Juba on TV last night

[Sniper]

That option wont always be available straight away

Neither is helping a wounded soldier.

and once the kit is dispersed does someone sit and hold the dead guys hand? no they wont but if he is wounded enough to require medical attention someone will have to look after him thus taking at least one person away from combat duties

No, but you dont leave a dead man in a spot and go back later to pick him up. You do the same as a seriously wounded man and remove him to a secure spot for a medivac and all 4 soldiers (the ones carrying the stretcher) are required to wait until the dead or injured soldier is removed from the feild. In the event of a minor wound (In/out shot), grazing shot or any other wound that means the soldier can still perform without risk of further injury, the soldier is patched up by the section medic and then put back into the fight. If the wound is more serious, then the soldier is moved to a safer location by at least 4 other soldiers and medivaced out of harms way. Im not sure exactly on how a medic would handel the wound situation and make a decision on how serious the wound is, but I know what Ive been told about handleing a situation.

Timber020 has already asked the most important question and your explanation really doesn't cover it

I thought the answer was pretty clear, No it takes the same amount of people. Unless you you want to introduce factors of wound severity ect.

I'm not interested in the aftercare part when he has been removed from the battlefield, I'm talking while combat is taking place and the option of removing them from the battlefield may not exisit

Exactly, you still need to move a dead person to a medivac just the same as you would a severly injured person. You dont look at a dead soldier and carry on. You still need to perform basic medical help until it has been proven he is dead. And that will involve at least 3 or 4 soldiers, same amount a severly injured soldier would.

[scumdog]

They already do, Scumdogs got one in his Harley

Fuck off, I WISH!
Would probably make it go faster than the present 25kw 'power' unit.

[dangerous]

out of interest... what .cal were u using when this photo was taken?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...9&d=1163483203

Ohhh man... I never relised MotoEquip released a 0ne piece leather in those colours, could the Minotur rep please contact me... just one question tho... is the rifle an optional extra?

And just to stay on topic... I used a rifle once

[scumdog]

And just to stay on topic... I used a rifle once

What as?
A lever to lift the lid on a packing-case?

[Hoon]

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man.

I'm sorry but I've got to disagree with you as well. It maybe your belief or what you've been told but I've always been taught that a wounded soldier takes more resources than a dead one. Even Major John Plaster confirms this in his Ultimate Sniper book which is considered the bible for any Sniper and also the same book this Juba guy claims to have learnt from.

I do agree that in the confusion of battle a dead soldier might be treated much the same as a wounded soldier but once their condition has been confirmed then the attention/priority/resources required of a dead person will always take a back seat to any wounded.

Likewise if I was Det/Section/Squad Commander and one of my men went down I would have to deal with him and call in a casevac (casualty evacuation), provide medical assistance and security but if he was dead then as a commander I would have more options and depending on how critical my mission was could opt to cache his body, radio it in and proceed with the mission as gruesome as it may sound.

This is the basis of the wounded vs kill argument and I have to agree with it.

[The_Dover]

i'll tell you what

if some cunt is shooting at me then i'm not fuckin around trying to pick up a corpse, but if my mate is screaming cos some shithead just put a red hot slug in his arse then I will try and get him to safety and do what I can.

There's a reason the dead guy is dead.

He's in the place the bullets are hitting.

[scumdog]

i'll tell you what

There's a reason the dead guy is dead.

He's in the place the bullets are hitting.

And the wounded one was hit by what?

[The_Dover]

depends, if the yanks are involved then it'll be friendly fire otherwise it'll be Snipers toys flying out of the pram.

you know what I mean you cantankerous old fart. you'd be fuckin retarded to hang around to ship out a corpse if there's still a firefight occuring, this is assuming you're are not pinned down (by SNIPER fire).

[Buddha#81:Me]

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man. Its only in the movies that you see a nice clean shot in the head. In real life you have just seen a friend go down and all you want is to get him out of harms way, alive or dead and that till takes he power of you, a medic and if they are dead or seriously injured, 4 people to carry the stretcher.

NO I'm sorry, but for a so called Sniper you know fark all.

1 dead can be delt with days later with 1 guy on a excavator.

1 wounded requires his section to defend the postion while the medic deals with him, the the medivac, the feild hospital, the base hosiptal, the recovery back into the community fark where do I stop.

Nato uses the 5.56 round for various reason including it wounds more than kills thus using up more resourses, taught on Basic traing (in the 80's anyway). But I understand you never finished one (could be wrong).

[Timber020]

Everybody knows as much as they have been taught or learned in there life. Im using info I know, sniper is offering from his knowledge and experience as are other people.

Lets keep it clean guys.Its just like a honda vs suzuki thing, no point in personal attacks

[Sniper]

NO I'm sorry, but for a so called Sniper you know fark all.

1 dead can be delt with days later with 1 guy on a excavator.

1 wounded requires his section to defend the postion while the medic deals with him, the the medivac, the feild hospital, the base hosiptal, the recovery back into the community fark where do I stop.

Nato uses the 5.56 round for various reason including it wounds more than kills thus using up more resourses, taught on Basic traing (in the 80's anyway). But I understand you never finished one (could be wrong).

What corps were you in he Army? Admin? I have been talking the whole time about being in the middle of a firefight and a soldier goes down. Did you even read the rest of the thread before you posted?

A wounded soldier will take more people to take care of him when you add all the care and rehab aftyerwards. You watch too many movies if you believe that once a soldier KIA you leave the body there and carry on. You may as well leave any soldier who gets shot just lying there. If you say you did a Basic, you know how much a fellow soldier becomes your brother, the bond deepens under fire and I am yet to see any man leave a mate lying there dead or wounded and carry on.

As I said to another member in a PM. Too many fucken armchair coaches on KB who rely on what they think or have read rather than experience. Not insinuating you mate, but still, I have met a shit load of people who share the same veiws as me. Its an interesting subject.

Everybody knows as much as they have been taught or learned in there life. Im using info I know, sniper is offering from his knowledge and experience as are other people.

Lets keep it clean guys.Its just like a honda vs suzuki thing, no point in personal attacks

Cheers mate

[dangerous]

Sniper... LMFAO, if only you knew how many of us have serverd time in the military, spud knows more than you will ever know... and I know SFA

[Buddha#81:Me]

Best mate or not, if he's dead he's dead I'm not hanging around a dead body weaping while some farkers lobbing shit at me, thats the army bands job in battle - picking up the bodys!
I was a pay clerk in the SAS for a couple of years (maybe). At lest I dont spout on about being something I'm not. I might change my KBer name to "Armour" or "Trooper" they both have a nice ring to them.
Don't need to watch movies although Saving Private Ryan is pretty good.

[jonbuoy]

IMHO..... I thought mines were designed to maim and not kill for that reason. I personally wouldn't want anybody to risk their life "rescuing" my corpse, if my brain is dead i'm a lump of meat. Depends on how religous you are if you agree or not.

[Sniper]

Sniper... LMFAO, if only you knew how many of us have serverd time in the military, spud knows more than you will ever know... and I know SFA

I didnt say he didnt. And I dont care how many of you have served time.

Best mate or not, if he's dead he's dead I'm not hanging around a dead body weaping while some farkers lobbing shit at me, thats the army bands job in battle - picking up the bodys!
I was a pay clerk in the SAS for a couple of years (maybe). At lest I dont spout on about being something I'm not. I might change my KBer name to "Armour" or "Trooper" they both have a nice ring to them.
Don't need to watch movies although Saving Private Ryan is pretty good.

Fair enough mate, so you have served, good to see you did something worthwhile, Im not an admin fan. Like Ive said, I believe in one thing, you believe in the other, you dont see me telling you that you are wrong.

Since when have I spouted on about being something Im not? Ive relied on past experiences and those of friends to relay my thoughts on a topic. If you disagree, thats cool, thats your opinion. You change your name to what ever you want. Ive used Sniper for years and I use it on a fair amount of other forums too. I like it, so do others.