Jail rehabilitates and can turn scum into valued members of society.

[Mully]

The Three Strikes idea is appealing and sings a song in my right-wing heart. But gotta wonder - NZ is a pretty peaceful country, yet we imprison more than the Aussies who aren't exactly tolerant. NZ is second only to the USA in the imprisonment stakes.

Team - summats not right.

I agree (I seem to do that a lot to you), something is wrong.

So what can we do with the Kuarikis(sp??) of the country?? I know jail is meant to be about rehabilitation, but can this clown be fixed? At what point do you say "the public has to be protected from this idiot, throw away the key"?

[Indoo]

Like this bloke who flicked his kids ear? : http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/1562476

Why would you hit your own young child in the ear? let alone hard enough that members of the public including a teacher and off-duty cop (whose hardly likely to report anything trivial) would feel it was so excessive as to report it and all for the crime of riding his bike 'dangerously' which probably means a 4 year old wobbling a bit and losing balance. I'm sure if the people who saw it were able to give their opinions to the paper that there would be a much different story described.

"This is how I describe it, hard enough to stop what he was doing, not hard enough to drop him," says Mason."

Yep very restrained that you didn't knock your own son out.

I'm still waiting for all these examples we were promised of decent law abiding parents prosecuted for giving their children a reasonable corrective smack?

[dipshit]

He got a girlfriend..???

That says more about our society than anything. :slap:

[Ocean1]

So what can we do with the Kuarikis(sp??) of the country?? I know jail is meant to be about rehabilitation, but can this clown be fixed? At what point do you say "the public has to be protected from this idiot, throw away the key"?

The Jesuits say, "Give me the child till he's seven and I'll give you the man."

They're right, every seven year old we've failed to teach our rules over the last couple of decades is now a liability.

And no, you can't fix 'em, it's too late.

[Indoo]

HE Flicked the ear - He didnt smack, slap, hit or anything else. At no time did the police accuse him of any of those things.

Ah ok, so the Police have come out publicly and stated that he is only being charged for 'flicking' his son's ear, I can't see that anywhere, I can see it in a self promoting headline aimed to sell stories and manipulate the gullible but I can't see it in any Police statement in that article. You can even take a bit from his own comments, why would you say that you did it hard enough to stop him, not hard enough to 'drop' him if your merely talking about flicking an ear, doesn't really equate.

And just because a off duty police officer saw it means fuck all - he could have been a left wing leaning imbecile.

He could have been as could all the other people who saw and reported it also been left wing 'losers', but by the same measure he could also have been a hard working 'right wing' father who saw some loser giving his kid a hit to the head for the mere crime of being unable to control his bike and thought it was totally over the top and excessive. Personally I would trust the version of independent witnesses's over the person who was charged.

[scumdog]

The Jesuits say, "Give me the child till he's seven and I'll give you the man."

They're right, every seven year old we've failed to teach our rules over the last couple of decades is now a liability.

And no, you can't fix 'em, it's too late.

So, so true.

Like pups you have to start training them the 'proper way' and who's boss right from the get-go.

After the first seven or so years the kid SHOULD be a good type of person.

[SARGE]

You know, a Barret M107 .50cal sniper rifle has a max range of 6.8km and an effective range of 1.8kms (as in complete accuracy). That is a long way for someone to setup away from the courts buildings entrances and "pick off" some of these scum that are not needed to live anymore......

good thing im in Auckland..


Doc can be my spotter...

[Dave Lobster]

You know, a Barret M107 .50cal sniper rifle has a max range of 6.8km and an effective range of 1.8kms (as in complete accuracy). That is a long way for someone to setup away from the courts buildings entrances and "pick off" some of these scum that are not needed to live anymore......

Easier, and cheaper in the long run, to poison the P ingredients as they come into the country, rather than confiscate them.

[ElCoyote]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...saulting-woman

or not:

Bailey Junior Kurariki, the country's youngest convicted killer, is back behind bars charged with assaulting a woman.

Kurariki was arrested in South Auckland yesterday on a charge of assaulting Janie Martin, believed to be his girlfriend.

I hope they put him back in prison - cancel his bail and make him serve the full sentence of his crime that he is bail for as well as this.

Go Rodney - hopefully this would be strike 2. This guy is the kind of shit we need to have back on our streets.

And they want his whanau to be in charge of the prisons, I think not. Judith Collins needs a brain transplant methinks.

[RantyDave]

The anti-child abuse amendment has been misunderstood.

Oh shit no, don't start that.

Dave

[RantyDave]

a off duty officer saw my wife on the street in London and thought the child was being abused by the mother due to the scares and blistering on the baby.

Went to the cop shop came back with 2 social workers

Sadly the baby had Epidermolysis Bullosa and the damage done to the skin by the cop and the social workers put the baby in hospital for a long period.

Jesus man, that sounds fucking awful. I hope some arses got kicked over it?

Shit, nasty. Kid OK now?

Dave

[Genestho]

The Three Strikes idea is appealing and sings a song in my right-wing heart. But gotta wonder - NZ is a pretty peaceful country, yet we imprison more than the Aussies who aren't exactly tolerant. NZ is second only to the USA in the imprisonment stakes.

Team - summats not right.

I don't know dude, maybe it's in direct co-relation that we are one of the world leaders in crime here
(Sorry was going to link the original graph but it's too small)

"Most recidivist offenders begin their offending career between the ages of 10 and 14 years.

Many of them will enter an adult jail between the ages of 15 and 18.

Many of them are Maori.

60% of current inmates were first imprisoned as teenagers.

Once in prison their risk of reconviction and re-imprisonment quadruples.

After prison a teenage offender is released, most to re-offend again. More than half re-offend within 1 year of release, and up to 80-90% re-offend within 5 years." quoted from Matt Robson Dept of Corrections

You can look up all the recidivism, re-conviction and re-imprisonment stats here

IMHO, I believe if you get tough on crime (appropriately - let's not get silly about it), you're going to reduce the rate of recidivism, and therefore the inprisonment rate, and maybe prevent a murder or 3...

[Skyryder]

The swaggering, spitting, and bullying bravado out on the street: standing in the dock, the epitime of sweetness and innocence.

I'd not only throw away the keys but weld up the door to boot.


Skyyrder

[slofox]

The Jesuits say, "Give me the child till he's seven and I'll give you the man."

They're right, every seven year old we've failed to teach our rules over the last couple of decades is now a liability.

And no, you can't fix 'em, it's too late.

A quarter of a century ago I was a teacher of young primary school children - six and seven year olds mostly.

I observed many different behaviour patterns amongst those kids and I identified many that I thought would "come to no good". I was right in every case that I have been able to keep up with.

When they first come to school at five, there is still a small chance of fixing some of the dysfunctional ones - I saw a few changed forever. But by the time they have reached seven, I do believe it is too late.

One I noted at age six was in jail at 17 for rape. Another killed himself on a motorcycle (strangely enough). And so it goes on. To me anyway, it was obvious. If they are fooked at seven, they are fooked for life.

I daresay there are exceptions. But they are few and far between. They grow up in a dysfunctional environment and they stay in that environment. Without an environmental transplant, they will always drift back, just like the original subject of this thread. Some of them will just have to be caged for life to keep the rest of us safe...

[Her_C4]

A quarter of a century ago I was a teacher of young primary school children - six and seven year olds mostly.

I observed many different behaviour patterns amongst those kids and I identified many that I thought would "come to no good". I was right in every case that I have been able to keep up with.

When they first come to school at five, there is still a small chance of fixing some of the dysfunctional ones - I saw a few changed forever. But by the time they have reached seven, I do believe it is too late.

One I noted at age six was in jail at 17 for rape. Another killed himself on a motorcycle (strangely enough). And so it goes on. To me anyway, it was obvious. If they are fooked at seven, they are fooked for life.

I daresay there are exceptions. But they are few and far between. They grow up in a dysfunctional environment and they stay in that environment. Without an environmental transplant, they will always drift back, just like the original subject of this thread. Some of them will just have to be caged for life to keep the rest of us safe...

The old nature / nurture debate eh? Anyone read this book?

http://www.nzine.co.nz/reviews/lashlie_goodmen.html