Perhaps if it was accessible, there would be a huge increase in 'accidental' shootings.....Originally Posted by Bend-it
Less home invasions vs more accidental shootings ?
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Perhaps if it was accessible, there would be a huge increase in 'accidental' shootings.....
Less home invasions vs more accidental shootings ?
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Forum whore
Utterly disagree. Nice excuse to off a family member you don't like, or an ex-boyfriend/girlfriend, or those pesky kids collecting for Plunket.
"They were threatening me."
No way would I support people storing loaded firearms that are in any way accessible. Once the bullet has travelled through a child's brain, you can't do anything to fix it. Once the child has shot a sibling, you can't do anything to fix it. If the loaded firearm falls over in the wardrobe and puts a round through your femoral artery, there's nothing you can do to fix it.
I enjoy firearms. I think they should be stored under lock and key in a facility managed by the biggest, ugliest Policemen you can find, and you should be fined for not being able to account for every round fired by bringing the spent cartridge or shell back when you return your firearm to the lockup.
Think about the sort of people you encounter on the road everyday. They scare the shit out of you from time to time from sheer carelessness. Go ahead and set up your vigilante society.
Don't come whinging to me when it all goes horribly wrong.
They're not toys, and most people are idiots around firearms.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Forum whore
does it have to be an ex?
Hardcore Biker
Yes, that would be the case if we were living in a crime free utopia. But we're not, and I came to NZ 7 years ago with the impression that it was a safe, friendly society, but that has changed. Gun crime is on the increase, and law enforcement, when it does work, is usually too late for the victim of the crime. I guess the question is how will we adapt to this change?
I'm not FOR a gun crazy society, but neither do I think it's right for people to be at the mercy of criminals and the like, and when we pass that gauntlet, to be at the mercy of the law.
What's a solution?
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
Forum whore
You're more likely to have a bike accident than a home invasion.
You'd better go shoot your bike before it hurts you.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Forum whore
You're not at the mercy of anyone.
Where's the documented stats to show the increase in gun crime?
Compare them as a percentage of population over the years.
I reckon the '50s were probably worse for firearms misdemeanours and murders than now.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Hardcore Biker
Jim2, can you address the issue without including personal attacks and facetious comments?? What's your problem?
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
Forum whore
i'd rather a licensed gun dealer had loaded weapons in his hands than some crazed fuckstick walking out with a handful of weaponary and a bloodstained machete.
loaded weapons in the home are a different kettle of fish altogether, perhaps a concealed weapons licence for those at risk of getting their arse handed to them by violent crims?
shit, they let the pigs carry guns and some of them aren't too bright.
Forum whore
None of my comments fall into that category. Specifically state what you have a problem with.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Forum whore
In regard to violent crime in NZ, that statistics don't support the view that it is getting worse.
"Homicides rate high in the public's concern about violent crime, but such crimes made up less than 0.4 percent of all violent crimes recorded between 1994 and 2000. The low numbers of homicide offences recorded make it impossible to identify any trends in the offence rates for any types of homicide over the period. Between 1994 and 2000, the number of recorded murders ranged from 40 to 66 per year, attempted murders (31 to 61), manslaughters (8 to 23), infanticide (0 to 2), abortion-related offences (1 to 6) and aiding suicide and pact (0 to 7)"
http://www.stats.govt.nz/analytical-...lent-crime.htm
If you regard your inability to create a fact based argument that people need to conceal loaded weapons in their home and my response to that as a personal attack then you need to think about where your argument is coming from.
From my perspective your argument is based in an entirely emotional realm.
If NZ had compulsory military service for men and women and that included firearms training, I'd have no issue with your proposal. NZ doesn't, and I can think of no more hideous society where people arm themselves with weapons they don't understand, or appreciate, or most of all respect.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Hardcore Biker
Here:
Lies, lies and damn statistics... Can be twisted to say anything. Statistics don't come into it. If one person is victimised by a wonky law, then that's one person too many.
Fine, if there are worries about firearm safety, then my question is: Is there a way to maintain their safety, and still NOT be a victim? Which is basically the question I posed before.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
Scotsman on a German
But they um fire-stick go bang bang....yummmy...me wants one...bang bang funny.......cool.
In space, no one can smell your fart.
e mare libertas
Truism: to defend yourself with a firearm, it needs to be a functional weapon. That means anyone who can pick it up can kill someone with it.
Now, there are some nifty pistol safes that will hold a single loaded gun, and flick open with thumbprint recognition. It still boils down to proper care and attention, though.
If B-class pistol licence holders were allowed, say, to store a ready-to-shoot pistol using one of a list of pre-approved quick-access pistol safes in a location inspected and approved by an arms officer, that could be a pretty good starting point, and would mean that anyone without a criminal record could arm themselves at home after several months of training and supervision.
Note that no change would be necessary to the law in relation to self-defense to enable that.
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- mikey
Psyclepath
Except that as the guy's Dad said on the radio this morning, the Police branch who issue the licences to such businesses have audited and cleared them since the shooting, which is why they are trading again....now the crown solicitors office (or whatever) are prosecuting?
Stinks to high heaven of political interference.
Only a homo puts an engine back together WITHOUT making it go faster.
e mare libertas
Care to elaborate?
(Be careful, though. They're watching, and they know where you live.)
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- mikey
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