Veitch sentenced

[ital916]

Lest we forget that the ex girlfriend was happy to take a lump sum off of him...

He has already made media apology for what he did...how many apologies are required.

I think the media have been pretty bad myself...yes he was wrong but did he deserve to be plastered all over the media for months on end...so in that respect he was made a victim by the media.

What he did was wrong but in a moment of madness...he now has a chance....

Spot on mate.

I still reckon those who cry for blood are finding an outlet for themselves rather thank considering that he has had a lot of punishment already. Give the man a break people.

[James Deuce]

I have an idea. We could save a shitload of money on the judicial system and introduce trial by media!

It's faultless... we the public know it all anyway right? And imagine the savings if we don't need to keep paying all those namby pambies that interpret the law, critically examine evidence etc.

Right - so let's start with everything the media have reported on Veitch and his ex...

None of that matters.

He kicked her in the back and crippled her.

Why people make excuses for that is beyond me.

[Grahameeboy]

If I'd crippled someone I'd go to jail. I don't have Graham Henry to write me a character reference.

The coward crippled a woman by kicking her when she lay on the floor, essentially because she wound him up.

If did it, you'd all be screaming for me to be strung up. If a gang member from Cannon's Creek did it, you'd all be screaming for him to be strung up.

Someone involved in sport in NZ, either player or presenter, obvuously leads a charmed life.

He is a bad person. He crippled someone. He made her life immeasurably and pointlessly more difficult than it needed to be. There's no witch hunt needed, no over analysis needed. Tony Veitch crippled someone because she was mouthy and wouldn't do what he wanted.

Fact.

I didn't know she was a permanent cripple?

Okay, if you did it I would say the same as I have for Mr V...if a known gang member did it...he would be classed as a bad person and this was probably not the first time he has done this...there is a difference.

You can not deem a person "bad" just because of one out of character mistake...

[Grahameeboy]

None of that matters.

He kicked her in the back and crippled her.

Why people make excuses for that is beyond me.

We are not condoning what he did...neither are we making excuses...we are just understanding.

[Grahameeboy]

Spot on mate.

I still reckon those who cry for blood are finding an outlet for themselves rather thank considering that he has had a lot of punishment already. Give the man a break people.

Exactly...sometimes it is more about the selfish and often over righteous attitude of those condeming him...

[ManDownUnder]

None of that matters.

No mate - it all matters. Everything needs to be examined in context which is why a public forum with participants - each with our own inexpert opinions, incomplete sets of facts and personal agendas - is not the place to resolve this stuff.

Causality is everything. Why else would temporary insanity be a defence? How many battered women have done something extreme to their abusers and been acquitted?

[ital916]

None of that matters.

He kicked her in the back and crippled her.

Why people make excuses for that is beyond me.

She is not crippled, some of my friends have broken their backs, sounds scary but a broken back can vary froma small hairline fracture to actual paralysis. In her case it was not bad, just clearing that up.

Again I agree with MDU, causality is very important. It is how premeditation, crimes of passion etc end up being judged seperately and is unfortunately the catch of a democratic justic system. Every incident is different and needs to be judged so.

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

[Hitcher]

Interesting developments this morning, with Dame Susan Devoy and Dave Curry both saying that they had no idea that the "references" they provided Veitch would be used in Court. Apparently Susan Devoy's reference was something to do with a passport application.

I'm most interested in how this plays out...

[Tank]

If I'd crippled someone I'd go to jail. I don't have Graham Henry to write me a character reference.

Im shocked that some of those people gave references for him given what the trail was about.

And at the end of the day who gives a fuck what Henery things about the guy - it should have no weight at all.

edit - just read Hitchers post. Sadly I think its too late for anything to play out other than bad press (who are probably going to be to scared to say anything)

[Mully]

I have an idea. We could save a shitload of money on the judicial system and introduce trial by media!

Nah, mate. Trial by KB would be quicker. It's probably John Key's fault anyway.

Interesting developments this morning, with Dame Susan Devoy and Dave Curry both saying that they had no idea that the "references" they provided Veitch would be used in Court. Apparently Susan Devoy's reference was something to do with a passport application.

I'm most interested in how this plays out...

Mmmm, I read that too. Dame Susan wanted him to get his passport back for a work opportunity, saying he deserved to keep working.

Although she didn't say who asked her for the reference... Will certainly be following this piece of information.

[Hitcher]

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

I don't think that anybody is assuming that. But the issue here isn't Veitch's "snapping point". It's that he kicked a woman who was down sufficient to break her back. That's the action that people find hard to forgive. That combined with his opinion that he is also a victim of that act on his part.

Twat.

[Grahameeboy]

I don't think that anybody is assuming that. But the issue here isn't Veitch's "snapping point". It's that he kicked a woman who was down sufficient to break her back. That's the action that people find hard to forgive. That combined with his opinion that he is also a victim of that act on his part.

Twat.

Yes he was a twat...snapping point was his actions...he broke a vertebrae...but different to breaking a back which sounds more serious.

It is ooften easy for people to not forgive than to understand...that requires grace which is sadly lacking these days...

[Tank]

Then there were his comments on Close Up:

Meanwhile, on TV ONE's Close Up, Veitch was asked about speculation that his legal team had "some dirt on her" that led to the plea bargain.

Veitch replied: "I did some investigating ... I went and I dug and I went through records and I went through discovery and do you know what? I had a good time and I found stuff. So you are talking about dirt, (I am talking about) evidence."

Nice bloke - hope he chokes on a fishbone.

[Hitcher]

It is ooften easy for people to not forgive than to understand...that requires grace which is sadly lacking these days...

Surely forgiveness is something that is deserved rather than something that should be expected?

Your bible requires repentence before forgiveness can be granted.

[enigma51]

She most likely didnt cook him his food like she was suppose too.
So he kicked her a bit. He was suppose to be hit her legs but she fell and he connected her back.


The funniest thing about this if this was joe public no one would have even know about this. Whats even funnier is that 99% of people dont even have half the facts but yet they make out like they do.


He pleaded guilty got the same sentence as joe public would .... now lets move on.

The people who got a light sentence is those fuckers that killed the kids a few months ago The Kauie twin and neo glacie (I dont know how to spell it)