Running from cops

[Lou Girardin]

I had a similar thing happen a few years back. I was in my cage and got stopped on Penrose Rd. Plod accused be of an unsafe lane change back on the Northwest!
He also added a smorgasboard of other offences I'd apparently committed and wrote a ticket for 130 k's even though he said he'd never got close enough for a speed check.
So I got a bit creative with a letter, talking about entrapment and threats to charge me with careless or dangerous. (all true)
And I'll be damned if they didn't waive it!
This was before revenue became all important though.

[justsomeguy]

I'd be interested to hear how much some people have paid out in speeding fines in recent years and how many hours that would have paid for at track days... where there ain't no limit, cops or demerit points.

Oh just piss off will you, no need to rub it in

[Toast]

I'd be interested to hear how much some people have paid out in speeding fines in recent years and how many hours that would have paid for at track days... where there ain't no limit, cops or demerit points.

it's always nice having that flash of hindsight after getting a big ticket

[scumdog]

I had a similar thing happen a few years back. I was in my cage and got stopped on Penrose Rd. Plod accused be of an unsafe lane change back on the Northwest!
He also added a smorgasboard of other offences I'd apparently committed and wrote a ticket for 130 k's even though he said he'd never got close enough for a speed check.
So I got a bit creative with a letter, talking about entrapment and threats to charge me with careless or dangerous. (all true)
And I'll be damned if they didn't waive it!
This was before revenue became all important though.

Wouldn't work with me sonny - any charges I laid would be 100% true AND of real substance.
Bullshit stuff from either side does not enhance either party or their integrity.

[scumdog]

i agree, i would pull over for normal things, but if i am caught doing 200km/h, there is no way i will be stopping

Except a logging truck, 'cheese-cutter' barrier etc, - they would stop you no sweat.

[DingDong]

God damn some mofo ratted me out to the coppers....mate that HP that got me was already cutting me off in my lane b4 i seen him, its like he thought i was going to run or sumin....then he broke the back of my bike that had been painted for 3 days

Sounds like you've ratted yourself out...

[cowpoos]

shit scumdog....leave ya job at your job....




and for the record I bet you've been over 150 on one of your bikes?...be honest!

[DingDong]

...YOU GOTTA PICK YOUR BATTLES WHEN IT COMES TO RUNNERS, DONT JUST DO EM FOR FUN ...

WINJA the wize

...FUCKEN VROOM VROOM FUCK THE PIGS

oh..I take that back...

[Rapt]

I wonder if an off duty cop on a quick bike would do a runner if he'd been seriously misbehaving outside of his local area

Now here's showin my age...15 yrs ago, or therabouts, an off duty traffic cop on his Honda VF1000F2 was clocked at over 100kph in Cambridge. He'd just entered the 50kph zone & spotted the black & white with a radar...Dickhead did a runner, little old lady in a mini going through a give way got killed & her car cut in half. Traffic cop got 5 yrs in arse stretch city...dumb fuck. And this shithead was one of the top ticket writers in Tokoroa at the time...Me, I'd stop, my arse was designed for one thing only!!

[Dafe]

If they could positively identify you, they could arrest you and charge you for Failing to Stop. Alternatively, if they had obtained your rego, the registered owner could be given 14 days to give the name, address etc of the rider at the time of the Failing to Stop ... and then charge you. (Failing to Stop is a court appearance, not just a ticket.)

If the motorcyclist says it wasn't him the day prior. You really don't have a leg to stand on.

If you were lucky enough to take the numberplate and later arrive at the house where the vehicle is. If the rider denies having ridden the bike and advises he doesn't know who took it. The most you can do is impound the vehicle for 28 days.

There can be no monetary fine associated to the failure to provide a name.

Interestingly enough, this scenario just happened in Wellington between Police and a Cage driver. The cage drivers lawyer quickly proved how little the Police could do without Identifying the suspect on the spot and at the scene.

Most Important: The Rider must simply maintain they were not on the vehicle at the time. Also, that everyone has access to it so it could have been anyone of your mates.

[Da Bird]

If the motorcyclist says it wasn't him the day prior. You really don't have a leg to stand on.

If you were lucky enough to take the numberplate and later arrive at the house where the vehicle is. If the rider denies having ridden the bike and advises he doesn't know who took it. The most you can do is impound the vehicle for 28 days. WRONG.

There can be no monetary fine associated to the failure to provide a name.
WRONG.

Interestingly enough, this scenario just happened in Wellington between Police and a Cage driver. The cage drivers lawyer quickly proved how little the Police could do without Identifying the suspect on the spot and at the scene.

Most Important: The Rider must simply maintain they were not on the vehicle at the time. Also, that everyone has access to it so it could have been anyone of your mates.

I'm quite happy to charge the registered owner for Failing to Provide Drivers Details if I get some bullshit as you describe above - let them tell the judge how many mates had the keys at that particular time. I recently got a boy racer convicted after he spent 30 seconds doing burnouts and didn't give details of the driver. He got fined $500 AND disqualified for 6 months just for not coughing up (was probably him anyway).

Also, you can only impound a vehicle from a Failing to Stop for 7 days.

[Dafe]

I'm quite happy to charge the registered owner for Failing to Provide Drivers Details if I get some bullshit as you describe above - let them tell the judge how many mates had the keys at that particular time. I recently got a boy racer convicted after he spent 30 seconds doing burnouts and didn't give details of the driver. He got fined $500 AND disqualified for 6 months just for not coughing up (was probably him anyway).

Also, you can only impound a vehicle from a Failing to Stop for 7 days.

Don't get me wrong Bykey cop. I have nothing against Police. I've never done a runner either. But I think the Police are now beginning to take tactics the way the Public now have to.

In the situation I spoke of, A guy I know who drives a half million dollar car, literally leaves his keys in this car.
He was dragging an Evo 8 down the motorway, blowing away the Evo 8 and getting chased by a mufti, the mufti pulled over the Evo 8 as my mate got away.

Problem was, this guys car came out in the Performance Car mag the next day and one of the guys in the Mufti Persuit recognised it.
So next day, cops on the doorstep - 7 of them!

These cops spent the next 1 hour looking at his car.
There only seemed to be one cop who was being a real prick, the rest were quite good guys. Anyway, my mate insisted he hadn't driven it and it could have been anyone of his mates, because the keys are always in the car, only thing is, you need to know all the security codes to get into his fortress in the first place. All his mates knowing his codes.

Now, these cops knew this was the car, no doubt. It's only one of two in the world.

So the cops threatened him with a 1400 dollar fine to provide the persons name that was driving it. Mate then rang his lawyer who told the Police Officer it'll be a cold day in hell that the Police will see 14 cents from his client.

So the Police did all they could, which was a 28 day impounding of the car. Nothing more could be done by the Police.
It doesn't take much to have a lawyer turn away the fines, just as it didn't three months ago.

I don't think we will see the Boy Racer Policy in place for much longer either.
I see it is now undergoing legal review due to misuse by the Police.
The Police first stating they needed it to remove fast driving young guys in their spec'ed up cars, before they killed someone. This sounds very logical.

However, now due to instant licence removal for traction loss, judged by screeching wheels. It has been proven that screeching is not necessarily indicating a traction loss. Buy your car a set of Kuhmo tyres sometime and listen to them screech everywhere you go.

BTW, The Mercedes Buisnessman that lost his licence and car instantly for traction loss a few weeks ago. The Police maintained he had disabled the traction control to make the car skid, It was even reported on the radio that the guy had disabled his traction control to make this happen, I heard it.
What a crock of shit! My mate I've discussed at the start of this thread is the Merc drivers mate.

Just to clear this bullshit up, and teach you cops a thing or two about traction control.
Traction control will not stop you loosing traction at all.
When you plant foot in these 400KW+ cars, even with Traction Control engaged, the wheels will screech and possibly spin.
When the traction control detects the loss of traction, it simply forces the vehicles revs to lower until traction is regained. Thats it!
No disabling of the traction control feature required. The car can always spin up or screech even with the traction control feature engaged.

Unfortunately, with the way the Police are going today and with such rediculous fines being enforced while the real (non-revenue gathering) criminal issues pass us by. It is now a very realistic option to consider running. I know I'll do it if the circumstances are right.

Also, you can only impound a vehicle from a Failing to Stop for 7 days.

What is the point of that? It's just more hassle for the cops to deal with at the end of the day. It's not like 7 days no vehicle will cause any hassles for the owner!!!
So it's 7 days impounding for failing to stop in a pursuit. (Guilty = Light Punishment)
and 28 days impounding for failing to provide a drivers name. (Not Proven Guilty = Heavier Punishment???)

Do you see the laws you enforce Bykey Cop??? How do you make sense of such bullshit. This society we are living in is purely money driven and you and other cops today are marely revenue collecting and pawns to a money driven government. A corrupt government at that!
Let me explain for you just one more rediculous issue that the hand that feeds you invokes!

A Farkin Bullshit Labour Government Selling It's Country Out - You can Mark My Words!!!

How many of you have heard about the Burmese Boy Soldier Refugees arriving into New Zealand in 6 weeks time?
Approximate 250 soldier trained young Burmese Boys - Arriving into NZ as refugees!!! Hushed up by this labour government with not a word of mention on the government owned airways.
Some of these young boys having over 20 human kills each! Evil murdering People imported to blend into our society!!!
AND WE ARE FARKIN BRINGING THEM HERE??????????????????
WHY?????????????

I know most of you can't understand why!
I can and I refuse to turn a blind eye on the important issues that are harming this country, so let me impart some knowledge for you.

Helen Clarke has imported masses of refugees into this country for her sole benefit! She is selling this country out.
Later this year, Helen Clarke will step down from being Prime Minister - To persue the Top role of "Secretary to the United Nations"
And anyone with half a mind knows how Farkin corrupt and Bullshit the United Nation setup is!
Helen Clarke is bringing in Brutal Cold Blooded Murderers who have been raised knowing nothing other than killing, into our country by the shiploads, to benefit herself!
These 250 efficient murderers, brought here to live off of our society without contribution and to walk side by side with us in every day life.
In my eyes - she is demonic! At minimum - A Criminal for her acts of selling out a nation for her personal gain.

And worst of all - We voted them back in!!! Thats the level of awareness this country has, The majority of this country having Shit for Brains.
A nation of trusting people who are infact too ignorant and too naive to address the real issues.
Blinded by a Government driving Bullshit Policies with a Police Force customised to maintain it!

Unfortunately for you Bikey Cop, In the eyes of poeple like myself. You are but marely an obstacle! (A customised revenue gathering obstacle!)

[crshbndct]

From the mouth of a ducati owning (now ex) Sergent of a traffic unit in Auckland and then up northish. "Hell yeah, wont see me stopping any time soon, its just not worth it."

He belongs to us now.

awesomesticks.

[crshbndct]

I'm quite happy to charge the registered owner for Failing to Provide Drivers Details if I get some bullshit as you describe above - let them tell the judge how many mates had the keys at that particular time. I recently got a boy racer convicted after he spent 30 seconds doing burnouts and didn't give details of the driver. He got fined $500 AND disqualified for 6 months just for not coughing up (was probably him anyway).

Also, you can only impound a vehicle from a Failing to Stop for 7 days.

just a question...

how exactly (besides being illegal) is a burnout a bad thing? i mean, yeah, if they leave broken bottles, and break stuff then ok but these modern jappa sortscars weigh bugerall, they dont wreck the roads, and a burnout is NOT dangerous, (it just looks it) and yet you, in the pursuit of a conviction, probably wrecked some young mans life for the next 5 years. the damage that this does to the economy (ending up on the dole, losing jobs, unable to get insurance) etc will be far worse than letting a young guy have a bit of fun. my father was a wild hoon with bikes and cars when he was young. but back then police didnt seem to worry about young men having fun miles from anyone. if he had lost his car and license back then he would have lost his job and it would have had a serious long lasting effect on his (and my) life. he would have not finishe his apprenticeship, which would have meant he would be in a worse position for the rest of his life.

and if you say that it is irresponsible to do it in the first place if so much is at stake, then why does any one eat mcD's or smoke cigarettes? these things are far more likely to kill you early than doing 120kmh on a ZX10R

[Dafe]

just a question...

how exactly (besides being illegal) is a burnout a bad thing? i mean, yeah, if they leave broken bottles, and break stuff then ok but these modern jappa sortscars weigh bugerall, they dont wreck the roads, and a burnout is NOT dangerous, (it just looks it) and yet you, in the pursuit of a conviction, probably wrecked some young mans life for the next 5 years. the damage that this does to the economy (ending up on the dole, losing jobs, unable to get insurance) etc will be far worse than letting a young guy have a bit of fun. my father was a wild hoon with bikes and cars when he was young. but back then police didnt seem to worry about young men having fun miles from anyone. if he had lost his car and license back then he would have lost his job and it would have had a serious long lasting effect on his (and my) life. he would have not finishe his apprenticeship, which would have meant he would be in a worse position for the rest of his life.

and if you say that it is irresponsible to do it in the first place if so much is at stake, then why does any one eat mcD's or smoke cigarettes? these things are far more likely to kill you early than doing 120kmh on a ZX10R

Its not about it being a good or bad thing, It's the fact that the Government can claim monetary fines for it. Thats all that matters to them! Intelligent reasoning is not considered.