Veitch sentenced

[MsKABC]

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

Nobody ever, EVER plays a part in having their partner kick them in the back while they lie on the ground. Maybe she did provoke him to anger, rage... whatever, but HE made the choice to kick her in the back. Nobody else.

[Skyryder]

Yes he was a twat...snapping point was his actions...he broke a vertebrae...but different to breaking a back which sounds more serious.

It is ooften easy for people to not forgive than to understand...that requires grace which is sadly lacking these days...

What's there to understand.............back, vertebrae not any difference other than the back is the whole of the spine that is made up of indavidual vertebrae.



Skyryder

[vifferman]

I have no opinion to offer on the court case, as it's none of my business, and it doesn't affect me, and I don't have all the facts, and I don't know the people involved.

What I will say is how crazy it is that someone can be so important, a celebrity, just because lots of people see their face on the idiot box. So fucking what? What does this have to do with worth as a person, importance, or anything else? If the guy makes $500k a year going "Blah blah blah" on TV and radio, I think that's ridiculous, but I also think it makes not an iota of difference to how newsworthy what he does is, nor to what business it is to anyone else. He's hardly in a position of authority. He's just a minor 'celebrity' - famous for being "famous in Noo Zilund".
Big whoop.

Personally, just like with most sports commentators, I can't stand seeing him on the box. Even before he was naughty I used to change channels. Do the same thing with that other dork, John Campbell, and that weird robot/alien who reads the TV3 news (Alistair something-or-other?)

I'd imagine none of you people contributing to this thread would be interested either, if it were not for Veitch's 'fame' (and now apparent 'infamy').

[MsKABC]

What's there to understand.............back, vertebrae not any difference other than the back is the whole of the spine that is made up of indavidual vertebrae.



Skyryder

And the difference between cracking her vertebrae and breaking her back was really only down to his good luck. It's not like he thought "Right, I'll give her a kick, just enough to crack a vertebrae, but not break her back".

[Hitcher]

She most likely didnt cook him his food like she was suppose too.
So he kicked her a bit. He was suppose to be hit her legs but she fell and he connected her back.

So that makes it all right? And you know this, how? (see your comments below)

The funniest thing about this if this was joe public no one would have even know about this. Whats even funnier is that 99% of people dont even have half the facts but yet they make out like they do.

You have got an odd idea of what's "funny". I think that any domestic violence case that involved a broken back would have been covered by the media.

Most people who have posted about this do know the facts. They read newspapers.

[Tank]

It is ooften easy for people to not forgive than to understand...that requires grace which is sadly lacking these days...

I would say that forgiving isnt sadly lacking - there are always people out there willing to forgive regardless of how terrible the crime.

Perhaps a little less forgiveness and a little more accountability for actions would make the world a better place.

[James Deuce]

She is not crippled, some of my friends have broken their backs, sounds scary but a broken back can vary froma small hairline fracture to actual paralysis. In her case it was not bad, just clearing that up.

Again I agree with MDU, causality is very important. It is how premeditation, crimes of passion etc end up being judged seperately and is unfortunately the catch of a democratic justic system. Every incident is different and needs to be judged so.

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

She is. Her mobility is dictated by wheelchairs and crutches. I call that crippled.

You'll probably claim that she's making it up.

I've broken vertebrae in my neck and my back and while I'm moblie and can do most stuff OK, it's nowhere near the level of what I was capable of before the accident, due to a myriad of other central nervous systems issues that dictate everything from body temperature to physical strength and mental state. My right hand feels like a it's had a permamnent "dead leg" whilst also being on fire from time to time. Do not make light of spinal injury. While you are young you can cope really well with the side effects. As you get older they become more debilitating whether you work on it or not.

No "domestic" violence is acceptable. Winding someone up is not an excuse to hit someone, let alone kick them.

There's nothing to understand. He's a violent loser with a bad temper.

The subtle undertones of acceptable violence toward women is starting to make me a little ill.

[Skyryder]

The subtle undertones of acceptable violence toward women is starting to make me a little ill.

Yes. I'm picking this up too. But first comes the statements that what Veitch did was wrong and then come the excuses. But then again is this not what Veitch is doing too?


Skyryder

[Mully]

She is. Her mobility is dictated by wheelchairs and crutches. I call that crippled.

Sorry, point of clarification. Is she still in a wheelchair and/or crutches? My understanding is that she had been (and told everyone at Vodafone that she fell off a horse or something) but wasn't now?

Does anyone actually know?

[Hitcher]

Here's some comment from a person whose opinions I respect.

http://publicaddress.net/default,5822.sm#post5822

[Horse]

Sorry, point of clarification. Is she still in a wheelchair and/or crutches? My understanding is that she had been (and told everyone at Vodafone that she fell off a horse or something) but wasn't now?

Does anyone actually know?

[sarcasm]If only there was some sort of global information network where you could look this stuff up.....[/sarcasm]

From Stuff: The victim impact statement presented to the court by Kristin Dunne-Powell.

A relevant excerpt:

My physical injuries included bruising and the fracture of my spine in two places. I experienced intense pain at the time of the assault and endured extreme discomfort for months afterward. It was necessary to use a wheelchair and crutches for several weeks so I could manage the discomfort and remain somewhat mobile.

The damage to my back has resulted in muscle atrophy and loss that has caused a physical disfigurement ... so apparent that, when I got married in 2007, it was necessary for the dressmaker to pad out my dress. The muscle loss also resulted in nerve damage which affected my central nervous system, balance and co-ordination.

[James Deuce]

Sorry, point of clarification. Is she still in a wheelchair and/or crutches? My understanding is that she had been (and told everyone at Vodafone that she fell off a horse or something) but wasn't now?

Does anyone actually know?

I read the excerpt from the victim impact statement in the paper this morning as current. My mistake. Horse has corrected it above. That is still significant long term damage. No one deserves permanent injury.

[Mully]

[sarcasm]If only there was some sort of global information network where you could look this stuff up.....[/sarcasm]

If only. What would they call such a world-wide web of information?

That's what I thought - but people here kept saying she is in a wheelchair.

BTW, does anyone know how you use a wheelchair and crutches?? Seems a bit unstable to me.

I read the excerpt from the victim impact statement in the paper this morning as current. My mistake. Horse has corrected it above. That is still significant long term damage. No one deserves permamnent injury.

Agreed entirely - just wanted some clarification.

[Grahameeboy]

Surely forgiveness is something that is deserved rather than something that should be expected?

Your bible requires repentence before forgiveness can be granted.

Mmmm....don't agree...he healed sinners...everyone deserves forgiveness but that's me...doesn't mean you forget...

[Grahameeboy]

What's there to understand.............back, vertebrae not any difference other than the back is the whole of the spine that is made up of indavidual vertebrae.



Skyryder

33 bones actually..........