome. Rang the police when I got home (literally 2 mins) and they did not want to know. I even write to my MP about it, he agrees it is a problem too...LOL

[AllanB]

Yes It'll be good for the bikers and also good for Labour, John Key will probably buy a Harley now!

Heck no - John Key will buy a Honda

Remember - "you meet the nicest people on a Honda"

Obviously I'm proof of that.....

[naphazoline]

Unlike Harleys - when you are on the loud pedal on a Busa you are moving!

Good point.Too true.

[MSTRS:Me]

SH3 is our only route north out of Taranaki and it is a very 'challenging' piece of highway in places and also gets an additional thrashing when it becomes the alternative route for SH1 when snow closes the central plateau.

It is local knowledge that Mt Messenger is notorious for diesel (and cowshit) spills as the trucks grind their way over it and for this reason it is a death trap during the first rain following a dry spell. Sure Taranaki has it's milk tankers but then we don't have the logging trucks that other areas do. As somebody said a while back it's all about riding (or driving) to the conditions.

Actually, I came in from the south and left by the north, and it was just as bad on both. And the road into Whanga...goddamn that was 'interesting'...
And my comment about milk tankers is sound...there would be far more of those 'runs' on the roads around you than there would be logging runs elsewhere. Once or twice a day to/from every* dairy farm, 365 days a year.

* barring of course the dried-off industry suppliers in the winter months. But there are still the town supply runs

[_Shrek_]

Stock trucks deposit shit on our roads every day despite it being illegal, no amount of complaining does any good. As for diesel, how to police it? I watched a truck turn onto SH1 in Warkworth tipping diesel out from the tank and heading north towards the Dome. Rang the police when I got home (literally 2 mins) and they did not want to know. I even write to my MP about it, he agrees it is a problem too...LOL

I hear you Mom as I drive trucks & machines (not stock) but there needs to be a guard put around diesel tanks to stop the cats eyes & or other objects from flicking up & punchering the tanks other times like what you witnessed the dipshit has for got to put the cap on the tank & the stock drivers need to be trained to emty their tanks sooner rather than later, but this again is a minority of drivers

road conditions have got to be the biggest factor & yet the gvt isn't doing enough about this, to me their answer is blame the biker for being 38 & over never mind there's a shit load of us that have been riding for over 35 years & yes there is a minority of us that are giving the rest of us a bad name

[WilDun]

i see you are new, so welcome to KB but i would suggest that you read the hole thread

yeah I'm new - and thanks for the welcome, - haven't got time to read all of it, just so long as you don't think I'm one of the ......posters!!

[dipshit]

Well as I've always said...no matter ho long you've been riding you're still always learning. Next time you're up this way...I'd love you to give me some lessons.

I hope it won't be just a 'my dick is bigger than yours' session..??

[dipshit]

2. No-one has commented that the program, being aimed at the general viewing public (who don't ride), simply confirmed that public's belief that bikers bring it all on themselves.

And imagine the stomach turning hypocrisy the public must feel if they were to hear motorcycle bodies like BRONZ calling for better education of *car drivers* to reduce motorcycle deaths... especially after witnessing idiotic suicidal riding on our roads on almost a daily basis.