Transit Tolls on Western Ring Route

[ManDownUnder]

Maybe wanna get the media involved at the same time?

Hell yes! Anyone know a producer or reporter in at TVNZ and 3?

[Maverick]

Hell yes! Anyone know a producer or reporter in at TVNZ and 3?

Talk to McJim,

[ManDownUnder]

Talk to McJim,

Ta.

Of interest, I emailed Transit asking for the position on tolling of bikes - I'm waiting to hear what they say.

[Wolf]

Maybe wanna get the media involved at the same time?

You get 100 or so bikes blocking the toll booth and taking their sweet time getting the 100-dollar bills out of their jeans pockets (under the bib-front waterproof leggings), the media will take care of themselves...

[MattRSK]

I would make a special trip just to do that. I love taking the piss!

[crashe]

Ok its a friday...... and I just aint getting this toll/untoll/partially tolled stuff.

Can someone explain it in Layman's term's what it is all about....

If they want to toll us at certain points it is going to cause a huge congestion and they will cause a hell of a gridlock...... more so than what we have now... Is that correct?

On the map on Upper Harbour Rd there is two points marked off for toll.
Does that mean giving up dosh twice on the same road?

So for me getting into the city from Te Atatu on the motorway I am going to be partially tolled !
So from Te Atatu to Pt Chev I will be penalised.
Plus from Te Atatu to Westgate I will be partially tolled and penalised
What the hell is partially tolled?

I can see I and many others will be riding/driving around all the suburbs to get anywhere... gee more congested roads.

Thanks in advance to all serious answers back to me.

[R6_kid:Me]

Well my '45 minute trip' to work already takes me 30mins, took me 20mins the other day and the traffic was the same each day - just that i had different levels of urgency.

Guess its time to start practicing my ghostrider lane-splitting wheelies, and bending the rules with the number plate placement thing.

Tolling bikes... what for? We dont slow down traffic, traffic slows us down.
(Im not hung like a horse, horses are hung like me)

If this does go ahead then count me in for any pisstake ride.

[ManDownUnder]

Blow by blow breakdown for ya

If they want to toll us at certain points it is going to cause a huge congestion and they will cause a hell of a gridlock...... more so than what we have now... Is that correct?

Sort of. They're building more lanes onto the existing roads, and they're building some new roads to complete the western ring route. To pay for this they're erecting payment mechanisms which (if internatonal trends hold true) will mean you can pay by either:
1) Having an electronic "tag" which automatically gets billed when you pass through (without having to slow down at all)
2) A camera that can read number plates and thereby bill you (again - without slowing down)
3) A bin you can throw some coins into at about 1kph which then raises a barrier arm and lets you proceed
4) A pay station you can hand money or eftpos to a person, do the payment thing and carry on.

The payment option has to be at the choice of the motorist although some incentives are offered for option 1 above (well they are in Texas anyway) as it eases traffic congestion and you get a discount for prepayment

The proposal is for a lot of bikes to choose option 4 - as we are quite entitled to do - and simply use the system... demonstrating how bloody awkward it could be.

On the map on Upper Harbour Rd there is two points marked off for toll.
Does that mean giving up dosh twice on the same road?

Yes - if you are using tolled lanes

So for me getting into the city from Te Atatu on the motorway I am going to be partially tolled !
So from Te Atatu to Pt Chev I will be penalised.

Only if you use the tolled lanes. The NW has 2 free lanes going each way, and 1 tolled lane each way. The idea is that less people will choose to pay the toll and therefore the tolled lane will be faster flowing.

Plus from Te Atatu to Westgate I will be partially tolled and penalised
What the hell is partially tolled?

as above - a couple of free (slow) lanes and a fast/tolled one

I can see I and many others will be riding/driving around all the suburbs to get anywhere... gee more congested roads.

Yup! And an incentive to pay the tolls and (low and behold) put money in transits pockets

Thanks in advance to all serious answers back to me.

No worries

[ManDownUnder]

If this does go ahead then count me in for any pisstake ride.

I honestly think that we get BRONZ, KB and Ulysses behind this on a Thursday afternoon and it'll be an absolute goer.

Mae sure there are a few in there that forget their money so they have to turn back etc LOLOL... (did I say that out loud - coz that's just nasty)

[Dai]

I honestly think that we get BRONZ, KB and Ulysses behind this on a Thursday afternoon and it'll be an absolute goer.

Mae sure there are a few in there that forget their money so they have to turn back etc LOLOL... (did I say that out loud - coz that's just nasty)

Ghandi would be proud..

Not "Civil Disobedience" but "Civil Obedience" managing to screw the system

[Wolf]

...until your registration sticker is marginally thicker than it was in previous vehicle registrations and the toll booths mysteriously vanish but money starts automatically debitting from your bank account every time you use certain roads...


and even more money vanishes from your account if you somehow traverse an arbitrary 1km stretch of open road in less than 36 seconds...


1 minute and 12 seconds in town...

[ManDownUnder]

Ghandi would be proud..

Not "Civil Disobedience" but "Civil Obedience" managing to screw the system

Yup Saul Alinski would be proud... use the rules against themselves to demonstrate their shortcomings.

[ManDownUnder]

...until your registration sticker is marginally thicker than it was in previous vehicle registrations and the toll booths mysteriously vanish but money starts automatically debitting from your bank account every time you use certain roads...


and even more money vanishes from your account if you somehow traverse an arbitrary 1km stretch of road in less than 36 seconds...

We could market one that is cock shaped, vibrates unless you exceed 100kph and sell it to the ladies.

Incentive to not speed???

[crashe]

Mandownunder - Thank you for your serious answer back to me....
Much appreciated.......


I wonder if they will take a eftpos card..... hehehehe.

Shite to have carry all those coins... oh dear I can see I will be holding up traffic for ages whilst I turn off my bike, get off my bike to take off my gloves, undo my jacket, then undo my bike pants to get to my jeans to access my pocket to discover buggar I dont have enough coins in my pocket...... oh buggar. Then go to my back pocket and take out my wallet and say oh do you take eftpos?
Then to do up my bike pants and then redo up my bike jacket...... put on my gloves again, get on my bike and turn it on......

ok there goes 5 minutes of holding up the traffic behind me.....
Or I could drag it out to 10 minutes if I really wanted to.

[ManDownUnder]

Mandownunder - Thank you for your serious answer back to me....
Much appreciated.......


I wonder if they will take a eftpos card..... hehehehe.

Shite to have carry all those coins... oh dear I can see I will be holding up traffic for ages whilst I turn off my bike, get off my bike to take off my gloves, undo my jacket, then undo my bike pants to get to my jeans to access my pocket to discover buggar I dont have enough coins in my pocket...... oh buggar. Then go to my back pocket and take out my wallet and say oh do you take eftpos?
Then to do up my bike pants and then redo up my bike jacket...... put on my gloves again, get on my bike and turn it on......

ok there goes 5 minutes of holding up the traffic behind me.....
Or I could drag it out to 10 minutes if I really wanted to.

you got it.