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    yeah, yeah Dan, yarpie books.

    If Greg was a competitive pistol shooter, as you profess, he could have put one in this wankers right eye and done the world, and the taxpayers of NZ, a favour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    A yarpie friend who used to be in the SA police force lent me a book on small arms tactics that he used as a manual back in the day, and it made some illuminating comments on the instantly incapacitating pain of a gutshot, as opposed to the instances where guys have continued to attack for 30 seconds after being shot through the heart, and the cases where guys have walked out of the bush days after being shot through a lung.
    Its spelt Jarpie.

    Depends on what you get shot with too as well as how your body responds to the shock. I think I have seen that same book, interesting read
    To every man upon this earth
    Death cometh sooner or late
    And how can a man die better
    Than facing fearful odds
    For the ashes of his fathers
    And the temples of his Gods

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    Yeah, I'll be chucking a few bob into the defence fund.

    I have a suspicion that the police have given up charging people who use a firearm for self defence as they have never won.

    So they are taking an underarm bowl by using the current charge of "insufficient legal purpose etc".

    As Fish points out if they lose this one, prosecuting joe citizen for using a firearm in self defence may get even harder.

    David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Dover
    yeah, yeah Dan, yarpie books.
    Shrug. Made sense to me. Greg probably didn't want to kill the guy, you know. Drop the gung-ho attitude and realise that most people don't like harming other people, even when it's unavoidably necessary.

    Then again, maybe we're all giving him too much credit, and Greg actually just closed his eyes, flinched, and pulled the trigger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper View Post
    Its spelt Jarpie.
    Mmmph. I thought it might be, but, you know. I've only ever heard it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper View Post
    I think I have seen that same book, interesting read
    Isn't it just. I got in trouble shortly after finishing it when Mrs Fish caught me pulling out bushes in the back yard. 'Defensive perimeter' and 'field of fire' didn't go down too well as explanations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    As Fish points out if they lose this one, prosecuting joe citizen for using a firearm in self defence may get even harder.
    I know at least one copper who's hoping that happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    Shrug. Made sense to me. Greg probably didn't want to kill the guy, you know. Drop the gung-ho attitude and realise that most people don't like harming other people, even when it's unavoidably necessary.

    Then again, maybe we're all giving him too much credit, and Greg actually just closed his eyes, flinched, and pulled the trigger.
    Fair comment re human nature but as I said, it would have been a very community spirited thing for him to have done.

    The guy would also have suffered far less with a clean headshot than a hole in the guts, so maybe you are wrong??

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Dover View Post
    The guy would also have suffered far less with a clean headshot than a hole in the guts, so maybe you are wrong??
    There's a sort of creepout-factor associated with actually killing a person. I don't know if I'd be able to put a bullet between someone's eyes, even if there was no difficulty aiming the shot.

    Anyway, are you telling me you'd rather be killed instantly than take a bullet in the guts less than 10 minutes away from a hospital emergency room?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dai View Post

    3 shots, 2 to the chest and 1 to the head. It became second nature to shoot that way.
    Hmm... see, ive always been taught to put one round where you want it to go... Guess that target shooting for ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    Anyway, are you telling me you'd rather be killed instantly than take a bullet in the guts less than 10 minutes away from a hospital emergency room?
    that depends... is dover a machete weilding criminal (dont answer that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyLuka View Post
    Hmm... see, ive always been taught to put one round where you want it to go...
    There you go, my point exactly. Target shooting vs. combat shooting.

    Sports are so much more civilised than war...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyLuka View Post
    Hmm... see, ive always been taught to put one round where you want it to go... Guess that target shooting for ya

    Military training.

    Excuse words but they encourage you to put them down fast and dirty.

    someone with 2 shots to central mass can still function. 1 in the head stops them instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    There you go, my point exactly. Target shooting vs. combat shooting.

    Sports are so much more civilised than war...
    make no mistake... in a time of war, all matters of the "civilised" persuasion go out the window... You want the round in the opposing soldier so that his shot doesnt come anywhere near you...

    After all "the object of war is not to die for your country, but make the other man die for his" is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dai View Post
    Military training.

    Excuse words but they encourage you to put them down fast and dirty.

    someone with 2 shots to central mass can still function. 1 in the head stops them instantly.
    very true... if i hunt i aim for the head, stops the poor sucker bleeding to death. But hopefully, ill never have to aim at another human being.

    in the words of metallica "my lifestyle, determines my death syle." Hence why i dont want a life in the military...

    denden

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyLuka View Post
    After all "the object of war is not to die for your country, but make the other man die for his" is it not?
    Good old Georgie Patton, eh? The Samuel L. Jackson of WW2 general staff.

    And I believe it went "... to make the other bastard die for his."

    One day, I'm going to shoot an ivory-handled Colt .45 in his memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyLuka View Post
    very true... if i hunt i aim for the head, stops the poor sucker bleeding to death.
    I stopped doing that after I saw a fallow deer sprinting for its life, bleeding out with no lower jaw left.

    Center chest always.
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