TV1 - Close Up @ 7.00pm - Returning riders causing accidents (20 March)

[MSTRS:Me]

And imagine the stomach turning hypocrisy the public must feel if they were to hear motorcycle bodies like BRONZ calling for better education of *car drivers* to reduce motorcycle deaths... especially after witnessing idiotic suicidal riding on our roads on almost a daily basis.

From their perspective as a car driver, that may be the appearance. We all know different, in most of those perceived cases of idiocy, but without any terms of reference for a car driver they can never be educated as to the reality of riding.
It would be nice if it was at least tried at a national level through the media tho...

[Swoop]

it did appear to me it was just an opportunaty to get phil goof ... i mean goff ...on the tele as he is a rating dud... he reverted to a gigling dick in the later part of the segment anyway.

Quite correct. This appears to be another "State Funded Media" attempt to push their beloved Looney Labourite Sect and their equally stupid agenda. The sooner that tvnz is sold off, the better!

Yesterday I rode 100mts with my jacket undone/no gloves and helmet on but not done up.

That was silly! Your hat could have blown off and been damaged...

Well Mr crashalot, maybe you're not as good a rider as you think you are.

So CFWB is "pushing the envelope" of riding? So does this mean that you are pushing the envelope of stupidity?

Pilots don't make mistakes? And fuckwits are allowed to fly too, Paul Holmes has a pilot's licence

Anyone remember the aircraft wreckage he managed to (unfortunately) walk away from?

[dipshit]

it could help the other twenty five percent!

Yes it would help some... but it wouldn't make a big a difference as educating motorcyclists would.

And it needs to be done in that order so the general public can see motorcyclists are trying do something about it before we should expect any respect or (edit) lack of apathy from them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I hope it won't be just a 'my dick is bigger than yours' session..??

Not at all mate...cause that competition is easily won if you're the opposition.

It's just that you're good enough to critique my riding ability without knowing the full story...so I gather you must think you're pretty handy on a motorcycle.

So I could obviously learn a lot from you. Looking forward to it.

[dipshit]

So I could obviously learn a lot from you. Looking forward to it.

You really think highly of yourself don't you.

[Ocean1]

this to me is PC ^^^

so why isn't something being down about "the spills"

how can you drive to the conditions if you can't always see the damm things

So, not just a vacuous wasteland of blithering ill focused one-hit broken records then.

Perfectly correct of course, only an idiot assumes the road surface is an endlessly perfect continuum, but neither can anyone be expected to ride to the worst possible surface conditions all the time. I reckon the trick is to ride with enough in reserve to accommodate any merely very unlikely surface defects. Any more conservative than that and you’d be riding a trials bike and inspecting every corner on foot first.

Interesting wee ad on the telly the other day, landmines magically appearing as a car drives faster. Utter bullshit of course, there’s no such thing as magic. The landmines are nothing to do with speed, they appear as a result of someone else’s action or inaction. I don’t think it’s too much to ask that the relative authorities should be responsible for maintaining roads so that it’s safe to ride at a reasonably consistent pace.

Diesel spills as a primary cause of bike accidents probably ain’t recorded, but based on my personal experience I’d bet it’s a fairly serious problem. Nobody should be expected to be able to deal with landmines, at any speed, and I get tetchy about the knowing looks and “ride to the conditions” brigade whenever the likelihood of diesel as an accident cause is mentioned.

Consistency, be it hot-mix, chip seal or gravel, it’s not a big ask, surely.

[MSTRS:Me]

Yes it would help some... but it wouldn't make a big a difference as educating motorcyclists would.

And it needs to be done in that order so the general public can see motorcyclists are trying do something about it before we should expect any respect or apathy from them.

That, for the most part, IS exactly what we already get from 'them'. That, and scorn for 'our wicked ways'.
As I said, educating car drivers would be great, but since they lack any terms of reference they will not understand. Respect etc comes from understanding...they would have to actually ride to understand. And, mostly, that would be a failure because it can take years of riding to gather the skills and confidence reqd to do some of the things that we are seen to be doing dangerously.

[_Shrek_]

So, not just a vacuous wasteland of blithering ill focused one-hit broken records then.

Perfectly correct of course, only an idiot assumes the road surface is an endlessly perfect continuum, but neither can anyone be expected to ride to the worst possible surface conditions all the time. I reckon the trick is to ride with enough in reserve to accommodate any merely very unlikely surface defects. Any more conservative than that and you’d be riding a trials bike and inspecting every corner on foot first.

Diesel spills as a primary cause of bike accidents probably ain’t recorded, but based on my personal experience I’d bet it’s a fairly serious problem. Nobody should be expected to be able to deal with landmines, at any speed, and I get tetchy about the knowing looks and “ride to the conditions” brigade whenever the likelihood of diesel as an accident cause is mentioned.

Consistency, be it hot-mix, chip seal or gravel, it’s not a big ask, surely.

I have averaged anywhere between 50-65k a year over the last three years the last acc was the only time i've wrecked my bike it had been raining for about an hour & I didn't know it had happened until I came too, speed was between 70 & 80 kph I was riding to the "conditions"

& consistency would be just great

[dipshit]

As I said, educating car drivers would be great, but since they lack any terms of reference they will not understand.

So when they see a group of harley riders coming at them while overtaking on double yellows through a motorway tunnel... or they read in Monday's paper that half the road fatalities over the weekend were motorcyclists who fell off the roads all by themselves...

...you want car drivers to think it's ok and normal?

Well i suppose that's one way to overcome the problem of a bad public image!

[MSTRS:Me]

So when they see a group of harley riders coming at them while overtaking on double yellows through a motorway tunnel... or they read in Monday's paper that half the road fatalities over the weekend were motorcyclists who fell off the roads all by themselves...

...you want car drivers to think it's ok and normal?

Well i suppose that's one way to overcome the problem of a bad public image!

Well, duh!!! I'm beginning to think that you must be on the production team at CloseUp...cherry-picking sound bites and assuming stuff not said.
My point is that cagers seldom know the difference in biker 'behaviour' and just assume that it is all dangerous. And only riding for themselves would illustrate that fact for them.

[dipshit]

Well, duh!!! I'm beginning to think that you must be on the production team at CloseUp...cherry-picking sound bites and assuming stuff not said.
My point is that cagers seldom know the difference in biker 'behaviour' and just assume that it is all dangerous. And only riding for themselves would illustrate that fact for them.

I'm beginning to think you are a committee member of BRONZ... 'motorcyclist's shit doesn't stink. Fucking cage driving sheeple are the problem and need educating.'

[MSTRS:Me]

I'm beginning to think you are a committee member of BRONZ... 'motorcyclist's shit doesn't stink. Fucking cage driving sheeple are the problem and need educating.'

Pathetic. I never even hinted that bikers are always misunderstood little angels who can do no wrong. Nor did I suggest a program of education.
Let's face it, most bikers also drive cars...but most car drivers do not ride bikes. So they can never understand that some manouevres on bikes are not dangerous (like lane splitting, overtaking on a short straight, deliberately moving from one side of the lane to the other, riding onehanded or waving at an oncoming biker, flicking a brake light when being tailgated...that sort of thing).
If there is a way to adequately demonstrate to cagers that we are not all idiots and that what we do is not all dangerous, then by all means let us know.

[MSTRS:Me]

While we are on the generalising thing...has anyone noticed that the vehicles that cross the centre line in corners are always SUVs? Or Subarus? The people that drive those must be complete idiots. Dangerous potential killers, they are. Should be banned, the lot of them.

[Mom]

While we are on the generalising thing...has anyone noticed that the vehicles that cross the centre line in corners are always SUVs? Or Subarus? The people that drive those must be complete idiots. Dangerous potential killers, they are. Should be banned, the lot of them.

All subaru drivers are dickhead wankers Racing around, overtaking in dumb places, you know one nearly ran me off the road a while ago, overtaking me just because I was not going as fast as he thought I should. Very nearly killed me he did!

[MSTRS:Me]

All subaru drivers are dickhead wankers Racing around, overtaking in dumb places, you know one nearly ran me off the road a while ago, overtaking me just because I was not going as fast as he thought I should. Very nearly killed me he did!

Yea. Pricks. The only education they'd understand would be a bullet. Worse than those dickhead motorcyclist types. At least with them they usually only kill themselves. But those fucking Subaru-types, with their bullbars and loud exhausts and rollcages and crumple-zones and airbags and stuff...thinking they are invincible and can do what they like...scaring poor innocent road users...I think I'll write a Letter to the Editor. That'll learn 'em.