My maori thread

[Dafe]

Sheesh, Just went past the wangavegas police shop and noticed a sign on the front door. All staff on Annual Leave for the next few days, due to no work.

Whats up with that???

[Lou Girardin]

Will some PLEASE think about the Morioris.
Or, as they were known to their new neighbours - lunch.

[Finn]

I see that you have found your capital "M" for at least some of your post. Does that mean you now have 50% respect for the Tangata Whenua. Why the change of heart? Aren't they all just digusting, fat, useless, good for nothing animals?

My thread was a huge mistake. What I meant to say was...

Note: I purposely spelt pigs without a captial P basically because I have absolutely no respect for these digusting, fat, useless, good for nothing animals. I'm sure all the bleeding hearts will say "Not all pigs are bad." and "One of my best mates is a pig" well fuck them and fuck all this political correctness. It's not working. If they had a true indenity and cared for the community they would be looking after us a lot better.

Actually, there is some truth in saying that NZ is responsible. We've given them too much rope.

This new version of Word is a real bitch. Anyway, happy now?

[Skyryder]

I think question would be better interperated as: Do we have to abide by a *contract* that long dead people of our ethnic group (or not) signed years ago?

It depends who the 'dead' men represented. In the case of the Treaty of Waitangi it is the Crown. Then men who signed it are long gone but the Crown is still active in New Zealand.

If New Zealand becomes a republic it is probable that Treaty provisions will be incorperated into the New Zealand Constitution. Given the importance that the Treaty is now considered our founding document (I don't hold this view) it is more than likely that this will occur.

New Zealand became an independent dominion on 26 September 1907, by Royal Proclamation. This too me is the founding document of New Zealand.


Skyryder

[Paul in NZ]

Will some PLEASE think about the Morioris.
Or, as they were known to their new neighbours - lunch.

There is considerable debate about this - the current thinking is the Moriori were NOT a seperate race and there is little if no creditable edvidence that there was a seperate society.

Most likely, the 'great fleet' idea is a bit like 'The first four ships' idea in cantab.

ie, there was a great fleet but other canoes probably arrived before and maybe afterwards.... Some scholars believe the legends of the great navigators etc indicate that at some stage there was traffic backwards and forwards but given the currents, it would be difficult.

I'm afraid, that apart from a few lost fishermen, exploring chinese or malays, lost dutchmen of vikings left by flying saucers and drunken spaniards biffing helmets into harbours..... The evidence all points to Maori being the first people to settle the land.

However, the golden age of Maori civilisation, that of the noble savage like the plains indians was a bit of an exageration. Maori were in problems protein wise. Sure, there was a lot of fish BUT once the Moa went, they had a problem. Kumera would not grow in the far south and they had problems storing food for winter and journeys....

Maori were quite chuffed when europeans arrived and were very quick to see the advantages of the technology of the time - indeed they surprised the early settlers in many instances.

[Colapop]

Mate, We (Vikings) got here first and you don't see us moaning about not getting enough handouts...

[Crisis management]

This is getting all too deep for me, I prefer my life simple.
However, I have a strong belief in personal responsibility and its great to see you addressing the mistakes made in the previous thread this way Finn, I hope the other protaganists from the previous fight can learn from this and cough up in public as well.
Regards, Iain.

[GIXser]

Fact is:

Nz socially,politically and economically is fucked, we have a governement that is so left wing it aint funny, that and the fact they started the Maori/European issue decades ago, even though most of us 97.5 % (at a guess) couldnt care less about the differences,

unfortunately this shit with the Maori issues is never gonna be resolved never ever,, because nothing is ever good enough, never enough funding for Iwi, never enough education, never enough publicity, never enough culture sensitivity,,,etc the list goes on..
this offcourse goes hand in hand with our great leaders,seems we manged to gather all of the shit in new zealand, put em all in an office together and named it the "beehive" whom are nothing more than glorified weed smoking hippies (no offence Nador tanchez or whatever ya fuckin name is)

I love this country , and most of its people, however i dont want my kids to grow up with this shit,,like most, the plan is to escape to oz,,, eventually

[Skyryder]

Fact is:

Nz socially,politically and economically is fucked, we have a governement that is so left wing it aint funny, that and the fact they started the Maori/European issue decades ago, even though most of us 97.5 % (at a guess) couldnt care less about the differences.

It was National that started it. Doug Graham to be precise. That's the fact and not the one you have stated. Bone up a bit on NZ history.............like it was only yesterday...............or there abouts.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Big question in my mind is: why did the Maori leave Hawai-iki in the first place???

[Finn]

It was National that started it. Doug Graham to be precise. That's the fact and not the one you have stated. Bone up a bit on NZ history.............like it was only yesterday...............or there abouts.

Skyryder

Irrespective of who started it, the current Govt has made things much worse and over the past 3 terms record numbers of hard working, educated kiwi's have made the decision to get the hell out. Labour think this is good and these people are unlikely to vote left and have used this opportunity to replace them with the worlds undesirables who love auntie helen.

[Motu]

Muldoon used to openly laugh at the people who left under his ''rule''.You must of been a little boy in shorts then Finn.

[Finn]

You must of been a little boy in shorts then Finn.

And I was really cute too.

[Motu]

Big question in my mind is: why did the Maori leave Hawai-iki in the first place???

The Polynesians were the greatest navigators in history,travelling out to every spec in the vast Pacific.Lots of theories have been pondered about how they did it.I'm reading a book at the moment by Lyall watson called ''Heaven's Breath'',it's about the wind.Lyall Watson wrote the great hippy Bible Supernature,I'm still a hippy,so I still read his books.

In it he talks about how the Polynesians navigated - by the waves.Waves are caused by wind,and each type of wind forms a particular type of wave,travelling in a certain direction.Some will make a long deep swell,some short and choppy,so even waves travelling in the same direction have different wave lengths.The navigators learned these waves....they would be put in the water to feel the waves,some navigators lie in the bottom of their boat and feel the swells....some stand up and feel the sway and pendulum effect of their testicals (thought you might like that bit) And like bats sending out sound waves,land has an effect on wave patterns - that's how they found their way to all those scattered specs.

So they knew there was something big down here,they just had to come have a look see.But they didn't find a tropical paradise,no bountiful fruit for the picking - Cook found a people on the point of starvation,he liberated his own breeding stock from his ship in the hope they would supply the Maori with food.

[idb]

Fact is:

Nz socially,politically and economically is fucked, we have a governement that is so left wing it aint funny, that and the fact they started the Maori/European issue decades ago, even though most of us 97.5 % (at a guess) couldnt care less about the differences,

Phew...............
So you're saying that a country with a left wing government is automatically doomed?
Are you saying that the Labour government started the 'Maori/European issue'?