Please don't enter blind corners too fast!

[justsomeguy]

May also pay to find a copy of the road code and read up about hazard recognition, or do some of your own research.

You've already made a great start with your tendency to ask "What if?"

What if that car driver sneezes and crosses the lane?

What if there's a car hidden behind that fence I can't see approacing the intersection?

What if ......

[TLDV8]

I think part of the problem is even with practice,you do not know how you will respond/react under pressure.
Coming back from the Hamilton 250 ride the other day... Some where out the back of Mystery Creek..Ahead was a 45 kmh sign with a crest,you come over this crest thinking no worries and there is a downhill with a hairpin looming very quickly ......Not a big deal,ease some brake on,knock some K's off and turn in.
What i did think as i was doing so was......Man,it would be easy to freak out,lock the brakes up and do the straight ahead thing going off road.
I had a split second of Its what you do after that which is the million dollar question.
I do not know the answer.....You can not fly unless you try but when you jump out of the nest......... ?

Build up to things at your own pace perhap's..Expect the unexpected but not in a way that you are looking so hard you miss the obvious.

I remember being on SH22 once........coming along a straight i see a quad going along the left side of the road slower than me but at a reasonable pace,half on the tarseal........As i get closer i go to indicate and move across..... I then roll of the throttle and stay in my lane instead......When i would have been on top of this thing if i had passed he suddenly does some move across to the other side of the road without even looking..... I cruise past..He didn't look at any time.....I would have collected him for sure if i had passed.

[limbimtimwim]

Trackday trackday trackday.

One more time.

Trackday.

It is a good time to learn how brake as hard as you can, with a corner in the mix.

Look, Kinje: Here is one near you: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/ca...=getinfo&e=946

[Bonez]

Trackday trackday trackday.

One more time.

Trackday.

It is a good time to learn how brake as hard as you can, with a corner in the mix.

Does it include cockies and fwds as well?

[The Pastor]

Go as fast as you want, protective gear nowdays is so good theres almost no chance of injury if u crash,

I go slow becuase I dont wear any gear, so im safe as houses.

[beyond]

JSG made some good points.

If you know what you are doing, you can actually brake very hard when in corners but there is a limit and they are as follows:
1. Also as JSG points out, under heavy braking your rear brake is next to useless but can be used slightly in a harder lean to lean your bike even more.

2. Your front brake can be used in a turn but has the opposite effect of the rear in that it will try and stand you up, so this means you have to counter act that effect by applying more presure on the inside bar. i.e. Counter steer to off set the braking effect.

3. Under both front and rear brake there are limits which you will need to know as they are different for each bike and rider, Weights come into this equation as well as rider weight, tyre pressure and road camber. Ingore these at your peril.
If cornering too hot and hitting the brakes you cannot apply more brake than the percentage of your lean angle. i.e. At 10% lean you can use 90% braking force without disappearing sideways down the road. BUT at 90% lean you have only got 10% braking force left before you use up all your available grip. This applies to good tyres, the right pressure and dry conditions.

Once you pass the apex, you are now beginning to stand the bike up again and applying throttle and the same rules apply. 90% lean off the apex means you can use 10% throttle without upsetting the apple cart. Once you are at 10% lean off the apex, you can use 90% throttle etc.

Hope that's clear,

Violate these rules for braking and throttle on corners and you are going to lowside or highside.

[limbimtimwim]

JOnce you pass the apex, you are now beginning to stand the bike up again and applying throttle and the same rules apply. 90% lean off the apex means you can use 10% throttle without upsetting the apple cart. Once you are at 10% lean off the apex, you can use 90% throttle etc.Hope that's clear, Violate these rules for braking and throttle on corners and you are going to lowside or highside.

That is far too black and white. Once you can see out of the corner, on a CBR250RR with good tyres, you could use 100% throttle at 100% lean (Pegs scraping) at peak power on a good bit of tarmac and not come off.

Trackday.

[avgas]

One thing that i have picked up over the years is to assume that the world stops where my vision ends, so i can cant see it - i prepare to stop for it.

[avgas]

Brock said it best....
"Brake on the straight, before it too late"

[justsomeguy]

That is far too black and white. Once you can see out of the corner, on a CBR250RR with good tyres, you could use 100% throttle at 100% lean (Pegs scraping) at peak power on a good bit of tarmac and not come off.

Trackday.

Really?? Cos I found the back would start to slide and you'd have to catch it on your knee and lift it slightly - this is on perfectly decent GPR70 SP's on a very mint CBR250.

[beyond]

That is far too black and white. Once you can see out of the corner, on a CBR250RR with good tyres, you could use 100% throttle at 100% lean (Pegs scraping) at peak power on a good bit of tarmac and not come off.

Trackday.

Only answer for that is the pegs are too low

[boomer]

Really?? Cos I found the back would start to slide and you'd have to catch it on your knee and lift it slightly - this is on perfectly decent GPR70 SP's on a very mint CBR250.

You've been watchin fuckin movies again haven't ya Arpu.... Why don't you tell it like you do it... accelerate the tits of ya bike until a corner appears, brake like there's no tomorrow then coast around.. repeat until..

• a. you annoy someone
• b. you annoy someone
• c. you annoy someone
• d. you annoy someone
• e... i think you get the picture

[Kittyhawk]

I've had close calls even on straight roads with cars/livestock pulling out.

As for corners, and blind corners, if I can't see I slow down. I'm a nana, rather be a nana and safe one at that. Than clock up $$ worth of damage on my bike or to anyone else for that matter.

Usually I ride within my limits.

But sometimes situations can't be controled so you have to always be prepared and have eyes at the back of your head.

[scracha]

*edit: oops. Justsomeguy submitted his comment just as I started writing this one. The only thing I would add is: when you're in a lean, the best thing to do is use just the front brake, and avoid the back completely - if you lock the back, you'll probably highside when you come back off of it*

bwahahahaaha. This is bait no?

Also - you probably want to avoid using the rear break as much as possible when you are in a lean!

Yeah, cos controlling a front end slide is so much easier than the rear

[limbimtimwim]

Really?? Cos I found the back would start to slide and you'd have to catch it on your knee and lift it slightly - this is on perfectly decent GPR70 SP's on a very mint CBR250.

I'm making the assumption that the CBR is very similar to my RVF. Of course, smaller and lighter. If I could on my 400, surely a 250 could do it? I had BT-090s on it. No way someone with my inept skill level could do that on the 750. You were saving it with your knee? You should be in MotoGP. I would have fallen off.

Only answer for that is the pegs are too low

Yes, quite possibly. The pegs came down early on the RVF, but I am a bit of a fatty. Hanging off more might have helped.