Speeding Tickets

**Deano** · 17th November 2006, 13:51

Originally Posted by The_Dover

you'd be a bit fucked if you lived on the North Shore and worked in the city if that's the case.

but the government are good at fucking people!

How did 'they' get to work before getting a licence ?

There are alternatives - a full licence and ability to do 100kph limit is a privilige, not a right.

**Snapper** · 17th November 2006, 13:53

Government good at fucking people? Surely not! Hahahahaha!

I think I'll ride my 3 months, well not ride it, if you know what I mean.

I thought the cops were supposed to stop chasing you if you went over 150........

It's not about serving the public any more, it's about 'policing' the public.

It's not a free world we live in is it, lets face it. I wasn't doing anything 'wrong' when I was followed, I was riding my bike well enough for him to not do anything until I felt I needed to 'get away'. If I hadn't have done over 120, leaner or not, I'd be sweet as today!

What does that say!

**McJim** · 17th November 2006, 13:55

Beachlands to Auckland ain't too funny at 70kph either but then this subject has been done to death.

I still say we should organise 300 bikes to all wear Learner plates and clog up the motorway at 70kph for a day - it won't work coz current govt think being stupid and bloody minded is the same as being resolute in your pursuit of policy.

I used to ride 110kph regularly with the L plate in full sight and the cops never stopped me on the Southern Motorway.

Now that I think about it you're lucky they didn't do you for breach of licence twice - once for no L plate and once for exceeding 70kph.....this didn't happen after 10pm did it?

**Snapper** · 17th November 2006, 13:57

Originally Posted by McJim

Beachlands to Auckland ain't too funny at 70kph either but then this subject has been done to death.

I still say we organise should 300 bikes to all wear Learner plates and clog up the motorway at 70kph for a day - it won't work coz current govt think being stupid and bloody minded is the same as being resolute in your pursuit of policy.

I used to ride 110kph regularly with the L plate in full sight and the cops never stopped me on the Southern Motorway.

Now that I think about it you're lucky they didn't do you for breach of licence twice - once for no L plate and once for exceeding 70kph.....this didn't happen after 10pm did it?

Thankfully no it was at about 8pm.

I'd be keen as to do the Leaner plate ride! It's more dangerous riding at 70 on a motorway than it is at 100, no doubt about that!

Draconian laws.......!!!!

**The_Dover** · 17th November 2006, 14:00

Originally Posted by Deano

How did 'they' get to work before getting a licence ?

There are alternatives - a full licence and ability to do 100kph limit is a privilige, not a right.

They probably used Auckland's fantastic public transport system or drove their car at 100km/h on their learner licence on Auckland's fantastically uncongested and well maintained road network.

NZ doesn't have the alternatives to keep off the motorway in some places unfortunately.

I'm not debating the privilege of a full licence, I did it the long way, just the ridiculous restrictions placed on learner motorcyclists, that are difficult and dangerous to adhere to.

**Snapper** · 17th November 2006, 14:02

Originally Posted by Deano

How did 'they' get to work before getting a licence ?

There are alternatives - a full licence and ability to do 100kph limit is a privilige, not a right.

A privilege—etymologically "private law" or law relating to a specific individual—is an honour, or permissive activity granted by another person or a government. A privilege is not a right and in some cases can be revoked. For example, in some countries driving on publicly maintained roads is a privilege; in others it is a right. If one violates certain rules, driving privileges can be revoked, and if one causes harm to another while exercising the right to travel just compensation may be sought and awarded.

I have been driving cars for 12 years, and being from England, I've driven faster than 100k's a lot. I used to drive over 50,000 miles a year, more than most UK taxi drivers - experienced you could say.

Riding at 100k's being called a privilege is perhaps not how we should treat the roads. Driving at 100k in a car at 15, and being 30 with YEARS and HUNDREDS of thousands of miles behind you is not comparable.

I am a very safe rider/driver. I am not wanting to die or end up in a wheelchair, I am very confident that my actions in ALL walks of life reflect that, not just my driving/riding.

**McJim** · 17th November 2006, 14:03

Originally Posted by Snapper

Thankfully no it was at about 8pm.

I'd be keen as to do the Leaner plate ride! It's more dangerous riding at 70 on a motorway than it is at 100, no doubt about that!

Draconian laws.......!!!!

The point is that the cops up here think it's a loony law too so they won't pull you up for exceeding 70kph to go with the flow - unfortunately they won't tell you that either coz they're not encouraged to criticise the legislation they're meant to uphold.

I think you basically got screwed by a nasty piece of work with a badge - if you got the officer's name maybe you should get some investigation going on him - maybe try to entrap him on video for prosecution and get yer own back. Y'never know he could have a nasty drug habit or be a rent boy after hours.

And I fully sympathise with you (being from the UK with a mere 20 years open road experience and not even being allowed to prove I can handle a bike over 250cc for another 3 months!)

**Snapper** · 17th November 2006, 14:06

Hahahahaha!!!

**The_Dover** · 17th November 2006, 14:10

Originally Posted by McJim

or be a rent boy after hours.

nah, this dude is from wellywood and dynamytus is in auckland

**Ixion** · 17th November 2006, 15:33

Originally Posted by Deano

There are alternatives - a full licence and ability to do 100kph limit is a privilige, not a right.

No it's not. Why do people keep pompously trotting out that sanctimonious canard without the slightest shread of evidence or logic to back it up.

A driver's licence is a right, not a privilege. It is a right that has a qualification, and which can be suspended as a punishment.

But if I meet the qualification (age, pass test etc) it is my RIGHT to be issued with a licence. Noone can say "No, don't like the look of you, sorry, no licence for you". Meet the qualifications, and you have to right to drive.And noone, not police not government not even courts can deprive you of that right, unless you break the law.

Breach the law and that right may be suspended - just as my right to walk down the street may be suspended by putting me in prison , if I am naughty enough. I hope no-one is going to claim that the right to walk about is a privilege not a right. But so long as I remain qualified, and commit no offence against the law, and no-one, not even the Gov Gen can deprive me of that right.

A privilege is something allowed by grace and favour- which may be arbitrarily withdrawn or withheld. The right to operate a vehicle on the Queens highway is not such.

**The_Dover** · 17th November 2006, 15:41

yer a smart ole bastard ixion.

sorry about your lunch.

**Fatjim** · 17th November 2006, 15:46

Na, NZ roads are so awesome it's a privilege to use them.

**Fatjim** · 17th November 2006, 15:49

Actually, dictionary.coms (ok it's 'merkin) one of many definitions of privilige is:

any of the rights common to all citizens under a modern constitutional government: