Eprom + PCIII?

[madmal64]

No i believe it is only for 01/02/03 Mille's but can ask if it would do or if he has one for the Falco if ya like ?

At this stage I think I will go the PCIII way but I will pm you if I decide to give it a whirl later.

In theory, a PCIII is the better option, as it allows a complete custom setup for your bike, taking into consideration any exhaust or intake mods that you might have done, which obviously the chip can't do. Of course, if you make more mods, the PCIII can be retuned to compensate for those too.

Even though the chip appears to be pretty worthless in comparison to a PCIII, as it allows for no adjustment, and might have been tuned and programmed under totally different conditions to your bike and usage, the PCIII could piss you off infinitely more if it's not setup correctly. When you do your budget, make sure you include plenty of dyno time to get it well sorted.

Sweet! Awesome! Thanks for all the info guys
Anyone recomend someone good with dyno & Aprilia knowledge in Wellys?
Looks like a PCIII may be a worthwhile spend

[Clivoris]

Right then.
Thanks for the help chaps. If I have digested the info correctly, a PCIII gives the ability to create infinite fuelling maps. I ken that it doesn't change the ignition mapping (apologies if this is incorrect terminology). My thinking is that a "good" eprom will alter both but it can be a lottery whether it will be the right mapping for a specific bike.

[98tls]

Not knockin these things at all.........i bought my own yosh box as it suits my needs better than a PC2/3..............thing is i constantly come across guys bitching about PC2s on overseas bike forums.......and its the same whinge every time........everythings fine one minute...next the thing crashes and there fucked.......as in bike wont go,never heard anything about it on here but cant imagine there all talking shit.......they do say that the things have been replaced free of charge......after a wait.honestly not knockin them...got a mate with one on an SV and hes had no problems........just a little dubious.

[Clivoris]

Not knockin these things at all.........i bought my own yosh box as it suits my needs better than a PC2/3..............thing is i constantly come across guys bitching about PC2s on overseas bike forums.......and its the same whinge every time........everythings fine one minute...next the thing crashes and there fucked.......as in bike wont go,never heard anything about it on here but cant imagine there all talking shit.......they do say that the things have been replaced free of charge......after a wait.honestly not knockin them...got a mate with one on an SV and hes had no problems........just a little dubious.

It's funny you should say that. I have a TL riding mate who had similar reservations when I got mine. Must have heard the same stories. I haven't had any problems with mine. It's done exactly what it claimed to and I scored it second hand. When I installed it, it even still had the previous owners map loaded. Definitely need to have someone do the dyno time for ya tho and that aint cheap.

[laRIKin]

I have only been looking at these things for a short time as I have my first F.I bike.

I have not heard of them crashing and I'm not saying that you are wrong about that.
And that most of the V11 guys seen to really like them.
Because of the ease of adjustment on the bike and the down loading of maps.

But I did read once that if you do have a problem you can unplug the PC and run on the standard ECU to get home on, is this right?
And could someone tell me what I would have to pay for one here in NZ, thanks.

[Clivoris]

At this stage I think I will go the PCIII way but I will pm you if I decide to give it a whirl later.



Sweet! Awesome! Thanks for all the info guys
Anyone recomend someone good with dyno & Aprilia knowledge in Wellys?
Looks like a PCIII may be a worthwhile spend

Hey Madmal. Craig at Motomart in the Hutt might be the only option. He put in heaps of extra (unpaid) time to get mine running as good as he could. They don't have a Dynotune dyno but he seems to know his machine well enough to find me around 10 horses and improved the throttle response etc no end. Also, there is a PCIII on tardme at the moment for the 03 Mille but I don't know if it's compatible with your machine (I e-mailed Powercommander about mine and they got back real quick. Very helpful chaps). He also wants a bit much for it too. I think Kerry can get them in for between 5-6 hundy new (but I might have made that up).

[Clivoris]

But I did read once that if you do have a problem you can unplug the PC and run on the standard ECU to get home on, is this right?
And could someone tell me what I would have to pay for one here in NZ, thanks.

I haven't had to do it yet but that has to be correct. I've heard of prices from just over 5 hundy to 8 hundy. I've had a bit of a scan on e-bay but have never purchased anything from there. If ti worked out, there could be bargains to be had.

[laRIKin]

I've heard of prices from just over 5 hundy to 8 hundy.

Thanks for that it is about what I thought it was going to be.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm reluctant to post this but...

You could do a lot worse than talk to this guy - he comes highly recommended by the Aussies and a lot of the yanks.

http://www.jefferies-au.org/MyECU/index.htm

Cheers

[Clivoris]

I'm reluctant to post this but...

You could do a lot worse than talk to this guy - he comes highly recommended by the Aussies and a lot of the yanks.

http://www.jefferies-au.org/MyECU/index.htm

Cheers

Why the reluctance Paul? Looks like a good thing for those other Italian bikes. Cheers mate.

[Paul in NZ]

Why the reluctance Paul? Looks like a good thing for those other Italian bikes. Cheers mate.

My opinions are often badly expressed and get me into bother.

I don't own a FI bike so I have no personal experience but in this case everyone I know that has dealt with Cliff (through AIGOR) has come away well pleased. Plus you can often build a kit yourself saving $$.

He publish some long long articles on how he started developing his systems and I was just very impressed by his can do attitude and the lengths he went to to help others. Certainly if you read a lot of the stuff on his site I think he explains your original question quite well.

I see he is developing modules for other bikes now including the TL1000.

[Clivoris]

I'm in Hastings at the moment and I have just spoken to a geezer called Nigel at Procycles (Napier). They have a Dynotune dyno. He seemed to know what he was talking about. His argument for using this with the PCIIIusb is that it is a much quicker job, the dyno and the PCIII have compatible software, and there is scope to remap the ignition as required. It will require a financial investment of 3-5 hundy. They do Bruce Telford's Aprilia race bikes too. For me it's worth thinking about but I will need to see what the reserves are like after New Years.

[Sensei]

Well swapped my bike for mates Factory Tuono as he wanted to see what my New Eprom chip was like as he has a Factory Evo chip that come's with the Tuono as part of their race kit & this chip is neally as good as his Aprilia race chip that he had in his 03 RSVR like mine with the Factory pipe that came with it , cost $2800 for both so not cheap ! My new Eprom made it look like SHIT ! We are going up to see Dean & buy another it's that good . Sorry but there is no way you would get a PC3 to better this Chip . It was made in Germany after months of Dyno / road & Track testing till it was Perfect & it is . For under $200 to just put it in ya bike & have perfect fueling from idle to Rev limiter is way Kooler than over a $1000 for pissing round with something that still doesn't get it right ! But keep playing & paying the shops Love that .

[Clivoris]

But keep playing & paying the shops Love that .

Just spreading the love and keeping the economy running.

[laRIKin]

I can agree that the PCIII is not perfect, unless you put a lot of work in to it. (I think that what you were saying)

I just want something so I can adjust out the bad spots to get the bike to run good if I change stuff. (pipes etc)

A bit like you can change jets etc in a carb.

If I wanted a race bike or a fast bike that I wanted to get every bit of power out of.
I would not be riding a hotted up 1965 based motor, I would have bought a GSX or a R1 or something that is worth spending the money on.

So in my case I just like the old Guzzi motor and want to be able to play with it and not have to take the bike in to the shop to adjust the fuelling when I want to try or change somethings.

So the PCIII should good for what I want, what do you think.