Street Stock 250cc 4-stroke twins

[Hiflyer]

Told ya so :innocent: Do a dyno and then you will see the theoretical max....
Do I remember Chaos making claims of 190kph?

yea thats cos his bike has a drag efficiency of a negative value.



OBVIOUSLY

[Hiflyer]

Dynos probably have just as much error as the bike, all depends on how there set up and you will find 1 dyno will always read different to another.

long long straight with a speed gun would be best.

I used a GPS to calculate actual speed at 100 indicated

[DELLORTO]

I like that long Taupo straight.Almost max out.

whats that like 280-290km/h?? i did it on my fxr150 :scooter: lol 140km/h....

[ducatilover]

Dynos probably have just as much error as the bike, all depends on how there set up and you will find 1 dyno will always read different to another.

long long straight with a speed gun would be best. Throw the speed gun towards it and it may help


yea thats cos his bike has a drag efficiency of a negative value.



OBVIOUSLY I forgot that sorry....:innocent:

[RDjase]

I like that long Taupo straight.Almost max out.


It would suit your bike well, getting the big 20valve 1000 screaming, NICE, My LC is tapped out half way and im just waiting for another corner, if i gear it up it just to slow in the tight stuff. It should be heaps better with a freash engine and fitting the bikini Fairing. Soon get a chance at the Post Classic GP, i want to get a track day in before it or put the engine in my road LC to run it in

[mossy1200]

whats that like 280-290km/h?? i did it on my fxr150 :scooter: lol 140km/h....
My bikes geared to max acceleration(good for manfield),down one at front and up two on rear.That gearing provides 258kphr at redline according to vortex who make the kit.Mine rides up to 1000rpm into redline in top gear.Still developing 140rwhp at that stage.Then the horses start to drop and failure to pull any higher in top begins.Dyno indicates 270plus but thats with 40pounds in rear tyre(making it taller than the 30pounds hot for race).So many variables effect an extact figure.Safe to say above 260 and below 280.Manfield track doesnt get up that high maybe 230-240.Taupo is maxed out just.Will run it at Carterton 1/4miles at some point and find out 99.9% accurate at some point.My Triumph Bonneville 865 did 197kmph last time average speed through the flying quarter miles(cr carbs and pipes etc).So bumed I couldnt crack 200.All four runs same speed.It was already geared up one tooth on front.i think an extra tooth again would break 200 easy as it pulled so far into redline that that would have been the limiting factor.

[Brett]

So where are you Chaos?

[SS90]

Dear Chaosrider,

It would seem that despite my unflappable support of your quest to become a world champion motorcycle racer, you have AGAIN failed to deliver.

No-one believed your high talking BULLSHIT, and there are several of us that post on you (legendary) threads that where simply ignoring it all, and continuing to offer support and advise.

This is MY take on your "race report"

You started off in the "beginners class", entered the straight from pit lane, opened the throttle, spun the wheel, so, changed in to second, it spun too, so you gracefully hooked third, the SHINKO bit into the ashphalt, hoisting the front (now your road speed was approaching 190KPH), braking (though only momentarily, after putting the front hoop back on the deck) for the first turn (decreasing right hander) you accelerated hard, at which time you ripped the space time continuem and propelled you and your "GT250R/P" into the alternate universe where it (and you) are able to compete against 250GP bikes, and you are a factory 250GP rider (for Hyosung) living a lavish lifestyle in Monaco (between winning races....on your Hyosung GT250R/P)

Is that close?

[Hiflyer]

Dear Chaosrider,

It would seem that despite my unflappable support of your quest to become a world champion motorcycle racer, you have AGAIN failed to deliver.

No-one believed your high talking BULLSHIT, and there are several of us that post on you (legendary) threads that where simply ignoring it all, and continuing to offer support and advise.

This is MY take on your "race report"

You started off in the "beginners class", entered the straight from pit lane, opened the throttle, spun the wheel, so, changed in to second, it spun too, so you gracefully hooked third, the SHINKO bit into the ashphalt, hoisting the front (now your road speed was approaching 190KPH), braking (though only momentarily, after putting the front hoop back on the deck) for the first turn (decreasing right hander) you accelerated hard, at which time you ripped the space time continuem and propelled you and your "GT250R/P" into the alternate universe where it (and you) are able to compete against 250GP bikes, and you are a factory 250GP rider (for Hyosung) living a lavish lifestyle in Monaco (between winning races....on your Hyosung GT250R/P)

Is that close?


And the last straw has fallen. . . I guess everyone has a limit as to how much support they can offer.

Especially when the recipient is deaf as a brick.

[Mully]

Chaos must be a pisstake. There's just so much that's forehead-slappingly wrong.

Surely?

[Brett]

I have just decided that my gsxr doesn't have a flywheel. no crank either...

[Hiflyer]

I have just decided that my gsxr doesn't have a flywheel. no crank either...

Will then its not a gsxr its a gsxp aint it?

[McWild]

I just have to ask, why does he keep calling it a GT250P?

[Mully]

I just have to ask, why does he keep calling it a GT250P?

How much time have you got??

Have a read of this if you have a lot: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=88319

Short answer: Chaos was going to make his Hyo competitive in MotoGP 250 competition (feel free to make your own jokes here) and was "evolving" it for that purpose. During the course of this "Evolution" he decided that his bike was a Hyo GT250P (for prototype). This was done by cutting the little leg off the "R" on the GT250R sticker on the fairing.

Clear?

[Slyer]

Actually it stands for Personalized I believe? :bleh:

[Mully]

Actually it stands for Personalized I believe? :bleh:

My mistake then.

[gatch]

Dear Chaosrider

... ...

Is that close?

Gets tiring flogging a dead horse eh, I knew you would come around eventually.

Top marks for holding out though..

[DarkLord]

:corn:

Still waiting for my Youtube video proof of said GT250P doing power wheelies in every gear.

[RDjase]

:corn:

Still waiting for my Youtube video proof of said GT250P doing power wheelies in every gear.


He did a post on monday, so he did get back from Puke , maybe hes still writing his track day report,

Im sure it will be worth the wait..............

HURRY UP CHAOS

[SS90]

I still think Hyosung Gt250's are a great bike, and excellent for a beginner, I just think that Chaosrider should be shot with a ball of his own shit.

Fucking TROLL!

[McWild]

Oh, personalised, I see.

Yes I was (unfortunately) aware of the original thread's premise, but I never quite understood the meaning of the "P".



In the meantime, ChaosRider how many valves does my RGV have?

You seem, um, knowledgable about the workings of bikes, hopefully you can clear this up for me.

Oh and I saw some universal stainless steel exhausts for $149 at SuperCheapAuto, I'm sure they'll help you dominate F3.



But seriously, streetstock 250s seems like a bit of a step down for a rider who was going to race in the Hyosung 250GP team.
What happened, do you just want to dominate SS first?

I was also told that if you superglue some blue tac into triangles and attach them to dinner plates you can use them as bigger back sprockets, you should attach one to the GT250P in order to assist with your sick wheelies and burnouts.

Before you do another track day, I suggest wrapping the elbows of your cordura gear with masking tape. It will lessen the damage to them when you get your elbow down around the hairpins.

Though by that logic you should probably tape up the fairing, pegs, exhaust and your helmet too.

[puddytat]

Chelseapar had an NSR that had some pretty radical shit going on with it...:blink:

Very funny thread that was too:yes::killingme

I'll be out on my Vt this weekend....trackday at Ruapuna:woohoo:

[Ooky]

how many valves does my RGV have?


4!:woohoo:

[DarkLord]

I still think Hyosung Gt250's are a great bike, and excellent for a beginner

Exactly. Mine's done about 43,000 k's now and it's great. Not the quickest bike around by far, or the best put together (cracks in the exhaust etc) but it runs and is reliable. I don't get delusional about mine though, wanting to modify it to do power wheelies all the time, I just accept it and ride it for what it is. I'll save my wheelies and ridiculous speeds for when I get my Gixxer Thou, thank you very much! :devil2:

[mossy1200]

I have been looking at this thread so long that I am considering buying N250 single and racing it in street stock.I cant see anything that will not allow a single.It just says 4stroke up to 250cc.Please note this is street stock class vmcc event rules.
http://www.vicclub.co.nz/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=68
Please dont start going down the mini light twin dirrection....

Point one is I expect to get beaten...lots
Point two is I will give it the stick and still get beaten.
Point three is if Im the only one finishing race I will be the winner.
Its likely to pump out 12-15 hp but that should be good enough.Dont quote me cause it may be less..
The tyres look like they are from the 70s but I will let some air out of the inner tubes.

[SS90]

I quietly hoping that Chaosrider is CAREFULLY ( using spellcheck) writing up a report on his FIRST "have a go day", and running through the things he learned that day and will shortly post it, NOT EXAGGERATING,BULLSHITTING, OR LYING about what happened...........

Or is he still "tidying his room"? (one of his hilarious excuses)

I hope that is the case, as I would LOVE to be able to write an apology to him for my previous post.

If not, then indeed, he is a TROLL!

[Hiflyer]

Exactly. Mine's done about 43,000 k's now and it's great. Not the quickest bike around by far, or the best put together (cracks in the exhaust etc) but it runs and is reliable. I don't get delusional about mine though, wanting to modify it to do power wheelies all the time, I just accept it and ride it for what it is. I'll save my wheelies and ridiculous speeds for when I get my Gixxer Thou, thank you very much! :devil2:

250 to a thou ay? not too many people that are game for that. Good on ya :niceone:

[EJK]

4!:woohoo:

Wrong! The answer is 2! Because it's a 2 stroke!! :blah:

[cheesemethod]

I have been looking at this thread so long that I am considering buying N250 single and racing it in street stock.I cant see anything that will not allow a single.It just says 4stroke up to 250cc.

Sounds like I'd better start on my GN250 race project :first:

[McWild]

Excuse me I believe I asked Chaosrider.

I will not trust such advice from those who are not he.

Was also curious as to whether my cams are pushrod or DOHC, cheers.

[DarkLord]

250 to a thou ay? not too many people that are game for that. Good on ya :niceone:

Hehe... well I'd like to, it is the dream, however I don't know if I'd ever really end up seeing it through, I rode a K7 Gixxer Thou the other day and it scared me half to death... I may go for something like an SV1000 next. Chuck a couple of de-baffled free flowing pipes on it and I'm in rumbling heaven :D

[RDjase]

I have been looking at this thread so long that I am considering buying N250 single and racing it in street stock.I cant see anything that will not allow a single.It just says 4stroke up to 250cc.Please note this is street stock class vmcc event rules.
http://www.vicclub.co.nz/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=68
Please dont start going down the mini light twin dirrection....

Point one is I expect to get beaten...lots
Point two is I will give it the stick and still get beaten.
Point three is if Im the only one finishing race I will be the winner.
Its likely to pump out 12-15 hp but that should be good enough.Dont quote me cause it may be less..
The tyres look like they are from the 70s but I will let some air out of the inner tubes.

Im in mossy:niceone:, were do we get a pair of GNs from? as long as we can race the legendary Chaos ,

Who else wants in on Team GN?

CHAOS ,WERE ARE YOU?

[Ooky]

Im in mossy:niceone:, were do we get a pair of GNs from? as long as we can race the legendary Chaos ,

Who else wants in on Team GN?

CHAOS ,WERE ARE YOU?

mobile chicanes unite!:jerry:

[mossy1200]

I think chaos would need to do a vic club meet as street stock 250 is for all production 250 4 stroke but the one he is entering is twins only.
Im thinking of this one.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=239455963

Cause im cheep bastard and this is less than half the price of fzr1000 slicks that last two rounds.I think I could beat chaos on it LOL

[cheesemethod]

I think chaos would need to do a vic club meet as street stock 250 is for all production 250 4 stroke but the one he is entering is twins only.
Im thinking of this one.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=239455963

Cause im cheep bastard and this is less than half the price of fzr1000 slicks that last two rounds.I think I could beat chaos on it LOL

Man there's a lot of stuff on those that looks identical to my impulse

[ducatilover]

I quietly hoping that Chaosrider is CAREFULLY ( using spellcheck) writing up a report on his FIRST "have a go day", and running through the things he learned that day and will shortly post it, NOT EXAGGERATING,BULLSHITTING, OR LYING about what happened...........

Or is he still "tidying his room"? (one of his hilarious excuses)

I hope that is the case, as I would LOVE to be able to write an apology to him for my previous post.

If not, then indeed, he is a TROLL! :msn-wink: About time you came around to it mate. :niceone: Now pass me that flywheel beer holder


250 to a thou ay? not too many people that are game for that. Good on ya :niceone: I went from a 250 to a 650, that was messy. Mind you, anything is a big step from a gn250 when you [me in this case] are a fuck wit.


Excuse me I believe I asked Chaosrider.

I will not trust such advice from those who are not he.

Was also curious as to whether my cams are pushrod or DOHC, cheers.
Push rod is not a form of cam. :bleh:

[mossy1200]

:spanking:
250 to a thou ay? not too many people that are game for that. Good on ya :niceone:

I went from xl185 super farmer to rg500 walterwolf 2smoker

[ducatilover]

:spanking:

I went from xl185 super farmer to rg500 walterwolf 2smoker

That's a wee bit of a step
My first bike was a gpz400r, that was a beast after mudbugs and the odd xr/xl honda :niceone:

[NSR-Dan]

Wrong! The answer is 2! Because it's a 2 stroke!! :blah:

Actually your right, it has powervalves.

Hey chaos you should ride naked, i hear biking gear is heavy and would weigh you down a bit. i heard your skin is a type of biological unobtanuim alloy, so you should still be safe.

[McWild]

push rod is not a form of cam. :bleh:

I asked chaosrider god damn it. Unless you ride a GT250P and are hotter shit than a manure storage facility set on fire I request you keep such opinions to yourself.

[ducatilover]

i asked chaosrider god damn it. Unless you ride a gt250p and are hotter shit than a manure storage facility on fire i ask you keep such matters to yourself.

I infact built the gt650pppp, so screw you and your moral conundrums


:bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh:

[ducatilover]

I also have a thing for red heads, but, how was the track day? Tell us about it etc etc

[chaos rider]

I also have a thing for red heads, but, how was the track day? Tell us about it etc etc

well first session was crowded but good for sighting laps had a chance to read everyones lines and work out what worked for me

2nd ses was awsome it poored down just as we were about to leave the dummy grid, the shinkos were awsome coming over mountain corner got nice and sideways hanging over the bike. i was realy impressed with the tyres most of all despite their bad rep has ne one ever taken them to the track? their great
found a realy fast line through jennian, awsome looks from the r6 rider and ktm rider i flew past on the outside.
wasnt increadably fast round the track but i did go faster then a cbr 400 down the back straight (it was an old modle though 1990+) and lapped the two ninja 250

would have been better had the rain not ended the day will be at the next one for sure

[SS90]

Hey Chaos.

Nice to read your write up.

I must admit it is the first time I have read anything complimentary about Shinko's, and to be sure, I have never used Shinko's on the track, and perhaps you bring up a point........ Has anyone else Raced in Shinko's...in the wet?

I would wager NO would be the answer.

Sure, from what people say on the road (particularly in the wet) Shinko's are possibly Korean for "suicide", but that doesn't mean that in a race pace situation, in the wet, they don't "come into their own".

I will have to take your word on that, because for sure, I won't be testing it out for myself!

Interesting to read about your passing moves etc, I am sure they will never forget the day a Hyosung "slid" past them in the wet!

God knows I would never forget!

Thanks for your race report Chaosrider, I am sorry I critisised you earlier, with such a great (truthful) race report, I certainly don't think you are a troll now........<_<

[SS90]

2nd ses was awsome it poored down just as we were about to leave the dummy grid, the shinkos were awsome coming over mountain corner got nice and sideways hanging over the bike.

found a realy fast line through jennian, awsome looks from the r6 rider and ktm rider i flew past on the outside.
wasnt increadably fast round the track but i did go faster then a cbr 400 down the back straight (it was an old modle though 1990+)


Was it like this? (just with some rain)

[Hiflyer]

lol lol lol

[Reido]

dont get over excited about passing an R6 etc, even i did that though a couple corners.

And i know im not a great rider, hell i dont even think im good.

they were being careful with their shiny EXPENSIVE toys since they were in the NOVICE SLOW group. >_>

And holy crap, did you see how far ahead, on the first lap, the CBR250? (purplish one) was in the second session? (granted that might have been G2, cant really remember)

[Brett]

Track day time to own a noob? :devil2: I think so.

[rachprice]

How were your lap times?

And yeah I had a hayabusa holding me up in the corners on my first track day! and I was far from good! Not really a way to gauge how good you are

[Mully]

How did you see the looks they gave you while you were going around the outside of them around Jennian?

[Hiflyer]

How did you see the looks they gave you while you were going around the outside of them around Jennian?

He was using his spidy-sense to detect track conditions while he looked over his shoulder,

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have never used Shinko's on the track, and perhaps you bring up a point........ Has anyone else Raced in Shinko's...in the wet?

I would wager NO would be the answer.


Yep! The Shinko 003 radials are exactly the same tyre that used to be the Yokohama 003 radial...and in the day they were good enough to do minute 16 flat round Manfeild on a 250 proddy bike! I've since raced on shinko slicks...and yes...it even rained for one heat race...and they're actually fucking pretty good! I'm willing to bet that they're more than good enough for most track day riders.

[Crasherfromwayback]

hayabusa

= very sucky motor!!!

[chaos rider]

Was it like this? (just with some rain)

not quite but it might have been i wasnt getting off and checking lol


dont get over excited about passing an R6 etc, even i did that though a couple corners.

And i know im not a great rider, hell i dont even think im good.

they were being careful with their shiny EXPENSIVE toys since they were in the NOVICE SLOW group. >_>

And holy crap, did you see how far ahead, on the first lap, the CBR250? (purplish one) was in the second session? (granted that might have been G2, cant really remember)

yeah i stuck with it for 4 or so laps in the second sesion and then woosh he was gone. and yes i undersand this but the were from the slow fast group and werent being carefull. but yes they wernt caining it i was just saying it was fun seeing their reactions


How were your lap times?

And yeah I had a hayabusa holding me up in the corners on my first track day! and I was far from good! Not really a way to gauge how good you are

not sure prob only 1.30 wasnt realy checking


He was using his spidy-sense to detect track conditions while he looked over his shoulder,

i wasnt going that hard so i had some time to turn my head and nod for them, had i been going for it then no it wouldnt be that easy lol


Yep! The Shinko 003 radials are exactly the same tyre that used to be the Yokohama 003 radial...and in the day they were good enough to do minute 16 flat round Manfeild on a 250 proddy bike! I've since raced on shinko slicks...and yes...it even rained for one heat race...and they're actually fucking pretty good! I'm willing to bet that they're more than good enough for most track day riders.

yeah well the blew me away. i know how real bad they are wet in the city but coming over mountian corner in 4 taped whith the rear lighting up and going sideways they were nice and stable and even in jennian and through to castrol they were just awsome.

corner i had the most trouble with was castrol the hairpin was my best. mhad i had 2 more ses i could have easly nocked 10 sec off my laps. but well see next art day wont we

[imdying]

In the meantime, ChaosRider how many valves does my RGV have?Do you know the answer to this?

At least ask him a question with an answer if you're going to be a cock about it.

[R6_kid]

corner i had the most trouble with was castrol the hairpin was my best. mhad i had 2 more ses i could have easly nocked 10 sec off my laps. but well see next art day wont we

While I don't doubt that you would have improved with another two sessions, I don't think you would have improved by 10secs. That's A LOT!

[Crasherfromwayback]

i know how real bad they are wet in the city but coming over mountian corner in 4 taped whith the rear lighting up and going sideways they were nice and stable

Sheeeesh...I was never good enough to ride them like that!

[Hiflyer]

rear was lighting up AND you were going sideways, yet you were stable...

you must be Casey Stoner

[Mully]

found a realy fast line through jennian, awsome looks from the r6 rider and ktm rider i flew past on the outside.



How did you see the looks they gave you while you were going around the outside of them around Jennian?



i wasnt going that hard so i had some time to turn my head and nod for them, had i been going for it then no it wouldnt be that easy lol

So you were going really fast through Jennian(you "flew past" apparently). Fast enough to get looks from two people you were overtaking. But not what you would consider "going that hard" or "going for it", so you had time to turn and look (again, through Jennian) at the people giving you looks?

[Harvd]

In the meantime, ChaosRider how many valves does my RGV have?




Actaully, i think Ooky was right, as yes it has powervalves. 1 set for each cylinder. with each set containing 2 blades so in total 4 valves... sort of. i think...

actually i just wiki'd it and its got the 2blade system so im sticking with 4.

unless its the 3blade system of the vj22...

and andrew dont worry, chaosrider's inteullect is far superior to trivial questions such as your own.

And i wont even comment on the diarrhea coming from Chaosrider. it speaks for itself

[del-solider]

So you were going really fast through Jennian(you "flew past" apparently). Fast enough to get looks from two people you were overtaking. But not what you would consider "going that hard" or "going for it", so you had time to turn and look (again, through Jennian) at the people giving you looks?

Yes thats how it seems unbelievably so....

[McWild]

Actaully, i think Ooky was right, as yes it has powervalves. 1 set for each cylinder. with each set containing 2 blades so in total 4 valves... sort of. i think...

actually i just wiki'd it and its got the 2blade system so im sticking with 4.

unless its the 3blade system of the vj22...


Originally posted by imdying
Do you know the answer to this?

Actually that's a good point, I haven't checked whether it's running 21 or 22 valves as it has 22 cylinders with 21 heads.

Although I was referring to the inlet and exhaust valves found on 4 stroke engines. Which at the time, I found hilarious.

I'm sorry Chaosrider.


I should really show more respect to a rider/mechanic/troll of your calibre.

[gatch]

Good on you for having a go, it was a track day yes ?

And quit the yarns, its ridiculous, you are only convincing yourself man..

[SS90]

yeah well the blew me away. i know how real bad they are wet in the city but coming over mountian corner in 4 taped whith the rear lighting up and going sideways they were nice and stable and even in jennian and through to castrol they were just awsome.



Erm Chaosrider.

Just to clarify this.

You are saying that.

"You where "tapped" out in 4th gear, (with the rear wheel lighting up) and going "sideways"....... in the rain, on your first race (a "novice day") on a 250cc 2 cylinder 4 stroke vtwin?

If this is true Chaosrider (and can offer any one to back this up) I will buy you a years training at Steve Bagshaws academy, because that sir, is PURE SKILL, and you Chaosrider, will kick Rossi's Wog ass all the way to multiple world titles.

I am sorry for doubting you mate!

I feel like a complete ARSE!:blink:

[Reido]

sooo if i talk my self up to be really really awesome will you buy me training too?
i really need it.

wait. no i dont, i am epic and dont need training (buy me training! XD )

(p/t)

[SS90]

Well, you see there's the thing.

If Chaosrider is simply "talking it up", then....NO

But, if Chaosrider can SUBSTANTIATE his claims (in particular the passing maneuver he mentions) then it would be foolish of me NOT to offer such support!

You see, in a world full of selfish people, there are a few of us (several of whom post on this thread) that are simply "beacons of light" in this dark cruel world, and we wish only to "give" of ourselves particularly to people who want to achieve, and clearly have the talent with which to do so.

I pray that Chaosrider is one of these people (with the talent), because if he goes unnoticed in this harsh world then New Zealand will be missing out on a future world champion, and I (as will others from this thread) will be forever asking myself "was it my fault?"

So, there it is Chaosrider. A heartfelt PLEA for some proof of your riding skills.

Perhaps you could take out an advert in the news paper asking for any witnesses (particularly the riders of the bikes in your race report) to substantiate your race report.

I think it would be money well spent, because this is one HELL of an offer I am making!

You know, perhaps I can even ask Ducatirider to come on board and make you a couple of sets of fairings "free of charge". He believes in you almost as much as I.

Just 2 (independent) witnesses is all I require Chaosrider, then, you will be propelled into the spectacular sphere that is MOTOGP racing.

I will go now and book a ticket for the 2012 MOTOgp in Jerez, because that is indeed my favourite track to watch, and I am sure it will be a great victory for you!:2thumbsup

[DarkLord]

Well, you see there's the thing.

If Chaosrider is simply "talking it up", then....NO

But, if Chaosrider can SUBSTANTIATE his claims (in particular the passing maneuver he mentions) then it would be foolish of me NOT to offer such support!

You see, in a world full of selfish people, there are a few of us (several of whom post on this thread) that are simply "beacons of light" in this dark cruel world, and we wish only to "give" of ourselves particularly to people who want to achieve, and clearly have the talent with which to do so.

I pray that Chaosrider is one of these people (with the talent), because if he goes unnoticed in this harsh world then New Zealand will be missing out on a future world champion, and I (as will others from this thread) will be forever asking myself "was it my fault?"

So, there it is Chaosrider. A heartfelt PLEA for some proof of your riding skills.

Perhaps you could take out an advert in the news paper asking for any witnesses (particularly the riders of the bikes in your race report) to substantiate your race report.

I think it would be money well spent, because this is one HELL of an offer I am making!

You know, perhaps I can even ask Ducatirider to come on board and make you a couple of sets of fairings "free of charge". He believes in you almost as much as I.

Just 2 (independent) witnesses is all I require Chaosrider, then, you will be propelled into the spectacular sphere that is MOTOGP racing.

I will go now and book a ticket for the 2012 MOTOgp in Jerez, because that is indeed my favourite track to watch, and I am sure it will be a great victory for you!:2thumbsup

Word.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Youtube video or it didn't happen.

[NSR-Dan]

maybe someone should goto one of these track days and set up a camera on ford mountain and film chaos drifting in the wet.

[FROSTY]

I need to see NUMBERS. Sod the yap. Given it wasn't a race day then the lap times tell all
To be way back arse end of the F3 feild you need to be doing $1.25
To give a better idea Our mate Quasi was doing $1.14's on a gixxer 400 with the speed limiter still on it-(limited to 185km/h)
add 10 secs for the rain and thats ya line in the sand.
Ive had the pleasure of lapping a guy on a cbr250 who was doing conistant $1.13-$1.14
If you're doing $1.40 $1.50 then you'll easilly take 10c off without even thinking about it

[quickbuck]

Actually that's a good point, I haven't checked whether it's running 21 or 22 valves as it has 22 cylinders with 21 heads.



Heck... That would be an impressive engine...
Shame one cylinder has nothing to squeeze the gasses into though....

Imagine it... a two stroke calamity!

P/T

[quickbuck]

Im in mossy:niceone:, were do we get a pair of GNs from? as long as we can race the legendary Chaos ,

Who else wants in on Team GN?

CHAOS ,WERE ARE YOU?

Bugger the GN...
I will drag a GB along...

I bet nobody has thought of entering a bike powered by a farm bike motor.....

Oh, wait....
????? (http://www.450moto.com/)

[chaos rider]

I need to see NUMBERS. Sod the yap. Given it wasn't a race day then the lap times tell all
To be way back arse end of the F3 feild you need to be doing $1.25
To give a better idea Our mate Quasi was doing $1.14's on a gixxer 400 with the speed limiter still on it-(limited to 185km/h)
add 10 secs for the rain and thats ya line in the sand.
Ive had the pleasure of lapping a guy on a cbr250 who was doing conistant $1.13-$1.14
If you're doing $1.40 $1.50 then you'll easilly take 10c off without even thinking about it

thanks frosty pity you couldnt come, i was listning to the mentors and did what they said, but i dont know if it was me over thinking or undercofident or what but it felt wrong. whent out second ses bit nervous cuz of the rain and my tyres bieng plastic and all.... and did my own thing, lstend to my bike and what it was telling me (how it felt and what lines it wanted) and i did way better. thanks for the tips on jenian btw


Well, you see there's the thing.

If Chaosrider is simply "talking it up", then....NO

But, if Chaosrider can SUBSTANTIATE his claims (in particular the passing maneuver he mentions) then it would be foolish of me NOT to offer such support!

You see, in a world full of selfish people, there are a few of us (several of whom post on this thread) that are simply "beacons of light" in this dark cruel world, and we wish only to "give" of ourselves particularly to people who want to achieve, and clearly have the talent with which to do so.

I pray that Chaosrider is one of these people (with the talent), because if he goes unnoticed in this harsh world then New Zealand will be missing out on a future world champion, and I (as will others from this thread) will be forever asking myself "was it my fault?"

So, there it is Chaosrider. A heartfelt PLEA for some proof of your riding skills.

Perhaps you could take out an advert in the news paper asking for any witnesses (particularly the riders of the bikes in your race report) to substantiate your race report.

I think it would be money well spent, because this is one HELL of an offer I am making!

You know, perhaps I can even ask Ducatirider to come on board and make you a couple of sets of fairings "free of charge". He believes in you almost as much as I.

Just 2 (independent) witnesses is all I require Chaosrider, then, you will be propelled into the spectacular sphere that is MOTOGP racing.

I will go now and book a ticket for the 2012 MOTOgp in Jerez, because that is indeed my favourite track to watch, and I am sure it will be a great victory for you!:2thumbsup

its a pitty the highside photography guys didnt come back out after it rained they were sitting right on the inside of ford mountian ill contact them and see if they were out and if their just bieng lazy.highside photography (http://www.highside.co.nz/20090830-AMCC-ART/index.html) ses 2. this was my first ses/sighting round

prob is i think it was the wet conditions not sure if the rear will do it in the dry but ill try all the same just need to be in 4th out of the hairpin. i would love some picks of it.

im sure i was well sidewas cuz lap 7 or 8 i had the rear drifting out all the way to the outside line while my front was at least half a meter from the line for the last 1/4 of the bend just at the top of the crest. but i cant be 100% cuz i was almost able to ceck my oil level lol (joke not statement) had myself right over the side to keep from low siding. ive felt the rear step out back when it was wet on the road but this was way futher out and for much longer.

[koba]

Blah Blah.

Did you get your knee down?

[chaos rider]

Did you get your knee down?

not yet might of if i had another ses
plus i feel like puki only has one corner you need to, and thats ford

getting your knee down is over rated ask frosty hell explane it

in most csses its overkill and in others its a waist of energy

[koba]

not yet might of if i had another ses
plus i feel like puki only has one corner you need to, and thats ford

getting your knee down is over rated ask frosty hell explane it

in most csses its overkill and in others its a waist of energy

I will conceed to your superior subject knowledge.

[chaos rider]

I will conceed to your superior subject knowledge.

its not that its just how i feel on the subject

im yet to get my knee down all together so im not 100% on its effectivness myself but ill let you know when i do a few till then ill make do with other tricks and skills.

learn to learn to run before you try and crall at 100km/h as my dad told me once

[gatch]

learn to learn to run before you try and crall at 100km/h as my dad told me once

What the fuck are you talking about ?

[puddytat]

Well , Ive had a good weekend to....:yes:

Just got back from a trackday at Ruapuna & it was blardy great fun!! Most impressed with the wee VT ,latched onto the back of Buddah81 for most of the last run & got a good idea of where its at with corner speed,though not quite at that point of full comitment & trust in the tyres. For a big fella on a 150, he can hustle!!
Weather was fantastic, couple of mates along riding as well, what more could you ask for ?
Enjoyed immensely the joy of my first proper race bike,& also liked the idea that I can afford to crash this one!. A lot easier on the mind not having to worry about that side of things so much.
Best lap was a 2:06, but that'll drop a tad yet.....

[cheesemethod]

getting your knee down is over rated ask frosty hell explane it

in most csses its overkill and in others its a waist of energy

Yeah I guess those bloody MotoGP amatuers have no idea what they're doing.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/edupininfarina/2007_ValentinoRossi_2.jpg

[koba]

its not that its just how i feel on the subject

im yet to get my knee down all together so im not 100% on its effectivness myself but ill let you know when i do a few till then ill make do with other tricks and skills.

learn to learn to run before you try and crall at 100km/h as my dad told me once

Cool, Let us know. I'm always keen to learn about new tricks.

[mossy1200]

Can you link in your best shot Chaos as there is so many black bikes I cant be bothered opening all the photos.The sung front end looks similar to the gsxr etc and me broadband limits used up at moment.This is my rookie year shot

[cheesemethod]

97-60b-0661?

[Mully]

Can you link in your best shot Chaos as there is so many black bikes I cant be bothered opening all the photos.The sung front end looks similar to the gsxr etc and me broadband limits used up at moment.This is my rookie year shot

There are a couple of his bike (the front end is pretty distinctive) - but nothing with anyone/anything else within sight of him. All the camera shots are of the same point of the track, so no help there.

Chaos, what were your lap times.

[chaos rider]

one of the better pics (http://www.highside.co.nz/20090830-AMCC-ART/index.html)

but the best ones where i was going alot faster were in the wet

[NSR-Dan]

You can easily tell the noobs by seeing which ones arnt counter steering, chaos being one of them.

[chaos rider]

You can easily tell the noobs by seeing which ones arnt counter steering, chaos being one of them.

its ford mountain you nit thers no need plus you only counter steer before you start turning to change the angle of the bike, its only an aid for getting the bike over you dont doo it through the corner unless your arse is out.

[quickbuck]

its ford mountain you nit thers no need plus you only counter steer before you start turning to change the angle of the bike, its only an aid for getting the bike over you dont doo it through the corner unless your arse is out.

Really???
Heck, I never knew... Where do I enrole in your training school?

[SS90]

one of the better pics (http://www.highside.co.nz/20090830-AMCC-ART/index.html)

but the best ones where i was going alot faster were in the wet

What.......you mean this?

[RDjase]

well first session was crowded but good for sighting laps had a chance to read everyones lines and work out what worked for me

2nd ses was awsome it poored down just as we were about to leave the dummy grid, the shinkos were awsome coming over mountain corner got nice and sideways hanging over the bike. i was realy impressed with the tyres most of all despite their bad rep has ne one ever taken them to the track? their great
found a realy fast line through jennian, awsome looks from the r6 rider and ktm rider i flew past on the outside.
wasnt increadably fast round the track but i did go faster then a cbr 400 down the back straight (it was an old modle though 1990+) and lapped the two ninja 250

would have been better had the rain not ended the day will be at the next one for sure

Thats good you got to the track chaos:banana:. get some real tyres and do a track day at Taupo , heaps of corners , will suit your bike better. Enter clubmans or 250ss at Rd1 Paccific club meeting , Nov 1st , track 2 (new taupo) Google it for track maps,
www.pacclub.co.nz for entry forms and details

[Pumba]

thanks frosty pity you couldnt come, i was listning to the mentors and did what they said, but i dont know if it was me over thinking or undercofident or what but it felt wrong. whent out second ses bit nervous cuz of the rain and my tyres bieng plastic and all.... and did my own thing, lstend to my bike and what it was telling me (how it felt and what lines it wanted) and i did way better. thanks for the tips on jenian btw

Sorry Chaos, I am just trying to ensure I have not miss-understood your comments above, so are you saing that you disregarded all the advice of the mentors and went better and faster round the track?

[DELLORTO]

its ford mountain you nit thers no need plus you only counter steer before you start turning to change the angle of the bike, its only an aid for getting the bike over you dont doo it through the corner unless your arse is out.

if you no so much about riding and what to do, why do you look like your taking a sunday cruise in your picture?

[kunoichi]

Just because a more experienced rider makes a suggestion about how they handle the track doesn't necessarily mean it'll fit exactly that way with you (most of them say that too), due to the difference in rider skills, bike handling and the placement of other riders on the track. What a more experienced rider can do, doesn't necessarily mean that a newbie can do it. What i think Chaos is trying to say, simply, is that after trying out the marshals suggestions, he found that if he rode with the skills he had and dealt with the handling of his bike and the placement of others on the track, he felt alot more comfortable, natural and ultimatly went round the track faster. After all, like Chaos said, it may of been a simple result of him 'over thinking things' too much as he tried to implement the marshals advice.

[Harvd]

Just because a more experienced rider makes a suggestion about how they handle the track doesn't necessarily mean it'll fit exactly that way with you (most of them say that too), due to the difference in rider skills, bike handling and the placement of other riders on the track. What a more experienced rider can do, doesn't necessarily mean that a newbie can do it. What i think Chaos is trying to say, simply, is that after trying out the marshals suggestions, he found that if he rode with the skills he had and dealt with the handling of his bike and the placement of others on the track, he felt alot more comfortable, natural and ultimatly went round the track faster. After all, like Chaos said, it may of been a simple result of him 'over thinking things' too much as he tried to implement the marshals advice.


U calling chaos a noob?

HOWDAREU

[kunoichi]

I'm simply saying he has a different set of skills than any other rider. As unique set of skills as u and i have, or any other biker.

[DELLORTO]

Just because a more experienced rider makes a suggestion about how they handle the track doesn't necessarily mean it'll fit exactly that way with you (most of them say that too), due to the difference in rider skills, bike handling and the placement of other riders on the track. What a more experienced rider can do, doesn't necessarily mean that a newbie can do it. What i think Chaos is trying to say, simply, is that after trying out the marshals suggestions, he found that if he rode with the skills he had and dealt with the handling of his bike and the placement of others on the track, he felt alot more comfortable, natural and ultimatly went round the track faster. After all, like Chaos said, it may of been a simple result of him 'over thinking things' too much as he tried to implement the marshals advice.

Chaos isnt the best racer on the face of the planet and since hes making comments like "geting your knee down is over rated" hes not making himself too popular.........how would he know what getting your knee down is like if he hasnt done it ??? persnally its i think its the funnist part!

and chaos your wrong puke has about 3 deccent places to put your knee down on.....

[Harvd]

well you are right he sure is special!

[kunoichi]

I'm not saying he's not making unjustified claims, as far as i know, he simply voices his opinion as a matter of fact until proven wrong. So he stated 'getting your knee down is over rated' as a matter of fact when actually it's simply an opinion. It doesn't come off very well, and i'm not surprised by the reactions on either party.

[Hiflyer]

And the GF comes to the rescue....

[NSR-Dan]

Of course he found it felt wrong trying what the mentors were telling him. If your used to doing it wrong then it is easier to keep doing it wrong. A good biker that is willing to learn will praactise what the mentors teach until it feels natural.

All the mentors do is teach the basics, and in any sport, getting the basics right all the time is what counts. Once you have the basics down, then you can put your unique touch on it. Ask any professional sportsman and ill guarentee they will agree.

PS..(ill probably get bad rep for this)
kunoichi...as you ride a new ninja 250 (just like the gt250, a daily commute with bling) and havent been on Kb for very long, im assuming your also a learner rider, which makes your comments bear as much weight as chaos's which we all know what thats worth. actually sorry your probably not that bad.

[DarkLord]

And the GF comes to the rescue....

Quoted for truth.

[mossy1200]

and for the record it is a test run for the bike and me but heres the bit you wont understand. I LIKE JUMPING IN THE DEEP END(its were im best and were i show the men how its done)..dont judge people you dont know!
so your welcome to come to the test run and watch me fail or hit the 1:20-1:18 mark round the track or you can quit running your mouth on a thread that is for people that want to do something no one is realy bothered with.


QUOTE
look im not starting shit with anyone. unlike some people...



and 10 laps is more then enough to get in the groove, if you cant get it right after 10 laps then ill be happy to lap your arse.... you earned it lol
.................................................. ................................................


I'm not saying he's not making unjustified claims, as far as i know, he simply voices his opinion as a matter of fact until proven wrong. So he stated 'getting your knee down is over rated' as a matter of fact when actually it's simply an opinion. It doesn't come off very well, and i'm not surprised by the reactions on either party.

We were just expecting some 1.20s and some serious lean angles with knees down etc

[gatch]

Ask any man and ill guarentee they will agree.


fixed for you..

[DELLORTO]

Of course he found it felt wrong trying what the mentors were telling him. If your used to doing it wrong then it is easier to keep doing it wrong. A good biker that is willing to learn will praactise what the mentors teach until it feels natural.

All the mentors do is teach the basics, and in any sport, getting the basics right all the time is what counts. Once you have the basics down, then you can put your unique touch on it. Ask any professional sportsman and ill guarentee they will agree.

your right.....i had to listen to a few people when i was learning.....and i still listen today to other more expirienced riders.....

if you add your own touch after you've learnt the basic's you just keep geting better and better....

[NSR-Dan]

fixed for you..

I Lol'd


For the record i crashed yesterday, entirely my fault. yes it was a gravel patch but it was my fault for not leaving an area for error, and not riding to the conditions. however, I GOT MY KNEE DOWN. :bleh:

[kunoichi]

i'm not trying to get sway or anything, i'm simply saying, well i understand what he's thinking (most of the time anyways) and putting it in a different way in hopes that perhaps maybe u guys will see it in a less aggressive manner. Yes i'm a noob commuter, same as chaos, and that puts me in a position where i can relate to what he is thinking. i would of thought the same thing if i were on the track, and after NSR-Dan's comment, i see the validity of your point (which i had not considered, and that is the whole point of these forums, to come across view points you have not considered) and now i would consider that next time on the track.

I'm just trying to make a less heated discussion with more profit and advice coming out of it than name calling and slandering. That's all. So next time i'm reitterating what chaos just said, it's simply to place more understanding in the thread so more valid discussions can occur.

[kunoichi]

I Lol'd


For the record i crashed yesterday, entirely my fault. yes it was a gravel patch but it was my fault for not leaving an area for error, and not riding to the conditions. however, I GOT MY KNEE DOWN. :bleh:

Too bad about the crash btw. LOL, atleast its a new spin on getting your knee down.

BTW i dont' know how useless or useful a knee down position is, but i managed to get my knee down on the coro loop last year, going up a twisty hill (i always find i can handle my bike a heck of alot better going uphill rather than down), i was tucked in behind a busa i think, and just stuck to him, followed his lines and i had my knee down before i even knew what happened! (evidence on my cordural pants, slight fraying, i pulled up my bike from the shock i got). In my opinion, if knee down is natural in that particular turn at that particular speed, then it's not a hinderence. However, if you are purposefully throwing your bike around trying to get your knee down, i could see how that might not be the fastest way around the track.

[McWild]

I want to have your babies Chaos.

[NSR-Dan]

Most of the name calling and slandering of chaos is the result of the out streched hand of help myself and many others have offered to chaos, to only be shot down in flames, as he truely believes he is gods gift to this world and above everyone with many more years of wisdom and riding experience.

[mossy1200]

i'm not trying to get sway or anything, i'm simply saying, well i understand what he's thinking (most of the time anyways) and putting it in a different way in hopes that perhaps maybe u guys will see it in a less aggressive manner. Yes i'm a noob commuter, same as chaos, and that puts me in a position where i can relate to what he is thinking. i would of thought the same thing if i were on the track, and after NSR-Dan's comment, i see the validity of your point (which i had not considered, and that is the whole point of these forums, to come across view points you have not considered) and now i would consider that next time on the track.

I'm just trying to make a less heated discussion with more profit and advice coming out of it than name calling and slandering. That's all. So next time i'm reitterating what chaos just said, it's simply to place more understanding in the thread so more valid discussions can occur.
Dont get us wrong we dont mind Chaos and this thread is a whopper but advice taking is not his strong point.I sucked up advice like a sponge when I started and the guys at the track are more than willing to offer it.Chaos has a reinvent the wheel(flywheel)approach.

[RDjase]

i'm not trying to get sway or anything, i'm simply saying, well i understand what he's thinking (most of the time anyways) and putting it in a different way in hopes that perhaps maybe u guys will see it in a less aggressive manner. Yes i'm a noob commuter, same as chaos, and that puts me in a position where i can relate to what he is thinking. i would of thought the same thing if i were on the track, and after NSR-Dan's comment, i see the validity of your point (which i had not considered, and that is the whole point of these forums, to come across view points you have not considered) and now i would consider that next time on the track.

I'm just trying to make a less heated discussion with more profit and advice coming out of it than name calling and slandering. That's all. So next time i'm reitterating what chaos just said, it's simply to place more understanding in the thread so more valid discussions can occur.


Thats good you got to the track chaos:banana:. get some real tyres and do a track day at Taupo , heaps of corners , will suit your bike better. Enter clubmans or 250ss at Rd1 Paccific club meeting , Nov 1st , track 2 (new taupo) Google it for track maps,
www.pacclub.co.nz for entry forms and details


Why dont both of you enter on Nov 1st, it will a great meeting on a fun track

[kunoichi]

LOL, yes i realize he's created quiet a stir, and isnt' doing the typical noob soaking sponge-like state that most of us warp into when doing something new.

But Chaos has been around bikes for a long time and doesn't consider himself a noob, except a track day noob (him and his dad tinker and rebuild bikes and engines all the time, so i'm not surprised that he doesn't consider himself a noob). Anyways, i'm not saying he's right to burn down ur advice etc, but the boy has some assumptions in his head that he refuses to give up until proven wrong either through practice or other evidence other than 'kuz that's the way it's always been done'. Lets put it this way, he'll question anything and everything, and you must admit that this is a trait of a revolutionary thinker. I'm not condoning the way he goes about it (infact i try to make his responses less aggressive whenever i can), but it's his way.

[kunoichi]

Why dont both of you enter on Nov 1st, it will a great meeting on a fun track

that's the puke track day is it? Well i plan to be there at the very least, and might give a go around the track, but i'd consider myself a timid rider, so don't really know if it's worth forking out the cash for it.

[NSR-Dan]

that's the puke track day is it? Well i plan to be there at the very least, and might give a go around the track, but i'd consider myself a timid rider, so don't really know if it's worth forking out the cash for it.

Taupo Track day, track 2

[kunoichi]

I suppose i could arrange to drop by my parents for the night, but then it all comes down to cash...and i think uni exams starts around then! Not planing to go on the puke one?

[RDjase]

that's the puke track day is it? Well i plan to be there at the very least, and might give a go around the track, but i'd consider myself a timid rider, so don't really know if it's worth forking out the cash for it.

It was AMCC round 1 but it changed date because of the race date clash PMCC/AMCC as some riders are doing both series. Taupo would suit your bikes well, less of a horsepower track,
A timid rider ...... NOT , you got your knee down , COOL :2thumbsup Get down to taupo and have a thrash around in 250 street stock.

Kunoichi Vs Chaos

Place bets now

It will have more intrest than the Camaron Vs Tau fight

[RDjase]

Taupo Track day, track 2
Its a race day:banana: , not track day , Real passing mate , none of that only on the outside crap aye:banana:

[kunoichi]

Well i don't plan to do a race day as my first time on the track. LOL, and i don't know about beating Chaos either. When we first started riding together, our skill level was about the same, and i'd imagine they would still be similar, but he's got the modified and lighter bike. Would put him at an advantage to say the least, plus he's definatly more gutsy and throttle happy. I'm looking at selling my bike, so i won't be doing anything stupid on it. But if anyone can make puke, i'll b the chick on the green kwaka with the white leather jacket. Come up and introduce urself, i'm all up to meeting new ppl. :D

[R6_kid]

its ford mountain you nit thers no need plus you only counter steer before you start turning to change the angle of the bike, its only an aid for getting the bike over you dont doo it through the corner unless your arse is out.

So you can take your hands off the bars and the bike will still keep turning?

It's physics bro, you can't beat it. Counter-steering relies on the principle of gyroscopic procession. Google it, or better still, look it up in a physics textbook. If you release the pressure from the bars (i.e stop counter steering) then the wheel will swing back to centre (that's what it wants to do, run in a straight line) and due to gyroscopic procession, it will make the bike stand up.

You CANNOT turn a bike at high speed without counter-steering through the handle bars (disregarding either spinning it up, or braking, which would be more or less uncontrolled without counter-steering). You may think that you are not countersteering to turn in a corner, but if you analyse what you are doing you will find that you are indirectly (or without knowing otherwise) counter steering the bike.

[chaos rider]

So you can take your hands off the bars and the bike will still keep turning?

It's physics bro, you can't beat it. Counter-steering relies on the principle of gyroscopic procession. Google it, or better still, look it up in a physics textbook. If you release the pressure from the bars (i.e stop counter steering) then the wheel will swing back to centre (that's what it wants to do, run in a straight line) and due to gyroscopic procession, it will make the bike stand up.

You CANNOT turn a bike at high speed without counter-steering through the handle bars (disregarding either spinning it up, or braking, which would be more or less uncontrolled without counter-steering). You may think that you are not countersteering to turn in a corner, but if you analyse what you are doing you will find that you are indirectly (or without knowing otherwise) counter steering the bike.

ok now i just love that.

yes i understand the gyroscopic principals and rotational inertia that the wheel has on the angle of the bike. but i would love to see you counter steer when your IN the corner. see what happens, ill bring popcorn

its things like this that make me laugh. yes you counter steer but the purpose is to anle the bike or to aid in leaning once your down you need to turn back in. and i never said i could take my hands of the bars.

and i assumed no one on here was dumb enough to think they were still counter steering IN a corner, but i apolagize i was very wrong

:2thumbsup

[mossy1200]

ok now i just love that.

yes i understand the gyroscopic principals and rotational inertia that the wheel has on the angle of the bike. but i would love to see you counter steer when your IN the corner. see what happens, ill bring popcorn

its things like this that make me laugh. yes you counter steer but the purpose is to anle the bike or to aid in leaning once your down you need to turn back in. and i never said i could take my hands of the bars.

and i assumed no one on here was dumb enough to think they were still counter steering IN a corner, but i apolagize i was very wrong

:2thumbsupIll just keep my counter steering through the whole corner cause I dont like riding off the track.Failure to counter steer = bike stand up and go straight usually best done when cornering complete.

[NSR-Dan]

I want to see chaos straighten his bike up after counter steering while in a corner, it would give "highside photography" meaning to their name.

[gatch]

Kunoichi Vs Chaos


I hear Kunoichi is paying about $1.01....


ok now i just love that.

yes i understand the gyroscopic principals and rotational inertia that the wheel has on the angle of the bike. but i would love to see you counter steer when your IN the corner. see what happens, ill bring popcorn

its things like this that make me laugh. yes you counter steer but the purpose is to anle the bike or to aid in leaning once your down you need to turn back in. and i never said i could take my hands of the bars.

and i assumed no one on here was dumb enough to think they were still counter steering IN a corner, but i apolagize i was very wrong

:2thumbsup

You do understand the difference between counter steering like pointing the wheels in the direction of a slide and counter steering like you actually need to do to make a motorcycle turn at high speed, there is a difference..


Just in case you didn't realize...

[NSR-Dan]

I hear Kunoichi is paying about $1.01....

Does that mean Chaos is paying $16

[kunoichi]

I hear Kunoichi is paying about $1.01....

I'm doing no such thing! i didn't even agree to race. I just said i wanted a go on the track, i will NOT be joining the race day at Taupo!

[chaos rider]

note
i have never said anything that i havent already learnt from people with experience

i did listen to the mentors and i did as they said but it felt wrong (not saying they are wrong)

some facts on knee sliding

1979 was when kenny roberts started putting tape on his lethers knee. and every one laughed! this was when knee sliding came to road racing.
the skill of knee sliding was created to aid the bike in cornering when hp exceeds that of the tyres abilitys. ref "Faster" moto GP documentry from kenny roberts mouth himself

i am still very inexpirienced and im not going to get better if i go aroung trying to get my knee down

when i ride its a cooperation between me and the bike i feel what the bike is doing as well as i feel with my own arm. ill listen till my ears bleed but at the end of the day its me and the bike that need to try it and see if it works for us. i dont force my bike to lean that far because i want to do a wank and get my knee down. no i learn about how every movement effects the bike

did you know that to gain speed when your tapped down the straight try moving your ass back 3 inch and raise it of the seat by and inch. this aids the your airodynamics and your traction by acting as a second dampining system to help get more weight down at high speed (reduce the time your rear wheel spends off the ground, becuause at 180+ the wheels bounce off the smallest little bumbs and it happens alot)

you all might know about shifting your weight onto the corret peg for the corner ie left peg, right peg for the corner. but did you know you can to do it for arms to? pulling or pushing with your arms (not like when your steering), usefull when your leaving the corner and you need to keep the front down (i realy dont need it for my bike but its good practice for when i move up)

things i still need to learn are... assesing corner entering speed, holding corner speed and honing where and when i get back on the throtle. you can give me all the tips and advice you want and ill listen and ill try it. but if i can see what you say isnt going to work without even needing to try it ill tell you and you can explaine it some more incase i didnt quite understand what you ment.

the people ive learned from are the real pros ive watched them over and over ive analised and researched what the did and why they did it.keven shwantz, kenny roberts, valintino, the hopper, N. hayden and many superbike riders. but i even question them, because somewhere theres somthing someone overlooked or found but only took it so far.

i do sound agresive with what i say but thats just cuz my comunicational skills with people are as bad as my spelling. still looking for the spell check add on for firefox cuz its not on it yet and i need to find it and install it still

if you read all of that i thank you for your time because it was alot and im sorry

[Mully]

Right, I'm calling this now:

Chaos Rider is Ashton Kutcher and he has been punking everyone here since day one.

There, I said it. Remember who said it first.

[gatch]

Does that mean Chaos is paying $16

Yes, bets in before the deadline.


I just said i wanted a go on the track, i will be joining the race day at Taupo!

Hehe fixed for you, I knew thats what you meant..


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i have never said anything that i havent already learnt from people with experience

i did listen to the mentors and i did as they said but it felt wrong (not saying they are wrong)

some facts on knee sliding

1979 was when kenny roberts started putting tape on his lethers knee. and every one laughed! this was when knee sliding came to road racing.
the skill of knee sliding was created to aid the bike in cornering when hp exceeds that of the tyres abilitys. ref "Faster" moto GP documentry from kenny roberts mouth himself

i am still very inexpirienced and im not going to get better if i go aroung trying to get my knee down

when i ride its a cooperation between me and the bike i feel what the bike is doing as well as i feel with my own arm. ill listen till my ears bleed but at the end of the day its me and the bike that need to try it and see if it works for us. i dont force my bike to lean that far because i want to do a wank and get my knee down. no i learn about how every movement effects the bike

did you know that to gain speed when your tapped down the straight try moving your ass back 3 inch and raise it of the seat by and inch. this aids the your airodynamics and your traction by acting as a second dampining system to help get more weight down at high speed (reduce the time your rear wheel spends off the ground, becuause at 180+ the wheels bounce off the smallest little bumbs and it happens alot)

you all might know about shifting your weight onto the corret peg for the corner ie left peg, right peg for the corner. but did you know you can to do it for arms to? pulling or pushing with your arms (not like when your steering), usefull when your leaving the corner and you need to keep the front down (i realy dont need it for my bike but its good practice for when i move up)

things i still need to learn are... assesing corner entering speed, holding corner speed and honing where and when i get back on the throtle. you can give me all the tips and advice you want and ill listen and ill try it. but if i can see what you say isnt going to work without even needing to try it ill tell you and you can explaine it some more incase i didnt quite understand what you ment.

the people ive learned from are the real pros ive watched them over and over ive analised and researched what the did and why they did it.keven shwantz, kenny roberts, valintino, the hopper, N. hayden and many superbike riders. but i even question them, because somewhere theres somthing someone overlooked or found but only took it so far.

i do sound agresive with what i say but thats just cuz my comunicational skills with people are as bad as my spelling. still looking for the spell check add on for firefox cuz its not on it yet and i need to find it and install it still

if you read all of that i thank you for your time because it was alot and im sorry

You have a promising future in stand up..

[chaos rider]

ok time to clear shit up some more

counter steering.. to turn the handle in the opisite direction you to go

left turn..
turn right to tip the bike to the left (keep the bars turned right and youll keep leang oh shit thers the track you just lowsided you fail!)

once youve got the bike at the correct angle for the turn and speed you turn in (turn left)

depending on speed thease movements are only 5 to 10 degres, its not much

[kunoichi]

well all those betting on me will be making a loss then! I'm not playing my horse is bigger than yours, it's pointless and won't prove anything.

[Mully]

Stop it!!!

All of you stop feeding the troll!!!

Just stop it.

[DarkLord]

I wouldn't say you "lean" the bike to the right, and it goes left. You push on the right handlebar, as in push it forwards, and the bike will dip to the left. Same as if you pull it towards you, it will dip to the right.

[gatch]

ok time to clear shit up some more

counter steering.. to turn the handle in the opisite direction you to go

left turn..
turn right to tip the bike to the left (keep the bars turned right and youll keep leang oh shit thers the track you just lowsided you fail!)

once youve got the bike at the correct angle for the turn and speed you turn in (turn left)

depending on speed thease movements are only 5 to 10 degres, its not much

No ! wrong, Fail !

If you do not keep pressure on the inside bar you may as well try and do a back flip off your bike, because to the innocent bystanders that's what it is going to look like.


well all those betting on me will be making a loss then! I'm not playing my horse is bigger than yours, it's pointless and won't prove anything.

So ? You've had your knee down though..

[kunoichi]

one knee down that was the cause of tucking in behind a busa does not count as a skill advancement. I havn't been able to do it since. I'm a decent rider, i think, but i don't exactly have the biggest of balls. Probably because i don't have the cash to back me up incase i fuck up tho.

[chaos rider]

No ! wrong, Fail !

If you do not keep pressure on the inside bar you may as well try and do a back flip off your bike, because to the innocent bystanders that's what it is going to look like.



So ? You've had your knee down though..

so you think you have the front wheel pointing right for a left hand turn?

ok ill find you some slow motion videos of bikes in corners

links here soon

[chaos rider]

i rest my case (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P06kyy70g70) if you still want to argue i sugest you open a new thread

[chaos rider]

some people still counter steer or at least they still aply the same forces with their hands but the wheel dose turn into the corner.
its how it trys to corect the lean angle

in many cases once your in the corner its more productive to pull into the corner and to stop counter steering

[chaos rider]

another (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJTEShZsg54)

wheel is almost straight through the corner but still turn in a bit

[cheesemethod]

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009/Hyper+Slow+Motion+at+Sachsenring

Note when the front wheel is in the air they are already countersteering for the next corner, the bike tips as soon as the front touches the ground.

[chaos rider]

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009/Hyper+Slow+Motion+at+Sachsenring

Note when the front wheel is in the air they are already countersteering for the next corner, the bike tips as soon as the front touches the ground.
yes but note the wheels are turning into the corner when their down

thanks for the link good example

[chaos rider]

more slowmotion shots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r0GRWEDB0o) of bikes turning into the corner

its hard to prove cuz no one looks down to see what angle they are actualy steering at

im shocked so many of you dont know about this

[cheesemethod]

yes but note the wheels are turning into the corner when their down

I would dispute that. It's easier to see with the second bike through, once the front wheel hits the ground and snaps straight, you see him recorrect to the right slightly, all in aid of turning left.

[chaos rider]

I would dispute that. It's easier to see with the second bike through, once the front wheel hits the ground and snaps straight, you see him recorrect to the right slightly, all in aid of turning left.

yes to bring the bike down but the wheel turns into the corner despite him countering

[cheesemethod]

yes to bring the bike down but the wheel turns into the corner despite him countering
:slap:

So, what, the forks twist or something? I don't understand how the wheel can turn into the corner if the rider is turning out.

[chaos rider]

:slap:

So, what, the forks twist or something? I don't understand how the wheel can turn into the corner if the rider is turning out.

no before that when he turns in he counter steers then the wheels turn in to try traighten the bike then you turn them some more and the bike lifts outa the corner

[cheesemethod]

You're ability to make sense seems to be inversely proportional to the time it takes you to explain something. So much so that I have now completely quit trying to comprehend your rantings, they make me feel somewhat seasick. I have come across many a personality like yourself before, chaos, and for your sake I will attempt to explain to you why you have pissed so many people off, as I'm sure you refuse to attempt any form of self-reflective thinking.

Despite the fact that you have so many skilled people willing to share their knowledge, you feel the need to deny any viewpoint that contradicts with your own. You have a personal obsession with being right, and attempting to prove other people wrong. I assume you feel some sort of self rightous glory every time you suggest that somebody else is wrong and that you are right.

This feeling of empowerment leads to a considerable amount of self delusion, ergo you begin to value your own opinions over the truth. This is why none of what you write makes any sense any more, you have given up all need to actually write something comprehensible, you solely write these things to exert the impression to everybody else that you are right.

However don't think I'm writing this out of some sort of ego trip, or spite. I simply enjoy watching you make an arse out of yourself in a public forum. I have no doubt that one day you will venture into the world of motorcycle racing, and I should imagine you will find that the world is a very small place. Nobody will want to help you out as you have already proven that the only opinion you value is your own. So good luck finding race coaches or mechanics or support crews in future, I think you're going to need it.

[mossy1200]

You promised it would only take 10 laps

"and 10 laps is more then enough to get in the groove, if you cant get it right after 10 laps then ill be happy to lap your arse.... you earned it lol"

[RDjase]

I bet everyone is tired this morning:yawn:

A very Busy night on The Chaos Thread:eek5:

[Mully]

I simply enjoy watching you make an arse out of yourself in a public forum.

True. Hence my call that he's Ashton Kutcher, punking everybody.


opinion you value is your own. So good luck finding race coaches or mechanics or support crews in future, I think you're going to need it.

Now, you know that's not true. His Dad is a fountain of useful knowledge.

My personal favourites from Chaos Senior is:
"Bikes don't have flywheels" and
"No, Chaos. You didn't fuck up that corner. There was nothing you could have done. It's the council's fault and they'll have to pay" (I'm still laughing about that one - I've saved the pic he drew his "lines" on to my PC to look at to cheer me up. What's even better is I've showed it to someone who doesn't even ride and he picked that Chaos's line was up the shit. Oh how I laughed at that. Now, what was I saying before I opened these brackets? Oh right. Anything else? No, I think I'm done. As you were)

[Brett]

i rest my case (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P06kyy70g70) if you still want to argue i sugest you open a new thread

You cant compare using that video, riding at slow speed and riding at higher speeds puts different forces on a bike..when going that slow, the rider turns left to go left and right to go right, try turning like that at say 100kmh or 200kmh and you will find that pushing the bars left send you right and vice versa.

[R6_kid]

ok now i just love that.

yes i understand the gyroscopic principals and rotational inertia that the wheel has on the angle of the bike. but i would love to see you counter steer when your IN the corner. see what happens, ill bring popcorn

its things like this that make me laugh. yes you counter steer but the purpose is to anle the bike or to aid in leaning once your down you need to turn back in. and i never said i could take my hands of the bars.

and i assumed no one on here was dumb enough to think they were still counter steering IN a corner, but i apolagize i was very wrong

:2thumbsup

So when you are in a corner, you have no weight on the bars?

Unless you are through the corner and riding in a straight line you will have more pressure on one of the bars - this is countersteering.

By the way, you are right about where the wheel is pointing in the turn - once you have countersteered the bike over into the lean the wheel will turn into the direction in which the bike is travelling, however you are now countersteering by putting weight on the outside bar to stop the bike from turning in too much (and lowsiding). "As the desired angle is approached, the front wheel must then be steered into the turn to maintain that angle or the bike will continue to lean with gravity, increasing in rate, until the side contacts the ground." - you are now countersteering out of the corner to stop the bike from falling over, and thus holding your line. Part of what I said in my last post was incorrect, but the overall idea was right.

Oh, and chill out. People might not hate on you so much if you argued their points with substantiated evidence rather than insulting them for being 'stupid' for not agreeing with you. Be the bigger man.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Be the bigger man.

Gotta be 'A' man before you can be the bigger man!

[McWild]

True. Hence my call that he's Ashton Kutcher, punking everybody.


Or just successful troll.

[ajturbo]

come on guys... he is just having you all on... giving you a real good wind up.....
bet he laughs all day after he reads all your comments... like i do

[NSR-Dan]

if this is a troll, ii should deserve media attention for being the biggest troll ever. might qualify for some record.

[Harvd]

hmmm smells trolly does it?

[chaos rider]

So when you are in a corner, you have no weight on the bars?

Unless you are through the corner and riding in a straight line you will have more pressure on one of the bars - this is countersteering.

By the way, you are right about where the wheel is pointing in the turn - once you have countersteered the bike over into the lean the wheel will turn into the direction in which the bike is travelling, however you are now countersteering by putting weight on the outside bar to stop the bike from turning in too much (and lowsiding). "As the desired angle is approached, the front wheel must then be steered into the turn to maintain that angle or the bike will continue to lean with gravity, increasing in rate, until the side contacts the ground." - you are now countersteering out of the corner to stop the bike from falling over, and thus holding your line. Part of what I said in my last post was incorrect, but the overall idea was right.

Oh, and chill out. People might not hate on you so much if you argued their points with substantiated evidence rather than insulting them for being 'stupid' for not agreeing with you. Be the bigger man.

well thats what im talking about. not what the rider is doing but what the bike does.

it really gets annyoing when i cant explaine what i meen. now i dont actualy countersteer (push the bars) i let the bike take the line and i just rearwheel steer (use acceleration/ speed to ballence the bike its a difrent way of turning that lets you go fast around a corner without the need of getting as far down hence my huge chicken strips

oh ill take some pics of the marbles on my tyres as small bit of prof about me drifting over ford mountain its not much but its definitly from lighting up sideways no other way making them

[R6_kid]

oh ill take some pics of the marbles on my tyres as small bit of prof about me drifting over ford mountain its not much but its definitly from lighting up sideways no other way making them

Shit suspension will do that too. The tyres on my bucket were all balled up, from all of about 12hp, and really shit suspension.

[Pumba]

note
i have never said anything that i havent already learnt from people with experience

i did listen to the mentors and i did as they said but it felt wrong (not saying they are wrong)

Thank you for answering my question, I appear to have mis-interpreted your orginal post, thanks again for clarifying.

[ducatilover]

I want to have your babies Chaos.
I'm keen for a three way

ok now i just love that.

yes i understand the gyroscopic principals and rotational inertia that the wheel has on the angle of the bike. but i would love to see you counter steer when your IN the corner. see what happens, ill bring popcorn

its things like this that make me laugh. yes you counter steer but the purpose is to anle the bike or to aid in leaning once your down you need to turn back in. and i never said i could take my hands of the bars.

and i assumed no one on here was dumb enough to think they were still counter steering IN a corner, but i apolagize i was very wrong

:2thumbsup Jesus mate, I was wrong and always have been. I really had the strange idea that countersteer in mid corner helped bring the bike down and in tighter? But using your noggin and not wrenching the bars....Yet again, I have been informed I know fuck all. I better quit the racing team and give up my hobbies, leave my job as my boss is an experienced chap and is telling me porkies. This sucks, I need a sandwich


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i have never said anything that i havent already learnt from people with experience



if you read all of that i thank you for your time because it was alot and im sorry Ever seen Rossi drop his foot of the inside peg? It's cool.


ok time to clear shit up some more

counter steering.. to turn the handle in the opisite direction you to go

left turn..
turn right to tip the bike to the left (keep the bars turned right and youll keep leang oh shit thers the track you just lowsided you fail!)

once youve got the bike at the correct angle for the turn and speed you turn in (turn left)

depending on speed thease movements are only 5 to 10 degres, its not much :whistle: Yup

[ducatilover]

Bloody good to see photo's of you out there Chaos, keep up the work and bring us some full on big angle pics and work on your riding. Have fun and be safe [condoms and no eating poo]

[Pumba]

but its definitly from lighting up sideways no other way making them

Sorry, I disagree with the above comment.

Edit; Sorry I should qualify my statement (how un-professional of me not to do so originally). There are many other things that will cause tyres to react in such a mannor. Incorrect suspension dampening, or incorrect tyre pressures are just two examples I can think of off the top of my head.


Shit suspension will do that too. The tyres on my bucket were all balled up, from all of about 12hp, and really shit suspension.

Hey that suspenson was high quality, not my falt you didnt know how to operate it:whistle: (neither did I for that matter, but that is not the point of this post).

Thats I am out of this thread and going back to a spectator, its more enjoyable.

[DELLORTO]

well thats what im talking about. not what the rider is doing but what the bike does.

it really gets annyoing when i cant explaine what i meen. now i dont actualy countersteer (push the bars) i let the bike take the line and i just rearwheel steer (use acceleration/ speed to ballence the bike its a difrent way of turning that lets you go fast around a corner without the need of getting as far down hence my huge chicken strips

oh ill take some pics of the marbles on my tyres as small bit of prof about me drifting over ford mountain its not much but its definitly from lighting up sideways no other way making them

i can drift a pocket bike big deal......."its annoying when i cant explain what i mean" thats because 99% of the time your wrong..... you cant start at the top of the "racing knowledge tree" you have to work your way up there with experience {something you dont have}......just race your hardest and listen to more expirienced racers and you'll find yourself getting better. -max

[ducatilover]

i can drift a pocket bike big deal......."its annoying when i cant explain what i mean" thats because 99% of the time your wrong..... you cant start at the top of the "racing knowledge tree" you have to work your way up there with experience {something you dont have}......just race your hardest and listen to more expirienced racers and you'll find yourself getting better. -max

Oh yeah, he will really listen to you :hug:

Who want's a beer? I've got some spare time now, finished a big job so it's time to troll

[DELLORTO]

Oh yeah, he will really listen to you :hug:

Who want's a beer? I've got some spare time now, finished a big job so it's time to troll

why wouldnt he listen to me?? im super wise....:woohoo:

[ducatilover]

why wouldnt he listen to me?? im super wise....:woohoo:

Because he is actually very smart. Look at his report, power sliding a 33hp [when factory set up, not running too lean] hyosung in 4th:woohoo:

[mossy1200]

Now im confused cause my tyres ball up when I have the air pressure correct but I dont get mine to drift cause 145hp cant quite manage that.My brakes are strong enough to back it into corners sideways though.It doesnt make me any faster though.Cant find any chicken strips on mine just gobs of bubbly rubber where they should be.
Im so confused that I may just chuck in the towel.

Get us some cam footage so I can learn something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jvd8zUPIXA I guess this is a how not 2do it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Doing the sweeper and the infield bit wrong mate...but still humming along nicely!

[mossy1200]

Doing the sweeper and the infield bit wrong mate...but still humming along nicely!

The last lap was the only hot lap so the lines were different on that one.(qualify session and scrub in)
I like it out there as its great for lapped traffic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPVjh8qxxaY
Long track

[ducatilover]

Chaos will destroy all. He knows lots of stuff. :woohoo: I wish I could launch like him.

[NSR-Dan]

why wouldnt he listen to me?? im super wise....:woohoo:

Because you are obviously of no calibre compared to the allmighty chaos rider.

All bow down to his glory.:not::not::not::not::not:

[NSR-Dan]

I remember my boss once saying and i fully agree with him.
"If your new to something, best way to start it is to shutup and listen. If you are inexperianced, your not qualified to have an opinion."

[Mully]

I remember my boss once saying and i fully agree with him.
"If your new to something, best way to start it is to shutup and listen. If you are inexperianced, your not qualified to have an opinion."

I remember being told:
"If your age is single digits, shut up; you know nothing.
If your age starts with a '1', then shut up most of the time; you know very little."

[NSR-Dan]

back on the topic of streetstock 250's, i was reading the rules and it looks like any 4stroke production bike is allowed, so sorry chaos your going to get owned when everyone starts turning up on zxr's, cbr's etc etc.

[chaos rider]

back on the topic of streetstock 250's, i was reading the rules and it looks like any 4stroke production bike is allowed, so sorry chaos your going to get owned when everyone starts turning up on zxr's, cbr's etc etc.

only if its been sold in nz since 2001 and has 2 cylinders, and its not the streetstocks its the production lights- prolights 250

[NSR-Dan]

only if its been sold in nz since 2001 and has 2 cylinders, and its not the streetstocks its the production lights- prolights 250

oh i assumed it was streetstock as that is the title of this thread.

[chaos rider]

oh i assumed it was streetstock as that is the title of this thread.

yes but if you read on it does say 250 4STROKE TWIN

its not much cuz i still had to go round again to come into the pits on my last lap, but because of where on the tyre it is you can see its not from suspension or air presure
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remember they are shinkos so getting them to slide is not hard

[ajturbo]

why is there so much dirt on them?.... you crash???

[Hiflyer]

that bike looks red...

[NSR-Dan]

Looks red to me, you can see the lower right hand side fairing.

Also chaos admits its easy to get shinko's to loose grip. does this mean he is admiting he is wrong as he said a shinko is an awsome tyre. Sorry but tyres that loose grip easy are not good tyres.

PS. They are some mighty large chicken strips

[Hiflyer]

Looks red to me, you can see the lower right hand side fairing.

Also chaos admits its easy to get shinko's to loose grip. does this mean he is admiting he is wrong as he said a shinko is an awsome tyre. Sorry but tyres that loose grip easy are not good tyres.

PS. They are some mighty large chicken strips

Mustn't be his cos hes a mighty awesome rider who wouldn't have chicken strips and he rides a black bike........

Post your own pics Kaos



(See how gangster I made you then bro, I spelled your name with a K.... now ur Gangs as.)

[mossy1200]

yes but if you read on it does say 250 4STROKE TWIN

its not much cuz i still had to go round again to come into the pits on my last lap, but because of where on the tyre it is you can see its not from suspension or air presure

remember they are shinkos so getting them to slide is not hard


Looks like your tyre is to large for the rim.Hence the extreme angle of the tred pattern near the edges.

cold sheer and balling up

[DELLORTO]

yes but if you read on it does say 250 4STROKE TWIN

its not much cuz i still had to go round again to come into the pits on my last lap, but because of where on the tyre it is you can see its not from suspension or air presure
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remember they are shinkos so getting them to slide is not hard

even my dad has less chincken strips than that and he rides a cruiser.....

[chaos rider]

you guys are blind its my sisters gz250 in the background you see thats red

cant you see the huge side mont springs

and yes the tyres are awsome in the dry but the spiin was in the wet

[kunoichi]

Just to confirm, his bike IS black. You can review back to those pics he posted earlier on the plastic work he did on the ferrings with me sitting on the bike. His sisters bike is red. That was off topic, but glad i could help clear that up!

[DELLORTO]

Just to confirm, his bike IS black. You can review back to those pics he posted earlier on the plastic work he did on the ferrings with me sitting on the bike. His sisters bike is red. That was off topic, but glad i could help clear that up!

i bet your bike is faster than his......:woohoo: you guys should have a race ;)

[chaos rider]

oh and the dirt is from the grass where we parked the van

[kunoichi]

I believe Chaos has a higher top speed than my bike. I have only taken mine up to 165km sitting at 11000rpm. It doesn't have much more speed to give unfortunatly. She's a nice learner bike tho, don't regret her as my first bike.

[DELLORTO]

I believe Chaos has a higher top speed than my bike. I have only taken mine up to 165km sitting at 11000rpm. It doesn't have much more speed to give unfortunatly. She's a nice learner bike tho, don't regret her as my first bike.

na chaos hyosung wouldnt get more than 165km/h......at tps it would get 160km/h remeber its only a 5 speed

[kunoichi]

him and his dad went for a ride, i believe they got atleast up to 180km.

[DELLORTO]

him and his dad went for a ride, i believe they got atleast up to 180km.

well thats apsolute crap........well apparently fxr150 speedos say they're going 140km/h stock........only a modded one will do that.....

[Mully]

him and his dad went for a ride, i believe they got atleast up to 180km.

Well, if it was him and his dad, that's different.

[mossy1200]

him and his dad went for a ride, i believe they got atleast up to 180km.

Displacement: 249.00 ccm (15.19 cubic inches)
Engine type: V2
Stroke: 4
Compression: 10.2:1
Bore x stroke: 57.0 x 48.8 mm (2.2 x 1.9 inches)
Fuel system: Carburettor
Fuel control: DOHC
Starter: Electric
Cooling system: Oil & air
Gearbox: 5-speed
Transmission type
final drive: Chain
Clutch: Wet Multi-Plate Type
Physical measures
Dry weight: 126.0 kg (277.8 pounds)
Seat height: 795 mm (31.3 inches) If adjustable, lowest setting.
Overall length: 2,080 mm (81.9 inches)
Overall width: 760 mm (29.9 inches)
Chassis and dimensions
Frame type: Double cradle
Rear suspension: Gas shock absorber, Pre-Load Adjustable
Front tyre dimensions: 110/70-H17
Rear tyre dimensions: 150/70-H17
Front brakes: Double disc
Rear brakes: Single disc
Speed and acceleration
Top speed: 140.0 km/h (87.0 mph)


That makes it 40km/h faster than stock.That kind of revs could rip the flywheel right off a GT250 unless it was geared up 25% higher than stock sprockets.

Mines geared down about 10% for the track.

[kunoichi]

Well, if it was him and his dad, that's different.

There is no need to be aggressive or condesending. That's pitiful and you should just grow up and learn to discuss things in a civilized manner than just b sarcastic, tread on people's toes and create an argument!

As for the post beneath this one, i know almost nothing about engines and their capability and that meant nothing to me. Sorry

[DELLORTO]

Displacement: 249.00 ccm (15.19 cubic inches)
Engine type: V2
Stroke: 4
Compression: 10.2:1
Bore x stroke: 57.0 x 48.8 mm (2.2 x 1.9 inches)
Fuel system: Carburettor
Fuel control: DOHC
Starter: Electric
Cooling system: Oil & air
Gearbox: 5-speed
Transmission type
final drive: Chain
Clutch: Wet Multi-Plate Type
Physical measures
Dry weight: 126.0 kg (277.8 pounds)
Seat height: 795 mm (31.3 inches) If adjustable, lowest setting.
Overall length: 2,080 mm (81.9 inches)
Overall width: 760 mm (29.9 inches)
Chassis and dimensions
Frame type: Double cradle
Rear suspension: Gas shock absorber, Pre-Load Adjustable
Front tyre dimensions: 110/70-H17
Rear tyre dimensions: 150/70-H17
Front brakes: Double disc
Rear brakes: Single disc
Speed and acceleration
Top speed: 140.0 km/h (87.0 mph)


That makes it 40km/h faster than stock.That kind of revs could rip the flywheel right off a GT250 unless it was geared up 25% higher than stock sprockets.

Mines geared down about 10% for the track.

even if it was geared up 25% it would be so slow accelerating that getting to 180km/h would take decades.......

its just not possible with what hes done to the bike

[Ragingrob]

That makes it 40km/h faster than stock.That kind of revs could rip the flywheel right off a GT250 unless it was geared up 25% higher than stock sprockets.

Mines geared down about 10% for the track.

But his bike doesn't have a flywheel! :doh:

[Brett]

him and his dad went for a ride, i believe they got atleast up to 180km.

Yeah that is BS. I have ridden a few hyobags and they wont do that...they may show an indicated 180 which would be more like 160kph, but I doubt they would even do that!

chaos, with chicken strips like thsoe tyres are showing, I am not sure that tyre should be showing nearly that much wear/damage...suspension? Shit tyres? I know you think Shenko are great, but try a Dunlop GPR 100's or similar and then give us a review...I think you will be surprised how shit the tyres you are running are.

[chaos rider]

i can assure you all my hyo does 178km/h last i checked and im absolutly sure shes faster now

like i said before i thrashed all the other 250s at the trackday no the straight

i realy dont give a shit what stat you come out with ive broken 170 and possibly 180 but ive without a doubt taken her faster then 170

ill be more then happy to do a demo for anyone who thinks there 250 4stroke is faster

the cbr 400 at puki was even slower down the backstraight then me

[Mully]

There is no need to be aggressive or condesending. That's pitiful and you should just grow up and learn to discuss things in a civilized manner than just b sarcastic, tread on people's toes and create an argument!

But I'm so good at it.......

In my defense, he has regularly claimed that his dad has said this or that which has been so comprehendingly, utterly, laughably, window-lickingly incorrect that any claim he makes that is allegedly supported by his dad should be treated with a healthy dose of, well, disbelief and derision.

And there is no way, Evolved or not, that his Hyosung did an actual 180km/h. Indicated I will conceed.

I note that he has still not posted any lap times from his track day, despite being asked repeatedly.

[chaos rider]

Yeah that is BS. I have ridden a few hyobags and they wont do that...they may show an indicated 180 which would be more like 160kph, but I doubt they would even do that!

chaos, with chicken strips like thsoe tyres are showing, I am not sure that tyre should be showing nearly that much wear/damage...suspension? Shit tyres? I know you think Shenko are great, but try a Dunlop GPR 100's or similar and then give us a review...I think you will be surprised how shit the tyres you are running are.

no i know they are crap i said they were awsome on the track no doubt still worse then other tyres but they just surpassed my expectations on the track.. the did better then on the road

and ill stay on them for the amcc round one 4th oct puki and ill show you all its not the tyre but the rider

[sil3nt]

I really fucking hate it when people talk about the top speed of their bikes. The GPX 250 i ride can hit 170+ on the speedo yet the official speed record (yes someone actually did a speed record on one. youtube it) is 100MPH or 160kph. As the hyosung has less HP than the GPX 250 i would be very surprised if it could get more than 160kph. The speedo might say 178kph but they are nowhere near accurate.

/rant

[Mully]

i can assure you all my hyo does 178km/h last i checked and im absolutly sure shes faster now


Proof please. Of either claim in the above sentence.

[chaos rider]

But I'm so good at it.......

In my defense, he has regularly claimed that his dad has said this or that which has been so comprehendingly, utterly, laughably, window-lickingly incorrect that any claim he makes that is allegedly supported by his dad should be treated with a healthy dose of, well, disbelief and derision.

And there is no way, Evolved or not, that his Hyosung did an actual 180km/h. Indicated I will conceed.

I note that he has still not posted any lap times from his track day, despite being asked repeatedly.

and ive said i wasnt timing myself in at least three posts so ill do this just for you

ill pull them out my arse 1.35 in the wet

[NSR-Dan]

i can assure you all my hyo does 178km/h last i checked and im absolutly sure shes faster now

like i said before i thrashed all the other 250s at the trackday no the straight

i realy dont give a shit what stat you come out with ive broken 170 and possibly 180 but ive without a doubt taken her faster then 170

ill be more then happy to do a demo for anyone who thinks there 250 4stroke is faster

the cbr 400 at puki was even slower down the backstraight then me

Your on.

My mate has a 2009 Ninja 250 with an exhaust that has been wanting to blow a hyosung away.

You keen to put your money where your mouth is.

Ill even bring my ZXR250 along.

[DELLORTO]

come to the 17th of october motott track-day .......ill be there and we'll see if your bike does 180km/h........if you pass me ill be able to get a brief idea of how fast your going.

[mossy1200]

i can assure you all my hyo does 178km/h last i checked and im absolutly sure shes faster now

like i said before i thrashed all the other 250s at the trackday no the straight

i realy dont give a shit what stat you come out with ive broken 170 and possibly 180 but ive without a doubt taken her faster then 170

ill be more then happy to do a demo for anyone who thinks there 250 4stroke is faster

the cbr 400 at puki was even slower down the backstraight then me

Come on Chaos when the factory specs claim 140clicks its going to be that or slower.Remember they test 50 bikes then pick the quickest one to get tested.They arnt going to talk their bike down.Not even you could believe that could you?Your saying your bike is 25% faster than stock so your saying it revs 25% higher than stock also unless you have geared it up alot.Gearing it up just makes it slower accelerating.Two stroke 250s struggle with 180clicks (true speed not indicated)unless they are extreme top spec like rs250 at 55-60 odd hp.

[NSR-Dan]

my NSR could just break 200kmh, however that was a fully built race engine with ported barrels, hight compression, chambers etc etc.But the big thing was it was geared for it.

Just making your bike lighter and puting an exhaust on it, isnt going to increase top speed, as your top speed on all vehicles with gears, is taht it is limited by the gears.

Maybe you should become the marketing manager for Hyosung, you seem to be good at talking shit better than they are.

[chaos rider]

oct 4th at puki be there or stfu you have no say

ill be entering in the prolights if enough show up if not ill enter the 250 street stock

ond by they way the gpx has 26 hp and the gtr has 32hp not to be mistaken for its 26kw this was the typical mistake people have made
hyosung (http://vtwincyclemotorcyclescooter.com/motorcycle/hyosung-motorcycles/hyosung-gt250r/)
hyosung (http://www.hyosung.co.nz/bikes.php?id=anytime49d515c399f71&show=features) note the "max power" here is kw not hp

gpx (http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/ninja-250r.php) do you think i could find one in nm or kw nooo but heres a converter site to change he lbs to n just devide by 10 to get nm
http://www.unitsconverter.net/

[DELLORTO]

oct 4th at puki be there or stfu you have no say

ill be entering in the prolights if enough show up if not ill enter the 250 street stock

ond by they way the gpx has 26 hp and the gtr has 32hp not to be mistaken for its 26kw this was the typical mistake people have made
hyosung (http://vtwincyclemotorcyclescooter.com/motorcycle/hyosung-motorcycles/hyosung-gt250r/)
hyosung (http://www.hyosung.co.nz/bikes.php?id=anytime49d515c399f71&show=features) note the "max power" here is kw not hp

gpx (http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/ninja-250r.php) do you think i could find one in nm or kw nooo but heres a converter site to change he lbs to n just devide by 10 to get nm
http://www.unitsconverter.net/

a gpx would thrash a gt250.....its watercooled and much higher reving

just face it mate your bike isnt 36hp and it dosnt go 180km/h....... so stop saying that because no one on the earth is going to agree with you.

[NSR-Dan]

oct 4th at puki be there or stfu you have no say

ill be entering in the prolights if enough show up if not ill enter the 250 street stock

ond by they way the gpx has 26 hp and the gtr has 32hp not to be mistaken for its 26kw this was the typical mistake people have made
hyosung (http://vtwincyclemotorcyclescooter.com/motorcycle/hyosung-motorcycles/hyosung-gt250r/)
hyosung (http://www.hyosung.co.nz/bikes.php?id=anytime49d515c399f71&show=features) note the "max power" here is kw not hp

gpx (http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/ninja-250r.php) do you think i could find one in nm or kw nooo but heres a converter site to change he lbs to n just devide by 10 to get nm
http://www.unitsconverter.net/

Im not going out to get a race licence just to show you up. track day at puke or taupo your choice.

Also indicated on the hyosung website, the gtr250 produces 28.2hp at 10,000rpm, also they are korean horses with shorter legs.
where did you get 32 from. something your dad told you?????

[chaos rider]

a gpx would thrash a gt250.....its watercooled and much higher reving

just face it mate your bike isnt 36hp and it dosnt go 180km/h....... so stop saying that because no one on the earth is going to agree with you.

there were two other gpx riders at the track and both were expierianced riders

you can even ask howsie they were no were near as fast as my hyo

[chaos rider]

Im not going out to get a race licence just to show you up. track day at puke or taupo your choice

amcc 15th nov art day your on if you dont even show ill be laughing all the WAY HOME

[DELLORTO]

amcc 15th nov art day your on if you dont even show ill be laughing all the WAY HOME

come to a motott track day......we dont like puke its too dangerous :oi-grr:

ill give you a race on my 150......it will be funny -max

[NSR-Dan]

amcc 15th nov art day your on if you dont even show ill be laughing all the WAY HOME

Sounds to me like your weasling your way out of it by only making an available date a race day requiring racing licence.

[mossy1200]

oct 4th at puki be there or stfu you have no say

ill be entering in the prolights if enough show up if not ill enter the 250 street stock

ond by they way the gpx has 26 hp and the gtr has 32hp not to be mistaken for its 26kw this was the typical mistake people have made
hyosung (http://vtwincyclemotorcyclescooter.com/motorcycle/hyosung-motorcycles/hyosung-gt250r/)
hyosung (http://www.hyosung.co.nz/bikes.php?id=anytime49d515c399f71&show=features) note the "max power" here is kw not hp

gpx (http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/ninja-250r.php) do you think i could find one in nm or kw nooo but heres a converter site to change he lbs to n just devide by 10 to get nm
http://www.unitsconverter.net/

Compared and tested speeds with ninja ex twin 250

http://www.rcramer.com/bikes/gt250r/specs.shtml

Sorry Chaos but measured top speed is only 87mph and 24.7hp but on the bright side the ex250 ninja twin did 105mph and had 28hp dyno result

Your site says 28.2 at 10,000rpm and it sure dont say kw it just doesnt say.
The 32hp claim on the first site is wrong.Every other site and specs show 28hp and they measure that at the crank not rear wheel and will be brake horspower and not lineer true hp which is 10% lower than brake hp.Good tuned inline 4 cylinder bikes produce 35+ odd hp and 180clicks.Some 250 two strokes reach 200 just when raced up hence they compete with inline 4 400s in f3.

When you get in a race with racers 150 street stocks will eat you up and good streetstock 250/4s will leave you standing.I take my 20 year old posty to track days and go around the outside of new 1000s in corners simply cause they arnt racers and they dont want to bin their road bikes.Means nothing until there is a start grid and a finish line with transponders recording lap times.

The next thing is wet laps on your bike should be 5secs slower than dry so your looking at 1.30 dry laps.Thats slower than you claims at the start of this thread.

[sil3nt]

oct 4th at puki be there or stfu you have no say

ill be entering in the prolights if enough show up if not ill enter the 250 street stock

ond by they way the gpx has 26 hp and the gtr has 32hp not to be mistaken for its 26kw this was the typical mistake people have made
hyosung (http://vtwincyclemotorcyclescooter.com/motorcycle/hyosung-motorcycles/hyosung-gt250r/)
hyosung (http://www.hyosung.co.nz/bikes.php?id=anytime49d515c399f71&show=features) note the "max power" here is kw not hp

gpx (http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/ninja-250r.php) do you think i could find one in nm or kw nooo but heres a converter site to change he lbs to n just devide by 10 to get nm
http://www.unitsconverter.net/
The new ninja is different to the GPX. The new Ninja actually has a slower top speed as it has stronger low and mid range perfomance.

Instead of linking to websites that just state silly numbers show me a dyno graph that shows the Hyos HP. From a quick google i can't find any although there are people running them on youtube i just can't check these as my internet is capped.
GPX 250 dyno graph
http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Dyno_Charts/dyno_kawa_ex250_2006.pdf

[DELLORTO]

Compared and tested speeds with ninja ex twin 250

http://www.rcramer.com/bikes/gt250r/specs.shtml

Sorry Chaos but measured top speed is only 87mph and 24.7hp but on the bright side the ex250 ninja twin did 105mph and had 28hp dyno result

yaaaay we can finally put an end to this debate!! :woohoo:

[NSR-Dan]

yaaaay we can finally put an end to this debate!! :woohoo:

Ahhhh, but remember his is a gt250P, cutting the bit of the R must add at least 8hp

[DELLORTO]

Ahhhh, but remember his is a gt250P, cutting the bit of the R must add at least 8hp

and 40km/h...........


the only down side with the "P" is it comes with big chicken strips

[NSR-Dan]

A family size bucket of chicken strips

[gatch]

I now believe that chaos is the king of the trolls.

There is no other possible explanation.

Nada.

[kunoichi]

just turn up to one of the track days he's attending. Time him urself, compare him with other riders. Its up to you really, point is it's all for nothing if you don't see it with your own eyes. And if Chaos has been BS all along, then you'll see it for yourself on the day.

[ajturbo]

but i love reading all his "BS".... make me laugh ... then you guys go on about it making me laugh even more...

so i truly hope none of you do see him...

cause it is funny shit....
lol

[mossy1200]

I now believe that chaos is the king of the trolls.

There is no other possible explanation.

Nada.

You might be correct because if Chaos was real and he could sniff tune a hyosung to 36hp then they would have kidnaped him and he would be smelling tailpipes in the factory for the rest of time.

[gatch]

Time him urself

No offence ma'am, but I'd rather not, especially as its a big trip for me..

I've no doubt that the fullas skills will improve with time and guidance, but no, at this time, mr Chaos is not as fast as he says, no the hyo does not do over 170 and in reality there is not a chance that in a straight line under full acceleration would it smoke a cbr400, or a 4 cyl 250.

Physics just says no, the stats say no, fuck me common sense says no.

I don't know how plainly I can put it.

[mossy1200]

just turn up to one of the track days he's attending. Time him urself, compare him with other riders. Its up to you really, point is it's all for nothing if you don't see it with your own eyes. And if Chaos has been BS all along, then you'll see it for yourself on the day.How can we compare him at track days and with who do we make that comparison cause a-no one is racing , b-is he in the race class or novice or medium or fast?,c is there race riders on streetstock bikes to compare with(not road bikes).

We need race results from Chaos.Now is not the time to make bold claims.Now is the time to get some practice in before that first race.
When is the first RACE and where.Open days mean nothing.I go to them and run slow laps just to practice one corner at a time so lap times are not race pace.

[chaos rider]

im not going to taupo becuase i dont want to spend $400 for one track day
fuel, van rentil, entry

when i can go to puki for $80 on nov 15th and get a fre bbq
and puki isnt dangerous compered to some roads ive ridden on at legel speeds

its up to you lot to come see for yourself wether its just bystanding or riding im not judging

till then stfu im not talking shit about my speed and you all need to shut up till you see it for yourselves and btw my friends 150 with 19bh at the wheel con do 140

hp has fuck al to do with speed its just how quickly you get there

[DarkLord]

:corn: :corn:

[RDjase]

Im not going out to get a race licence just to show you up. track day at puke or taupo your choice.

Also indicated on the hyosung website, the gtr250 produces 28.2hp at 10,000rpm, also they are korean horses with shorter legs.
where did you get 32 from. something your dad told you?????

Most clubs have day licences available, $20-$25 ish. enter the AMCC race day, is that the one you are entering chaos? Have you got a MNZ race license chaos? or getting a day license? I will come up to watch this (from HB) . Do AMCC events use transponders so we can go onto Mylaps and see all the lap times?

IS THE BATTLE OF THE 250s ON?

[mossy1200]

im not going to taupo becuase i dont want to spend $400 for one track day
fuel, van rentil, entry

when i can go to puki for $80 on nov 15th and get a fre bbq
and puki isnt dangerous compered to some roads ive ridden on at legel speeds

its up to you lot to come see for yourself wether its just bystanding or riding im not judging

till then stfu im not talking shit about my speed and you all need to shut up till you see it for yourselves and btw my friends 150 with 19bh at the wheel con do 140

hp has fuck al to do with speed its just how quickly you get there

rental,compared,legal,whether... You should try to improve spelling for your own sake(not ours)because it will help you later in life.


hp does dictate top speed and tractionable force dictates acceleration which is a combination of torque and hp which needs to be offset against resistances(drag,weight etc).Its more complex than direct comparison of stats but they give a good idea.
When I had my zx12r it said it did over 310 on clock but average flying quarter mile speed was 286.My bonneville indicated 225 and average speed was 197.Each bike has an element of bollocks put in the speedo to keep you below the speed limit and make you feel good.The slower the bike the higher the level of bollocks.
What I do like about the bike stats is 125kg dry weight(2007 model).Should be a corner killer.Knee down is not the be all but weight transfer on your seat is a good start.The rear tyre looks to fat for that rim and the profile is wrong so pick the correct width and profile when replacing it.It doesnt matter what size they spec that tyre is not correct.That will also gear you down a little which will be more important than the 5kphr you loose.
If it hits 140clicks on the track that will be plenty.Corner exit and smooth riding and mid corner speed is a lot more important than conceeding 5-10 metres on the straights.

BE PREPARED TO BE SURPRISED AT HOW FAST THE GUYS YOU RACE WILL BE.
THEY WONT BE MONKEYS AND THEY WILL TAKE YOU AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY THEY CAN AND BUMPING OCCURS.
I think you underestimate the ability of everyone else.They all want to win just like you.............

When the lights go out dont go soft but dont go so hard you crash cause it costs dollars and can hurt.Better to learn and survive and get better than get sick of the sport before you get good at it.
You dont really need to prove yourself to us but to yourself.Improvement is satisfaction.Breaking personal bests is improvement.
Just enjoy it dont turn it into a task.Your hyosung doesnt need to be the fastest bike for you to have the most fun.
IT IS WHAT IS."A FUN ZIPPY WE BIKE" and it will get you started until you decide how wide you want to open your wallet later.
These classes (streetstock etc)are designed to get you an entry level training class to build into faster bikes.You dont have to beat better bikes to be the best rider when the bikes are not equally matched.

[chaos rider]

Most clubs have day licences available, $20-$25 ish. enter the AMCC race day, is that the one you are entering chaos? Have you got a MNZ race license chaos? or getting a day license? I will come up to watch this (from HB) . Do AMCC events use transponders so we can go onto Mylaps and see all the lap times?

IS THE BATTLE OF THE 250s ON?

yes its the amcc pectra insurance round one and im aplying for my license as we speak not sure about the timers. i want one but they are really expensive 200+ just for the timer and 2 reciever nodes, transmitters are another 200+


rental,compared,legal,whether... You should try to improve spelling for your own sake(not ours)because it will help you later in life.


hp does dictate top speed and tractionable force dictates acceleration which is a combination of torque and hp which needs to be offset against resistances(drag,weight etc).Its more complex than direct comparison of stats but they give a good idea.
When I had my zx12r it said it did over 310 on clock but average flying quarter mile speed was 286.My bonneville indicated 225 and average speed was 197.Each bike has an element of bollocks put in the speedo to keep you below the speed limit and make you feel good.The slower the bike the higher the level of bollocks.
What I do like about the bike stats is 125kg dry weight(2007 model).Should be a corner killer.Knee down is not the be all but weight transfer on your seat is a good start.The rear tyre looks to fat for that rim and the profile is wrong so pick the correct width and profile when replacing it.That will gear you down a little which will be more important than the 5kphr you loose.
If it hits 140clicks on the track that will be plenty.Corner exit and smooth riding and mid corner speed is a lot more important than conceeding 5-10 metres on the straights.

BE PREPARED TO BE SURPRISED AT HOW FAST THE GUYS YOU RACE WILL BE.
THEY WONT BE MONKEYS AND THEY WILL TAKE YOU AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY THEY CAN AND BUMPING OCCURS.
I think you underestimate the ability of everyone else.They all want to win just like you.............

yes but saying the gpx dose 170 is as bad as me saying i can do 200 have you seen the exhausts on them their like <----------------> yay big ,inch or less. plus konoichi has one and we both went for it, and she tapped at 168 by my clock and i got up to 178 so i fail to see them ever beating my hyo (given i have ridden another hyo same year model and it was gutles compered to mine so wether i go lucky or what i dont know bot i do KNOW its faster then 170 by my clock and by a busas and my dads clock and a susuki sv 650)

i understand that the other racers will be like that and i look forward to it. learn from real expeirence i can see in action not just words, words are as usefull as a whore with jeans but seeing and doing is the fastest and best way to learn

[mossy1200]

The thing is the new ex ninja is road tested to true speed of 105mph and it has a few less hp than the older models but is lighter.Top speed wont mean as much as total package on a 250 anyway so who cares which bikes faster in straight line.Yours may have more midrange pull than a ninja giving you speed sooner.
The inline 4s pre 1991 will be the fastest 250s as this was pre japan restricting top end power to 36hp(memory only on that figure).Everyone talks about removing restrictors blaa blah but when factory decides to restrict top end then they move more power lower with cams etc so the newer 250s just will never have the same top end grunt as the older ones.

Just go race it ,have fun,own your own piece of track then upgrade classes latter.

[chaos rider]

The thing is the new ex ninja is road tested to true speed of 105mph and it has a few less hp than the older models but is lighter.Top speed wont mean as much as total package on a 250 anyway so who cares which bikes faster in straight line.Yours may have more midrange pull than a ninja giving you speed sooner.
The inline 4s pre 1991 will be the fastest 250s as this was pre japan restricting top end power to 36hp(memory only on that figure).Everyone talks about removing restrictors blaa blah but when factory decides to restrict top end then they move more power lower with cams etc so the newer 250s just will never have the same top end grunt as the older ones.

Just go race it ,have fun,own your own piece of track then upgrade classes latter.

oh im sure the 4s will be faster and i dont intend to beet them any time soon but ill take on any twin with the intent to win thats all im saying

[ducatilover]

him and his dad went for a ride, i believe they got atleast up to 180km. :argh: Physically impossible


even if it was geared up 25% it would be so slow accelerating that getting to 180km/h would take decades.......

its just not possible with what hes done to the bike It's not possible. Unless he has over 35hp at the wheel.


i can assure you all my hyo does 178km/h last i checked and im absolutly sure shes faster now

like i said before i thrashed all the other 250s at the trackday no the straight

i realy dont give a shit what stat you come out with ive broken 170 and possibly 180 but ive without a doubt taken her faster then 170

ill be more then happy to do a demo for anyone who thinks there 250 4stroke is faster

the cbr 400 at puki was even slower down the backstraight then me
No, a cbr400 will out run and out handle the hyosung you ride, once upon a time, small bikes involved technology on for making "impressive" machines, a good cbr400rr will be pushing 50hp at the wheel/60hp at the crank and weighs less...bigger brakes....better gearing...better geometry...oh and it is not a budget commuter.


Your on.

My mate has a 2009 Ninja 250 with an exhaust that has been wanting to blow a hyosung away.

You keen to put your money where your mouth is.

Ill even bring my ZXR250 along. Fuck the 250 ninja, he thinks he can beat a zxr250....come down to the strip....:woohoo:


im not going to taupo becuase i dont want to spend $400 for one track day
fuel, van rentil, entry

when i can go to puki for $80 on nov 15th and get a fre bbq
and puki isnt dangerous compered to some roads ive ridden on at legel speeds

its up to you lot to come see for yourself wether its just bystanding or riding im not judging

till then stfu im not talking shit about my speed and you all need to shut up till you see it for yourselves and btw my friends 150 with 19bh at the wheel con do 140

hp has fuck al to do with speed its just how quickly you get there You are talking shit, we all are aware of how things happen, I myself have ridden both the gt250 and the R, I have explained before, they are not fast by 250 standards. The three fastest 250 twins [four stroke] are, Honda vt250f2, Honda vt250j spada and some of the earlier gpx250's [waaaay back in the 40hp days]. All the cbr250 models were faster, all the zxr models were faster, all the fzr250 models were faster and the gsx-r was also faster. Factual, proven, done.





yes but saying the gpx dose 170 is as bad as me saying i can do 200 have you seen the exhausts on them their like <----------------> yay big ,inch or less. plus konoichi has one and we both went for it, and she tapped at 168 by my clock and i got up to 178 so i fail to see them ever beating my hyo (given i have ridden another hyo same year model and it was gutles compered to mine so wether i go lucky or what i dont know bot i do KNOW its faster then 170 by my clock and by a busas and my dads clock and a susuki sv 650)

i understand that the other racers will be like that and i look forward to it. learn from real expeirence i can see in action not just words, words are as usefull as a whore with jeans but seeing and doing is the fastest and best way to learn It will not reach 170 unless you are pushing more than 40hp at the crank, a standard spada will indicate 170 down a hill, they are doing a true 163kmh on the limiter [Timed in martinborough] Re-geared like mine would barely push past a true 170, indicate a 180k reading eventually, but, that was incorrect. Mine also made more hp standard at THE WHEEL than your hyosung is doing at the crank....Mine also had fairings and far better gear ratios, and a significant lack of weight in comparison to yours. Please explain that one?
Who cares though? 250cc bikes are a giggle, if they have 40hp or more, and a good one will be great fun on the right road, that's why I went back to a 250 after the 400 and 650. But, top speed is pathetic on any 250, they are not fast, unless we are talking great two strokes.

So explain the top speed theory please, I do not understand it
:whistle: Cheers

[ducatilover]

oh im sure the 4s will be faster and i dont intend to beet them any time soon but ill take on any twin with the intent to win thats all im saying

You just told us you beat a cbr400.....and every other 250....whilst having posted pictures of tyres that haven't been hot, nor suffered from any lean angle, stress or power....:yawn:

[mossy1200]

oh im sure the 4s will be faster and i dont intend to beet them any time soon but ill take on any twin with the intent to win thats all im saying

I take on every posty with the intent to win it just doesnt happen all the time.
You can have a awesome race then one that stinks.Just go hard and at some point you will be happy with your results.May take couple races ,may take couple years.You will find that out at some point.If your one of a few twins, then although wins may not be as satisfactory as a larger race class at least you will be hardened vet by the time new guys start in the near future.The days of the 150 2stroke are reducing with their age and 250twin will be the next thing.Will mean you should get good resale value when you upgrade also.

Give us the rim size on that rear wheel 17/4inch etc cause that tyre is all wrong size wise to race on.The sidewalls are to high and the width is to wide.
Thats one reason the chicken strip is so large cause the tyre is not fully usable.Anybody thinks they could wear that strip off would need to be falling off to do it.

[chaos rider]

So explain the top speed theory please, I do not understand it
:whistle: Cheers

im not explaining shit.. i said come watch and see for yourself

im done arguing with you people if you dont think i can do it come watch and see

4th oct race
15th nov trackday

im not going to taupo! i might go to hamton downs, ill see

[mossy1200]

You just told us you beat a cbr400.....and every other 250....whilst having posted pictures of tyres that haven't been hot, nor suffered from any lean angle, stress or power....:yawn:
Cut him some slack and help him get better.people at track days dont all go hard so comparing bike on bike is wasted effort.I go to track days sometimes and the flashest go fast new bikes in fast class are some of the slowest on the track at times.Some people are happy not pushing comfort levels.Comparing apples with pears is pointless.
In all honesty I would expect the sung may not be grunty as some but will have great torque compaired to most.Every bike has strengths.It should handle fairly well and it has good wheel sizes for a 250 compaired to some with 18inch rims and others with biscuit wheels (ex250 ninja).

He might win then we gotta go out back and beat each other with big sticks praising Chaos future WSB champ.Its more likely than me winning lotto but I still buy a ticket every week.

[chaos rider]

I take on every posty with the intent to win it just doesnt happen all the time.
You can have a awesome race then one that stinks.Just go hard and at some point you will be happy with your results.May take couple races ,may take couple years.You will find that out at some point.If your one of a few twins, then although wins may not be as satisfactory as a larger race class at least you will be hardened vet by the time new guys start in the near future.The days of the 150 2stroke are reducing with their age and 250twin will be the next thing.Will mean you should get good resale value when you upgrade also.

Give us the rim size on that rear wheel 17/4inch etc cause that tyre is all wrong size wise to race on.The sidewalls are to high and the width is to wide.
Thats one reason the chicken strip is so large cause the tyre is not fully usable.Anybody thinks they could wear that strip off would need to be falling off to do it.

thats what ive been saying i leterly cant get rid of thoughs strips and i have tried i know the tire is totaly the wrong shape but im still saving to get new ones that are the right shape, size is right but like you said the side walls are to high

[mossy1200]

thats what ive been saying i leterly cant get rid of thoughs strips and i have tried i know the tire is totaly the wrong shape but im still saving to get new ones that are the right shape, size is right but like you said the side walls are to high
I would take the advice of a tyre fitment sheet before the recommended hyosung 150width cause I think that rim may need 140mm.Squeezing tyres changes the surface patch at lean angles giving you less contact patch than a slightly smaller tyre.Make you choice carefully.

[ducatilover]

Cut him some slack and help him get better. We have been cutting plenty of slack, giving advice etc. Now lets just sit back until he realities how stupid he sounds.


im not explaining shit.. i said come watch and see for yourself

Sure, ever come down my way I will pay for a dyno run and beer.

[mossy1200]

You should try make the vmcc round 6 at manfeild.Streetstock class and 150 run together and there is good numbers.125gp runs same time but staggered start.Entry is 90 odd and transponder under 40.Plenty of free areas under cover in pits since you cant run tyre warmers thats no issue.Advertise on KB for shared cost travel and 250 should cover it.

[chaos rider]

I would take the advice of a tyre fitment sheet before the recommended hyosung 150width cause I think that rim may need 140mm.Squeezing tyres changes the surface patch at lean angles giving you less contact patch than a slightly smaller tyre.Make you choice carefully.

well the size i have on now (just went and checked tthe tyre) is 150/70/17, 69h? not sure what the 69h means but hoefully its helpfull

can you recomend what size tyre ect would work better?

[mossy1200]

Sure, ever come down my way I will pay for a dyno run and beer.

Dynos are my worst enemy.Mine just keeps pushing power around in circles.Try this try that.
Flatslides is the resulting answer to 70 dyno run questions.Wish I had worked that one out a grand ago.

[chaos rider]

You should try make the vmcc round 6 at manfeild.Streetstock class and 150 run together and there is good numbers.125gp runs same time but staggered start.Entry is 90 odd and transponder under 40.Plenty of free areas under cover in pits since you cant run tyre warmers thats no issue.Advertise on KB for shared cost travel and 250 should cover it.

my family is moving to aus in 3 months so i must save for that and get as much cheap track time in so if i have time and money i would go just as much as i would go to taupo
i make like 140 a week so my budget is real tight

[ducatilover]

Dynos are my worst enemy.Mine just keeps pushing power around in circles.Try this try that.
Flatslides is the resulting answer to 70 dyno run questions.Wish I had worked that one out a grand ago.

He may then learn how lean his bike will be

[mossy1200]

well the size i have on now (just went and checked tthe tyre) is 150/70/17, 69h? not sure what the 69h means but hoefully its helpfull

can you recomend what size tyre ect would work better?

If you take a tyre thats not on a rim and squeeze in the sidewalls you will see how the shape changes.Hyosung will slap a 150 look cool tyre on the bike for no other reason than it looks slightly fatter.What you might need could be 140/60 etc to get the best lean in speed and contact patch.
GPRA10s would be agreat tyre choice but they are dearish.Your bike should do 7 or 8 race days on a set as opposed to 2days on a big bike on slicks or one if your really fast rider on 1000cc at 6hundy to grand a set.

I would say your bikes most likely got 3inch front rim so 110 front
and 4inch rear rim so 140/70 or 150/70 and it needs to a v shape.
Best ask the bike shop what they recommend.150/70 is recommended for 4inch to 4.5 inch rim.
It may just be the shape of that brand lets them down.

[mossy1200]

my family is moving to aus in 3 months so i must save for that and get as much cheap track time in so if i have time and money i would go just as much as i would go to taupo
i make like 140 a week so my budget is real tight
you got 6weeks approx.every racer struggles with cash flow at some or many points.Get some pix of your bike with a short speel on the dairy windows etc advertising your keen to odd job it if you have too.Let people know they are helping you to self fund racing.Go see the car sales yards and offer to clean cars.
The guy who puts on shoes walks furthest.
When your eating instant noodles to buy tyres then you can claim poor.

[chaos rider]

If you take a tyre thats not on a rim and squeeze in the sidewalls you will see how the shape changes.Hyosung will slap a 150 look cool tyre on the bike for no other reason than it looks slightly fatter.What you might need could be 140/60 etc to get the best lean in speed and contact patch.
GPRA10s would be agreat tyre choice but they are dearish.Your bike should do 7 or 8 race days on a set as opposed to 2days on a big bike on slicks or one if your really fast rider on 1000cc at 6hundy to grand a set.

I would say your bikes most likely got 3inch front rim so 110 front
and 4inch rear rim so 140/70 or 150/70 and it needs to a v shape.
Best ask the bike shop what they recommend.150/70 is recommended for 4inch to 4.5 inch rim.
It may just be the shape of that brand lets them down.

i think it the brand cuz my dads 900 has the same rim and tyre size as me but his dont buldge like the shinkos so im thinking 150/70 diablos as mt eden have a special on at the moment 499 front and rear plus fitting

[ducatilover]

i think it the brand cuz my dads 900 has the same rim and tyre size as me but his dont buldge like the shinkos so im thinking 150/70 diablos as mt eden have a special on at the moment 499 front and rear plus fitting

What is the recommended size dude? Stick with the manufacturers size, they spent lots of time and money setting your bike up to be like it is. The sport demon are a decent tire but I found they lack a wee bit in lean angle.

[chaos rider]

What is the recommended size dude? Stick with the manufacturers size, they spent lots of time and money setting your bike up to be like it is. The sport demon are a decent tire but I found they lack a wee bit in lean angle.

well thats what i was planning not keen on spending 600 for a set of tyres that could screw up the ride compleatly

well it sould be better then what i have dont you think plus i dont tend to lean that much yet so moving up(or down lol) slowly would be good especialy for $499