Why is there a negative attitude on KB towards MCs?

[peasea]

In best 21st century Kiwi manner: "Not MY job".

And here's me thinking you were a big, rufty-tufty biker cop.

My mistake.

[peasea]

P dealing took place.....

How would you know what took place?
Were you there, buying?

[scumdog]

And here's me thinking you were a big, rufty-tufty biker cop.

My mistake.

No.

Your mistake was thinking I got paid enough to do it.

[James Deuce]

There are motorcycle clubs then there are "motorcycle clubs". The reality of "motorcycle clubs" has little to do with bikes, a communal spirit, or special interest in the field of motorcycling. But they are a minority.

The unfortunate byproduct of 40 years of constant propaganda is that "normal" people with an interest in motorcycling don't feel all that keen to create a "mototcycle club", simply because of the negative connotation. Owners groups, owners clubs, racing clubs, E-riders, KB, all of them avoid the club tag with the simple expedient of anagrams or not mentioning the word club in aything except constitutional documents, or an emphatic "Fuck off, KB isn't a club".

I don't care for motorcycle zealotry myself, but I do generally enjoy motorcycle people.

[AD345]

It's an interesting and ongoing discussion.

What makes a group a club?

What makes a club an MC?

What makes an MC an OMG?

I frequent a number of forums around the globe and this kind of discussion is not limited just to KB - the spectrum of views are fairly similar as well.

Some people bang on about 3 piece patches, some about territory rockers, others about 1%r's and the like. There's all sorts of theories and exceptions to every one - particularly in the States. They have LEO MC members shooting HA's in Sturgis, "Christian" bikers beating patch wearers to death and so on. It is more than a little surreal.

A group of us recently founded a local chapter of a US based club and we had (and are still having) some pretty lively discussions about what it means to us to be in the club. For us it boiled down to riding with each other in a common interest while explicitly allowing each of the members the freedom to express themselves. In fact we made that part of the opening statement of our charter:

"To allow members the freedom to associate with like minded individuals in shared enjoyment of motorcycle riding."

It might sound like a load of bollocks to a number of ya's - I'm not going to lose any sleep over that. We get it, and that's enough.

To make a rambling story a little shorter, people tend to react stereotypically to stereotypes - at least initially. I try to take people as they come and encourage others to do the same.

Thats about all you can do really.


Dave
President
Pure Freedom
Local Chapter* of the VMC

*Charter pending

[Conquiztador]

I did not want this to be a P thread.

But clearly part of the dislike on KB towards MC's is the drug trade.

But not all MC's do the selling.

It is like saying: "Bikers all ride to fast, therefore lets get rid of bikers".

[Big Dave]

I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER.

Groucho Marx

[red675]

s'funny, the long way round guys always catch it for being too superficial, too commercial, too amateurish, too middle class (and even too upper class) ... too successful ???

but funnily enough they did all everyone here professes would make the archetypal brother motorcyclist but without patches and neither beat up anybody nor stole anything

well bugger me, they must actually come close to everybody's ideal - shame about the press they get

[TLMAN]

I did not want this to be a P thread.

But clearly part of the dislike on KB towards MC's is the drug trade.

But not all MC's do the selling.

It is like saying: "Bikers all ride to fast, therefore lets get rid of bikers".

Its not a P thread.

Peasea made reference to the lost breed and the red devils. Both are OMC's.

All OMC's without exception are involved in manufacture and distribution of illegal drugs.

Fact.

[Conquiztador]

Its not a P thread.

Peasea made reference to the lost breed and the red devils. Both are OMC's.

All OMC's without exception are involved in manufacture and distribution of illegal drugs.

Fact.

Facts are based on factual information. Not on what you read in papers that have as their main purpose to make money for their owners.

[TLMAN]

Facts are based on factual information. Not on what you read in papers that have as their main purpose to make money for their owners.

My facts are based on my regular dealings with these people.

[Conquiztador]

I do know of MC's in NZ that are a bunch of guys/gals that enjoy the riding and all that comes as part of it. If anyone is on here who is part of such club, please feel free to advertise on this thread!

[FJRider]

I do know of MC's in NZ that are a bunch of guys/gals that enjoy the riding and all that comes as part of it. If anyone is on here who is part of such club, please feel free to advertise on this thread!

I recall a few "gents" from an Invercargill "MC" did... once...

[Conquiztador]

why not hang around your local MC and educate yourself

if you hang around long enough you may become part of the entertainment

U be surprised...

[colsan1]

who gives a shit wether they have patches on or not.
As long as they dont use the wannabee outlaw image to intimidate others then theres no problem.
Its when they take their little fantasy too far and frighten or harass the general public
thats when problems start to arise.
TBH though it does strike me as a little childish. I mean there has to be some
serious insecurity issues going on if you feel you feel the need to dress and look like everyone around you.
still if thats what floats yer boat then go for it