Police charge woman stranded for two days after crash

**Jantar** · 19th October 2006, 17:45

Originally Posted by Ixion

I guess it'd be a bit hard to say that she *carefully* drove off the road and down a bank.

So true...

**Grahameeboy** · 19th October 2006, 17:51

Originally Posted by scumdog

So y'all would be happy that drunk drivers never get charged unless they hurt somebody - after all what's the point of charging them for a mistake??

And if they make a mistake they'll accept and learn from it, right? (Tuis moment) especially if there's no victim, why the need for any punishment??.

Drinking is a bit different because there is the 'Intention' or in other words it is not accidental whereas a mistake is not intended....drunk person knowingly gets in car etc..............like a boy racer, he knowingly races around.....this old lady came running down the mountain...geeze I am off again

**scumdog** · 19th October 2006, 17:55

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Drinking is a bit different because there is the 'Intention' or in other words it is not accidental whereas a mistake is not intended....drunk person knowingly gets in car etc..............like a boy racer, he knowingly races around.....this old lady came running down the mountain...geeze I am off again

No pedantics please - she screwed up, she hurt somebody, she could have killed YOU with her carelessness!

Careless Use: 'Driving in a manner a normal prudent motorist would not'

**James Deuce** · 19th October 2006, 17:55

Originally Posted by Jantar

She wasn't looking at the scenery that day on that road. Visibilty was poor with low cloud and a steady heavy drizzle.

Not what she said on the radio interview from her hospital bed the day after she was rescued. Whihc may of course have led to the charge.

**Clivoris** · 19th October 2006, 17:58

Originally Posted by spudchucka

They should, following too close is a real problem.

I couldn't agree more.

This is one of my pet-hates.

I have never heard of anyone being fined for tailgating. Is there any way to find out whether any tickets are ever given out for this? Cos it certainly fits my definition of careless driving if not downright farking dangerous.

Why don't I ever see a tailgating blitz down here in Welly?

**DEATH_INC.** · 19th October 2006, 18:02

Originally Posted by Clivoris

I have never heard of anyone being fined for tailgating. Is there any way to find out whether any tickets are ever given out for this?

I have, in My U.A.V., for tailgating a wanker taxi that was putting along in the rh lane of the motorway holding everyone up.....

**imdying** · 19th October 2006, 18:06

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

So no (sic) you are saying accident is less then?

That's for the courts to decide, not the police. The judge of course can reduce or remove the charges if he sees fit.

Originally Posted by LilSel

If she was in the car by herself and crashed and was stuck for two days... would she still have got done with careless?

One would hope so.

Originally Posted by 98tls

Glad they have solved the important one and now can move on and deal with the seemingly trivial matters like the death of twin babies with no charges laid months later................

So until that matter has been dealt with, all other offences should be ignored? If they would stop mucking about and start shooting that family one by one, we'd have a confession soon enough... no surprise that they're all too gutless to own up though, you can tell just by looking at them.

Originally Posted by dawnrazor

so if the driver and passenger had been killed, would the police be charging them with reckless drivering posthumously?

There would be nobody to charge, I would have thought that was obvious.

Originally Posted by 98tls

Wonder what they charge the cop that crashed his car and then told everyone that it had been stolen with..........?

Even if he had been a serving officer at the time, it's reasonable to assume that with the amount of retards in NZ, at least some of them must get through police recruiting.

Originally Posted by Jantar

Wet or something? F#$%ng oath it was wet. I passed by that very spot on the same day about 2 hours before they crashed. See http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...t=34560&page=4 and I can tell you it it was pissing down. The roads were quite slippery, and I had to take extra care with every vehicle I tried to pass.

Careless? Inexperienced in the conditions more likely.

Not driving to the conditions is careless by definition.

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

She has been charged with careless driving causing injury - its actually a pretty low level offence in the range of driving charges and at most is only likely to get a disq licence and a fine.

Her driving caused serious injuries to herself and her mother and could of killed or seriously hurt someone coming the other way.

Yep, it's not like they've thrown the book at her....

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Christ - one look at the poor bitches face in that picture says it all. No need to punish her further.

So if I run your toddler over and sob about it when the cops turn up, I shouldn't be charged?

Originally Posted by Courtesan

The woman has suffered enough pain and misery. Some discretion from the Police would assist in her recovery.

It's not the job of the police to assist in recovery, there are other departments to do that. There job is merely to investigate crime, like driving offences.

Originally Posted by Swoop

There is no quota.

With the standard of driving in New Zealand being what it is, I bet you they don't have to make crap up to fill it either.

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Careless driving is a fine only charge, disqualification is at the discretion of the court and they aren't going to dish it out unless the cops ask for it and have reasonable grounds to request it.

Skid marks, gouges on the road etc etc can paint a pretty clear picture of what happened and who knows what was said to police in statements.

It's not like SCU haven't seen it all before. But even if they haven't, and can't make objective decisions as to whether or not people should be charged, at least they've got the bleeding hearts to help them.

Originally Posted by WINJA

SOME OF THESE GUYS DONT GET IT , THE PIGS ARE ACTUALLY DONIG US A FAVOUR CHARGING HER , IF IT WAS A BOY RACER WAS IN THE DITCH FOR 2 DAYS AND THE PIGS CHRAGED HIM EVERYONE WOULD SAY GREAT , THIS BITCH IS NO DIFFERENT AND IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THE PIGS ARE NOT FAVOURING ONE SECTOR OF SOCIETY THIS COUPLED WITH THE PIG BEING CHARGED WITH DRINK DRIVING AT THAT ACCIDENT AND THE PIG THAT TOOK THE OTHER PIGS LICENCE FOR 28 DAYS JUST SHOWS THE PIGS ARE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT

Essentially, yes.

Originally Posted by scumdog

No pedantics please - she screwed up, she hurt somebody, she could have killed YOU with her carelessness!

Careless Use: 'Driving in a manner a normal prudent motorist would not'

I think one can safely assume that driving off the road into a ditch isn't the actions of a prudent motorist. If the judge who looks at all the evidence doesn't agree, he can let her off.

**Clivoris** · 19th October 2006, 18:06

Originally Posted by WINJA

SOME OF THESE GUYS DONT GET IT , THE PIGS ARE ACTUALLY DONIG US A FAVOUR CHARGING HER , IF IT WAS A BOY RACER WAS IN THE DITCH FOR 2 DAYS AND THE PIGS CHRAGED HIM EVERYONE WOULD SAY GREAT , THIS BITCH IS NO DIFFERENT AND IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THE PIGS ARE NOT FAVOURING ONE SECTOR OF SOCIETY THIS COUPLED WITH THE PIG BEING CHARGED WITH DRINK DRIVING AT THAT ACCIDENT AND THE PIG THAT TOOK THE OTHER PIGS LICENCE FOR 28 DAYS JUST SHOWS THE PIGS ARE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT

Cut it out WINJA. If you post too much shit I agree with I get a pain behind my eyeball. Some things just arent natural.

**Meekey_Mouse** · 19th October 2006, 18:07

Originally Posted by Clivoris

I couldn't agree more.

This is one of my pet-hates.

I have never heard of anyone being fined for tailgating. Is there any way to find out whether any tickets are ever given out for this? Cos it certainly fits my definition of careless driving if not downright farking dangerous.

Why don't I ever see a tailgating blitz down here in Welly?

ARGH!!! Tailgaters

There are so many of them!!! NZ'ers are chronic for this, But I agree.... Why don't they get charged??? Thinking about it... MOST (not all... but close) NZ'ers are chronic for being allround bad drivers

**jonbuoy** · 19th October 2006, 19:08

Originally Posted by imdying

That's for the courts to decide, not the police. The judge of course can reduce or remove the charges if he sees fit.

One would hope so.

So until that matter has been dealt with, all other offences should be ignored? If they would stop mucking about and start shooting that family one by one, we'd have a confession soon enough... no surprise that they're all too gutless to own up though, you can tell just by looking at them.

There would be nobody to charge, I would have thought that was obvious.

Even if he had been a serving officer at the time, it's reasonable to assume that with the amount of retards in NZ, at least some of them must get through police recruiting.

Not driving to the conditions is careless by definition.

Yep, it's not like they've thrown the book at her....

So if I run your toddler over and sob about it when the cops turn up, I shouldn't be charged?

It's not the job of the police to assist in recovery, there are other departments to do that. There job is merely to investigate crime, like driving offences.

With the standard of driving in New Zealand being what it is, I bet you they don't have to make crap up to fill it either.

It's not like SCU haven't seen it all before. But even if they haven't, and can't make objective decisions as to whether or not people should be charged, at least they've got the bleeding hearts to help them.

Essentially, yes.

I think one can safely assume that driving off the road into a ditch isn't the actions of a prudent motorist. If the judge who looks at all the evidence doesn't agree, he can let her off.

Bad day mate? - But she didn't run over a toddler.

**scumdog** · 19th October 2006, 19:43

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Bad day mate? - But she didn't run over a toddler.

Arrgh!
And the drunk driver never crashed into anybody,
And the speeding driver never hit a small child
And the guy that did a runner never hit a motorcyclist
And the gut that ran the orange light never T-boned the mum in a mini.
And they kid not wearing his seatbelt never crashed
And the guy tailgating never run up the rear of another car
And the girl txting never hit anyone on the pedestrian crossing
And the girl never caused anybody to crash when she failed to indicate..

and so on ad neauseum, ad infinitum

So none deserved a ticket, none needed summonsed to Court????

**The Stranger:Me** · 19th October 2006, 20:37

Originally Posted by scumdog

So y'all would be happy that drunk drivers never get charged unless they hurt somebody - after all what's the point of charging them for a mistake??

And if they make a mistake they'll accept and learn from it, right? (Tuis moment) especially if there's no victim, why the need for any punishment??.

Yeah, perhaps a poor choice of words when I asked "What's the point in charging her, or anyone for a mistake?" however I did clarify my intent in the next sentence, which you also quote.

So in a case such as this, what purpose is served by further punisment?

**The Stranger:Me** · 19th October 2006, 20:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

No pedantics please - she screwed up, she hurt somebody, she could have killed YOU with her carelessness!

Careless Use: 'Driving in a manner a normal prudent motorist would not'

Yeah she could have, so please enlighten me, how will charging her with careless change that? Either for the past, present or the future?

She has had a far bigger wakeup call than a careless charge will give her, all charging her will do is rub salt into the wound.

Go get Klark if you want to do something constructive, she obviously hasn't learnt the error of her ways.