Exclusion of Motards from F1, F2 & F3: Good or bad?

[dangerous]

losing what? a 'race' of opinions?
there aint no losers in this thread mate, only opinions.
yours is as 'valid' as mine.

Yeah man, and I agree with ya there.

[idleidolidyll]

I wish though that we had motard races with the "off road" bit as they do overseas. That would be worth going to see, the combination of rough going and fast track. Especially if the off road bit was more than a token few yards of cnders. Interesting challengte that would be when it came to tyre selection!

damn! imagine idle agreeing with ixion!

well said though, i agree with your while post

In BEARs when I was in charge we banned the water cooled 4 valve 916 style ducatis from the production class. It was a dumb idea but that's what the membership wanted.
In the end it was recognised as dumb and frankly, that's what I think about this motard ban.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Have you though about the fact that motards may be making the feilds smaller??

They are taking over, and people on road race bikes just aint having fun cause these loonys on thier bikes keep scaring them?? Not everyone is 16 and bulletproof.

I believe that they should be allowed into the bears races if they are eligible. Bears is not a specifc class for the model of motorcycle, it is for the Brand of motorcycle.

[Hellraiser]

Keep your foot on the Peg. thats why you have foot pegs.

Or are you afraid you cant handle the bike and need your foot out to make sure you dont drop it?

This comment just show you have no idea what you are talking about, try riding a chock chaser on both dirt and tarmac then you will ubderstand why the foot is out.

Foot should not be at right angles to the bike it should be parallel and forward of the bike.

[idleidolidyll]

a) my last race win was only months ago so I think I am more so up to date than you.
b) yeah... in the 90's things have changed big time and verty recently.
c) well Retards aint eligible any more... so YOU stop ya bloody winging



What are you on about???

the issue here has not changed one little bit.

back in the 90's and even the 80's we had 'motards' racing amongst the roadbikes. OK, they were not called motards then but a CR, YZ or KX500 with 17" wheels is a motard and there were even a few KTM LC4 engined racers too.
Yes, they DID slide them into corners (well a few did) and yes, they DID take different lines.
So tell me, what's changed about that? All I can see that's changed is that they are now called motards and that some people are whining about them.

[Sketchy_Racer]

the issue here has not changed one little bit.

back in the 90's and even the 80's we had 'motards' racing amongst the roadbikes. OK, they were not called motards then but a CR, YZ or KX500 with 17" wheels is a motard and there were even a few KTM LC4 engined racers too.
Yes, they DID slide them into corners (well a few did) and yes, they DID take different lines.
So tell me, what's changed about that? All I can see that's changed is that they are now called motards and that some people are whining about them.

Whats changed is there is about 80% more of them now. It would Defintaly not be an issue with 1 or 2. but its getting a little silly out there now.

[dangerous]

So tell me, what's changed about that? All I can see that's changed is that they are now called motards and that some people are whining about them.

numbers man numbers, the week end just gone there were 30 retards in F3 and 11 road bikes.

I see its only fare for the road bikes and motards that they have ther own class.

Do you under stand that???

[idleidolidyll]

Whats changed is there is about 80% more of them now. It would Defintaly not be an issue with 1 or 2. but its getting a little silly out there now.

so motards are popular?

if being popular is a reason to ban a type of bike from a class we're in serious trouble

the thing is, motards are often quicker around twisty tracks than many road bikes. if that's the formula that wins races then the wise racers choose the right bikes: motards.
if others complain it's not the motard riders problem that they choose the best bike to win the class

[Sketchy_Racer]

This comment just show you have no idea what you are talking about, try riding a chock chaser on both dirt and tarmac then you will ubderstand why the foot is out.

Foot should not be at right angles to the bike it should be parallel and forward of the bike.

I do ride a Chock chaser. I have 3 of them.

I do understand the 'real' reason behind the foot out thing. Thats fine on the dirt, knock yourself out.

Ride a chock chaser fast enough on tarmac, and just use your knee.

If you are using your foot to get weight further foward on the bike, lean over the front of your bike some more. then use your knee or even your toes (on the pegs) as a lean indicator, instead of your foot out.

[idleidolidyll]

numbers man numbers, the week end just gone there were 30 retards in F3 and 11 road bikes.

I see its only fare for the road bikes and motards that they have ther own class.

Do you under stand that???

41 bikes in a class? EXCELLENT!

split them up and have 30 in 1 class and 11 in the other? YAWN! nz IS TOO SMALL TO HAVE A CLASS FOR EVERY DAMN TYPE OF BIKE; THAT ARGUMENT HAS POPPED UP EVERY FIVE YEARS SINCE i'VE BEEN RIDING BIKES.

oops, sorry bout the caps, got stuck and i'm too lazy to retype

[Hellraiser]

I do ride a Chock chaser. I have 3 of them.

I do understand the 'real' reason behind the foot out thing. Thats fine on the dirt, knock yourself out.

Ride a chock chaser fast enough on tarmac, and just use your knee.

If you are using your foot to get weight further foward on the bike, lean over the front of your bike some more. then use your knee or even your toes (on the pegs) as a lean indicator, instead of your foot out.

Do you race you chock chasers on an MX track?

You would also understand that due to the ride height of the average chock chaser it requires a differant riding style ( i think the laws of physics may apply here too)

In your varst racing experance you may have noticed that chock chasers are pushed down into the corner with the rider more ontop of it rather than leaning with the bike. Now i don't know about you but i don't have a magical legs that all of a sudden get longer when i go around a corner so i can't keep them on the pegs, so what do i do with it?

I lift it out of the way .........

Now i'm not going to go into the whole counter steering thing with you because i know what an experanced rider you are and wouldn't want to insult you by explaining shit that you already know but just try riding a Motard before making some of your ignorant comments.

But back to the topic on hand i do agree that the Motards should have a class of there own as they have the numbers to warrant it as do bike like the SV's. So once we take the Motards & SV's out of F3 and give them there own classes we can then listen to those left to moan about how they no longer have anyone to race against.

But you can't please everyone.

[Kickaha]

That's always been the case. NZ racing has never really had a 125 class because it just isn't popular and probably never will be.

are you sure about that, it's a class that has run since the early nineties and at a National level I've seen grids of 24+ bikes, it's only in perhaps the last 3-4 years the numbers have dropped off but there were still 17 on the grid at Puke for the 06 Nationals

They ALLOW YOU to ride in the F3 class and 125's generallytake different lines to a 400 so you shouldn't really complain about other bikes just because can be ridden differently.

They only allow that at a club level because all the F3 guys started whinging about being beaten by the 125GP bikes all the time and the fact they 125GP could cross enter in F3, fuck that sound familiar some how

a 250cc 2 stroke isn't eligible for F3 is it? Not unless the rules have changed in the last few years .

They have been for ages but only road based production models

The BEARs club sorted the motard issue down here within a couple of meetings of them turning up

"If you wish to run a motard, no backing it in and keep your feet on the pegs while you're running in road based classes or you can go home"

[jahrasti]

If motard fields are big enough then why shouldn't they get there own class?
Why do you think they have cross entries in f1 and f2 for club racing?For numbers.
I have had a couple of moments with the motard riders in f3 but hey shit happens. for me it is the size of the fieds.

[idleidolidyll]

"If you wish to run a motard, no backing it in and keep your feet on the pegs while you're running in road based classes or you can go home"

Now THAT is a better way to do it. A ban is dumb but ensuring a safe race is smart.

BUT.............I've seen GP racers back in their bikes for years..............are we gonna ban hard riding next?

[jahrasti]

Now THAT is a better way to do it. A ban is dumb but ensuring a safe race is smart.

BUT.............I've seen GP racers back in their bikes for years..............are we gonna ban hard riding next?

No we will ban watching the hard riding.