Bloody cyclists

[Wolf]

The point being that the people on the bike rides (or car club drives) don't claim that dangerous/illegal/inconsiderate behaviour is justified by the "need' to train for racing.

In fact, large groups of motorbikes ride together quite regularly and have no problems riding at a legal pace in proper staggered formation, staying on their side of the road and behaving pretty much as the other road users expect them to.

It might surprise some people on this thread, but actually obeying the road rules is advantageous - gets rid of the "he scared the shit out of me and I panicked" factor.

I've been on quite a number of group rides over the years and we haven't had accidents, fatalities or abusive car drivers - we've had a great time. Last group ride was at night and in the rain and there were no issues with other traffic.

I've seen some individual motorcyclists and groups of motorcyclists behave arrogantly and/or dangerously but I don't think it is justifiable.

I don't think the arrogant and dangerous behaviour I've seen from some cagers and some truckies is justifiable, either.

[yungatart]

You've never actually ridden up a mountain on a bicycle, have you?

It's just not the same.

Actually, I have!
Who the hell are you to presume you know about me and what I've done?
You've never even met me!
Go back to your bowl, swimming in mindless circles, Fish!

[KLOWN]

anyone watch SCU last night? A cyclist was killed by a car. He was going along upper habour highway (i think) cyclist was well left, in the shoulder infact, and subaru car driver cut left hand bend and hit and killed cyclist. He was completly at fault (car driver) and his punishment was $1000 reperation 200 hours community service and 6months disqualification. This is absolute bollocks, I got worse punishment for driving while disquailified and this guy killed someone. what a stupid stupid law system we have. I think it should be at least 5 years of disqualification it you are completly at fault. what a joke.

[forkoil]

Actually, I have!
Who the hell are you to presume you know about me and what I've done?
You've never even met me!
Go back to your bowl, swimming in mindless circles, Fish!

My guess he assumed from some of the 'stuff' you were writing here

[forkoil]

In fact, large groups of motorbikes ride together quite regularly and have no problems riding at a legal pace in proper staggered formation, staying on their side of the road and behaving pretty much as the other road users expect them to.

It might surprise some people on this thread, but actually obeying the road rules is advantageous - gets rid of the "he scared the shit out of me and I panicked" factor.

I've been on quite a number of group rides over the years and we haven't had accidents, fatalities or abusive car drivers - we've had a great time. Last group ride was at night and in the rain and there were no issues with other traffic.

I've seen some individual motorcyclists and groups of motorcyclists behave arrogantly and/or dangerously but I don't think it is justifiable.

I don't think the arrogant and dangerous behaviour I've seen from some cagers and some truckies is justifiable, either.

As usual Wolf (nothings changed), you are equating oranges with pears (you're the pear). SOME groups of cyclists are riding in a group (bunch) not because they are just having jolly good fun out on a Sun afternoon ride, but because they are training. That means learning to ride safely in a bunch, on the 'wheel' of the bike in front, to reduce drag, and to be ready both to take their place at the front (where all the hard work is done pushing the wind), and to be ready if someone tries a break. This is necessary training for a competitive cyclist. Thats not to say ALL bunches of cyclists are well behaved, just as any other group of road users are. But you and others of your ilk brand and demonise all cyclists and generalise, which really starts to piss some people in here off, those who actually cycle and ride m'bikes. You persist in your childish and pedantic 'one size fits all' rants that just show up your shortcomings. For the good of us all, please expand that mind of yours past the 'Thats the law and if you dont follow the law to the letter your a waste of space wanker' and the 'all vehicles on the road are the same, behave the same, and their drivers should all act the same' bullshit....

[MSTRS:Me]

As usual Wolf (nothings changed), you are equating oranges with pears (you're the pear). SOME groups of cyclists are riding in a group (bunch) not because they are just having jolly good fun out on a Sun afternoon ride, but because they are training. That means learning to ride safely in a bunch, on the 'wheel' of the bike in front, to reduce drag, and to be ready both to take their place at the front (where all the hard work is done pushing the wind), and to be ready if someone tries a break. This is necessary training for a competitive cyclist. Thats not to say ALL bunches of cyclists are well behaved, just as any other group of road users are. But you and others of your ilk brand and demonise all cyclists and generalise, which really starts to piss some people in here off, those who actually cycle and ride m'bikes. You persist in your childish and pedantic 'one size fits all' rants that just show up your shortcomings. For the good of us all, please expand that mind of yours past the 'Thats the law and if you dont follow the law to the letter your a waste of space wanker' and the 'all vehicles on the road are the same, behave the same, and their drivers should all act the same' bullshit....

With comments like that, you prove that you can read but, sadly, lack the ability to comprehend. Or you are just trolling.

[forkoil]

With comments like that, you prove that you can read but, sadly, lack the ability to comprehend. Or you are just trolling.

Well thats trend of Wolf's comments.
You Mstrs, lost my attention when you said you wanted to punch a cyclists lights out because he dared to lean his bike against your car. Now if that doesnt betray an extreme view I dont know what is. Either that or you should enrol yourself at an anger management course...

[imdying]

Well thats trend of Wolf's comments.
You Mstrs, lost my attention when you said you wanted to punch a cyclists lights out because he dared to lean his bike against your car. Now if that doesnt betray an extreme view I dont know what is. Either that or you should enrol yourself at an anger management course...

Fuck that, that's entirely perspective. Some would find that quite reasonable. I wouldn't waste my time getting out of the car to punch them though, just let them take off first and nudge them a little (read a lot).

[forkoil]

Fuck that, that's entirely perspective. Some would find that quite reasonable. I wouldn't waste my time getting out of the car to punch them though, just let them take off first and nudge them a little (read a lot).

You are under 30 and from Chch, both mitigating factors in your opinion

[yungatart]

You Mstrs, lost my attention when you said you wanted to punch a cyclists lights out because he dared to lean his bike against your car. Now if that doesnt betray an extreme view I dont know what is. Either that or you should enrol yourself at an anger management course...

What is wrong with wanting to vent at someone who, without permission, decides to use your car as a leaning post! This cyclist showed no respect for someone else's possessions - kind of demonstrates more than adequately the attitude displayed on the road - a total lack of respect!
Neither Mstrs nor me, have a problem with cyclists (or other road users), who are considerate or law abiding, however we both get pissy with people who think they own the road - no matter what form of transport they are using!How would you react if I came and parked my pushy, motorcycle or car touching your pride and joy? Impressed? Happy? Not bothered? I doubt it!

[imdying]

You are under 30 and from Chch, both mitigating factors in your opinion

Well your profile says you're a linux fag, so I guess we're going to write you off too...

[Spyke]

well i've been riding a bicycle since i was 4 and have wanted a motorbike for the last 5 years, i'm nearly at the stage of getting one but at the moment im still riding a push bike.
i think normal cyclist that dont race get bord when they ride cause they cant go fast unless goin down a steep twisty hill .

i have riden two abrest but i try and keep on the left side of the left line wich can be tricky when theres cars parked where you are supposed to ride.

most of the time i find myself looking behind myself to see if a car is coming to see if they have room to go by, normally they do, this is when riding my bike with about 50cm of road thats safe or not smeared in glass you have to be careful.

can you guys imagen riding a motorbike having a road only 1m wide, that would be very hard.

i will never try and excuse the idiots that ride 4 abrest and do stupid things though.

its hard for me when i see a guy ride past me on a gsxr 250, i wish i had that power to play with, but all i have is a bike thatl do a good 45km on the flat (good for burning fat)

tips for a bored cyclist: when you find yourself swerving in between the white lines at intersections look behind you before you do it your crossing the path of cars. or if theres no motorbike/cars behind you try poping up a wheelie its rather easy if you can balance (get good at doing wheelies before doing them on any public road).

my experience as a cyclist

[MSTRS:Me]

Well thats trend of Wolf's comments.
You Mstrs, lost my attention when you said you wanted to punch a cyclists lights out because he dared to lean his bike against your car. Now if that doesnt betray an extreme view I dont know what is. Either that or you should enrol yourself at an anger management course...

I think most of us would agree that arrogant road users come in all modes of transport. It is unfortunate that there does seem to be a preponderance of them in the form of roadracing cyclists tho. This attitude is not only displayed on the road - I was attending a bike meet some years ago and at the parking area afterwards, some dickwad leaned his (poxy) Cannondale against my car. On being told to move it or I would , his response was that close from earning him a smack in the mouth. That some cyclists believe they have a god-given right to do whatever they want is what upsets me.

Have another read, and this time try real hard to comprehend. Misquoting me just makes you look foolish.

[Wolf]

I also do not condone cyclists behaving irresponsibly, arrogantly and dangerously, such as blocking roads without warning, failing to move over into single file when a motor vehicle approaches from behind, turning without checking it is safe to do so or signalling intent for the mandatory 3 seconds etc.

I agree wholeheartedly, and as a group when I was cycling on training rides we always did this, but when racing thats a bit of a different kettle of fish. Racing was usually done over a circuit of country roads based around the clubhouse. Most times bunches racing would be at most two abreast, but at critical times, like when a "break" was starting, on a hill or near the finish line sometimes they would go 3-4 abreast for short periods.

...But I agree if they werent racing then they should have moved to at least 2 abreast.

SOME groups of cyclists are riding in a group (bunch) not because they are just having jolly good fun out on a Sun afternoon ride, but because they are training. That means learning to ride safely in a bunch, on the 'wheel' of the bike in front, to reduce drag, and to be ready both to take their place at the front (where all the hard work is done pushing the wind), and to be ready if someone tries a break. This is necessary training for a competitive cyclist.

And, by your own admission, if they are training then they should move back to two abreast when a vehicle approaches. Try being consistent.

But you and others of your ilk brand and demonise all cyclists and generalise, which really starts to piss some people in here off, those who actually cycle and ride m'bikes. You persist in your childish and pedantic 'one size fits all' rants that just show up your shortcomings. For the good of us all, please expand that mind of yours past the 'Thats the law and if you dont follow the law to the letter your a waste of space wanker' and the 'all vehicles on the road are the same, behave the same, and their drivers should all act the same' bullshit....

You mean as opposed to rants of the "I don't care what you say they were doing, they're cyclists and therefore above the law" persuasion?

Try a remedial reading course and re-read my posts (I can't be arsed repeating myself) then follow it up with a bit of self-assessment.

No matter what dangerous, arrogant and disrespectful behaviour is complained about, you have turned around and said "Oh, that's permissable, that's "our" right, you bastards have no respect for us".

And it's "apples and apples" - "vehicles on the road" and "vehicles on the road". Or pears and pears, if you prefer. An "apple" to my "pear" would be a vehicle racing on a designated race track cf my vehicle on the road.

Here's hoping that someday when you're exercising your assertion that you don't have to obey the law you get stopped by a cop and get ticketted - I feel it would be most amusing to read your whiney rant about the 'Thats the law and if you dont follow the law to the letter your a waste of space wanker' and the 'all vehicles on the road are the same, behave the same, and their drivers should all act the same' bullshit mentality of the cop...

[Wolf]

anyone watch SCU last night? A cyclist was killed by a car. He was going along upper habour highway (i think) cyclist was well left, in the shoulder infact, and subaru car driver cut left hand bend and hit and killed cyclist. He was completly at fault (car driver) and his punishment was $1000 reperation 200 hours community service and 6months disqualification. This is absolute bollocks, I got worse punishment for driving while disquailified and this guy killed someone. what a stupid stupid law system we have. I think it should be at least 5 years of disqualification it you are completly at fault. what a joke.

What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?

"Gifted".


What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 25?

"Your Honour".

Was it actually reparation to the bereft family or was it a fine that was pocketed by our thieving "Justice" system?

Fuck being a cop.

Seriously, fuck that for a job. Bust your nuts pulling in drop-kicks like that and have some mouth-breather of a Judge let the pricks off with a slap on the back of the hand.