Wingnut as I understand it unless you are a MNZ licence holder you dont get a vote sorryOriginally Posted by Wingnut
gee wizzz
Wingnut as I understand it unless you are a MNZ licence holder you dont get a vote sorry
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Hardcore Biker
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Hardcore Biker
Hey Grey Beard you forgot one other important email:
So people can get the other side of the story , as there seem to be some doubt about what has actually happened , with road racing this year.
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What you say is correct , everyone who can vote should vote whether you change things or not at least you can say voted. Remember apathy is no excuse , change at the top needs to be sought out , low voter turn out mostly leads to the Status Quo.
So come on guys and gals vote when you get your voters pack. Sorry only MNZ members.
Unexpected Spanish inquisition
X2 on that, everyone who is eligible to vote needs to. This sorry state of affairs needs to be sorted before it gets really bad.
A new one of these is well overdue:
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? ...He's a mile away and you've got his shoes
Forum whore
Lot of folk say we're apathetic. Well, in general Kiwi's may be but I think in this case it's a lot of riders not knowing enough about the peeps they're voting for.
Forum whore
Thats a very fair point and in all fairness I could understand a reluctance for many to ever post on forums, given the ''kangaroo court'' attitudes that can so often rise to the surface. The ''invisible'' person who posted a cacophony of expletives ( and precious little else of substance ) in support of Paul did him no credit. In fairness if my actions were being scrutinised on a forum Id be posting to defend myself, but also be prepared to be bombarded with further questions / arguments.
Aside from issues that have already been either aired or eluded to by others another ''action'' on the part of the incumbent was his appearance at the Ruapuna round of the Nationals to try and drum up support for his own views ( NOT MNZs collective view ) on road race rule changes. That as I understand it is the job of the appointed road race commissioner with RESPECT for appropriate consultation and process. The incumbent commissioner was none too pleased that MNZ road race money ( most likely )paid for another airfare ( and incidentals ) In the end event the CEOs ''mission'' was not a success because 1 ) most road racers didnt agree with him ( and gave short shift at least once I heard of ) and 2 ) canvassing opinion directly during the business part of a race meeting is very often unsuccessful because these guys are engaged in the mental prep and concentration of racing, a huge mental task.
Its also notable that those who disagree with Pauls views ( and the numbers are substanial ) were not afforded the courtesy of being directly consulted about it. And those people are those far more likely to have the experience and expertise to make contribution, in FULL command of all the facts, whys and wherefores and devoid of emotion. And commercial gain....BOLLOCKS, there are far easier and more profitable forms of business, just not as exciting and challenging.
It is a time honoured practice in playing politics that if you want to drum up support to suit your personal agendas you go and appeal to the emotions of the ''unwashed masses'' Just give them enough information to manipulate the result into what you want. With all respect ( and Im sorry to describe it in a condescending tone ) that is how I see the game is being played. Evidence the magazine articles penned by the CEO and reference in one that a counter view ( essentially mine ) was BS. The subject matter is serious and the stakes are about more than peanuts.
I make note that Paul attended and paid for an Ohlins road race seminar when Ohlins tech Peter Goddard visted NZ earlier this year. Paul was afforded the courtesy of an invite because of his position and also because I felt he needed to be bought up to date with current day issues of tyre and chassis / suspension interaction. No need to repeat all the tech mumbo jumbo here because there are many posts on that subject ( Mishy being quite descriptive and accurate on many occassions )
There has quite frankly been contempt for proper democratic process and a culture of confrontation with unpaid ''subordinates'' has prevailed. At least two have walked, not entirely for that reason but inarguably they have had a gutsful of the attitude from above. FACT. More may well follow and like I have said there are good people within MNZ. The situation is just not good enough.
Pauls motives are inarguably the same as anyone else, to grow road racing. But the recent developments as above dont exactly inspire any confidence / faith.
Hardcore Biker
Rob ,
You are 100% correct he (CEO) did go to Christchurch and try and drum up support for his views but failed. But the worse thing was he didn't have the balls to do it when our commissioner was actually there. Paul S had to be at woodville for the MX and his employer.
Another little thing he did was try and squash the series website , by not approving funding , then only did after pressure.
Oh yes then there is the $10,000 we (the sport) didn't get, because they couldn't afford it yet he gets a sum believed to be 10 times that amount for himself and they employed a new staff member in the office and also bought a carpark this year!!.
Come on folks , something has to be done
Hardcore Biker
Oh just remembered
Want to vote , but don't have a licence then become an associate member of MNZ, yes there is such a thing it will cost you $60 (i think). Go to the MNZ website and download licence application and it is there. You do have to belong to a affiliated club though.
Forum whore
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/ceo_...ter_pp_19.aspxOh just remembered
Want to vote , but don't have a licence then become an associate member of MNZ, yes there is such a thing it will cost you $60 (i think). Go to the MNZ website and download licence application and it is there. You do have to belong to a affiliated club though.
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/ceo_...ter_PP_17.aspx
Scooter boy
Well is it interesting that nominations closed on Mar 31 and MNZ have still not announced who has put their hand up.
The rummour mill tells me Jim Tuckerman is standing against Sandra Perry for President. There is a man that gets the job done.
Also I am told Kevin Goddard (Tim McArthur's main man) is standing for On-Road South Island and there are a couple standing for Off-Road North Is, one I understanding is Manuwatu Orion club's Carmen Davidson.
Hopefully they will post on this site, who they are and why they are standing.
Registered User
Yes Jim Tuckerman is indeed standing against Sandra and as pointed out,He gets the job done and when the hard decisions need too be taken he is capable of dealing with them.Something that may come back to haunt him however if the incumbent is not seen to be doing their job then it must be time for change
tripple dip
Fuck, you have to buy a carpark in Huntly ? (my home town if I had to own up to having one ....)Rob ,
You are 100% correct he (CEO) did go to Christchurch and try and drum up support for his views but failed. But the worse thing was he didn't have the balls to do it when our commissioner was actually there. Paul S had to be at woodville for the MX and his employer.
Another little thing he did was try and squash the series website , by not approving funding , then only did after pressure.
Oh yes then there is the $10,000 we (the sport) didn't get, because they couldn't afford it yet he gets a sum believed to be 10 times that amount for himself and they employed a new staff member in the office and also bought a carpark this year!!.
Come on folks , something has to be done
"You never understood that it ain't no good, you shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you" - Bob Dylan
Scooter boy
Very good point wharfy.
MNZ are happily spending your money, so the Office staff don't have to walk too far from their Company Cars.
See how easily a thread can get off subject.
I intend having a beer with Jim Tuckerman later this week, I will get him to post his thoughts about the Election.
Forum whore
Give him a hug from me.
The issues here are not personal ones at all. Most MNZ stewards with a couple of exceptions are bloody top blokes, inclding the CEO, & several i would class as friends.
I would be concerned if any of the criticisim levelled at the organisation was taken personally.
Try Hard Wanna Be
But but but - I am a MNZ License holder - Just because I have the license and attend a few meeting doesn't instantly inform me of whos who in the NZ racing world.
Please sir please...........
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