P/Methamphetamines

[pervert]

I'll be sure to bronze my next dump. Glorifying P ain't a classy option in my world.

...and I care why?

[ManDownUnder]

...and I care why?

You won't till you grow up... give it time

[pervert]

You won't till you grow up... give it time

Yet you're the one with the immature attitude...

All the song is pointing out is that a person can have smoked P, and still being a perfectly harmless 'normal' person...not a weapon wielding maniac. If you weren't so thick, then you would understand that, not just assume it is "glorifying" the drug.

Duh...

[ManDownUnder]

Yet you're the one with the immature attitude...

This coming from the author of

...and I care why?

ok - that issue aside

All the song is pointing out is that a person can have smoked P, and still being a perfectly harmless 'normal' person...not a weapon wielding maniac. If you weren't so thick, then you would understand that, not just assume it is "glorifying" the drug.

Duh...

...quick question time

How can a person tell if they're going to be hooked from the first puff (as is reported) or if they're going to be able to control the drug an be normal, and not that weapon wielding maniac?

The song is quite possibly based on the first hand experience of one of the band members, in which it's a valid portrayal of their experience. Fine.

Anyone doing shit that will endanger me and mine for their personal recreational pleasure doesn't get my vote.

Also, any song portraying that 'safe' P experience will be effectively saying "I did it - you can too". It's a basic marketing strategy especially when the message is conveyed by a person or group of some fame or influence. The same reason celebs endorse products. You think Federer wears a Rolex by accident?

Bands get followings - as demonstrated by your coment earlier.

[pervert]

How can a person tell if they're going to be hooked from the first puff (as is reported)

Damn, you went and used the word reported. Here I was thinking you were going to be an interesting challenge...but I was wrong.

Instead, your're just another person who believe's everything the media tells them, yet has no real-world experience on the matter.

Way to go and ruin my fun...

[MrMelon]

Big drug in England is methylenedioxymethamphetamine better known as ecstasy.

Stuff over there can fuck you up because not all of it is coming from Netherlands and Belgium anymore. The stuff coming out of the easter European states and shipped west is far more crudely made and can be very dangerous.

If its not made correctly the chance of a instant permanent chemical imbalace in your brain is far greater. Ive read a couple of case studies on clubbers in London who took some MDMA and developed various mental disorders like Schizophrenia, bi-polar and personality disorders.

MDMA isn't as bad as you make it out to be. There are numerous research papers that show it isn't nearly as toxic as you'd like to believe. There was one big study on MDMA that was published which said it brought on mental illnesses and caused severe problems. It turned out the study was just done on monkeys, using a batch of methamphetamine mislabelled as MDMA and in enormous doses. The study was retracted but the rumours continue to circulate. Here's the link. http://wired.com/news/business/0,1367,60328,00.html

They're trialling MDMA as a possible treatment for parkinsons. It allows someone suffering parkinsons tremors to function completely normally for the duration of the drug's effect.

An ill-informed policeman is a dangerous things to be. MDMA really shouldn't be under the same umbrella as methamphetamine. The only crime you'd get committed by someone on E is getting hugged inappropriately.

The thing that gets me is that about a year ago there was a company legally selling an MDMA analogue in NZ which was professionally made and imported with the approval of the ministry of health. You knew the exact quality and dose you were getting which eliminates any of the risks of getting a contaminated product and eliminates the involvement of criminal elements, but Jim Anderton found out about it and shut it down because it's obviously unsafe. Yet BZP, a much worse drug is still available in dairies. It just doesn't make sense.

[DMNTD:Me]

...quick question time
How can a person tell if they're going to be hooked from the first puff (as is reported) or if they're going to be able to control the drug an be normal, and not that weapon wielding maniac?

As P heightens one's emotional state it would be fair to say that someone that is depressed,insercure and naturally has a tendency for violence with become one or all of those things...but intensified bigtime.
In saying that if one has a happy outlook the same happens there too.
The insercure person would be more likely to become "addicted" than the more together person hence why many that have on occasion that do have their lives together do not become knife weilding nut cases

Anyone doing shit that will endanger me and mine for their personal recreational pleasure doesn't get my vote.

Agreed 100% but see above.

[ManDownUnder]

Instead, your're [sic - cheers fish]just another person who believe's [sic[ cheers again fish] everything the media tells them, yet has no real-world experience on the matter.

Go piss in someone else's pond - you have no idea who I am, where I got my information, how I formed my opinions and how credible it is. I don't care for anyone choosing to do that shit, I'll help anyone wanting to get off it, and I won't give the time of day to anyone defending the stuff... directly or indirectly.

[The_Dover]

Did you even read my post? Im talking about the new crudley made MDMA from the Eastern European states not the stuff made in the Netherlands.

I would still argue that sustained use of MDMA pills from the Netherlands does cause mental problems and is harmful from the results i have seen however not nearly as much as the MDMA being made in the Eastern European states.

you're really not very bright are you D50.

it's not the eastern european MDMA that will do the damage, it's the shit that it's cut with.

geographical location of manufacture has no effect on the properties of an individual chemical. the other shit that is packed in the same pill may differ though.

[pervert]

Go piss in someone else's pond - you have no idea who I am, where I got my information, how I formed my opinions and how credible it is. I don't care for anyone choosing to do that shit, I'll help anyone wanting to get off it, and I won't give the time of day to anyone defending the stuff... directly or indirectly.

I know all about you, you sit there with your morning coffee, reading your newspaper, moaning about this and that...

It's because of people like you that offenders get off lightly. They chop off some hands, get to court and cry P. Suddenly the sentence is reduced because it's the drugs fault.

Stop blaming the drug and start blaming the person.

[DMNTD:Me]

Stop blaming the drug and start blaming the person.

Ahhhhhhh...finally some reality!!

[MrMelon]

Did you even read my post? Im talking about the new crudley made MDMA from the Eastern European states not the stuff made in the Netherlands.

I would still argue that sustained use of MDMA pills from the Netherlands does cause mental problems and is harmful from the results i have seen however not nearly as much as the MDMA being made in the Eastern European states.

I did. MDMA is MDMA and has the same effects no matter where it's made. You're arguing that other unnamed substances that may be present will cause harm.. well no shit. Shouldn't you have just said that other filler substances that dodgy eastern european chemists put in their pills/crack/whatever are bad for you? MDMA specifically doesn't really have anything to do with it. Anyway the chances are if someone's a heavy MDMA user, then that's not the only substance they'll be abusing. It's pretty hard to narrow effects down to a single substance if they're taking 10 different ones.

There was an article recently about a guy in the UK who had taken over 30k MDMA pills in his lifetime (as well as everything else he was doing) and he had short term memory loss.. What does that say to you about the toxicity of plain old MDMA?

Too much of anything is bad for you be it P, MDMA, weed or cheeseburgers. You can abuse anything if you put your mind to it. It's the person, not just the substance that makes the decision in the end. I don't condone the use of drugs, but I like people to at least look at both sides of the story before making bold statements.

[The_Dover]

I dont agree with that, from what i have seen at work and the case studies from interpol eastern european methods are far more dangerous and the producers in the netherlands are far more careful with their manufacture. Though both are harmful the stuff out of eastern europe is far more dangerous.

Did you think i was trying to say that there was some kind of enviromental factor?

MDMA is MDMA.

it's the impurites that are dangerous.

speakee engrish?

[ManDownUnder]

I know all about you, you sit there with your morning coffee, reading your newspaper, moaning about this and that...

WOW - tell me more. So insightful, wise beyond your years.

It's because of people like you that offenders get off lightly. They chop off some hands, get to court and cry P. Suddenly the sentence is reduced because it's the drugs fault.

Stop blaming the drug and start blaming the person.

errrr ... what? Try reading the posts you're responding to. Here... let me help

Anyone doing shit that will endanger me and mine for their personal recreational pleasure doesn't get my vote.

We're on the same side. I do blame the person. I blame anyone dumb enough to try that shit.

[pervert]

I can see logic is lost on you...