Our great justice/police system part 2

**Ozzie** · 17th July 2006, 14:32

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Sorry, I can't give you a accurate answer on that one. The staff that are resigning, retiring, perfing etc are published in our staff news; the last issue (23 June) had 14 resignations, two retirements and two that perfed. In addition there were 9 non-sworn staff leave that left the police. Every issue you see cops of all experience levels leaving but I wouldn't have the faintest idea what the average length of service is.

Seems to me, if they aren't fully up with it for 3 years, and av length of service is only marginally longer (guess!), and the seniors are getting the shits with the bullshit laws; staffing; publicity etc....we are pretty f*cked.

Crime from what I understand is not getting any less prevalent, police ability to be effective is, which for the record I don't believe is the police themselves. Although, as stated in other threads, there are a few that need to find a mirror and have a good long hard look at themselves.

**PuppetMaster** · 17th July 2006, 14:56

Ive not read this thread.

The justice system can be quantified by this -
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10391660

We look after trees better than we look after people.

**Ixion** · 17th July 2006, 15:28

Originally Posted by Swoop

This mornings harold...

Police tackle crowd of boy racers

7.00am Monday July 17, 2006

Police spent several hours last night trying to disperse a group of about 100 boy racers who had gathered on McLaughlins Road in Wiri.

The group started gathering around 6.30pm.

"They were hooning around and throwing bottles at the police, who were trying to quell the situation," a police spokesman said.

Officers had dispersed the crowd by around 9.30pm. No arrests were made and no one was hurt.

THREE HOURS to disperse some boi ricers??? WTF???
Did they form a committee and then raise points of interest? Subcommittee involvement?

FFS lob some fecking teargas at the tossers and let them run home to mummy!

Three hours is not unreasonable. Lotsa boi-racers, could have gotten really ugly. better to spend a bit of time talking, keep things under control.

They all dispersed, no trouble, no nastiness, no arrests, isn't that the ideal?

I'd call that good policing m'self. Got the result with the minimum of aggro for all concerned. Lot better than blasting in like Rambo and having people and cops carted away in the ambos. And a nasty rancorous running sore in the cop-public relationship.

Well done, whatever Plod was in charge of that.

**Finn** · 17th July 2006, 15:31

Come Ixion, they're just kids having fun. Didn't you used to have Dad's Model T up on two wheels when you were a teenager?

**spudchucka** · 17th July 2006, 16:48

Originally Posted by Ozzie

Seems to me, if they aren't fully up with it for 3 years,

18 months - 3 years seems, (in my experience) to be the length of time it takes most new cops to get to a stage where they are fully competent and able to deal with any situation on their own without requiring input from those senior to them or requiring high levels of supervision.

Each cop is different though, some get there a lot sooner than others, while others (a very small number) never seem to get the hang of things and end up working in traffic, (or Court Section, the Watch-House etc etc) because they can't cope with the complexities of the criminal work and the stress of night shifts, preparing Court files etc etc.

Thats not to say all the traffic cops are rejects, some are really good cops that choose that area of work because it suits their personal situation.

**spudchucka** · 17th July 2006, 16:51

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I guess the bosses don't think they have a problem. Just like they think they have enough cops.

Its slowly becoming apparent to them that they do have a recruitment problem although I think they are still in denial that there is a retention issue.

**Indoo** · 17th July 2006, 17:38

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I guess the bosses don't think they have a problem. Just like they think they have enough cops.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3723646a11,00.html

There is no problem Lou, a guy sitting in an office in Wellington told us so.

**spudchucka** · 17th July 2006, 18:02

Police have resorted to creative tactics to attract new recruits. In the past week they began focusing on young school-leavers and made the fitness test easier, meaning potential recruits can be slower, short-sighted, hard of hearing or asthmatic and still pass. Ms King confirmed recruiters were door-knocking former officers who had recently resigned after short police careers.

Creative tactics? Really? Unfit, short sighted, hard of hearing school leavers? God help us!

And door knocking former officers? Shit Lou, they might even try to make a retread out of you.

**SPman** · 17th July 2006, 18:12

The shits just hit the fan over here, with recruits, who fail the psychological, fitness and intelligence tests have been recruited anyway!!!!!
People are not happy.........
And the cops are going on strike and work to rule over wages.....

**Lou Girardin** · 18th July 2006, 10:47

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Creative tactics? Really? Unfit, short sighted, hard of hearing school leavers? God help us!

And door knocking former officers? Shit Lou, they might even try to make a retread out of you.

My carcass won't take a retread.
Sometimes I almost pity you guys at having to work for such a moronic crowd of incompetents. They spend more time arguing semantics than fixing problems.
Our MOT bosses were paragons compared to your lot.

**spudchucka** · 18th July 2006, 13:22

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

My carcass won't take a retread.
Sometimes I almost pity you guys at having to work for such a moronic crowd of incompetents. They spend more time arguing semantics than fixing problems.
Our MOT bosses were paragons compared to your lot.

And the pricks won't even give us our boots for free!