What's this I spy?

[GSVR]

So if i wanted to enter the nats as a privateer this year i have to make a decision then aye !
whether to upgrade my suspension and headers and loom and and and awww fuck it i'm back to needing two fucking bikes lol, one for club racing and one for the nationals
Flag the privateers cup then, chances of me winnin anything is next to farrrk all, so i'll just be making my bike go as fast as i can make it go, while trying hard to keep rubber side down ! So that will prolly include suspension, exhaust, and whatever else i feel like changing !
If i manage to get my times down to the point where i wont be lapped in the nats i might just do that too !

The class that would suit you fine is Red Fentons proposed naked bike class. It has suspension mods but sounds like a great class for anyone with a naked bike.

If you don't do any other major meeting go and do the Sound of Thunder. Just ask a few people who have done it. They all rave about it.

[sinfull]

The class that would suit you fine is Red proposed naked bike class. It has suspension mods but sounds like a great class for anyone with a naked bike.

If you don't do any other major meeting go and do the Sound of Thunder. Just ask a few people who have done it. They all rave about it.

Sound of thunder would have been great and i'm dissapointed i couldn't get down there this year but its one meeting lol If the Idea of Reds for the nakeds class dont go ahead soon, i may as well buy a harley !
Mate, i've already made the decision to trade the 1050 into an F2 bike and chase the guys i've been pitting against before they get to far ahead of me !
It's sitting here in full road trim now, couple of minor touches and i'm off to visit the bike shops to see what deal i can come out with !

[sidecar bob]

This whole tyre wear/suspension argument has got me fucked.
The LCR sidecar guys with their 8 grands worth of trick shit that they are forever pissing around with use aprox one rear tyre per race.
We've got about ten bucks worth of old crap, brand name i cant even remember that are about 19 years old. We never touch them & our rear tyres last two meetings, and we kick their arses.
Whats up with that?

[Robert Taylor]

Well its clear from Go Slowers incessant ramblings that if you know anything about suspension you should pretty much be burnt at the stake. How dare a handful of people lift the game in suspension understanding over the last few years! How dare these people help us keep pace with technology developments happening in the rest of the first world!
What a dull grey world it would be if everything was dumbed down.
If the proposed suspension ruling in all its stupidity goes through it will get kind of interesting at the Teretonga round of the Nationals. But then I dont recall those that support such a rule frequenting that circuit and being familiar with the severe tyre degradation issue it ALWAYS throws up. It then doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that high quality aftermarket shocks are ( aside from the performance and stability of performance benefits ) also designed to be recalibrated a whole lot quicker than oem units.
Perhaps in Go Slowers boring little world all the circuits should be made exactly the same as well, because the different challenges they throw up are just too hard and too unfair.

[Ivan]

Its a great Idea to have so close to standered so you can try it out race on the cheap and say next year I wanna go into SBK or 600 whatever and then spend the money but I agree Valving should be alowed rather than just springs.

[Robert Taylor]

This whole tyre wear/suspension argument has got me fucked.
The LCR sidecar guys with their 8 grands worth of trick shit that they are forever pissing around with use aprox one rear tyre per race.
We've got about ten bucks worth of old crap, brand name i cant even remember that are about 19 years old. We never touch them & our rear tyres last two meetings, and we kick their arses.
Whats up with that?

Perhaps you are a better sidecar racer and if you were on their outfit youd lap faster than them? The biological element can vary greatly.
And compared to motorcycles sidecars have rather a lot more surface contact area to perform the duty.

[sidecar bob]

Perhaps you are a better sidecar racer and if you were on their outfit youd lap faster than them? The biological element can vary greatly.
And compared to motorcycles sidecars have rather a lot more surface contact area to perform the duty.

I am aware, as are all other sidecar competitors, that if my rider was punting the latest european weapon he would be untouchable. Thats why we avoid them.

[Tony.OK]

They look to be well thought out rules, but as for running class together with slicks vs road race tyres is questionable.

A lot of lapping would be done with the inevitable extra hazard element. Safety should NEVER be compromised.
The Superbike races at Paeroa were an extreme example of a backmarker problem. I make no apology to the rider involved, there was a ''streetfighter'' bike in the Superbike field that on at least one occassion when he was lapped was a clear danger to the riders that first lapped him. I watched this and it was very lucky there wasnt an incident that could have bought down Craig and / or Gareth. When there is a big discrepancy between speed and skill we have major safety issues.

These rules seem perfect for this class. Wouldn't change anything here.

Edit: Maybe the Dot tyres for Slicks. Market to get tyres off top SBK riders and they wear better than stuff with tread.

Whats the problem with road race tyres? I've had no probs using them so far, and I'm not mid-back of the pack. Same compounds with tread aren't they?

As for lapping well thats where organisers will have to start using the 115% rule.................shit at PMCC rnd 3 four of us were doing 1:35's or better and there was a dude doin 2:00 laps, I for one got stuck not knowing which way he was gonna go...............its all about realising where you should be not where you want to be.

I'm all set to get my red numbers, I wish I hadn't just sold some parts

[GSVR]

Whats the problem with road race tyres? I've had no probs using them so far, and I'm not mid-back of the pack. Same compounds with tread aren't they?

As for lapping well thats where organisers will have to start using the 115% rule.................shit at PMCC rnd 3 four of us were doing 1:35's or better and there was a dude doin 2:00 laps, I for one got stuck not knowing which way he was gonna go...............its all about realising where you should be not where you want to be.

I'm all set to get my red numbers, I wish I hadn't just sold some parts

Nothing wrong with DOT approved tyres. They have got alot better for the wear from the groove edges now they are laying the grooves almost parallel to the rotation of the tyre. The older patterns used to scollop out where as a slick has no edges to wear from. I was also looking at it from the aspect of low budget riders purchasing slightly used slicks from the elite superbike riders that fit new rubber often.

The lapping of slower bikes is IMO one of the biggest safety issues especailly when theres a group of lead riders. Can't really do much about it club racing with cross entering. Its up to the passing riders to have regard for others safety.

Youll have a good chance of doing well without the huge costs of chasing more power.

[Grey Beard]

Great ideas people, but the question I would ask is:

Are you just letting off steam here on this site or is all these comments being forwarded to the people who have asked for input prior to making changes.

What makes you sure that MNZ are monitoring what is being said.
We know the CEO is, because he has had goes at posters in the past, but whether anyone else is, is questionable

How many of you have passed your thoughts onto MNZ, because if you don't, they will do what they think, rather than what you want.

So have your say on here, but also send your thoughts to vicky@mnz.co.nz so she can forward them to the rules committee.

The same applies to VOTING, If you don't Vote in the MNZ Elections, don't complain later

[JayRacer37]

Indeed, springs are about position, DAMPING IS ABOUT CONTROLLING RATE OF CHANGE OF POSITION. These rule proposals show a lack of understanding on that count. For example if I was a 75kg rider on a GSXR600 or R6 Id be noticing straight away that theres an acceleartion squat issue off especially the tightest turns. An uninformed approach would say ''fit a firmer spring'' When in fact for the same $300 that the spring would cost you a few simple internal valving tricks would in fact yield a much better result. FACT. Plus the bike will ride bumps better because it wont be oversprung.
AND, how are they going to police it?

Yup, I'm a phat phuk, so I guess I can't be a "privateer"...then i'm gunna have to be a factory rider!!!

I thought we were all 'privateers' in NZ?

[Maido]

Yup, I'm a phat phuk, so I guess I can't be a "privateer"...then i'm gunna have to be a factory rider!!!

I thought we were all 'privateers' in NZ?

Lols, I was talking to BB earlier today, He was wondering who the factory teams were in the 600 class, I tend to agree. I am by no means a factory rider, but I would go in the "factory" class as I like playing with shiny stuff on my bike.

[GSVR]

Yup, I'm a phat phuk, so I guess I can't be a "privateer"...then i'm gunna have to be a factory rider!!!

I thought we were all 'privateers' in NZ?

Yeap I told you you where looking bigger a year or so ago! Lay off the pies! So hows the injuries are you almost ready to rock and roll again?

Perhaps a compromise to this situation would be to let phat phuckers and skinny shits get there shocks revalved and then at the first round of the nationals have them marked in a way (paint seal etc) that no further fiddling could be done without application to MNZ.

Heard a few opinions at the CD trackday today. Some for some against the proposed rules.

[The Chow]

Ok

What is being proposed is only what riders have been bleating about all season. We can't go racing because etc etc etc.

Now the way I see it , it could have something like:

Class 1:
Superbikes: As Is
Superstock: Standard everything , except suspension which would be the same as with Superbikes. Treaded DOT tyres . No distributor backed or assisted bikes including no defferred payment schemes through dealers). Capacity same as superbikes.

Class 2:
600SP: No distributor assisted/backed bikes (this includes deferred payment schemes through dealers etc).

Class 3:
650 Pro-Twin As is

Class 4:
Formula 3:
As is except open it to 250 Grand Prix Machines. Times are now a lot closer than previous. (personally I would ride a 250GP any time rather than 4 stroke converted road bike).

Class 5:
250 Pro-Twin Run along the same lines as 650 Pro-Twin but with more restrictions. Open only to 250 4 stroke 250 Twins , like ZXR250 and Hysosung 250.

Class 6:
Ultralightweight:
125cc Single Cylinder 2 Strokes
250cc Single Cylinder 4 Strokes

Class 7:
Sidecars - As is.

[The Chow]

Hey Jay

I hear your dad has left Darbi's? And your bike and gear is being sold? sounds a good deal with all the stuff that goes with it.