Smacking kids?

[MisterD]

..and another thing.

According to at least one legal opinion, once the protection of "reasonable force" is removed, you won't even be able to physically force a child into time out.

This bill is just the straight out result of some very woolly-headed thinking indeed.

[Squeak the Rat]

..and another thing.

According to at least one legal opinion, once the protection of "reasonable force" is removed, you won't even be able to physically force a child into time out.

This bill is just the straight out result of some very woolly-headed thinking indeed.

No no no, that's not what it means according to doctorate of law Sue Bradford.

[MSTRS:Me]

Come on guys, don't hassle sue.

Indeed. She read a book once (by Dr Spock, I think it was) and she knows so much better than real parents....

[Finn]

Sweet Sophie doesn't sound so Sweet anymore, i feel so mislead

I was just trying to get my point across... didn't mean no harm. Sorry Jim2

[Damon]

I was just trying to get my point across... didn't mean no harm. Sorry Jim2

feew! my world has returned to normal again

[MisterD]

No no no, that's not what it means according to doctorate of law Sue Bradford.

Well she knows more about the law than me, I've never been arrested, have no convictions against my name and have never seen the inside of a prison.

[James Deuce]

Oh so you're angry? So what are you going to do about it Jim2, smack me?

Haha. Left-wing feminazi alert (if we're going to go down the name calling route).

Did you read my post and understand, or do you think that it is optional and that you should do your best to make mileage out of non-contextual quotes?

Try to turn up to a battle of wits with a full load please, not a political agenda.

[James Deuce]

I was just trying to get my point across... didn't mean no harm. Sorry Jim2

Sarcasm is a tactic employed in desperation.

[Finn]

Haha. Left-wing feminazi alert (if we're going to go down the name calling route).

Did you read my post and understand, or do you think that it is optional and that you should do your best to make mileage out of non-contextual quotes?

Try to turn up to a battle of wits with a full load please, not a political agenda.

Hmmmm angry NZ male with a short temper. I wonder if this is the cause of your troublesome child?

I'm not a feminist nor am I a left winger. I just don't agree with smacking kids - full stop. While I am against any government playing god as is the case here perhaps this bill may cause parents ruling with an iron fist to think twice about how they discipline their children. Can't be that bad can it?

[Squeak the Rat]

While I am against any government playing god as is the case here perhaps this bill may cause parents ruling with an iron fist to think twice about how they discipline their children. Can't be that bad can it?

That part isn't. The problem is the part that affects the 95% of NZ parents who are doing a good job.

You cannot make laws that are open to interpretation. Well, you can, but you need to be prepared for the courts to interpret them which may be different than the original intention.

Most people arguing against the bill would be perfectly happy to have a line drawn in the sand so that the people who beat their kids do get prosecuted. It appears that those arguing for the bill either don't have kids or are lucky enough to have kids that respond positively to time-out.

[MSTRS:Me]

Hmmmm angry NZ male with a short temper. I wonder if this is the cause of your troublesome child?

I'm not a feminist nor am I a left winger. I just don't agree with smacking kids - full stop. While I am against any government playing god as is the case here perhaps this bill may cause parents ruling with an iron fist to think twice about how they discipline their children. Can't be that bad can it?

You really think that?

[Finn]

You really think that?

I did say perhaps and may. I can only hope.

[buellbabe]

Its pretty obvious that the majority of us share the same view...

I was smacked as a child and it never did me any harm...there is a big difference between discipline and abuse as we are all aware ( well most of us I hope! ).

As already said, the intention behind the bill is a good one but unfortunately its as misdirected as the whole stupid dog chipping bill.

Personally I don't think this law is gonna make a ounce of difference to the children its trying to protect.

[MSTRS:Me]

I did say perhaps and may. I can only hope.

A forlorn hope....making good parents into 'criminals' in the hope that abusive parents will stop. Sound realistic to you?

[MSTRS:Me]

.... its as misdirected as the whole stupid dog chipping bill.

Quite. Put about that once in place, it would stop dog attacks. Yeah right. Like the dog would know that chip meant 'behave'.