Why am is this not suprising.

[Grahameeboy]

Crap crap crap. Nursing students years ago explained what your saying as. A nurse and a social worker come across a KB'r lying in the gutter next to broken bottle outside a bar bleeding with a serious heading injury and unconcious,the nurse turns to the socialworker and says this guy needs help. The social worker says no who ever did this needs help. You are never going to fix the "Kahui" problem in our society. Get use to it. Rhetoric is all we have at the moment pretty sure it was a KB'r

That is just how I feel................to say 'Never' is a shame to say. You may be right, however, got to at least try.

[Grahameeboy]

Well it would be a start if you and the rest on here started listening...its easy to say would anyone listen...its not about anyone else its about each and every one of us to do something about it...

I was talking about the Govt...and the rest of what you say is what I am saying........

[RT527]

I was talking about the Govt...and the rest of what you say is what I am saying........

Rgr ..I knew that , sorry my point wasn't against you more in favor of all of us doing something collectively, but by doing that we have to be gutsy enough to first stand up and say I don't like this I want to do something about it.

I think harsher penalty's would work ... how ever there will always be cases found that support it and are equally against it...

Remember statistics only work if you understand what statistics don't show you.

[Mom]

yea they need help - from what i've read rehabilitating people like that is a waste of time. It wouldn't surprise me if the only good thing about 'helping' them is that they are identified and can be kept an eye on,therefore minimising the risk of re-offending.

I know if I was a mental health worker I would rather concentrate my skills on the survivors of these selfish crimes.

Thank you for this........I have looked after the (child) victims of abuse in the past, all sorts of abuse, and I know that it is symptomatic of the society that these people are raised in. This society (read culture) is often completely different from the ones that you and I have experienced. The person that has inflicted this damage to this poor little boy can never be rehabilitated. He needs "help" by way of never ever being in a place to do something like that again. My earlier post stands.


My feelings tonight though are for that poor little boy, I hope that the physical damage he has sustained can be repaired without ongoing problems, and that he is raised in a safe, secure and loving family away from the "culture" he was born into, also the people that are having to deal with his injuries and God help them his family that will no doubt be dealing with their own grief that something like this could happen to them.

[Grahameeboy]

Rgr ..I knew that , sorry my point wasn't against you more in favor of all of us doing something collectively, but by doing that we have to be gutsy enough to first stand up and say I don't like this I want to do something about it.

I think harsher penalty's would work ... how ever there will always be cases found that support it and are equally against it...

Remember statistics only work if you understand what statistics don't show you.

In the Isle of Man the punishment is the birch and as far as I know crime is virually non-existent...............

[Grahameeboy]

Thank you for this........I have looked after the (child) victims of abuse in the past, all sorts of abuse, and I know that it is symptomatic of the society that these people are raised in. This society (read culture) is often completely different from the ones that you and I have experienced. The person that has inflicted this damage to this poor little boy can never be rehabilitated. He needs "help" by way of never ever being in a place to do something like that again. My earlier post stands.


My feelings tonight though are for that poor little boy, I hope that the physical damage he has sustained can be repaired without ongoing problems, and that he is raised in a safe, secure and loving family away from the "culture" he was born into, also the people that are having to deal with his injuries and God help them his family that will no doubt be dealing with their own grief that something like this could happen to them.

True...I guess by help I do not expect the person to be completely rehabilitated, but help in some form or another is what is needed...rather than the other suggested alternatives.

[Mom]

True...I guess by help I do not expect the person to be completely rehabilitated, but help in some form or another is what is needed...rather than the other suggested alternatives.

Bless you and your see good in all attitude my friend!.......it is a very sad reflection on the values that some live by that this sort of shit is not dealt with. I was un-prepared to learn that there is this other culture alive and well in NZ, and that in fact there is little hope for the people that are trapped in it. We have a sub-culture in this country that most only ever hear about when a case like this comes to our attention. I have seen it and dealt with it wearing a couple of different hats, pity of it is I dont have answers........
i wish i did.......

[doc]

That is just how I feel................to say 'Never' is a shame to say. You may be right, however, got to at least try.

No we don't have to try to help the prick. We stop him doing it again. I favour the cost saving method spend the money on the victims.
Looks like its a Grameeboy bashing thread this time change from cop/maori bashing.So refreshing

[Patrick]

The baby needs healing not justice

That he will get, hopefully without memories but time will tell. Justice on behalf of the kiddie and the other good bastards in his family and the rest of the caring community is what I was meaning.

[Grahameeboy]

No we don't have to try to help the prick. We stop him doing it again. I favour the cost saving method spend the money on the victims.
Looks like its a Grameeboy bashing thread this time change from cop/maori bashing.So refreshing

So can't we help him to stop doing it again.................reading Mom's experiences there are a lot of buggered people out there who probably do things that to them are normal but to us are not.........I mean normal is what you have known and experienced.............

Spending money on victims is priority but then ask yourself who else is the victim.............of their culture / society.

Feel free to Grahameeboy Bash...bring it on........be nice to give the cops / Maori's, Asians....Dovers (??) a break

[Grahameeboy]

That he will get, hopefully without memories but time will tell. Justice on behalf of the kiddie and the other good bastards in his family and the rest of the caring community is what I was meaning.

I knew what you mean.....as usual I don't see it that way.......justice don't change what happens.............not saying this guy should not be dealt with but to me justice is often a self centred thing...........I know I will get bashed for that and it is something hard to explain properly.....justice does not remove the pain.......

[Kittyhawk]

It sickens me. How or why do people think like this. He's sick in the head and beyond helping.

[SwanTiger]

What has happened to the child is severly distressing, however what is going to happen to him once child youth and family services enter into his life is even more distressing!

Viva la prison justice!

[doc]

Spending money on victims is priority but then ask yourself who else is the victim.............of their culture / society.

Feel free to Grahameeboy Bash...bring it on........be nice to give the cops / Maori's, Asians....Dovers (??) a break

How many times, would you have to get a beating or your house robbed before you felt it was time to retaliate. Now listen carefully THE PEOPLE WHO DO THESE CRIMES ARE NOT VICTIMS. .

Dover needs the bash anyway makes him feel loved.

[Grahameeboy]

It sickens me. How or why do people think like this. He's sick in the head and beyond helping.

Sickens me too.....but should we not find out how or why to perhaps try and understand and maybe stop some other child being violated.

By giving up on helping are we not giving up on helping those who are at risk?