Gun Raids - Big Brother is here

[ManDownUnder]

From a distance. I'll take a shotgun any day for home defence and they are perfectly legal.....

The gun yes... it's use against an invader... legal... in New Zealand??? ARE YOU MAD???

[sAsLEX]

The gun yes... it's use against an invader... legal... in New Zealand??? ARE YOU MAD???

two shots
1 warning shot through the roof immediately proceeded by one through the chest.

[Squeak the Rat]

The gun yes... it's use against an invader... legal... in New Zealand??? ARE YOU MAD???

Is that a rhetorical question?

I was subtely trying to nullify the argument of home defence to justify possession of automatic weapons without appearing to be a "pro-gun control" nut.

[ManDownUnder]

two shots
1 warning shot through the roof immediately proceeded by one through the chest.

Yeah - lets paint a picture... let's say I do that. Bang Bang ha ha - got the fucker - he won't do that again... then another guy breaks into your place...

First person he sees is considered likely to be a lethal threat. He has the element of surprise and bang bang - you lose your life.

First rule of an arms race, the aggressor always has the advantage over a defender. I'd prefer to avoid that arms race thanks. Refer the US of A arming bears...

[Drum]

.......I'm not a huge fan of America, but one thing America definitely does have its shit together with is the right to bear arms..............

Please tell me you're joking.

[ManDownUnder]

Is that a rhetorical question?

I was subtely trying to nullify the argument of home defence to justify possession of automatic weapons without appearing to be a "pro-gun control" nut.

oopsie - I see your point and well done...

[Swoop]

Interesting to read that "approx 500 guns seized" BUT "up to 20% may be illegal".
SO... how many were "dodgy"?

Then there is the comment on destroying all of the seized firearms.
IF an item of property is stolen, it has to be returned to the rightful owner before some public servant gets carried away.

THEN we have the fact that these raids have been executed "just prior" to a select committee hearing which is looking into arms laws??? Coincidence... (Tui time.)

It's the old story of the criminals being harder to prosecute, so the police go after the law abiding citizen as the easy target.

[MSTRS:Me]

I'm all for keeping a watchful eye on gun possession - lawful purpose an'all that...but...
Gun control ?? That's more to do with being able to hit what you are aimimg at!!

[Skyryder]

I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist but is anyone else here feeling like all those NWO Police state big brother conspiracies are starting to come true with all these gun raids?

This isnt the police targeting gangs or criminals, this is the police targeting licensed dealers and collectors who may have been in the posession of a few unregistered firearms. Everyone should have the right to posess firearms without them being registered with the police, anything less is a police state.

It truly scares me that one day the only people who will have guns will be the gangs and the government, and then we'll all be fucked.

PS: If your pro gun control don't even bother posting here, this thread is for people who believe in the right to bear arms.

This scares me 'more' than the Police doing nothing as your post seems to suggest.

(quote) Mr Whitehead said most of the firearms police seized were held legitimately but when police found evidence of unlawful activity or trading, all the weapons in the person's possession were seized.

"Once we found evidence of illegal activity and commenced the revocation process, that obligates us to seize every firearm in their possession." from
http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/3906688a11.html

Fucking good thing too. Just who do you think these bozo's were selling their guns to Lias. But hey don't answer that. Can't have you getting all 'fired' up and slinging redeye's at me.

No one should have the right to 'bear' arms in this country. The right to bear arms is from the second ammendment from the American Consitution and refers exactly to that, 'bear arms'' meaning to carry them out in the streets and in society.

The constitution does not refer to ownership. Most gunners do not understand the difference and your post suggests that you are one of them. Look into the orogins of the second ammendment. It's not as the NRA or the now discreddited KKK seem to believe; that all citizens have the right to bear arms in society whilst going about thier buisness.

There is considerable debate about not only the exact meaning of the second ammenment but also to its intent. A 'well regulated militia'...........is the foundation of the second ammendment and the right to bear arms is in conjuction that intent. It is 'not' as may 'gunners now claim in a completly different society than when the constitution was written, to bear (carry) arms for their own purposes.

Gunners believe that they, and they alone are the only ones to have rights in this. They conventialy forget or have no thoughts to others in this matter. This is hightlighted in the retarded philosphy that guns do not kill, people do.

The 'right' to ownership is enshrined in our firearms law in as much that they are a fit and proper person, and so are the rights of others in relation to this law' their partners. As in most things there needs to be a 'fit and proper' balance in this respect. New Zealand takes this into account and rightly so. If the applicant's partner refuses to have firearms on the property then the applicant will not be granted a licence. Period. That's it.

I've owned firearms all my life. Dumped the last in the Police station few months ago when my licence ran out. I could have renewed it but decided not to do so. Bottomline if you are a responable collector you obey the law, same as any law. If you get caught youv'e got no one other than yourself to blame.

Skyryder

[Finn]

two shots
1 warning shot through the roof immediately proceeded by one through the chest.

Shit. I thought it was 6 warning shots in the head and kick em in the balls.

[James Deuce]

"They" do not have the right to bear arms in the US. The First part of that amendment is always conveniently ignored by the NRA.

"2nd Amendment A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

US citizens (in the context that it was written that means Men - no Women, criminals, Native Americans - O alright Indians) have the right to bear arms if they are a member of a State organised Militia and they have been mobilised for the defence of that State.

[Skyryder]

Okay, so how may people die a year in NZ as a result of these auotmatic weapons? What ever the number is, deduct the gang on gang murders. That's a blessing, not a problem. I can't think of one.

Meanwhile, our Prime Minister is giving herself payrises while 1000's of people die on waiting lists for medical treatment.

Arm yourselves.

So you expect the Police to turn a blind eye simply on the basis that there are not many deaths from firearms. Have you done any research into threats with firearms. I doubt it.

It'a all getting boring Finn qabout the PM. Try a new approach.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

I've owned firearms all my life. Dumped the last in the Police station few months ago when my licence ran out. I could have renewed it but decided not to do so. Bottomline if you are a responable collector you obey the law, same as any law. If you get caught youv'e got no one other than yourself to blame.

Skyryder

Next thing they'll be raiding us to see how many 'illegal' motorbikes we have - too noisy, warrant run out, tyres worn below the minimum etc....

Then they'll take ALL your bikes off you.

Seems fair eh?

[Finn]

Have you done any research into threats with firearms. I doubt it.

It'a all getting boring Finn qabout the PM. Try a new approach.

Skyryder

No, but speed enforcement doesn't reduce the road toll either, just like tighter gun control won't stop firearms incidents. I would expect an academic like you to understand this though.

Speaking of the PM, does your boyfriend know about your Helen Clark masturbation fantasies?

[James Deuce]

Next thing they'll be raiding us to see how many 'illegal' motorbikes we have - too noisy, warrant run out, tyres worn below the minimum etc....

Then they'll take ALL your bikes of you.

Seems fair eh?

1st Amendment to scumdog's law. Only Sprotsbikes ridden by gun-toting squids shall be confiscated and crushed, so as not to deny the duly appointed upholders of the a law a jolly good laugh from time to time.