Respect

**xwhatsit** · 10th December 2006, 23:38

After hearing about the way that GSX rider was carrying on, riding into blind hairpins over the centre-line, I actually tend to agree with Jim2 in many ways, despite my first post. On the basis of his post alone, I was a little confused and annoyed that he was getting blamed for being disrespectful, but after looking at the bigger picture (I mean he did just attend a funeral, then come and post here a few hours later asking how to make his bike go faster, after riding unsafely), I see Jim2's point here. Of course, I don't think it's necessary to be quite so... public about it... but I can see where he's coming from.

Apologies for the earlier rant, even if my reasoning still stands in some cases.

**James Deuce** · 11th December 2006, 05:29

I shouldn't have illustrated my point like that, so if anyone needs to apologise it's me.

**yungatart** · 11th December 2006, 07:24

Why should apologies be necessary, when all you are doing is looking out for your fellow riders?

**Sniper** · 11th December 2006, 07:28

Originally Posted by RCTL

must be good to be purfect like yourself aye jim2

What makes you think yourself better?

Originally Posted by Jim2

I shouldn't have illustrated my point like that, so if anyone needs to apologise it's me.

I agree with yungatart, why apologise?

**frogfeaturesFZR** · 11th December 2006, 07:33

Fair point made Jim. You can present a reasoned argument to the forum. whether some of them choose to take it on board id up to them. Ride safe everyone !

**ceebie13** · 11th December 2006, 08:02

At the end of the day this is a public forum. None of us as contributors have any right to chastise anyone else for their point of view (well except the Mods, and even then you could question whether it is a "right" rather than a "duty"). Furthermore we cannot dictate to other KBers about what is right and wrong...what is common decency...what is disrespectful etc etc. Isn't it a democratic right to freedom of speech? If the writers of some posts are ignorant of the fact that what they write might offend or be disrespectful then that is a weakness in them. On an open forum like this you are always going to get that I'm afraid. In my particular case, I could agree with Jim2. But I suspect that what we are witnessing in his thread is his reaction to his grief and he too is using his right to voicing his opinion. What he/we can't do in voicing that opinion is dictate to others, so if we feel inclined to do that maybe the best advice is to stay out of it.

**skelstar** · 11th December 2006, 08:18

Well, tech its Spankme's forum and he chooses the mods to uphold his guidelines. Its not public 'owned', we are guests here...but then thats a separate issue.

No need to apologise J2. If these guys haven't worked you out yet then maybe they should sit back and listen for a bit. Friends don't judge friends on their posts.

**James Deuce** · 11th December 2006, 08:19

Freedom of Speech is not the freedom to hurt others. Freedom of Speech does not imply leaving good manners at the door, or thinking only about your own needs. This thread was about trying to get people to see that sometimes you have to do something that goes against the grain, not matter how wrong it may be in principal. It was too much to hope for though and I've been left feeling like King Canute.

This wasn't a reaction based on my grief, I've already done that elsewhere, and this thread was about someone else's grief.

**skelstar** · 11th December 2006, 08:23

Originally Posted by Jim2

This wasn't a reaction based on my grief, I've already done that elsewhere, and this thread was about someone else's grief.
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We can't protect everyone that uses this forum. The grieving familys of our friends must be aware of what this site is about and understand the consequences of exposing themselves to it. Esp with the level of immunity/anonimity that it provides it users.

**The Stranger:Me** · 11th December 2006, 09:47

Originally Posted by pervert

Hahahahahaha, why the age of 25?

There are plenty of people well over 25 who still aren't afraid to get hurt/even die, and plenty of people under who are.

What a silly statement.

Hear hear!

2 of the jerks which I refuse to ride with are well over the age of 25.

SOME of the young one's on the other hand are actually quite lucid.
Skid Mark, whilst he has (I believe desevedly) copped a lot of flack for his "riding style" had the brains to stop riding and bought a car. He tells me he did this because he couldn't trust himself not to cane it on a bike. Whilst not really that answer I would have hoped for, at least he can admit it and has taken action to avert a problem. In my view a big ups to Mark. Just try and stay alive in the cage now please mark.

There are a many over 25's who could and should take a lesson from Mark.

Some how though, I doubt they will.

Maybe we should have a user infraction for riding like a dick head?

**James Deuce** · 11th December 2006, 10:03

25 is an acknowledged point where physical Brain development generally ceases and hormone production levels out.

The 25 factor has long been used by Government armed forces recruiting as the age where it becomes difficult to repeatedly stress troops, because reason is becoming a dominant factor in thought processes, as opposed to unreasoned responses to threats governed by endocrine system responses.

It isn't arbitrary and it is backed by Human development luminaries like Lord Winston.

However there are social factors, personality, and peer pressure involved in activities like motorcycling. Millions of years of instinctual responses can't be overridden by 150 years of technological progress either, so of course people over 25 can behave "badly". I never suggested otherwise, just that under 25 year olds KNOW they are immortal because their brain tells them so. Women are less afflicted by this syndrome, but by no means immune.