the progressive workers' strike

[Skyryder]

Thanks Lou


but really whats behind it .. How many large Aussie corporations are in NZ .. trying to keep their costs down and pay poorly ..& where are their profits spent .. not here

hmmm this brings to mind same situation in china .. called sweatshops .. is it not ??

do we really want this for NZ .. I for sure don't .....

It's the result of market forces. This all embracing ideology that places overses corperations and their interests ahead of the New Zealand interests.

Was coming back from the States a few years back and was sitting next to a retired American financier. This was in the time of the Lange Government their 2nd term. He put it this way. "If the New Zealand economy was a sixteen year old virgin she was being raped by the 'bover boys.' "

We have been ganged banged, raped and pillaged, and the masochists that we are, there are many, who applaud what has happened to the New Zealand infranstructure.

We have not only lost our political control but also our economic.

We are continulay fed spin by Parliments washing machines where ideology dictates political decisions and and common sense is flushed down the drain with soap suds.
THERE IS NOT ONE MARKET REFORM THAT HAS WORKED FOR NEW ZEALAND. Not one. Health's nothing but a fiasco, transport a shambles, education fuck where once you went to Uni to learn Latin and Greek Latin now they have remedial reading lessons in English.

The radiograpohers strike is for pay parity. If there was a National award system like theirr use to be this strike would not be happening. That's what you get for 'dumb progress.'

I heard on the news the other day that Kiwi Bank has returned a profit to the Governmet of $29,000000 and both National and ACT are on record as saying that they would sell Kiwi Bank.

Clark and her lot seem to be missing some ethics but don't go and tell me that National has New Zealands interest at heart............that just bullshit.

Skyryder

[terbang]

Nz Is Australias Mexico

We have been called the Pakistanis of Australasia..!

[Lou Girardin]

I remember how we were going to be the Switzerland of the South Pacific.
How the Thatcherites praised us to the skies for our economic 'bravery'. (But they didn't copy us)
We were and are just naive people living in an isolated country who swallow every piece of drivel we're fed.
Our Italian tutor said the other night that he's amazed how we don't get passionate about anything except rugby. He said that if they tried labour reform, ala the 1990's Ruthenasia, in France or Italy, people would die in the riots that ensued. Yet we take any abuse and ask for more.
Why?

[Quasievil]

Nz Is Australias Mexico

Dum comment of the week award goes to ................

[Ixion]

In what way is it dum? It seems to me to be both perceptive, and to reasonably well summarise the relative economic positions of the two countries.

Granted, there has been much less direct industrial investment than in the US-Mexico nexus, but that is simply a result of the different rules of the respective governments. In NZ, they don't even have to build a factory.

I don't think it's a dum comment at all.

[Finn]

Yip WINJA is correct. I'm pretty hard and critical of NZ myself, but this just about sums it up perfectly.

It's just a shame we can't grow coconuts. Otherwise we could all just relax, sit back and do nothing. Oh hang on, that's what we do...

[oldrider]

The strikers are just a bunch of dumb losers, dancing to Lila Hari's tune, which is just so yesterday, it's a joke!

Labour is on the ropes (Corrupt and bereft of talent) and the Unions are sensing their impending loss at (or before) the next election, so they are trying to make the most of what time they have left.

New Zealand voters should be seriously considering the consequences of the next general election!

Like who are they going to be screwed by next!!! It is not a rugby team that you have to elect to office!

This is a serious situation, so "think about it" seriously! John.

[Ixion]

For the record: I usually make a particular point of not moderating in threads where I am involved. However, in the interests of not having this degenerate into a squabble I have moved a post containing irrelevant and offtopic personal aspersions into PD.It can be found in the PD Pointless drivel post for anyone interested

[WINJA]

For the record: I usually make a particular point of not moderating in threads where I am involved. However, in the interests of not having this degenerate into a squabble I have moved a post containing irrelevant and offtopic personal aspersions into PD.It can be found in the PD Pointless drivel post for anyone interested

SO WHY DIDNT YOU REMOVE THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM BY TAKING QUASIS POST THERE WHERE IT BELONGED , SO THAT CUNT CAN SLING SHIT AT ME AND WHEN I JUSTIFYABLY RETALIATE I GET CENSORED

[chanceyy]

The strikers are just a bunch of dumb losers,

This is a serious situation, so "think about it" seriously! John.

John John John ... they are not strikers .. nor have they had the opportunity to be strikers .... they are LOCKED OUT .. two completely seperate situations muh dear ..

Yes it is a serious situation .. are we going to allow Aussie corporations to claw back workers rights .. ?? I farken hope not ..

[oldrider]

John John John ... they are not strikers .. nor have they had the opportunity to be strikers .... they are LOCKED OUT .. two completely seperate situations muh dear ..

Yes it is a serious situation .. are we going to allow Aussie corporations to claw back workers rights .. ?? I farken hope not ..

Sweetheart, what is the name of the thread?

I take your point but who fired the first shot? Question only, not a provocative comment. John.

[chanceyy]

Sweetheart, what is the name of the thread?

I take your point but who fired the first shot? Question only, not a provocative comment. John.

yes muh dear I know it says strike .. but make no mistake it is a lock out ..

.. but the first shot .. guess that would be progressive when they would not honor a clause in the previous negotiations & written in that a collective would be sorted for this round ... after all we would hate the workers to be organised & strong,& being Aussie their conditions are not that flash at present .. heaven forbid if we give the workers better conditions

[Timber020]

Firstly name a nation that you would rather live in, since NZ is so bad. We are small. We only have so many resources and we dont bend ourselves over a desk every time the US wanders in and smiles at us.

We do alot of things wrong, but pick somewhere better. I have travelled and have alot of friends overseas, and in all honesty, things are much more fucked, corrupt and at least to me, unappealing than what they are here.

3 million, small isolated nation, we arent going to be a financial superpower any time soon.

[chanceyy]

Firstly name a nation that you would rather live in, since NZ is so bad. We are small. We only have so many resources and we dont bend ourselves over a desk every time the US wanders in and smiles at us.

We do alot of things wrong, but pick somewhere better. I have travelled and have alot of friends overseas, and in all honesty, things are much more fucked, corrupt and at least to me, unappealing than what they are here.

3 million, small isolated nation, we arent going to be a financial superpower any time soon.

I have to agree Timber .. after living in the states for a yr prior to sept 11 ..& how stuffed up they are ... things here are not as bad as there .. but without forthought it could be .. & we have quite a few major overseas corporations in NZ now ... fortunately the Merger our company was investigating did not go through ..was going to be with an Aussie co ... our shareholders would have missed out .. & here we go common thread Aussie shareholders smiling again

My thought is that we have escaped by the seat of our pants ..

[oldrider]

yes muh dear .. but the first shot .. guess that would be progressive when they would not honor a clause in the previous negotiations & written in that a collective would be sorted for this round ... after all we would hate the workers to be organised & strong,& being Aussie their conditions are not that flash at present .. heaven forbid if we give the workers better conditions

I respect the fact that more than enough workers in NZ suffer effects of piss poor management.

I for one found that individual employment contracts gave both the direct manager and employee a far better opportunity to build a relationship much more satisfactory to both parties than any collective ever could.

Too many managers/employers/employees in NZ lost a great opportunity to build happy productive employment places where everybody looked forward to time at work, their time at home and their time at play!

Utopia, why not? I have been involved in all of the phases in the work place and I believe as a manager I was the most effective union delegate I have ever known and I was very proud of that.

Respect builds respect and there is no need to be unhappy in your place of work, after all it is at least one third of your day, or even one third of your life for that matter, why would you want to let anyone else stuff that up?

It's a damn shame really, too many people just go to work to eat their lunch and Lila Hari's antic are not going to change that one iota!

Unions are like rabbit boards and churches, no rabbits, no sinners, no business and managers and employers are too bloody lazy and stupid to realise that they are giving away the relationship with their most important asset (Their workers) to the unions without as much as a wimper.

The whole country suffers as a result of this ridiculous situation and the Labour party condones and encourages it for the backing of the union dollars that the poor bloody workers pay to them to ultimately stuff up their lives.

Oh I better get off to bed, I don't sleep well after reading things like this thread! Cheers John.