Gunshop employee charged

[sAsLEX]

I like this bit

f prosecutions against the dealers and collectors involved succeeded, Mr Whitehead said, police would seek to have all the weapons destroyed.

This would be regardless of whether some were registered with police and therefore held lawfully.

[sAsLEX]

Buy a gun with the requisite permits etc - you're fucked for life. No slap on the wrist, no faffing around. Sell a gun without the necessary docs or with intent, you're fucked for life, on hard labour.

Maybe without permits?

[jrandom]

I like this bit

If the police can prove that there was a conspiracy to supply these lawfully registered and owned weapons to criminals, then by all means their owners should have a very large and spiky book thrown at them. Hard. And not get to own guns ever again.

[sAsLEX]

What do you do? The licencing process is already very strict. And when it boils down to it, if there's a chance to keep criminals disarmed (as opposed to just making things more difficult for law-abiding shooters), I'd have difficulty opposing any measures necessary.

How many crimes in this country are committed with MSA's or whatever the TLA is?

Most is a sawn off 22 or shotgun, something that anyone can basically get their hands on.

If the police can prove that there was a conspiracy to supply these lawfully registered and owned weapons to criminals, then by all means their owners should have a very large and spiky book thrown at them. Hard. And not get to own guns ever again.

Yeah I think I misread that bit, jumped the gun you could say.

[ManDownUnder]

Maybe without permits?

errrr yeah - what you said

[scumdog]

I wonder if the cop in the front seat is as glad.

And, just slightly off-topic, who saw the documentary on the anniversary of Dunblane?
That was a thought provoking story.

I thought I had just read that the cop was yet to get in the front seat area when the shot was fired????

Still, it would ruin yet another colourful strory if that was the case though eh?


Dunblane?
A beaurocratic cock-up to the max.

And all lawful gun owners pay for it.

But crims are just as well armed as usual around Dunblane.

[scumdog]

Don't forget chaps, - certain politicians and other members of society see motorcycle ownership as only marginally removed from firearm ownership as far as attitude to them both is concerned.

[spudchucka]

I wonder if the cop in the front seat is as glad.

Apparently there was reasonable doubt that he was in the front seat.

One would assume that this cop was available to give evidence for either the prosecution or the defence?

[Lou Girardin]

Now, now. There was significant doubt cast on that point of fact (whether the other officer was in the car at the time) in Court. If a jury decided the shooting wasn't negligent, then it wasn't.

Unless you've spoken to someone involved, stop stirring.

The prosecution said he was IN the car, the defence said he wasn't. The jury, for reasons of their own, went with the defence. As with most trials, we still don't know the truth.
The bottom line is that the cop was prepared to kill the driver and he did not KNOW that he was armed.

[Lou Girardin]

I thought I had just read that the cop was yet to get in the front seat area when the shot was fired????

Still, it would ruin yet another colourful strory if that was the case though eh?


Dunblane?
A beaurocratic cock-up to the max.

And all lawful gun owners pay for it.

But crims are just as well armed as usual around Dunblane.

Aren't spree killings ALWAYS someones cock-up?
David Grey, Hamilton, the Columbine killers, all of these could have been prevented. If society isn't going to act on these nutters, then everyone will lose their guns.

[spudchucka]

The prosecution said he was IN the car, the defence said he wasn't. The jury, for reasons of their own, went with the defence. As with most trials, we still don't know the truth.
The bottom line is that the cop was prepared to kill the driver and he did not KNOW that he was armed.

So neither side could prove where the cop was at the time the shot was fired, in the car or not.

Surely in such a case the jury would normally find in favour of the defence. Or should the jury take a different approach because the accused was a cop?

[awesker]

Hey guys, I was just at SAI's today and I picked up a piece of paper on Greg Carvells defense fund, Ive got the bank account number and a postal address if anyone is interest in helping him out. Just give me a PM, sorry if this has been already brought up but Im not going through 40 odd pages to see ;D

[ManDownUnder]

Hey guys, I was just at SAI's today and I picked up a piece of paper on Greg Carvells defense fund, Ive got the bank account number and a postal address if anyone is interest in helping him out. Just give me a PM, sorry if this has been already brought up but Im not going through 40 odd pages to see

If it's published information - what's the harm in putting it up here?

Post it

[Swoop]

If society isn't going to act on these nutters, then everyone will lose their guns.

The law abiding will be affected, not the criminals that "society" aims to disarm.

[awesker]

If it's published information - what's the harm in putting it up here?

Post it

sweet as, just making sure I didnt get in trouble for some random reason...

Ok, it goes like thissssssssss:

Greg Carvell's Defense Fund
Westpac Viaduct Branch
Account: 03-1527-000-3691-000

or post:

Greg Carvell's Defense Fund
C/- Chartered Accountant
P.O. Box 76 127
Manukau City

If you want any more info Im sure the guys down at SAI's can help, their details are (09) 579-3771 or try their electronic mail at sales@guns.co.nz

Im happy I can help him to be honest, and Im sure he'll be most thankfull! Take it easy guys!