Exclusion of Motards from F1, F2 & F3: Good or bad?

**spudchucka** · 7th January 2007, 13:57

Originally Posted by dangerous

Its a safty thing now due to numbers, one death could mean the end of it for every one.

Just restrict the numbers, make it the top ten qualifiers only get to race in other classes. I think it adds a lot of value to the racing.

**Ivan** · 7th January 2007, 14:29

Originally Posted by RG100!!

I would be hard pushed to believe that the Britten out handled a superbike of the same Era.

Just watching a short video of it coming around a bend, with the front chattering the whole way is enough to lead me to believe that it wasnt so great in the handlng department.

But, i could be wrong. Maybe i should ask Andrew Stroud next time i see him at the track..??

Ummmmmmm
Maybe you could ask Shaun he raced it at the isle of mann
And Andrew Stroud well look at it at Daytona first time it wheel stands past Doug Chandler on the Factory Ducati and only DNFD because a wire broke.
Maybe the front chattering is poor suspension setup when it was in the prototype stage of development.

Also Yes what about Jason Eastons Tig Craft its a YZF450 in a 125 GP bike chassis its a GP bike not a Formula Bike kinda like us on our 125s we take differnt lines, and were Grand Prix bikes does that mean we cant cross enter into a formula class I feel a few motarders might want to say something about this not us as we are going to always say lets do it for our own class

And also what about motard Superduke thing its cross between a motard and a super duke ive seen them motarding alot its more a road bike is that aloud to cross enter?

**scott411** · 7th January 2007, 16:05

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

But the way some of the 'motard' guys ride now is FUCKING SHITE. For example...Wanganui is faster and more flowing than a lot of people think....I was blown away by how many times I was nearly cut in two by some absolute retard homo doing his (her?) best impression of 'Motard Racer Extraordinaire'.....trying to square off fast corners with a foot out, wheel locked....in the fucking WAY:

i was suprised how much corner speed i had to carry at wanganui and how fast it actually was, i was expecting it to be more point and shoot

RIders cause problems not bikes,

when they reg flagged race 1 when Squid went down in turn one he did that tiring to pass me and another rider, he went in way to late and paid the price, he has raced GSXR1000's as well so its not just a motard thing,

i agree with you about the size of our class, we need to have more dedicated motard meetings with a dirt section, with quads involved as well and even pit bikes to pad the numbers out, but at the moment it is a 50/50 calll to run a motard meeting with the numbers that turn up and the track and set up costs.

**sAsLEX** · 7th January 2007, 16:26

Originally Posted by Ivan

Maybe the front chattering is poor suspension setup when it was in the prototype stage of development.

It had a front linkage type suspension didn't it? Not forks.....and they are incredibly hard to tune from what I have read but are a better option than forks when set up correctly

**Ivan** · 7th January 2007, 17:42

most likely it did and would havebeen hard to set up but those guys were pretty onto it

**Rashika** · 7th January 2007, 19:01

Originally Posted by scott411

Motards are proping up road racing in the country at the moment, with out the 30-40 entries they birng in (not counting the 2nd set of entry's when we are allowed)

I was planning on doing the NElson Street race next year, but if it comes to bear that i will only get 2 races in a day i will not drive that far, simple,

i am not saying i should get to enter 5 classes, but 2 would be nice, if i am not allowed to put my leg out in f3 then thats ok as well.

maybe there are a lot up north, but the numbers are still copeable down here... tho the sooner they (the motards) have their own dedicated class, the better for everyone I think. I'm kinda glad I mostly do BEARS meets, with only occasional Canterbury meets.

And you needn't worry about how many races you would have got at Nelson... 5 times as many as me on the bucket, sound fair does it?

Nelson st race 2007
Motards =5 races
F1,2,3, = 3 races
Post classic = 2 races (uncluding the combined one)
Buckets =1 race...
unless you call that fkd up all in bollocks of post, classic and buckets altogether a race
Total of 3 races for the day, and I had 2 bikes entered in 2 DIFFERENT classes

Sorry, shouldn't bitch about it anymore...

back on topic.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 7th January 2007, 19:08

Originally Posted by Rashika

Sorry, shouldn't bitch about it anymore...

back on topic.

Eh? Fucking hell mate...this is THE best place to bitch and moan!

**Rashika** · 7th January 2007, 19:19

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Eh? Fucking hell mate...this is THE best place to bitch and moan!

yeah true... and i would still be bitching in your case too, that was a shit of a thing to pull on you in that auckland race, but whaddaya expect, they are Aucklanders afterall

hiding now

**Crasherfromwayback** · 7th January 2007, 19:25

Originally Posted by Rashika

yeah true... and i would still be bitching in your case too, that was a shit of a thing to pull on you in that auckland race, but whaddaya expect, they are Aucklanders afterall

hiding now

No need to hide mate!
Auckland was the ONLY place I ever encountered that sort of 'mentality'....
Masterton...Sweet Gisborne....Sweet Wanganui....Sweet.

Auckland? Sorry MATE.....Not COOL ENOUGH FOR OUR STREET RACE!

**gav** · 7th January 2007, 21:12

Originally Posted by Ivan

Ummmmmmm
Maybe you could ask Shaun he raced it at the isle of mann
And Andrew Stroud well look at it at Daytona first time it wheel stands past Doug Chandler on the Factory Ducati and only DNFD because a wire broke.
Maybe the front chattering is poor suspension setup when it was in the prototype stage of development.

Also Yes what about Jason Eastons Tig Craft its a YZF450 in a 125 GP bike chassis its a GP bike not a Formula Bike kinda like us on our 125s we take differnt lines, and were Grand Prix bikes does that mean we cant cross enter into a formula class I feel a few motarders might want to say something about this not us as we are going to always say lets do it for our own class

And also what about motard Superduke thing its cross between a motard and a super duke ive seen them motarding alot its more a road bike is that aloud to cross enter?

You might want to replay your video, thats wasnt Doug Chandler, and it wasnt a FACTORY Ducati. The factory race bikes run in the Superbike class, privateer teams run in the Pro Twins event as did the Britten.
The Tigcraft isnt a 125 GP bike chassis, havent you been shown the difference before?

**Ivan** · 7th January 2007, 22:41

Originally Posted by gav

You might want to replay your video, thats wasnt Doug Chandler, and it wasnt a FACTORY Ducati. The factory race bikes run in the Superbike class, privateer teams run in the Pro Twins event as did the Britten.
The Tigcraft isnt a 125 GP bike chassis, havent you been shown the difference before?

Ok well he it was a good bike and he did wheelstand by.

Yes I know the Tig Craft runs its own frame but everything else is RS125 I know the bike well,

I was just trying to state a point and thats its a motox engine in a custom frame does that mean its not eligable for F3

**Toast** · 8th January 2007, 12:01

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Just restrict the numbers, make it the top ten qualifiers only get to race in other classes. I think it adds a lot of value to the racing.

I reckon that this is a choice idea. Since there is little or no prizemoney at the meets, this would make where you place more valuable, give some reward for going hard.

**ManDownUnder** · 8th January 2007, 12:09

Without reading anything that's gone before in this thread - I personally think motards should be in their own race class, and possibly in a class where all participants acknowledge and accept the different styles of riding will be present on the track.

To forceably include them into a race so it materially affects the style of riding for the road bikes (or the motards) is craziness. It's great to watch but I'll happily forgo that spectacle for a faster, smoother and cleaner F2 race.

Keep the competition "pure"

**idleidolidyll** · 8th January 2007, 15:28

Oh goody, lets ban taking different lines and riding different styles now huh?
While we're at it, lets punish those smart folk who choose the best bike to win a class.

Someone better tell Rossi if he ever rides here that he has to take 125 lines and never back his GP bike into a corner or spin/slide it out or we'll invent a whoile new class just for Valentino Rossi.

This is a dumb thread

**dangerous** · 8th January 2007, 16:53

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

Oh goody, lets ban taking different lines and riding different styles now huh?
While we're at it, lets punish those smart folk who choose the best bike to win a class.

Someone better tell Rossi if he ever rides here that he has to take 125 lines and never back his GP bike into a corner or spin/slide it out or we'll invent a whoile new class just for Valentino Rossi.

This is a dumb thread

Man... I think there is only one thing dumb round here

Were and who does it say "lets ban taking different lines and riding different styles" ???

Smart folk huh! mate what kinda shit are you on... people ride/race the bike they do because thats what they enjoy

And with the Rossi remark... now ya have lost it