Moto Guzzi 2007 models

[Matt Bleck]

Gosh that is soooo original, I spose it had to happen sooner rather than later

lol, and the person it was aimed at won't even see it

[dangerous]

It was when the MGS01 was first conceived, maybe about the time Aprilia took over, it was going to have a 2 valve pushrod engine ala 1100Sport/V11 engine with the same bodywork as the 01,now that would be a seller IMHO, instead of all the V11,LeMans knockup variations they did (just re-read your post,not getting @ your bike), I do like the Griso though but it should've had the 4 valve as intended

I agree re the Lemans bikes, having said that the worse thing MG have done of late is stop the LeMans name as it is sanonamous with the MG name, glad I have the very last LeMans to have been built.

Cant see why MG would put the 2v engine in the MGS, just not sporty nuff, having said that they can be made to haul arse but not as much as the 4v... ever ridden a RS1000? fucking awesome.

IMO I think the reason the MGS never came out in road trim is due to Aprila taking ofer at that time and they didnt want to encrotch on the Aprila sports bike... wouldnt look good if a MG did beter than a RSV.

I see no where for a plough to be fitted on any of those agricultural devices...

Theres always one... look closer, up under the rear guard... there ya see now

lol, and the person it was aimed at won't even see it

LOL... and that would be?

[Paul in NZ]

Well all joking aside - yet again Moto Guzzi is standing on the edge of a return to the glory days. A few new models and at least 2 new engines on the way. Apparently the 1200S has the beginnings of the new engine with a much uprated oil pump. That might seem a stupid thing to say BUT the DOHC twin will need to rev much higher and will definately need a new pump as the old one cavitates around 9,000 rpm (according to Mr Ropers blown up engine dept)

What the punters will get soon is a new motor that will eventually get up around the 120 to 140 hp mark and maybe a V4 to take on the ST1300.

Personally - I think this is a good thing. Diversity of design and choice in the market place is a good thing. The UJM does not suit every taste and Moto Guzzi has a glorious history and some solid engineering genius behind it. not everyones cup of frothy coffee but.....

If I could afford a new one - I'd have one...

Paul N

[Dazza]

Cant see why MG would put the 2v engine in the MGS, just not sporty nuff, having said that they can be made to haul arse but not as much as the 4v... ever ridden a RS1000? fucking awesome.

I've ridden the Daytona(95) & the RS(97), infact my mate still has his Daytona & an RSVR, yeah agreed they go like shit, but I prefered the bottom end of my ex 1100Sport ie.mine was pumping out a whopping 80RWHP @ 7600 RPM (I think that's where it was)

[Paul in NZ]

I've ridden the Daytona(95) & the RS(97), infact my mate still has his Daytona & an RSVR, yeah agreed they go like shit, but I prefered the bottom end of my ex 1100Sport ie.mine was pumping out a whopping 80RWHP @ 7600 RPM (I think that's where it was)

The 4V daytona motor was a dead end for Guzzi. yeah you can make em go fast(ish) but they only make a few more ponies than the 2v and cost a lot more to make and the servicing is a chore.

Guzzi will have to go DOHC and water cooled... sad....

[dangerous]

Well all joking aside - yet again Moto Guzzi is standing on the edge of a return to the glory days. A few new models and at least 2 new engines on the way.

What the punters will get soon is a new motor that will eventually get up around the 120 to 140 hp mark and maybe a V4 to take on the ST1300.

Ya reckon... all I see from 97 - 04 was the same bikes with different paint.
04- is the newer engine which with all its up grades still has no more HP that the very 1st 1100 with carbs.
Sure the 04 on bikes are a huge upgrade as far as frame and running gear goes, but there seems to be just the 3 bikes... the cruser and its 2 variations the Griso and the Breva which comes with a different paint and fairings 3 variations so far, hope history isnt going to repeat with the Breva.

I have seen the Norge (full dresser Breva) with the 1200cc, looks no different to the 1000/1100

Now weres ya info comming from re 120-140 hp and the V4, this talk has been around for a decade, anything new there?

[dangerous]

I've ridden the Daytona(95) & the RS(97), infact my mate still has his Daytona & an RSVR, yeah agreed they go like shit, but I prefered the bottom end of my ex 1100Sport ie.mine was pumping out a whopping 80RWHP @ 7600 RPM (I think that's where it was)

Sounds bout right 91hp crank for the 1100 and 102hp crank for the 1000.
The single seater Daytonas have 3hp more than a 1100, i wouldnt have one but the RS is wicked having said that its all as you know up top so is really only suited to going fast.. were as the 1100 is a much more usable engine, hell at the end of the day we spend more time in the lower rev range on the road.

[Ixion]

The 4V daytona motor was a dead end for Guzzi. yeah you can make em go fast(ish) but they only make a few more ponies than the 2v and cost a lot more to make and the servicing is a chore.

Guzzi will have to go DOHC and water cooled... sad....

That would be regrettable. Why can't they just up the capacity? DOHC only need to you want high revs, and watercooling not needed on a transverse twin?

What's wrong with a MG 1800 ? The extra weight wouldn't really amount ot that much and the layout would accomdate it without ill effect.

Or, here's an idea. Supercharger! Should work very well, big slowish revving engine just whats wanted for a blower, transverse twin can disperse lots of heat , and should not be too hard to hook the blower in with the inline drive layout.

[Paul in NZ]

Ya reckon... all I see from 97 - 04 was the same bikes with different paint.
04- is the newer engine which with all its up grades still has no more HP that the very 1st 1100 with carbs.
Sure the 04 on bikes are a huge upgrade as far as frame and running gear goes, but there seems to be just the 3 bikes... the cruser and its 2 variations the Griso and the Breva which comes with a different paint and fairings 3 variations so far, hope history isnt going to repeat with the Breva.

I have seen the Norge (full dresser Breva) with the 1200cc, looks no different to the 1000/1100

Now weres ya info comming from re 120-140 hp and the V4, this talk has been around for a decade, anything new there?

Not true. New gearbox, new frames, new final drive and now new engine components. In the wings are higher reving 850cc versions of the griso and breva nd a DOHC 920cc bike. There is more stuff coming out of the factory than ever.

The AIGOR guys are picking a slow evolution - new motor in lo po version and a step up into the 100 plus club.

[dangerous]

Or, here's an idea. Supercharger! Should work very well, big slowish revving engine just whats wanted for a blower, transverse twin can disperse lots of heat , and should not be too hard to hook the blower in with the inline drive layout.

MG have supercharged there engines since the early days from singles, Triples and fours... so bring it back I say.

Not true. New gearbox, new frames, new final drive and now new engine components.

In the wings are higher reving 850cc versions of the griso and breva nd a DOHC 920cc bike. There is more stuff coming out of the factory than ever.

The AIGOR guys are picking a slow evolution - new motor in lo po version and a step up into the 100 plus club.

Yeah I know thats what I meant by upgraded runing gear.

I have no idea why the 850 big block was presented... It makes no sence, as heavy as a 1100 but even less grunt.

Paul, have ya seen this Mk1 that just poped up http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=77884747

[Paul in NZ]

Yes - looks a reasonable buy!

The 850 will rev harder and be more 'sporty' would be my guess....

[Motig]

Like the Breva Sport followed by the Griso as long as they have that lovely Guzzi rumble its all good. But I do have to agree with dangerous that they appear do be doing the variations on a theme ala the V11 still spose it means your bike isnt out of date styling wise as soon as it rolls out the shop door and yes if lotto comes in I'm up for the Sport.

[grego]

................having said all that (Well, I mean you guys said it, I was just watchin the thread) it is still more of the same old stuff and me finks sometimes it is better to let a good beautyfull thing die in peace, before some guy really drives one down the road with a friggen plough attache at the back, or a concrete mixer.

But then again, there is always been a market for nostalgia.

[Bonez]

I have no idea why the 850 big block was presented...

Wont the fly- wheel be lighter, and less stress on components?

[dangerous]

Wont the fly- wheel be lighter, and less stress on components?

Could be, but theres not a single thing wrong with the 1100 fly wheel? and the components could take a bit more stress, built like a brick shit house the 1100's