Why is there a negative attitude on KB towards MCs?

[short-circuit]

what about patriots MC ?

Yeah sorry, forgot about the Matriarchs MC

[pritch]

There are gang members that I have known for over 35 years, individually many are fine to deal with, but collectively would have the potential to be problematic.

The "attitude" problems mentioned originated with, and are actively promoted by, the gang members themselves.

Many MC gangs have "club" in the title and are registered as incorporated societies for legal reasons.

How strongly they feel about Japanese bikes was made apparent to me recently when I came across a gang member of my acquaintance walking. There being little chance of meeting a member of the constabulary on that road the following exchange took place,
"Want a ride?"
"No thanks."
"Nobody will know."
"I'd know."

After a brief exchange of pleasantries I rode away and he kept walking.

[YellowDog]

There are gang members that I have known for over 35 years, individually many are fine to deal with, but collectively would have the potential to be problematic.

The "attitude" problems mentioned originated with, and are actively promoted by, the gang members themselves.

Many MC gangs have "club" in the title and are registered as incorporated societies for legal reasons.

How strongly they feel about Japanese bikes was made apparent to me recently when I came across a gang member of my acquaintance walking. There being little chance of meeting a member of the constabulary on that road the following exchange took place,
"Want a ride?"
"No thanks."
"Nobody will know."
"I'd know."

After a brief exchange of pleasantries I rode away and he kept walking.

As someone who has only been in NZ for 3 years, this thread has been a real education. I had no idea and my first experience of an NZ Motorcycle Club was from a middle aged customer with a 40 year old Norton motorcycle (I had no idea whatelse he was up to).

So thanks to those whom have attempted to give both sides of the arguament.

[hospitalfood]

i have an issue with the image of a lot of clubs and gangs.
the "tough guy" thing is not my scene, and most clubs when out riding look just like gangs without patches.

it really saddens me. I don't know how or when motorcycles became "tough" but i think it makes life worse for most of us.
I went to a friends birthday at a local bike club recently and it had this "tough" easyrider kind of image going on. it was a real shame because they are great guys who own a property with a clubroom, just not my cup of tea because of the image they have. cop magnets and intimidating to others.

[Beemer]

I would not class the Mongrel Mob as a motorcycle club - in fact most of them drive clapped out old cars - after all, you can't fit much beer or many ho's on the back of a bike!

Our bike club is an incorporated society but it's certainly not a gang.

[98tls]

There are gang members that I have known for over 35 years, individually many are fine to deal with, but collectively would have the potential to be problematic.

The "attitude" problems mentioned originated with, and are actively promoted by, the gang members themselves.

Many MC gangs have "club" in the title and are registered as incorporated societies for legal reasons.

How strongly they feel about Japanese bikes was made apparent to me recently when I came across a gang member of my acquaintance walking. There being little chance of meeting a member of the constabulary on that road the following exchange took place,
"Want a ride?"
"No thanks."
"Nobody will know."
"I'd know."

After a brief exchange of pleasantries I rode away and he kept walking.

Strange eh,Harleys are not my thing(though wouldnt rule owning out down the track) but to take dislike to that level,nuts.The Harley thing in the states i can understand to a point "im American so will ride American etc" and all the history that goes with it but none of it is relevant here,reeks of wannabies just like the stupid little fuckers getting round with baseball caps on sideways,pants 3 times bigger than what they should have.Might be the thing in the Bronx but looks well stupid in small Kiwi town.

[Tank]

Bikers, who cannot tell the difference between the likes of Black Power / M Mob, Hells angles from HOGS, RATS, and the Thursday night ride deserve everything they get.

People who argue that they are 'clubs' can use the same logic that pedophiles are simply attentive child minders.

[Tony W]

After close to two years on here there is one thing that makes me wonder. Why is it that MC's (not gangs) are looked down on by the KB population?

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Because they look like criminals.

[zzzbang]

M/C members and non M/C members should unite to rid our nation of 'other' scourges and not bicker amongst themselves.

sorry but just because we have a hobby in common doesnt make us some great big family. ive never met you, and i dont know what you believe in/ how you go about your business. rid our nation of scourges? we ride motorcycles, we arent some vigilantes ridding the world of crime and terrorism.

[Winston001]

I don't think we are talking about Auckland Motorcycle Club, Southland Motorcycle Club, Harley Owners Group, Ducati Owners Club or anything like that.

I believe the motorcycle clubs being discussed here are Highway 61, Road Knights, Nomads, Headhunters, Red Devils, Hells Angels and Mormon Few motorcycle clubs...

A post with sanity.

I despair. The discussion has lost focus because we aren't all talking about the same thing.

My reading of the OP question was that it referred to Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs, OMC aka biker gangs. It never occurred to me that Ulysses etc was included. No way.

I've never noticed any prejudice against ordinary bike clubs on KB. Indeed I regard KB itself as a loose sort of club, network, whatever.

As for OMC members, individually they can be decent people. Its only with their mates that trouble becomes a potential hazard. Not all members engage in heavy criminal activity but.....they also accept it as part of the team activities.

Anyway here is a previous good discussion on the topic including a bit of history http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...highlight=gang

[P38]

Not sure I understand your question because I haven't noticed the attitude mentioned.

Generally anyone who belongs to a motorcycle "club" and wears a patch with rockers, belongs to a gang. That is what I interpret when you say MC. The group are contemptuous of the law and other motorcyclists.

Individually, many are likeable, reasonable people to know. The problem arises when they are with their mates and need to be staunch.

Rightly or wrongly wearing a patch is an invitation for intense scrutiny by the police and rival gang members.

If there are gentle middle-class patched MC groups in NZ.......I've never seen them but I could be quite wrong.

A lot of Ulysses Members wear a "Club Badge".
They proudly wear it on he back of their jackets, some with a rocker stating their local club name.
I'd hardly class them as a criminal organisation, yet they are probally NZ's largest Motorcycle Club with close to 4,000 members.

[Fatt Max]

I'll be honest. I haven't seen any of them at the Toastmaster meetings so I surmised that none of them are actually Masters of Ceremony...which is what MC means. Any other acronym is subsequent and is therefore defeated by precedent.

Trying to imagine them all in tuxedos

I honesty thought MC was something to do with the people of Scotland. I mean, who could forget the legendary Scottish rapper, McHammer..?

[Ixion]

Not sure I understand your question because I haven't noticed the attitude mentioned.

Generally anyone who belongs to a motorcycle "club" and wears a patch with rockers, belongs to a gang. That is what I interpret when you say MC. The group are contemptuous of the law and other motorcyclists.

Individually, many are likeable, reasonable people to know. The problem arises when they are with their mates and need to be staunch.

Rightly or wrongly wearing a patch is an invitation for intense scrutiny by the police and rival gang members.

If there are gentle middle-class patched MC groups in NZ.......I've never seen them but I could be quite wrong.

Well, I do not belong to any "clubs" , never have - but I am contemptuous of the law. It's an ass.

And such (few) patched Hell's Angels as I have encountered (and some others whose affiliation I do not remember) have not struck me as contemptuous of other motorcyclists. Or, at any rate not to any greater degree than the majority of Harley riders. I recall them as being , generally, very skilled riders, too, though that was back when they rode Triumphs.

Though I am not so naive as to believe that they were not BadMen who it would be unwise to cross .

Gangs such as the Mongrel Mob and Black Power are quite a different matter . But they are not motorcycle clubs ,and have very little connection with motorcycling. They could equally well be termed Car Clubs. It is unfortunate that the media in their usual imbecilic fashion insist on associating bikes, and bikes, with such losers.

[98tls]

Fwiw way back in the day there was in Ch-ch a number of MM that got around on bikes,passed them a few times on the Summit road,as a footnote it was around the same time they got a contract to from memory clear or dig drainage ditches up there,they managed to fuck that up as when leaving one night left some/a tool on the road which ended up being hit by a guy on a Laverda from memory causing his death.

[scumdog]

Well, I do not belong to any "clubs" , never have - but I am contemptuous of the law. It's an ass.

And such (few) patched Hell's Angels as I have encountered (and some others whose affiliation I do not remember) have not struck me as contemptuous of other motorcyclists. Or, at any rate not to any greater degree than the majority of Harley riders. I recall them as being , generally, very skilled riders, too, though that was back when they rode Triumphs.

Though I am not so naive as to believe that they were not BadMen who it would be unwise to cross .

Gangs such as the Mongrel Mob and Black Power are quite a different matter . But they are not motorcycle clubs ,and have very little connection with motorcycling. They could equally well be termed Car Clubs. It is unfortunate that the media in their usual imbecilic fashion insist on associating bikes, and bikes, with such losers.

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