Westpac Rescue Helicopter Charity Ride under threat

**KLOWN** · 7th February 2007, 10:50

Originally Posted by vifferman

Plus it was actually four (4) words anyway.
How come you can spell apostrophe, but not abbreviation? :spudwhat:

lucky guess I guess

**RiderInBlack** · 7th February 2007, 11:33

Fu*k bloody Transit NZ. Don't think those fu*kers want bikes on the road or are willing to be supportive of motorsport. They held up Hampton Downs and now they want ta bugger Chartity rides. What's next? Banning Street Racing, Poker Runs and Toy Runs due to traffic control problems?

Transit NZ, Harden The Fu*K Up!

**ManDownUnder** · 7th February 2007, 11:41

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

Fu*k bloody Transit NZ. Don't think those fu*kers want bikes on the road or are willing to be supportive of motorsport. They held up Hampton Downs and now they want ta bugger Chartity rides. What's next? Banning Street Racing, Poker Runs and Toy Runs due to traffic control problems?

Transit NZ, Harden The Fu*K Up!

Transit - too much power + too much time = rules, regulations and restrictive practices?

**Patrick** · 7th February 2007, 14:44

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

I see why you call yourself a Clown.

Didn't read post 25 did ya?....

Ixions right... so what if the on ramps aren't closed off by the Police or paid marshalls... Like Nike says... "Just Do It."

What is anyone going to do about it if an impromtu ride suddenly appeared?

Like 1500 bikes appearing on the motorway on a Sunday (even in Auckland...) is going to create a problem.

**Dai** · 7th February 2007, 14:53

Originally Posted by Patrick

Didn't read post 25 did ya?....

Ixions right... so what if the on ramps aren't closed off by the Police or paid marshalls... Like Nike says... "Just Do It."

What is anyone going to do about it if an impromtu ride suddenly appeared?

Like 1500 bikes appearing on the motorway on a Sunday (even in Auckland...) is going to create a problem.

Is it written into the laws of NZ that we are allowed the right of congregation.

One of the first things a facist government does is to limit the number of people that can legally congregate.

I'm guessing that there are laws that can be utilised to stop large numbers of any group meeting at the same place. The "Boy Racer" laws seem to spring to mind.

**thehovel** · 7th February 2007, 15:46

BE NICE!!!!

The cops have DONATED they time for the last 12years. I wonder if they are aloud to use the company vehicle outside working hours. AGAIN BE NICE TO Mr PLOD

Richard 1420

**Patrick** · 7th February 2007, 16:50

Originally Posted by Dai

I'm guessing that there are laws that can be utilised to stop large numbers of any group meeting at the same place. The "Boy Racer" laws seem to spring to mind.

Ummm... NO!

The boy racer laws are there to put a stop to hoodie types (and the odd businessman, ay, Mr Rae???) from doing burnouts and racing on public roads...

**Ixion** · 7th February 2007, 17:06

As far as I am aware, there are very few laws that could be invoked to prevent a large number of motorcyclists assembling in an orderly fashion and riding , legally and carefully within the speed limit to a common destination. There are a very few laws still on the books from the 1930s that can be used to ban ANY assembly, but it would be a bold cop indeed who decided to try to resurrect any of them.

Cops could hold up the bikes for a reasonable time, releasing them in "batches", but that would be easily overcome - and of course if the cops are going to have to get involved anyway, then they are right back where they started.

Similarly cops could use some of their "boy racer" tactics, checking regos, licences etc , to harass people, but the negative publicity doing that at a charity run would be career limiting

Basically, if I post up here saying "I'm going for a sedate ride from Karaka to the North Shore, anyone want to join me ", I commit no offence.

If I add" By the way ,it would be cool if anyone who does come along made a donation to $WORTHY_CAUSE", still no offence.

If 2000 other bikers read my post and roll up on the day , still no offence.

And if said 2000 bikers then proceed in a lawabiding and careful fashion , still no offence.

We don't need the motorway entrances closed off. If cages want to take their chances amidst 2000 bikes - well, up to them.

The closing of the entrances and the police keeping the speed down to a slow crawl is for the benefit of the puiblic not the bikers. If the cops don't want to do it, so what.

**Will** · 7th February 2007, 18:56

Originally Posted by Ixion

If the cops don't want to do it, so what.

The cops are happy helping out.

It is TRANSIT that is the problem. It has come to their attention that the ramps are being closed off by "marshalls" who are just helping out for the day.

Transit are saying that from next year, the ramps will have to stopped by paid people who are qualified in such matters and that it will have to be advertised, warning everyone that the motorway will be closed. Hence the $10,000.00 cost. There is also a Traffic Management Plan to do but compared to the $10,000.00, it is not such a hurdle.

**Chisanga** · 7th February 2007, 19:04

Originally Posted by Will

Transit are saying that from next year, the ramps will have to stopped by paid people who are qualified in such matters and that it will have to be advertised, warning everyone that the motorway will be closed. Hence the $10,000.00 cost. There is also a Traffic Management Plan to do but compared to the $10,000.00, it is not such a hurdle.

How qualified do you actually have to be to hold up a sign that says "Stop", turn around look to see the last bike has passed then spin aforementioned sign around to read "Go".

Oh, yeah then step out the way

**Ixion** · 7th February 2007, 19:14

Originally Posted by Will

The cops are happy helping out.

It is TRANSIT that is the problem. It has come to their attention that the ramps are being closed off by "marshalls" who are just helping out for the day.

Transit are saying that from next year, the ramps will have to stopped by paid people who are qualified in such matters and that it will have to be advertised, warning everyone that the motorway will be closed. Hence the $10,000.00 cost. There is also a Traffic Management Plan to do but compared to the $10,000.00, it is not such a hurdle.

So, they don't close the ramps. No people, no cost, problem is? But my observation is that the closed ramps always had a cop present.

And technically the motorway isn't closed. the onramps are stopped for a few minutes but the motorway is open. If someone had been stopped on the shoulder they could continue. And occasionally faster cars coming up behinds have ended up mingling with the tailenders.

But if the motorway is a problem (don't see it is myself) just go down the Gt South Rd.

Anyway , if it's Transit, that figures just part of their pathological warfare against bikes. I know some names at Transit. Letter coming up . Long letter.

I don't see why cops OR Transit need to be involved. Sure, if it's organised by the little old nannies at Ulysses, they prolly wouldn't dare think of doing anything without Official Sanction. So, let the BWB take it over. Ignore officialdom, just do it.

**KLOWN** · 7th February 2007, 19:30

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

I see why you call yourself a Clown.

except clowns are funny. and I have a cop bashing mental illness, Know me before you judge me (grub)

**scracha** · 7th February 2007, 20:48

Originally Posted by Chisanga

How qualified do you actually have to be to hold up a sign that says "Stop", turn around look to see the last bike has passed then spin aforementioned sign around to read "Go".

Maybe something to do with Fulton "kiwi mafia" Hogan

**Dadpole** · 7th February 2007, 21:32

Originally Posted by Chisanga

How qualified do you actually have to be to hold up a sign that says "Stop", turn around look to see the last bike has passed then spin aforementioned sign around to read "Go".

Oh, yeah then step out the way

I had to get one recently. Paid for, so I don't know the cost but it consisted of sitting on my arse all day listening to some git droning on. All those who did not fall asleep got their fancy laminated card.

**KLOWN** · 7th February 2007, 21:56

Originally Posted by Dadpole

I had to get one recently. Paid for, so I don't know the cost but it consisted of sitting on my arse all day listening to some git droning on. All those who did not fall asleep got their fancy laminated card.

they tricked you. that was the test. To see if you fell asleep or not. So you can hold a stop go sign all day and not fall asleep