Not guilty (Police sex case verdict, 1 March)

[unhingedlizard]

No but the NZ justice sytem as a whole including our piss poor sentancing to our luxury jails, its all very week and pathetic

That is true. 25to life, out in 5 for good behaviour??!!

How can you have good behaviour in prison? When I was young good behaviour was not swearing, eating your greens and, most inportantly, not going to jail.

[terbang]

Revictimised? Maybe... but 7 times????? Ummm.....

Scholum and Shipton have been accused three times as well, by three different people and convicted on one of them.. Rickards has been accused at least twice..Ummmmm. So LN is not the only one accusing eh and yet the same old three keep popping up acused of rape..Hmmmm. Nah no way they would be involved, it's those accusing girls who are at fault of course. They consented, as young as 14, to having adult males, police males sticking batons into them and taking turns on them but of course it was consensual so its OK, innit? But why those three that always seem to get accused and not any other copper..?

[unhingedlizard]

Not wanting to argue here but maybe some of these girls have come forward making storys up because they beleive a miscarrage of justice has happened in the LN case. After all, people see John of god and such. Doesnt seem to take much to make people fervourantly believe in something these days.
Not my view but worth thinking about.

[Patrick]

Scholum and Shipton have been accused three times as well, by three different people and convicted on one of them.. Rickards has been accused at least twice..Ummmmm. So LN is not the only one accusing eh and yet the same old three keep popping up acused of rape..Hmmmm. Nah no way they would be involved, it's those accusing girls who are at fault of course. They consented, as young as 14, to having adult males, police males sticking batons into them and taking turns on them but of course it was consensual so its OK, innit? But why those three that always seem to get accused and not any other copper..?

Don't know if they all know each other?
Don't know if it was because they gave defence evidence about a group sexathon with LN at another cops trial wheree she got upset about it all?

Do know of a girl here who was having a good time with 5 sailor boys, giving one a blowjob... when another took a photo of the action, she got shitty and made rape allegations when they wouldn't delete the photo... the photo actually saved thier arses as it showed she was having a good time, smiling etc......

Don't know if all three keep on coming up because the girls have changed their attitudes and now think what they got up to earlier might be seen as immoral?

Don't know if they were raped at all...

Do know that CR shouldn't keep his job, but it will cost a huge amount (better than a Lotto win) to move him on.

[Guitana]

You will probably find they all share the same shrink!!!!!

[denill]

At least he's an innocent cunt

They were not found to be 'Innocent"!

They were found to be 'Not Guilty' - (beyond reasonable doubt.)

[MisterD]

They were not found to be 'Innocent"!

They were found to be 'Not Guilty' - (beyond reasonable doubt.)

The law says you are innocent until proven guilty therefore:

Not Guilty = Innocent.

[Guitana]

They were not found to be 'Innocent"!

They were found to be 'Not Guilty' - (beyond reasonable doubt.)

Same fucken thing!!!!

[denill]

Same fucken thing!!!!

Because the prosecution did not prove to the jury that they were guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt' - does not mean that they didn't 'do it' !!

Think about it !!

[Guitana]

Because the prosecution did not prove to the jury that they were guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt' - does not mean that they didn't 'do it' !!

Think about it !!

So prove otherwise ya can't can ya!! I have thought about it I've been watching the goings on since the beginning! The way the media had a feild day at the expense of the NZ Police.
Fuck if I was a cop and a TV execs house was being burgaled I'd take my time getting there!!
Every fuckers carrying on like all police are rapists and thugs and not to be trusted, that's fucken gratitude when you're on the beat getting abused spat at and assaulted for doing your job!!!!

[denill]

So prove otherwise ya can't can ya!!

Of course I can't. That is the point. I do not know if 'they' are guilty or innocent. I wasn't there and as in all cases of this nature - guilt or innocence is practically impossible to prove.

The jury foreman said "Not (proven) guilty your honor".

He did not say "They are innocent your honor" and THERE IS a difference!

You don't KNOW that they are innocent!

[scumdog]

Of course I can't. That is the point. I do not know if 'they' are guilty or innocent. I wasn't there and as in all cases of this nature - guilt or innocence is practically impossible to prove.

The jury foreman said "Not (proven) guilty your honor".

He did not say "They are innocent your honor" and THERE IS a difference!

You don't KNOW that they are innocent!

And you don't KNOW they are guilty.

The jury foreman did NOT say "Not proven guilty", stop stirring.

I bet you'ld love it if YOU were accused of anything that you were actually innocent of and after the trial people said "Ooooh, recons he never did it but the jury said it was just he wasn't proved guilty"

[denill]

And you don't KNOW they are guilty.

The jury foreman did NOT say "Not proven guilty", stop stirring.

I bet you'ld love it if YOU were accused of anything that you were actually innocent of and after the trial people said "Ooooh, recons he never did it but the jury said it was just he wasn't proved guilty"

How about reading what I wrote ?? Before launching in defense.

So prove otherwise ya can't can ya!!

Of course I can't. That is the point. I do not know if 'they' are guilty or innocent. I wasn't there and as in all cases of this nature - guilt or innocence is practically impossible to prove.

[denill]

The jury foreman did NOT say "Not proven guilty", stop stirring.

You are being obtuse.

The jury foreman said "Not (proven) guilty your honor".

"proven" is in italics (and brackets!) and surely most took it as the (always) unspoken inference in the Foreman's statement.

[scumdog]

You are being obtuse. "proven" is in italics (and brackets!) and surely most took it as the (always) unspoken inference in the Foreman's statement.

You can't speak for 'most' - only yourself (who also seems to have slanted view) UNLESS others have delegated you as spokesman for them.

Every time a foreman of the jury says "Not Guilty" he is not implying 'Not Proven Guilty', yet you seem to want to portray he IS.