Juba on TV last night

**Bren_chch** · 14th November 2006, 17:53

sniper, looking sharp, looking deadly... not sure about ya footwear though, is that standard issue?

**Joni** · 14th November 2006, 17:56

bwwaahahaaaha, shit my stomach is sore from laughing....

**The_Dover** · 14th November 2006, 18:03

Originally Posted by Sniper

hopefully you can explain to me why medics fight on the frontline

cos some cunt keeps shooting people

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 18:43

Originally Posted by Timber020

Besides a crippling shot sucks up the manpower more than if you dropped the guy clean. And it means by taking a few guys to look after him, theres less guys looking for where the shot came from.

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man. Its only in the movies that you see a nice clean shot in the head. In real life you have just seen a friend go down and all you want is to get him out of harms way, alive or dead and that till takes he power of you, a medic and if they are dead or seriously injured, 4 people to carry the stretcher.

**The_Dover** · 14th November 2006, 18:45

the 5.56mm NATO round was designed to maim and not kill

a 7.62 will put a gaping hole in the back of a man

a 5.56 will put small holes front and back and leave some mess inside.

the agony head fucks with the troops

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 18:51

Originally Posted by The_Dover

the 5.56mm NATO round was designed to maim and not kill

True, as well as being designed for a soldier to carry more rounds into battle and also to lower the overall weight of a soldiers pack.

Originally Posted by The_Dover

a 7.62 will put a gaping hole in the back of a man

Not entirely true. You take a FMJ 7.62 and unless you have lost most of the forward momentum of the round, the bullet will punch straight through and unless it hits a bone or obstruction, it will leave the body pretty cleanly.
You alter the round even slightly by introducing any gaps, cuts or hollow end and the round will expand to cause damage

**cowpoos** · 14th November 2006, 18:56

I doubt snipers would use those calbire's for their work..... more like .50cal a mans gun!!

**The_Dover** · 14th November 2006, 18:58

not in any army worth fighting in

maybe the yanks who get they're arses kicked by camel fuckers

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 19:01

Originally Posted by cowpoos

I doubt snipers would use those calbire's for their work..... more like .50cal a mans gun!!

The most common calibre for a sniper to use is 7.62 for a variety of reasons. .50 is great, but there are certain restrictions that prevent people using them

Originally Posted by The_Dover

not in any army worth fighting in

maybe the yanks who get they're arses kicked by camel fuckers

You'll find its more the canadians that use .50.

**Kickaha** · 14th November 2006, 19:04

Originally Posted by Sniper

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man. .

Thats interesting because a lot of people think otherwise because dead people don't require any care

Traditional military thinking says it is better to wound an enemy than kill him outright, because a wounded soldier requires the assistance of up to a dozen others to get him off the battlefield and into care, so wounding an enemy is strategic attrition

**cowpoos** · 14th November 2006, 19:05

ain't a 7.62x39 a close range cal ?

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 19:10

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Thats interesting because a lot of people think otherwise because dead people don't require any care

You have to find out they are dead before making that call. Its true that a wounded man requires more care IF you take into account the personal who treat him AFTER he has been removed from the battlefeild. Otherwise when the shit hits the fan, it takes the same amount of folk to handel a dead soldier and a wounded soldier

Originally Posted by cowpoos

ain't a 7.62x39 a close range cal ?

Most common calibers used by snipers are

5.56x45mm NATO (.223 Rem)
6.16x51mm (.243 Win)
260 Remington
6.5x55mm (6.5mm Swedish)
6.5x284mm (6.5x284 Norma)
7mm Rem Mag
7.7x56mm R (.303 British)
7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Win)
7.62x54mmR (7.62 Rimmed)
7.62x63mm (.30-06 Springfield)
.300 Win Mag
8.60x70mm (.338 Lapua)
12.7x99mm

So you are right about 7.62x39

**scumdog** · 14th November 2006, 19:12

Originally Posted by cowpoos

ain't a 7.62x39 a close range cal ?

They're talking about 7.62X51, the 308 Winchester.

A lot better at long range than the 7.62X39, launches a heavier bullet at higher velocity.

World record group is 10 shots at 1000yards in a group that could be covered by a US $1 bill.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure of the above.

**Kickaha** · 14th November 2006, 19:19

Originally Posted by Sniper

You have to find out they are dead before making that call. Its true that a wounded man requires more care IF you take into account the personal who treat him AFTER he has been removed from the battlefeild. Otherwise when the shit hits the fan, it takes the same amount of folk to handel a dead soldier and a wounded soldier

Once it is established he is dead he requires no further care

Once it is established he is alive and wounded (depending on the severity) he then requires care before he is removed from the battlefield (if that is possible) which will tie up at least one person as a minimum, more if he is a stretcher case

A wonded man will always require more resources tied up in his care both on and off the battlefield than a dead one