War?

[terbang]

Of course I was talking about Arabs under Islam. Hence last 1200-1000 years when Islam gained any serious clout. But as you can see your arguments don't hold water. With respect.

So what greatness have we, New Zealanders (a Dutch word I may add), done for the world in the last couple of centuries over the Arabs. I think his arguement does hold water. Inside our own religion we have had our share of atrocities comitted by fundamentalists (not the Monty Python version of the Spanish inquisituon either). Like christianity and Judaisim, Islam is also an honourable religion for its followers. The Muslim fundamentalists have certainly made themselves known in todays world but so have the Christian fundamentalists (GW Bush). Though people prefer not to see it that way, GWB is riding the christian crusade just as much as the Taliban and others rode the Muslim one. Different method of course but still a lot of death and suffering on both accounts.

[terbang]

Very very very loosely as I understand it. Ahebs wife couldn't have children, so he had a child to her maid servant. Then the wife fell pregnant and expelled the maidsevant and her child to the desert. This is where the Muslims came from. Ahebs family became the Jews . This is pretty loose and names have been changed to protect the innocent.

That explains the differences in religion. I was talking about race. Take a look at the noses for a start.

[Hans]

Sorry Terbang, but I just can't agree with what you've just said. Of course I am annoyed to fuck with religious and other fanaticisms. But I just can't see why you /and a lot of others/ put Bush on the same level as Stalin, Hitler et al. Please explain what makes him like them in your opinion.

[doc]

Islam is also an honourable religion for its followers. The Muslim fundamentalists have certainly made themselves known in todays world but so have the Christian fundamentalists (GW Bush). Though people prefer not to see it that way, GWB is riding the christian crusade just as much as the Taliban and others rode the Muslim one. Different method of course but still a lot of death and suffering on both accounts.

Ferk me . I can't agree about Iraq. You can't force democracy on people it's a majority decision. But how can you compare our modern christian beliefs against a Muslim extremist opinion that is still in the Dark ages with it's savagery and lack of education. In NZ democracy has been watered down by MMP, and look at the ridiculious political situation we have ended up with. Minorities are starting to run the system and waste too much of the governments time. Saddam had Iraq up and running. They at least had electricity and an infrastructure. We may not have agreed with it, but we are not Muslims.

[Hans]

Ferk me . But how can you compare our modern christian beliefs against a Muslim extremist opinion that is still in the Dark ages with it's savagery and lack of education.

Could you please leave me out of "our modern Christian beliefs" You've just shown the attitude that I really dislike. You seem to assume that "Christian" somehow means "our". I have nothing to do with "Christian".

In fact, I don't even know the fellah.

[doc]

That explains the differences in religion. I was talking about race. Take a look at the noses for a start.

Cmon get out of your glass palace. You don't do the Coro Loop so you can stop to hug trees. Splitting hairs between races or religion is getting a bit PC. We living in a Christian democracy enjoying the benefits, of having a different opinion to the ruling majority and being able to voice it. Try doing that in Iraq..... more than once.

[doc]

Could you please leave me out of "our modern Christian beliefs" You've just shown the attitude that I really dislike. You seem to assume that "Christian" somehow means "our". I have nothing to do with "Christian".

In fact, I don't even know the fellah.

Well go back to living where your beliefs lie. And hold these opinions.

[Hans]

We living in a Christian democracy enjoying the benefits, of having a different opinion to the ruling majority and being able to voice it.

Well go back to living where your beliefs lie. And hold these opinions.

Aren't you contradicting yourself more than a bit right there?

Oh, and I thought that one of the traits of a modern democracy is the separation of religion /or church/ and state?

[terbang]

Sorry Terbang, but I just can't agree with what you've just said.

For a start you'll have to get your nose out of CNN and BBC then perhaps try something like the rise and fall of the third reich (Shirer) for a few paralels in history. You could go and live in the middle east for a while too perhaps and listen to their side of the story.
Or we could just simply agree to disagree.

[Hans]

I'll quite happily agree to disagree.
I have a bit of personal experience too. Been to Israel, been to a few Arab countries and spent a bit of time in Kosovo. It's not all BBC and CNN.
Nice blog BTW.

[CM2005]

Name what the A-rabs have given the world in the last thousand years.

Choice tea towels mate!

[terbang]

Cmon get out of your glass palace. We living in a Christian democracy enjoying the benefits, of having a different opinion to the ruling majority and being able to voice it. Try doing that in Iraq..... more than once.

Glass palace, pffft.. I lived and worked in the middle east mate, kept my eyes open too and learnt a thing or two about our world that didn't make me all that comfortable being a so called democratic. So is Iraq now beter off..? Remember these people are different, they are desert people, Arab people, not like you and I and yet you sit there in your little comfy zone behind your keyboard judging the hell out of them, based on what? Television news, a gut feeling or hearsay..? How about looking at some of the positives that the Arab world has, do you know any? Have you looked..?

[CM2005]

if i get into the airforce im hoping to get posted to afghanistan, so i can learn about the language and culture.

[CM2005]

That explains the differences in religion. I was talking about race. Take a look at the noses for a start.

haha, i always give my tight fisted mate shit bout his nose being somehow related to his frugal ways

[Quartermile]

Israel, Kicks Ass, they get attacked by every country around them and fuck them up, so what their whole economy revolves around war, so does half of the US's.

Israelies are kick ass, they own everybody end of story!