MNZ board nominations [Archive] - Page 3

Grumph

15th April 2011, 11:35

Riders you may have to sit down to read this……….Its not all about you!
Many more people get similar pleasure out of ‘taking part’ without riding a motorbike!...

Quite so...but since it's been licence holders voting only, these people, who may be club members have been denied a vote in the running of their sport.
And I've been round long enough to detect a drop in the quality of the people coming through and willing to stand for office since this came in.
What about introducing a "non - competition" licence with voting rights ?

wharfy

15th April 2011, 12:07

Quite so...but since it's been licence holders voting only, these people, who may be club members have been denied a vote in the running of their sport.
And I've been round long enough to detect a drop in the quality of the people coming through and willing to stand for office since this came in.
What about introducing a "non - competition" licence with voting rights ?

YES !!!!!

Jesus I'm so self absorbed it never occurred to me !!! :shit:
For every racer there is probably 3 non-racers who have an interest in how MNZ is run !

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 12:08

Can you see the pattern that is happening here Jim?? I can see it plain as day. You were told by the 'Haves' (as you put them) an absolute crock of shit!! But you chose to listen to them absolutely. You were proven totally wrong on each case, yet you still accepted their 'Truth' as gospel! Why is that??

Simple, because he trusted the word of a proven bullshitter.

TonyB

15th April 2011, 13:54

Bloody hell. I was hoping that this thread would give me some information about people so I could decide who to vote for. Maybe its somewhere in amongst the 34 pages but who can be arsed shovelling through all the shit to find the gold nugget?

Its the same old shit, different thread. Its irrelevant whether there has been some terrible wrong doing to the sidecar community at some bloody truck meeting that happened years ago, the split in the sidecar community and the constant battling do nothing for their image or for road racing in general. Chris is probably a great guy (don't know- never met him), but unfortunately for him, the PERCEPTION I have is that he's associated with all of this in-fighting in some way. I'm willing to bet I'm not alone in wondering how things will go if he becomes President.
Maybe the current President or his minions did preform some nefarious deed against the Sidecar community, but ulitmately MNZ seems to be functioning a whole lot better than it did two years ago. So we have two sides throwing shit at eachother, both claiming the other one is lying, but ONE side can at least back it up with results, while the other side seems to be noisily self destructing.

TonyB

15th April 2011, 13:57

Quite so...but since it's been licence holders voting only, these people, who may be club members have been denied a vote in the running of their sport.
And I've been round long enough to detect a drop in the quality of the people coming through and willing to stand for office since this came in.
What about introducing a "non - competition" licence with voting rights ?
:shit: Something useful might come out of this thread after all.

Biggles08

15th April 2011, 14:29

Andy is probably a great guy (don't know- never met him), but unfortunately for him, the PERCEPTION I have is that he's associated with all of this in-fighting in some way. I'm willing to bet I'm not alone in wondering how things will go if he becomes President.

Would be an odd thing to happen considering Andy isn't in the running for MNZ president Tony...Its Chris Lawrence vs Jim Tuckerman.

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 14:48

Would be an odd thing to happen considering Andy isn't in the running for MNZ president Tony...Its Chris Lawrence vs Jim Tuckerman.

Twould be rather an odd occurence! However, regardless of who gets in, im prepared to wager that far more than 199 people will vote this election as did last time.
There seems to be a lot more passion surrounding the topic this time.
Im still waiting for my '09 voting pack to arrive, along with many others that didint recieve one last election.

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 14:48

...Its Chris Lawrence vs Jim Tuckerman.
Hey Giggles, it's LAWRANCE.
Nobody ever spells Tuckerman's name wrong eh?

Crasherfromwayback

15th April 2011, 14:56

Hey Giggles, it's LAWRANCE.
Nobody ever spells Tuckerman's name wrong eh?

Should be spelt with an F

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 14:58

Should be spelt with an F

that would make it Figgles???

Ronin

15th April 2011, 14:59

scott411

15th April 2011, 15:05

Riders you may have to sit down to read this……….Its not all about you!
Many more people get similar pleasure out of ‘taking part’ without riding a motorbike!

there is already provision for this,

from MNZ constition

4.1.3 Associate Members
Must be members of an affiliated club as defined by Rule 4.3 of this Constitution who have through that club applied
for membership of MNZ and paid the subscription due so entitling them to voting rights and the other benefits of
membership as determined from time to time by the GB; or
4.1.4 Officials
Must be members of an affiliated club as defined by Rule 4.3 of this Constitution and either appointed by the GB or
elected at a General meeting as a steward, commission member or GB member. Such person shall hold
membership rights as a Full Member for the period of their appointment without payment of current subscriptions or
levies. Such membership may be revoked by the GB for serious misconduct; o

the price is $67.70, for the assc member, (there is no charge to be a steward, just a test and you must be nominated by a club)

and you apply using the licence application form

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2010_2011_Licence_Application_Form.pdf

TonyB

15th April 2011, 15:35

Would be an odd thing to happen considering Andy isn't in the running for MNZ president Tony...Its Chris Lawrence vs Jim Tuckerman. :facepalm: I always have been hopeless with names...

The Chow

15th April 2011, 15:48

that would make it Figgles???

or Flawrance

The Chow

15th April 2011, 15:53

STRIPPERS! and open it up to all commers too.

Yes please

Grumph

15th April 2011, 16:40

there is already provision for this,

from MNZ constition

the price is $67.70, for the assc member, (there is no charge to be a steward, just a test and you must be nominated by a club)

and you apply using the licence application form

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2010_2011_Licence_Application_Form.pdf

OK thanks, I stand corrected....but how come I'd never heard of this provision before ? And yes, I have asked members of the executive about this in conversation. Not well publicised at all....

The Chow

15th April 2011, 16:41

Last time I had red wine I ended up listening to Englebert Humperdinck, and started liking it. No way thanks!

Last time I had red wine was 5 Minutes ago and I'm settling in to see if we can get this thread to over 50 pages this weekend.

The Chow

15th April 2011, 16:46

OK thanks, I stand corrected....but how come I'd never heard of this provision before ? And yes, I have asked members of the executive about this in conversation. Not well publicised at all....

It was never pushed by the anyone and I'm sure it was when there was actually a CEO and was in place well before the present regime but was never published in the mainstream. Always thought it was a good idea having associate membership.

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 16:48

Last time I had red wine was 5 Minutes ago and I'm settling in to see if we can get this thread to over 50 pages this weekend.

So how were things at tha Salon today?
Yep, time to crack a Heiney & pull up a chair & go for 50.
Best thread ever on KB.

Drew

15th April 2011, 16:53

So how were things at tha Salon today?
Yep, time to crack a Heiney & pull up a chair & go for 50.
Best thread ever on KB.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... Heineken.

I also am indulging in the worlds finest lager.

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 16:55

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... Heineken.

I also am indulging in the worlds finest lager.

Same.... This thread is awesomeness personified!

But I still don't know who to vote for.... :facepalm:

scott411

15th April 2011, 16:55

OK thanks, I stand corrected....but how come I'd never heard of this provision before ? And yes, I have asked members of the executive about this in conversation. Not well publicised at all....

to be honest, it took me a while to find details on the website, and i new it was there, i did not think to look on the liceince form to find it,

scott411

15th April 2011, 16:55

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... Heineken.

I also am indulging in the worlds finest lager.

i'm settling for steiny pure, but i am not that picky to care

Drew

15th April 2011, 16:59

i'm settling for steiny pure, but i am not that picky to care

"When you're prepared to settle for anything but 1st place (Heineken in this instance), it's time to give up". Mick Doohan.

Paul Searancke

15th April 2011, 17:00

It was never pushed by the anyone and I'm sure it was when there was actually a CEO and was in place well before the present regime but was never published in the mainstream. Always thought it was a good idea having associate membership.

I was part of the working group the prepared the current Constitution(under the previous Board) and I pushed really hard to get associate membership included. I did this because a number of club members from around the country said they wanted the opportunity to have a say but they don't race. What happened? Apathy resulted in very few joining as associate members.

Paul Searancke

Tony.OK

15th April 2011, 17:03

So how is a member meant to make an informed decision on who to vote for when there is only a few short paragraphs about each candidate?

Background on someone is nice but what I want are (and lets be honest this is a political election) some mission statements and promises, how about future strategies and plans to achieve them? How you can make me want to vote for you, and how my membership money will be used to better the sport.

Its not too much to ask from those that want to run our sport/hobby is it?

There's my help to get to 50 pages...........almost a serious post too:innocent:

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 17:05

There's my help to get to 50 pages...........almost a serious post too:innocent:

I reckon porn would help too!!

The Chow

15th April 2011, 17:05

So how were things at tha Salon today?
Yep, time to crack a Heiney & pull up a chair & go for 50.
Best thread ever on KB.

:woohoo: Make sure you get remind that lady of yours that she said she would do an article on her trip to Australia. Cheers

The Chow

15th April 2011, 17:07

I was part of the working group the prepared the current Constitution(under the previous Board) and I pushed really hard to get associate membership included. I did this because a number of club members from around the country said they wanted the opportunity to have a say but they don't race. What happened? Apathy resulted in very few joining as associate members.

Paul Searancke

Mate you should run for President next time , I'll nominate you oh shit I can't I'm not a member.

Getting Closer to 50

Tony.OK

15th April 2011, 17:07

I reckon porn would help too!!

For sure............porn helps with everything!:buggerd::nya:

The Chow

15th April 2011, 17:08

I reckon porn would help too!!

Where,s Spyda when we need him , probably with that bus load of spastics

wharfy

15th April 2011, 17:11

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... Heineken.

I also am indulging in the worlds finest lager.

I'm off to the Bristol to "kiss a Kilkenny" ...;)

(and the lovely Katie O'Donnell )

Crasherfromwayback

15th April 2011, 17:12

Where,s Spyda when we need him , probably with that bus load of spastics

Up to his nuts in guts.

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 17:22

I reckon porn would help too!!

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM porn.
Doh; another Woody!

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 17:24

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM porn.
Doh; another Woody!

Like you can still get it up at your age!

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 17:28

Like you can still get it up at your age!
I'll be still getting a 'Tilt in my Kilt' when you've got parkinsons and had all ya teeth out young lassie.

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 17:29

I'll be still getting a 'Tilt in my Kilt' when you've got parkinsons and had all ya teeth out young lassie.

And in other news there's an MNZ Erection going on....

Biggles08

15th April 2011, 17:31

So my take of pros and cons (that I believe are worthy of mention and are purely based on my observations in my experience...take them or leave them). I'm sure many will have lots to say about these...and that is fine.

Jim Tuckerman:

Pros

Managed to get MNZ to a 200k profit this term.
Not afraid of making drastic changes...gets things done.
Lives and breaths our sport
Can grow more facial hair than I ever will.

Cons:

Too abrasive in some instances...personal demeanor lets himself down
Too autocratic to maintain a healthy democratic organization going forward
Appears to need to work on being able to take advice from his peers better.
Steps outside his realm of authority (which is kind of #2 as well)

Chris LawrAnce (see spyda...I do take notice ;-))

Pros:

Very approachable and seems to listen well
Not afraid of standing up for what he believes
Very passionate about our sport
Has run very successful motorcycling events (I attended the 3 hour 2 years ago and was the most enjoyable event I have entered)
Has fresh ideas for the future of our sport and has shared them prior to vote end.

Cons:

Has yet to prove himself in the MNZ environment (the devil you know scenario)
Maybe too nice to get things done as timely
Lives in West Auckland

I expect this may generate some more posting to help get us to the magical 50.

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 17:32

And in other news there's an MNZ Erection going on....
Not me girl, I'm not even a member

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 17:34

Not me girl, I'm not even a member

Member-lacking you would say

Drew

15th April 2011, 17:34

And in other news there's an MNZ Erection going on....Really? Who's running?

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 17:38

Really? Who's running?

Not too sure, but I don't think that you have too far to look for a soft cock.

Drew

15th April 2011, 17:38

So my take of pros and cons (that I believe are worthy of mention and are purely based on my observations in my experience...take them or leave them). I'm sure many will have lots to say about these...and that is fine.

Jesus tittie fucking Christ! I like one of Marcus' posts.

Except the slight error, the $200,000 is not all proffit, but instead the current financial balance including assets, (near as I can tell after squinting at the financial reports for three days and smoke coming out of my ears).

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 17:40

White trash

15th April 2011, 17:49

My Question regarding the 200k profit is that it has come about during the same period we have been denied prizemoney. Is the prizemoney paid by MNZ? A rough stab is that over two seasons that would have to be near 100k, so theres half of it, straight from the competitors pocket. I think we had a licence increase in the same period too, but dont quote me.

Prize money went out the window far, far prior to MNZ posting a profit.

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 18:14

Is the prizemoney paid by MNZ?
Prize money never came out of the MNZ kitty.
It was up to the clubs running the meeting to find it and there was a set lower level ( cause i'm on the Macs Golds and can't spell minimium or whatever), more if you ran a GP or TT event too.
Then they doubled the number of points races, from 1 to 2 and the clubs had to find double the coin.
All the clubs involved have done fucking ( cause i'm on the Macs Golds) hard yards to even run a meeting with this over their heads, especially with the numbers at some of the south island meets only a few years ago.
Believe me in the early 90's for many years the overall competitors was way down on what it is now.

racer40

15th April 2011, 18:51

West is Best. Jim lives here to.
SPIDER thanks for letting everyone know how to spell my name.
Tony - we were only to submit a 250 - 300 word profile, so could'nt fit to much in.
Spyda - yes the Aussie P/C Solo's and the Sidecars do plan to come here. There was a meeting this week, still no date but very close to confirming one.
Best of luck to getting to the 50 this weekend.
Chris

Drew

15th April 2011, 18:56

West is Best. Jim lives here to.

WE'RE FUCKIN DOOMED!

I'm off to take up tiddly winks.

SWERVE

15th April 2011, 18:58

Forget me if im wrong but does that 200k profit / saving whatever come from right across the MNZ umberalla...... road racing - enduro - motox - etc.
If so we are only ever gonna see a small% of it anyway. If any!
Lets face it untill WE can offer such an event/events as the ISDE - Motox world champs to highlight ourselves................. we are at the bottom of a half full cup.:violin:

Uk & European track day organisation / management make our national series look second rate:yes:

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 19:07

WE'RE FUCKIN DOOMED!

I'm off to take up tiddly winks.
not again!, I tried that but the pieces used to get stuck in my foreskin

Drew

15th April 2011, 19:24

not again!, I tried that but the pieces used to get stuck in my foreskin

That was post number 916 for you ya dirty Ducati lover.

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 19:32

Prize money never came out of the MNZ kitty.

Im a little confused. I understood it was MNZ's decision that we forfeited prize money in exchange for TV coverage, of which we got bugger all of, unless you ride a superbike at the pointy end. And it was vaguely concerning to me that the President of MNZ also is a shareholder of the TV company involved.
That would be a bit like leaving Robert Taylor in charge of what suspension all the classes could run, wouldnt it?

k14

15th April 2011, 19:51

Im a little confused. I understood it was MNZ's decision that we forfeited prize money in exchange for TV coverage, of which we got bugger all of, unless you ride a superbike at the pointy end. And it was vaguely concerning to me that the President of MNZ also is a shareholder of the TV company involved.
That would be a bit like leaving Robert Taylor in charge of what suspension all the classes could run, wouldnt it?
Another piece of information that a lot of people have been spreading around. I was told that it is incorrect. The prize money was used to put towards advertising (TV, newspaper, radio) the rounds instead, as far as I'm aware the sponsors pay for the tv coverage.

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 19:58

Another piece of information that a lot of people have been spreading around. I was told that it is incorrect. The prize money was used to put towards advertising (TV, newspaper, radio) the rounds instead, as far as I'm aware the sponsors pay for the tv coverage.

Hardly surprising that rumour got around, who told you that was incorrect? thats how we were sold the whole ruse, "forego your prizemoney & instead, impress the crap out of your sponsors & get new ones with the awesome TV coverage they will get & that will even things out"
Bugger the Heineken, I think ill crack a Tui this time!

TonyB

15th April 2011, 20:04

Hardly surprising that rumour got around, who told you that was incorrect? thats how we were sold the whole ruse, "forego your prizemoney & instead, impress the crap out of your sponsors & get new ones with the awesome TV coverage they will get & that will even things out"
Bugger the Heineken, I think ill crack a Tui this time! The Chch and Timaru rounds have been advertised on TV/Radio, in the papers etc for the last couple or three years. It has definitely increased spectator numbers.

I seem to remember hearing that the North Island rounds aren't advertised, so maybe MCI pay for the advertising I've seen??

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 20:09

I seem to remember hearing that the North Island rounds aren't advertised, so maybe MCI pay for the advertising I've seen??
nah TV ads on around 7pm leading up to it...

The Chow

15th April 2011, 20:15

The Chch and Timaru rounds have been advertised on TV/Radio, in the papers etc for the last couple or three years. It has definitely increased spectator numbers.

I seem to remember hearing that the North Island rounds aren't advertised, so maybe MCI pay for the advertising I've seen??

Each club paid $5000 to host the rounds of the champs. That money was what the prizemoney was for each round would have been. It went to getting a national better deal for advertising on Radio and TV. My personal opinion is that I don't like that , but thats how it worked . The radio advertising should be the best rating station in a particular area and that could be different networks . Telesport made the Advert for TV this year for free as I understand it, basically just changed the voice over. The Motorcycle Distributors/Castrol paid for the TV coverage. They MCI association paid less this year due to the recession as I understand it and it was sponsorship was also tied up with MX as well.

I know that the President had no input to the TV , the board made that decision due the presidents conflict of interest potentially. Don't believe ask for the board minutes.

All the rounds had advertisng on the Rock and TV , I saw at every round as I went to every round.

Gulp let the shit flinging begin again!

The Chow

15th April 2011, 20:22

Each club paid $5000 to host the rounds of the champs. That money was what the prizemoney was for each round would have been. It went to getting a national better deal for advertising on Radio and TV. My personal opinion is that I don't like that , but thats how it worked . The radio advertising should be the best rating station in a particular area and that could be different networks . Telesport made the Advert for TV this year for free as I understand it, basically just changed the voice over. The Motorcycle Distributors/Castrol paid for the TV coverage. They MCI association paid less this year due to the recession as I understand it and it was sponsorship was also tied up with MX as well.

I know that the President had no input to the TV , the board made that decision due the presidents conflict of interest potentially. Don't believe ask for the board minutes.

All the rounds had advertisng on the Rock and TV , I saw at every round as I went to every round.

Gulp let the shit flinging begin again!

Just to add , just because this is the way it was done. From next year it is totally new game. Everything is up for renewal as I understand it. As there is currently no commitment from anyone for anything. The only thing I know about next year is that I know nothing.

Marknz

15th April 2011, 20:22

Tonight I read a post here http://thomasr.org/blog/2011/04/fixing-motorcycle-racing-in-australia/ , same as the one Choppa posted earlier in this thread. I know this thread is supposed to be about the MNZ elections (made my decision by the way... it's in the mail), but the link got me to thinking in my Radler infused haze (yea, gay beer, so what), that in this day and age of economic troubles that are not likely to get better anytime soon, is it time to start looking at a Union of Australian and New Zealand motorcycle national bodies? Lots of hurdles to be overcome, like insurances and liabiliteis and transport and the like, but wouldn't it be great to have a true Tasman competition that attracted riders from around the world? Not just Road Racers (and fat, over-weight 'hobby' road racers like me at that), but motocross, enduro, Super-X, Super-Motard, Speedway... you name it, it's all there for the taking. Or is this the rose-tinted version of something that has been considered before? Is it too late to get a nom for MNZ Pres?

ellipsis

15th April 2011, 20:35

...nobody is bigger than the sport...nobodies drag the sport down...money is not a prerequisite for having more fun in the sport...when the dictates of nobodies with agendas, fucking around at the top of the food chain, instead of pouring more into where our champions are going to come from...at club level, then all this thread aspires to, is shit....we have a serious lack of interest in younger members wanting to become the officials in the sport...the 'training classes', that JT has had probably attest to this fact...how many Stewards do we have that cant remember 'the good old days'...how many COC's that control your meetings started riding in the late 80's...fuck all I bet...if it wasn't for the insurance factor of the , "umbrella", then you'd be of no use to anyone...this tenure of officialdom is not a problem...just a symptom of the problem...as soon as fucks pull their heads out of their arseholes and realized that they were really quite unimportant to the health of our sport and people who actually loved the sport took over, then we may start to turn out a professional, outlooking era,of world beaters...

...my unrequitted love for the sport, and I talk for a lot more, I bet, makes me want to just carry on, encourage kids in, bend over backwards to make sure they have as much track time as possible, back people like oyster and his mates who carry on with his progressive and systematic churning out of potential champions...and for what...to put up with shit from nobodies going nowhere...six fingered twats that have personal issues...pricks that have only one thing in mind...their fucking ego's and the chance to prove how big their 'concern ' for the sport is...love of this sport is about two wheels on the track...doesn't matter if its on the dirt oval, moto-x or the grandest sport on the planet, road racing... it aint about me or you or some cunt that thinks they know more or better...its about Motorcycle Racing in NZ...if you are not involved in the nurture of the sport, then you shouldn't be in the spot where nurturing the sport comes from...:yes:

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 20:40

...my unrequitted love for the sport, and I talk for a lot more, I bet, makes me want to just carry on, encourage kids in, bend over backwards to make sure they have as much track time as possible, back people like oyster and his mates who carry on with his progressive and systematic churning out of potential champions...and for what...to put up with shit from nobodies going nowhere...six fingered twats that have personal issues...pricks that have only one thing in mind...their fucking ego's and the chance to prove how big their 'concern ' for the sport is...love of this sport is about two wheels on the track...doesn't matter if its on the dirt oval, moto-x or the grandest sport on the planet, road racing... it aint about me or you or some cunt that things they know more or better...its about Motorcycle Racing in NZ...if you are not involved in the nurture of the sport, then you shouldn't be in the spot where nurturing the sport comes from...:yes:

I like what you say here. Why aren't you running for president?

The Chow

15th April 2011, 20:42

I like what you say here. Why aren't you running for president?

Open another bottle

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 20:45

Open another bottle

I just have.... Still waiting for the pron.

Kickaha

15th April 2011, 20:50

love of this sport is about THREE wheels on the track...

Fixed that for ya

ellipsis

15th April 2011, 21:01

Fixed that for ya

...THREE..

..yeah , that too...the true believers... in another dimension...

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 21:03

I know nothing.Is that you SGT Shultz????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYpADZiv00

gixerracer

15th April 2011, 21:12

If any of you retards think slagging each other off on here is going to solve a thing most of the motorbike community isnt even on here.
You all need to grow uo:innocent:

Kickaha

15th April 2011, 21:14

If any of you retards think slagging each other off on here is going to solve a thing most of the motorbike community isnt even on here.
You all need to grow uo:innocent:

Fuck off and talk sense somewhere else you Superbike riding homo :bleh: :finger: and where's my T shirt?

haha I have a special T Shirt just 4u:love:

Str8 Jacket

15th April 2011, 21:14

If any of you retards think slagging each other off on here is going to solve a thing most of the motorbike community isnt even on here.
You all need to grow uo:innocent:

No, what we need is porn or beer. Something other than what is going on here....

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 21:21

And it was vaguely concerning to me that the President of MNZ also is a shareholder of the TV company involved.

Come on Bob, I't's now getting clearer why you login is an anagram for Disco Barbe!
there are very few people in this game outside of the game.
We're in it for the love of it, Jim has been around the game for longer than you or I and if he can link his company into this game it's for US, not him.
I laid out cash to the tune of over $14,000 this year in CASH sponsorship.
Yes it's through my business, as an electrician with one staff member (45hrs a fortnight he does) but it's still my money despite the tax write offs.
I did it cause I love it, I kept my word with the coin despite 70% of my contract disappearing after I made my commitment.
I'm not rich, but I'm richer for having put my bit in this year like so many other people have done throughout our sport.
My only regret is that I would've liked to put that money into Sidecars, across the board was my dream.
But I knew somewhere, sometime, someone would have thrown it back in my face!

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 21:22

motorbike community
Motorbike community
how 1950's of you

Kickaha

15th April 2011, 21:27

I laid out cash to the tune of over $14,000 this year in CASH sponsorship.

And you still expected to drink my beer:drinkup:, you can get fucked to:bleh:

scrivy

15th April 2011, 21:59

I know that the President had no input to the TV , the board made that decision due the presidents conflict of interest potentially. Don't believe ask for the board minutes.

Gulp let the shit flinging begin again!

Hi Ian,
I received all of the Board minutes from the previous year (even if it did take over a month from my many requests), prior to the AGM last year, and there is no mention in them about Jims conflict of interest, nor any mention in them about TV coverage either.

Not shit flinging - just answering your question.

Scrivy

CHOPPA

15th April 2011, 22:07

Come on Bob, I't's now getting clearer why you login is an anagram for Disco Barbe!
there are very few people in this game outside of the game.
We're in it for the love of it, Jim has been around the game for longer than you or I and if he can link his company into this game it's for US, not him.
I laid out cash to the tune of over $14,000 this year in CASH sponsorship.
Yes it's through my business, as an electrician with one staff member (45hrs a fortnight he does) but it's still my money despite the tax write offs.
I did it cause I love it, I kept my word with the coin despite 70% of my contract disappearing after I made my commitment.
I'm not rich, but I'm richer for having put my bit in this year like so many other people have done throughout our sport.
My only regret is that I would've liked to put that money into Sidecars, across the board was my dream.
But I knew somewhere, sometime, someone would have thrown it back in my face!

I hope it was worth it for ya mate, thats a bloody massive thing to do

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 22:13

Hi Ian,
I received all of the Board minutes from the previous year (even if it did take over a month from my many requests), prior to the AGM last year, and there is no mention in them about Jims conflict of interest, nor any mention in them about TV coverage either.

Not shit flinging - just answering your question.

Scrivy
There was also something about conflict of interests being removed from the MNZ constitution. Im none too smart as you know, but is that correct?

Kickaha

15th April 2011, 22:18

Im none too smart as you know

I would have said "as we all know"

The Chow

15th April 2011, 22:19

Hi Ian,
I received all of the Board minutes from the previous year (even if it did take over a month from my many requests), prior to the AGM last year, and there is no mention in them about Jims conflict of interest, nor any mention in them about TV coverage either.

Not shit flinging - just answering your question.

Scrivy

No worries mate but Jim would hardly benefit largely from Telesport he is only a 10% shareholder and not a Director.

Ian Rawkins Director 70%
David Rawkins Director 20%
Bernard Tuckerman Shareholder 10%

Source NZ Companies office.

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 22:20

I would have said "as we all know"
"Muntage" Its what munters do.

The Chow

15th April 2011, 22:22

I hope it was worth it for ya mate, thats a bloody massive thing to do

He's a good bugger isn't he mate?

The Chow

15th April 2011, 22:24

He's a good bugger isn't he mate?

Come on we can get to 50 pages ;-)

Kickaha

15th April 2011, 22:28

He's a good bugger isn't he mate?

Perhaps when he is sober and awake

Drunk and asleep and snoring like a D9 with a fucked muffler it's another story:facepalm:

The Chow

15th April 2011, 22:29

Come on we can get to 50 pages ;-)

TV this weekend. I have had the call that TV1 will have 600 and Superbikes from Hampton Downs this weekend. (Gulp) if it doesn't happen I promise I won't post another post about it. :-)

The Chow

15th April 2011, 22:31

Perhaps when he is sober and awake

Drunk and asleep and snoring like a D9 with a fucked muffler it's another story:facepalm:

Fuck I can talk , me and Jim Doherty were put in the same room in Christchurch. I kep t him awake and he kept me awake , this was a couple of years ago.

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 22:32

TV this weekend. I have had the call that TV1 will have 600 and Superbikes from Hampton Downs this weekend. (Gulp) if it doesn't happen I promise I won't post another post about it. :-)
So you've got your finger in the pie too???????
TV1 rings you at 10 o'clock on friday night you must be in there some way or are you in the lotto chick/weather girl/Briscoes lady/Susan Paul????

Paul Searancke

15th April 2011, 22:34

Mate you should run for President next time , I'll nominate you oh shit I can't I'm not a member.

Getting Closer to 50

Hi Ian,
Not for me even if you could nominate. I do what I do to give back to the sport that has given so much fun and enjoyment to me and mine. I am commissioner for Recreation/Leisure, the stuff that doesn't have a "national championship" you know fun stuff like trail rides, coaching coaches,junior development, training and then there's talking to government departments (to keep our sport OUR sport).
Of course if this job was a good feed and a beer sometimes a shit sandwhich ends up here as well. Coroners reports, getting subpoenaed to give evidence.
All that I do is possible because we have a supportive President and Board who are not looking over their shoulders but looking forward to the future.
If as an unpaid volunteer who gives 20 hours plus a week(every week) to our sport I had to put up with the shit being flung on here I'd offer to take my time,energy,effort and limited skills to somewhere they could make a difference and I could perhaps even have some fun.
Paul Searancke
Recreation/Leisure Commissioner
MNZ
I hope to see those posting on here at the AGM weekend, come and introduce yourselves, I'll be at the bar every night.
Getting closer to 50

The Chow

15th April 2011, 22:35

So you've got your finger in the pie too???????
TV1 rings you at 10 o'clock on friday night you must be in there some way or are you in the lotto chick/weather girl/Briscoes lady/Susan Paul????

sssshhh! You drunken good bastard:woohoo:

The Chow

15th April 2011, 22:37

Hi Ian,
Not for me even if you could nominate. I do what I do to give back to the sport that has given so much fun and enjoyment to me and mine. I am commissioner for Recreation/Leisure, the stuff that doesn't have a "national championship" you know fun stuff like trail rides, coaching coaches,junior development, training and then there's talking to government departments (to keep our sport OUR sport).
Of course if this job was a good feed and a beer sometimes a shit sandwhich ends up here as well. Coroners reports, getting subpoenaed to give evidence.
All that I do is possible because we have a supportive President and Board who are not looking over their shoulders but looking forward to the future.
If as an unpaid volunteer who gives 20 hours plus a week(every week) to our sport I had to put up with the shit being flung on here I'd offer to take my time,energy,effort and limited skills to somewhere they could make a difference and I could perhaps even have some fun.
Paul Searancke
Recreation/Leisure Commissioner
MNZ
I hope to see those posting on here at the AGM weekend, come and introduce yourselves, I'll be at the bar every night.

SEE YOU THERE , I'm sure you owe me a beer or three :blink:

sidecar bob

15th April 2011, 22:39

Perhaps when he is sober and awake

Drunk and asleep and snoring like a D9 with a fucked muffler it's another story:facepalm:
Have you slept near the cunt too?
I spent the night throwing shoes at him at Temuka in those tiny cabins.

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 22:49

I hope it was worth it for ya mate, thats a bloody massive thing to do
Hard to quantify really, it's like asking you how much value did you get when you bought your last Hairdryer I'm thinking?

Kickaha

15th April 2011, 23:35

Have you slept near the cunt too?
I spent the night throwing shoes at him at Temuka in those tiny cabins.

I made sure my tent was at least 100 metres away, Dave at 20 metres and inside a van could still hear him

Although at one of our conferences the guy sharing my room went and got another room in the middle of the night

jellywrestler

15th April 2011, 23:46

the guy sharing my room went and got another room in the middle of the night
Hey Chow
there's your next ten pages, and the full fifty-by-the-end-of-the-weekend
sorted.
And if the book 'rights's sold for it will be a bit of prizemoney for the sidecars down south too.

Someone, Somewhere will call it dirty money though...

wharfy

16th April 2011, 06:51

wharfy

16th April 2011, 07:09

jellywrestler

16th April 2011, 07:42

Last time I had red wine was 5 Minutes ago and I'm settling in to see if we can get this thread to over 50 pages this weekend.

Hey Chow,
if you get pickled on that red wine do we have to call you Chow Chow?

SWERVE

16th April 2011, 08:03

nah TV ads on around 7pm leading up to it...
Just as you were settling down to watch "Shorty" with ya slippers and a nice Pinot Gris:shutup: ........ eh spyda

White trash

16th April 2011, 08:13

If any of you retards think slagging each other off on here is going to solve a thing most of the motorbike community isnt even on here.
You all need to grow uo:innocent:

I've already said that, 6 pages back. But that's about a weeks reading for you so you're forgiven.......

scracha

16th April 2011, 09:32

I for one have emailed JT and asked/suggested that he 100% Stays of this site with all the rubbish being thrown around, " He said she said" Bollocks.

Gee Shaun, thanks for making that decision for everyone on this site. I for one wouldn't know half the goings on at MNZ and associated events if I merely had to rely on club newsletters and MNZ communications. Every time the MNZ nominations come up, I learn more about the organisation from threads like this. The more I learn, the less I like. But who said ignorance is bliss.

As for telling folks to take care of it all IN A PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS LIKE manner..... "pot, kettle and black".

PLEASE THINK OF THE FUTURE OF OUR SPORT AND THE YOUTH READING THIS
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Until the majority, not the minority of the national level riders are treating it as a real sport, then I believe that forward movement will be stifled and sponsors will continue to regard it as a hobby activity too.

Granted. But a lot of these other sports are very POPULAR and their top level participants have a realistic chance of earning a very good living from it. To that effect they can dedicate themselves to it full time. 99% of nats riders have a job (shit...a lot of them have 2 to support racing) and other commitments.

That said, it wouldn't hurt some of the fat bastards doing the nats to go out for a run 2 or 3 times a week :woohoo:

I've stated before, the majority of MNZ members are NOT national level riders. Why does everything seem so focused on "the Nationals". I've not heard any of the MNZ candidates mentioning much about what they're doing for your average Joe club racer. Fix the sport at the grass roots level first. Better assisting clubs that organise events and getting more kids into the sport would be a good start. FFS PLEASE SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS

Billy

16th April 2011, 09:35

all i see is scrivvy's speil. whats Chris's opinion and reaction to items or are we just voting for scrivy. hows he react to the hostility that hes bound to face, when everyones got a different opinion and u can't appease them all.

whats he offering outside not being Jim Tuckerman???

EXACTLY Tim,

If Chris Lawrence was to become MNZ president,Expect more of the same,He will be nothing more than Scriveners puppet,The only part of the sport that has NOT moved forward in the last 2 years has been sidecar racing,Funny that these people are at the heart of many of the problems facing their own facet of the sport!!

Its a NO brainer really,Vote for Jim Tuckerman and keep MNZ moving forward or Chris Lawrence and watch Scrivener and co take the sport backwards as theyve done with sidecar racing in this country.

Jim has a very experienced and dedicated crew working with him too improve our sport,Including Kevin Goddard,Paul Stewart,Peter Ramage,Ian Dawson,Carmen Davidson etc,Will these people be prepared to work with Scrivener???I seriously doubt it.

Graeme Billington,
75 Ascot road,Mt Maunganui,
07 574 5579,0212928400 or 0273857340.

Call me anytime,Or better still come and talk too me face to face

Wingnut

16th April 2011, 09:42

I've not heard any of the MNZ candidates mentioning much about what they're doing for your average Joe club racer. Fix the sport at the grass roots level first. Better assisting clubs that organise events and getting more kids into the sport would be a good start. FFS PLEASE SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS

I asked a similar question earlier in this thread - and not surprisingly there was nill in the response dept. Righto - back to the Nats and sidcars............. Cause thats where its at...:facepalm:

Str8 Jacket

16th April 2011, 09:43

EXACTLY Tim,

If Chris Lawrence was to become MNZ president,Expect more of the same,He will be nothing more than Scriveners puppet,The only part of the sport that has NOT moved forward in the last 2 years has been sidecar racing,Funny that these people are at the heart of many of the problems facing their own facet of the sport!!

Its a NO brainer really,Vote for Jim Tuckerman and keep MNZ moving forward or Chris Lawrence and watch Scrivener and co take the sport backwards as theyve done with sidecar racing in this country.

Jim has a very experienced and dedicated crew working with him too improve our sport,Including Kevin Goddard,Paul Stewart,Peter Ramage,Ian Dawson,Carmen Davidson etc,Will these people be prepared to work with Scrivener???I seriously doubt it.

Graeme Billington,
75 Ascot road,Mt Maunganui,
07 574 5579,0212928400 or 0273857340.

Call me anytime,Or better still come and talk too me face to face

Thanks for your opinion Billy, definately something worth addressing IMO as is an opinion held by a few people ATM. I, like a few others that can't make up our mind are thinking of abstaining from voting as we just really don't know who to vote for. This is good food for thought and I value your opinion, not just cause you're an old buggar! ;)

Wingnut

16th April 2011, 10:01

EXACTLY Tim,

If Chris Lawrence was to become MNZ president,Expect more of the same,He will be nothing more than Scriveners puppet,The only part of the sport that has NOT moved forward in the last 2 years has been sidecar racing,Funny that these people are at the heart of many of the problems facing their own facet of the sport!!

Its a NO brainer really,Vote for Jim Tuckerman and keep MNZ moving forward or Chris Lawrence and watch Scrivener and co take the sport backwards as theyve done with sidecar racing in this country.

Jim has a very experienced and dedicated crew working with him too improve our sport,Including Kevin Goddard,Paul Stewart,Peter Ramage,Ian Dawson,Carmen Davidson etc,Will these people be prepared to work with Scrivener???I seriously doubt it.

Graeme Billington,
75 Ascot road,Mt Maunganui,
07 574 5579,0212928400 or 0273857340.

Call me anytime,Or better still come and talk too me face to face

I dont know Billy, Tuckerman, Lawrence or Scrivener. What I do know is that although he is just voicing his own opinion, with some of the posts on here, Scrivy has done little to help the candidate he has nominated IMO. By default people could be directly associating his opinion directly to Mr Lawrence.

Also I too have heard little "real" matters of direct interest to MNZ members from either candidate within this forum which would be great. Cause lets face it, the profile in the mail gave very little indication of anything.

I have little reason to vote for anything other than in favour for the status quo.

Shaun

16th April 2011, 10:03

Gee Shaun, thanks for making that decision for everyone on this site. I for one wouldn't know half the goings on at MNZ and associated events if I merely had to rely on club newsletters and MNZ communications. Every time the MNZ nominations come up, I learn more about the organisation from threads like this. The more I learn, the less I like. But who said ignorance is bliss.

As for telling folks to take care of it all IN A PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS LIKE manner..... "pot, kettle and black"...

You are welcome, I;ll leave the insults to others

Ronin

16th April 2011, 10:23

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...Susan Paul

You sick bastard.

Kickaha

16th April 2011, 10:23

He will be nothing more than Scriveners puppet

What do you base that statement on Billy?

or Chris Lawrence and watch Scrivener and co take the sport backwards as they've done with sidecar racing in this country.

Why is it you blame them for what has happened? what exactly is it you think you know about it?

rachprice

16th April 2011, 10:24

Just as you were settling down to watch "Shorty" with ya slippers and a nice Pinot Gris:shutup: ........ eh spyda

Na thats pete!

Man this really has turned into a shit fight!!

rachprice

16th April 2011, 10:25

Shit well done me, a grand understatement and stating the dam obvious

It's really hard to keep up with it all

Pussy

16th April 2011, 10:28

Man this really has turned into a shit fight!!

Really???

I hadn't noticed! :)

scrivy

16th April 2011, 11:08

If Chris Lawrence was to become MNZ president,Expect more of the same,He will be nothing more than Scriveners puppet,The only part of the sport that has NOT moved forward in the last 2 years has been sidecar racing,Funny that these people are at the heart of many of the problems facing their own facet of the sport!!
Hi Billy,
Sorry to hear you have it in for Chris. Exactly what is it that he's done to you for you to hate him so much??
As for hating me, well you've made your point there! I still don't know what I've done to you personally, but that's your call.
As mentioned before in this thread, our sport is growing, and 2 more teams are looking at buying chairs at the 'Have-a-go day' on May 1st. We also had 8 teams compete in Aussie with elations from the crews that couldn't afford to do it at any other time. That was a plus. And before you say they should have been racing in NZ, they chose the damn-near once in a lifetime trip over the Nats. They weren't forced into going by anyone. I guess thats one way Chris has helped out 'Club level' riders too. Oh, and one of the sidecar teams that raced in the Nats, has just rejoined the NZSRA. That's another positive step for the NZSRA.

Its a NO brainer really,Vote for Jim Tuckerman and keep MNZ moving forward or Chris Lawrence and watch Scrivener and co take the sport backwards as theyve done with sidecar racing in this country.
You're just scaremongering Billy, and not talking fact.
I'm not up for election, Chris Lawrance is. Remember, I just nominated him.
I will have no input what so ever into the running of MNZ (nor do I wish to), as I won't be part of the crew of officials, board, commissioners etc. As mentioned on KB, the president only has 1 vote, I can hardly see how I can do anything from the outside Billy. Please don't try to mislead people.

Jim has a very experienced and dedicated crew working with him too improve our sport,Including Kevin Goddard,Paul Stewart,Peter Ramage,Ian Dawson,Carmen Davidson etc,Will these people be prepared to work with Scrivener???I seriously doubt it.
Again, they won't be working with me Billy. Try as hard as you might imply, but I just am not going to be anywhere near MNZ. Board meetings are closed shop, so no outside interference is possible. You know that.

Graeme Billington,
75 Ascot road,Mt Maunganui,
07 574 5579,0212928400 or 0273857340.

Call me anytime,Or better still come and talk too me face to face

Billy, I will disagree with you everytime, if all you're going to do is talk bollocks, and slant the truth.
Just for the record, can you tell me one immoral act that Chris has done to another member of MNZ?

Kickaha

16th April 2011, 11:08

Billy, how much help was Jim Tuckerman in getting the Prolite 250 class you've been pushing into the Nationals?

scrivy

16th April 2011, 11:39

Have you slept near the cunt too?
I spent the night throwing shoes at him at Temuka in those tiny cabins.

Remember when Phil poured vodka down his throat and held his nose shut!!

PMSL!!

jellywrestler

16th April 2011, 11:40

Remember when Phil poured vodka down his throat and held his nose shut!!

PMSL!!
twas Drambuie, and I still got a good nights sleep.

scrivy

16th April 2011, 11:47

twas Drambuie, and I still got a good nights sleep.

Oh, it was too!! Yes, YOU got a good nights sleep!!

Billy

16th April 2011, 12:25

What do you base that statement on Billy?

Why is it you blame them for what has happened? what exactly is it you think you know about it?

Im pretty Damned sure you know the answers to both those questions or is that something else the gifted ones have left you out of the loop with as you have stated in other posts????

Billy

16th April 2011, 12:28

Thanks for your opinion Billy, definately something worth addressing IMO as is an opinion held by a few people ATM. I, like a few others that can't make up our mind are thinking of abstaining from voting as we just really don't know who to vote for. This is good food for thought and I value your opinion, not just cause you're an old buggar! ;)

So thats all I am too you now?Just an old buggar LOL

Absolutely do NOT abstain,VOTE FOR JIM TUCKERMAN and keep the momentum moving forward in a positive direction.

old rig

16th April 2011, 12:37

Im pretty Damned sure you know the answers to both those questions or is that something else the gifted ones have left you out of the loop with as you have stated in other posts????

why can't you answer the questions i would like to know

Billy

16th April 2011, 12:53

Billy, how much help was Jim Tuckerman in getting the Prolite 250 class you've been pushing into the Nationals?

Not sure why you'd think I would need help from the MNZ president as the class was already in the rulebook and all that was required was 6 bikes on the grid at round 1 to have it recognised as a national class?

Thats how it works,If youve got a passion for the sport you do what it takes too make things happen,OR you could try too drag it down when you dont get your own way!!!!

Billy

16th April 2011, 13:03

why can't you answer the questions i would like to know

I never said I couldnt,Just figured Warwick should have already known the answers,Likewise yourself.

But Okay in case youve forgotten,Have Chris and Andrew not always worked hand in hand and backed each other up???And its reasonably clear to anybody following this thread who has the stronger personality and whos calling the shots.

Are you also unaware of the aforementioned persons lobbying of the sidecar competitors too NOT compete at the Nationals due too the adding of an extra round at Steve Brons request????

scrivy

16th April 2011, 13:13

Hey Old Rig, how many people at the NZSRA AGM a few years back put their hands up to go down South for 3 rounds?
Can you remember any lobbying against it?? It was an overwhelming vote at the AGM. I think Billy has been told some bullshit from the same 'credible advisor' (that Billy posted above) that Jim has. PMSL!!

Chris and I, along with all NZSRA members back each other up. That's what a good club does. If someone doesn't like it, they say so, it's minuted, and the person is free to go if they wish.

As for the stronger personality, yip, I agree, that's my demeanor.
But as it says in Chris's profile - he gets on with everyone and is approachable.
Oh, I'm faster than Chris too........................... :yes::shutup:

Billy

16th April 2011, 13:28

Billy, I will disagree with you everytime, if all you're going to do is talk bollocks, and slant the truth.

TALK BOLLOCKS AND SLANT THE TRUTH WILL ONLY BE FOUND IN YOUR POSTS,COPY OF THE POLICE REPORT INDEED,PRINT ON THIS SITE TODAY THEN.
Just for the record, can you tell me one immoral act that Chris has done to another member of MNZ?

NOWHERE have I ever said Chris had done anything immoral to absolutely anybody,However lobbying other competitors to boycott the Nationals when you dont get your own way is hardly moving the sport forward,Is it.

I think Chris is an alright person from the very little dealings Ive had with him over the years and I think its admirable that he took over the meeting his father established and ran during the 80s and renamed it the TRRS.Again,Never anywhere did I say I hated him as you have implied.

So to recap the impressive performance of the NZSRA,As you have stated above,2 more teams MIGHT be buying rigs at the have a go day,1 team have reregistered with the association and 8 sidecars went to Australia,What a boost for the sport aye??Could you now inform us how many teams/people have pulled out of the association/sport due to the conflict with the current MNZ President and its associated problems??

Scaremongering or stating the facts??The numbers speak for themselves,Increased profit,more entrants,new classes,Still not perfect but heading in the right direction,AYE!!!

Billy

16th April 2011, 13:37

Hey Old Rig, how many people at the NZSRA AGM a few years back put their hands up to go down South for 3 rounds?

SO WHERE WERE THEY WHEN THE NATIONALS WERE ON ??????
Can you remember any lobbying against it?? It was an overwhelming vote at the AGM. I think Billy has been told some bullshit from the same 'credible advisor' (that Billy posted above) that Jim has. PMSL!!

Credible advisor,I got that directly from the competitors that did support their sport and fronted,Oh and sidecar bob mentioned it while I was at his place having discussions about the pink sidecar last year and remeber,sidecar racers dont lie.

Now theres a TUI ad if ever I saw one

scrivy

16th April 2011, 13:45

NOWHERE have I ever said Chris had done anything immoral to absolutely anybody,However lobbying other competitors to boycott the Nationals when you dont get your own way is hardly moving the sport forward,Is it.
Give me a name of an individual approached by Chris then, or it didn't happen.

I think Chris is an alright person from the very little dealings Ive had with him over the years and I think its admirable that he took over the meeting his father established and ran during the 80s and renamed it the TRRS.Again,Never anywhere did I say I hated him as you have implied.
So calling him a puppet is ok? He has his own spine Billy.

So to recap the impressive performance of the NZSRA,As you have stated above,2 more teams MIGHT be buying rigs at the have a go day,1 team have reregistered with the association and 8 sidecars went to Australia,What a boost for the sport aye??Could you now inform us how many teams/people have pulled out of the association/sport due to the conflict with the current MNZ President and its associated problems??
Just the one Billy, just the one - oh, it happens to be yours and Jims 'credible informer' too. That sort of makes sense now eh?

Scaremongering or stating the facts??The numbers speak for themselves,Increased profit,more entrants,new classes,Still not perfect but heading in the right direction,AYE!!!

How has MNZ helped with the increase in entrants?? What direct result of what initiative did this come from??
Increased profits? By not paying out $132000 in wages/salaries for a start. No restructuring fees - theres $125000. No world juniors - there's another $11500. Event promotion reduction there's another $12000. Removing the CEO car, theres another $17200.
Where has the so called $200,000 profit come from exactly again Billy?

Kickaha

16th April 2011, 14:07

Im pretty Damned sure you know the answers to both those questions or is that something else the gifted ones have left you out of the loop with as you have stated in other posts????

Actually I wanted to hear your version of it

Are you also unaware of the aforementioned persons lobbying of the sidecar competitors too NOT compete at the Nationals due too the adding of an extra round at Steve Brons request????

I am assuming you can produce proof of that? or is it just hearsay?

skilly035

16th April 2011, 14:11

Shame no one threw Spyder's hat in the ring for him as nomination for president this term. Imagine the fricken hilarity that would ensue then........ :facepalm:

The world would be a happy place :yes:

White trash

16th April 2011, 14:14

The world would be a happy place :yes:

Just because you fancy old "Wrinkley Balls" doesn't mean the world would be a happier place.......

scrivy

16th April 2011, 14:18

The world would be a happy place :yes:

Drunk and comical!!

jellywrestler

16th April 2011, 14:21

Just because you fancy old "Wrinkley Balls" doesn't mean the world would be a happier place.......
Who the fuck are you calling OLD????

White trash

16th April 2011, 14:24

Who the fuck are you calling OLD????

Are there no mirrors at your place mate?

jellywrestler

16th April 2011, 14:26

Are there no mirrors at your place mate?
yep and every time i ask one Mirror Mirror on the wall...
Your name comes back at me!

lostinflyz

16th April 2011, 14:36

How has MNZ helped with the increase in entrants?? What direct result of what initiative did this come from??
Increased profits? By not paying out $132000 in wages/salaries for a start. No restructuring fees - theres $125000. No world juniors - there's another $11500. Event promotion reduction there's another $12000. Removing the CEO car, theres another $17200.
Where has the so called $200,000 profit come from exactly again Billy?

what so by reducing their operating costs (predominately) and providing similar levels of services there not doing a good job???? If you don't need it, get rid of it. Its called efficiency

what direct initiatives are you/Chris proposing that will increase entrants???

Biggles08

16th April 2011, 15:01

But Okay in case youve forgotten,Have Chris and Andrew not always worked hand in hand and backed each other up???And its reasonably clear to anybody following this thread who has the stronger personality and whos calling the shots.

Billy....that is rubbish...sorry man. All good for you to vote for Jim and to support him but this sentence is completely inaccurate.

Just because Chris or Jim T for that matter, don't frequent this thread very often and post opinions themselves, does not mean other people on here are doing it for them?! One could argue the same about you speaking for Jim if that was the case (I'm not saying it is either BTW.)

I don't know Jim Tuckerman very well and can only base my thoughts on him and his performance from what I have seen and the affects of some of his actions. Chris on the other hand I have had some dealings with. I can assure you he is his own man and nobody's puppet. He has on many occasions come up to me and talk to me as a human being and asked my opinions on things. He has also provided a lot of interesting ideas about where he sees some improvements can be made on various matters.

Scrivy is and has always been an opinionated poster here on KB and he is merely doing in this thread, what he has done for as long as I have been frequenting KB. This in no way indicates he is speaking for Chris?!

To anyone else reading this, if you want some further contact with both Jim and Chris and ask them about their thoughts on certain things feel free to have a look at a discussion topic I have started on my Biggles Racing facebook page here (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=93676549725&topic=21513)

CHOPPA

16th April 2011, 15:02

How about we forget about trying to build numbers and cater for people who wont even turn up and look after the guys like myself who bust there ass to get there??

old rig

16th April 2011, 15:20

I never said I couldnt,Just figured Warwick should have already known the answers,Likewise yourself.

But Okay in case youve forgotten,Have Chris and Andrew not always worked hand in hand and backed each other up???And its reasonably clear to anybody following this thread who has the stronger personality and whos calling the shots.

Are you also unaware of the aforementioned persons lobbying of the sidecar competitors too NOT compete at the Nationals due too the adding of an extra round at Steve Brons request????

so does that mean i can ask for an extra round to be taken out of the nationals and it will happen i don't think so
so why can steve bron request the adding of a extra round and it happen
does he have power in mnz

CHOPPA

16th April 2011, 15:21

White trash

16th April 2011, 15:24

If Andrew Stroud wanted 10 rounds they would

You're almost as good as him. You guys should start a little movement to instate 10 round championship................

sidecar bob

16th April 2011, 15:24

Without dragging up quotes (its just too hard) Billy asks the question"Who will work with Chris?" while convienently forgetting that upon the announcment of Jims Presidencey, a significant number of high ranking counsel from within MNZ tendered their resignation immediately because they were unable to work with him.
I am aware that several are looking forward to change so they can become involved again.
He also has issue with the fact that Chris has a mate (in fact dozens of mates) that will support him through thick & thin. I would have thought that was a good thing.
Im also a little dissapointed that Billy claims I said things in a conversation that I cant even remember, that took place around my dining table well over two years ago, while we were discussing a paint job for the pink sidecar.
Im saddened that innuendos have been made by someone I was paying to perform work for me, & used as a stick to hit others with.

old rig

16th April 2011, 15:25

If Andrew Stroud wanted 10 rounds they would

there you go more racing easy fix

sidecar bob

16th April 2011, 15:26

If Andrew Stroud wanted 10 rounds they would

But Andrew's a champ, not a chump.

old rig

16th April 2011, 15:28

But Andrew's a champ, not a chump.

thats 9 champs not a chump in site

scrivy

16th April 2011, 15:29

If Andrew Stroud wanted 10 rounds they would

But............ He'd still win the champs after 5 rounds and he wouldn't have to do the rest.......

:yes::shutup::facepalm:

Taking the piss Choppa, just taking the piss......

Kickaha

16th April 2011, 15:30

If Andrew Stroud wanted 10 rounds they would

How many in the North and How many in the South? just so I can start budgeting for them

old rig

16th April 2011, 15:34

I never said I couldnt,Just figured Warwick should have already known the answers,Likewise yourself.

But Okay in case youve forgotten,Have Chris and Andrew not always worked hand in hand and backed each other up???And its reasonably clear to anybody following this thread who has the stronger personality and whos calling the shots.

Are you also unaware of the aforementioned persons lobbying of the sidecar competitors too NOT compete at the Nationals due too the adding of an extra round at Steve Brons request????

and there was no lobbying not to do the nationals how ever there was a vote at the agm that two rounds in the south would be done as it had before in past years
no body tells me where and when i can or can't race

jellywrestler

16th April 2011, 15:35

innuendos

I always thought those were Italian suppositories???

Kickaha

16th April 2011, 15:36

no body tells me where and when i can or can't race

You can't race on Stewart island :bleh:

I always thought those were Italian suppositories???

Bob would go through them by the crate

old rig

16th April 2011, 15:39

You can't race on Stewart island :bleh:...

no but you can race to stewart island:scooter:

blueblade

16th April 2011, 15:41

I always thought those were Italian suppositories???

Best post so far:yes:

Billy

16th April 2011, 15:52

so does that mean i can ask for an extra round to be taken out of the nationals and it will happen i don't think so
so why can steve bron request the adding of a extra round and it happen
does he have power in mnz

I would think not,The fact is,MNZ are the governing body and if they decide its a 5 round series then thats what it is,It is after all a NZ championship and should be treated as such,There are plenty of solo riders that dont enjoy the trip too Invercargill also and some of them (myself included)go there reluctantly,BUT its part of the series so you just have too deal with it.

Billy

16th April 2011, 16:02

Without dragging up quotes (its just too hard) Billy asks the question"Who will work with Chris?" while convienently forgetting that upon the announcment of Jims Presidencey, a significant number of high ranging counsel from within MNZ tendered their resignation immediately because they were unable to work with him.
I am aware that several are looking forward to change so they can become involved again.
He also has issue with the fact that Chris has a mate (in fact dozens of mates) that will support him through thick & thin. I would have thought that was a good thing.
Im also a little dissapointed that Billy claims I said things in a conversation that I cant even remember, that took place around my dining table well over two years ago, while we were discussing a paint job for the pink sidecar.
Im saddened that innuendos have been made by someone I was paying to perform work for me, & used as a stick to hit others with.

Innuendos,I think not Steve.Used as a stick?Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt that a legitimate answer to the question asked??? Where did I get my information from.
"Someone I was paying to perform work for me" Yip you paid for some fibreglass repairs and a coat of paint and thats all,Dont recall a confidentiality agreement!

Billy

16th April 2011, 16:09

Billy....that is rubbish...sorry man. All good for you to vote for Jim and to support him but this sentence is completely inaccurate.

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Really Biggles,I wouldnt have thought you"d been invovled long enough to know whos in it for the love of the sport and which ones had the hidden agendas,

Guess only time will tell!

sidecar bob

16th April 2011, 16:53

Innuendos,I think not Steve.Used as a stick?Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt that a legitimate answer to the question asked??? Where did I get my information from.
"Someone I was paying to perform work for me" Yip you paid for some fibreglass repairs and a coat of paint and thats all,Dont recall a confidentiality agreement!

I wouldnt have said we were boycotting the south Island, simply because we were not.
We did however discuss that because three rounds were being enforced (by Jim) that we were out of going south, which I have described earlier in the thread.
Why would we have been boycotting it? we had bought airline tickets, which, due to Jims bloody mindedness, we lost because he said "three rounds down south or no championship will be awarded" (I guess he should have refunded me the $1000 I lost) That was fine up until nobody showed up for the third round & his "credible informer" was given NZ champ status by MNZ against MNZ's (jims that is) express earlier instruction to us.
Care to explain why the chump was made a champ? & how you arrive at us boycotting, when we lost our flights & accomodation deposits?
Where did you get your information from??? My guess would be the "credibile informer" seeing as he's been the one peddling the boycotting lie.

sidecar bob

16th April 2011, 17:20

Really Biggles,I wouldnt have thought you"d been invovled long enough to know whos in it for the love of the sport and which ones had the hidden agendas,

Guess only time will tell!

I would have thought you would have been too.
Cant beat the old boys club eh!!

White trash

16th April 2011, 17:57

Guys this whole thing's getting a bit silly. Everyone seems to be getting a bit heated in their arguments with discussion going round and round in circles.

Myself, I just want to race motorbikes. JT or CL at the helm, I'm still going to race motorbikes, be it three wheeled or two. Both candidates would do well to let their supporters know that they're potentially damaging their chances of being elected.

Drew

16th April 2011, 18:02

scrivy

16th April 2011, 18:48

Really Biggles,I wouldnt have thought you"d been invovled long enough to know whos in it for the love of the sport and which ones had the hidden agendas,

Guess only time will tell!

Oh look, now he's attacking Biggles!! I guess it takes the heat off me!! :rolleyes: :woohoo:

Nice comment Billy, but care to explain how long your 'credible informer' has been in the sport? He's in it for the love of it too eh? Must be?!
Where as Biggles has been proactive for alot of members in his sport. For that I take my hat off.

Billy

16th April 2011, 19:53

Oh look, now he's attacking Biggles!! I guess it takes the heat off me!! :rolleyes: :woohoo:

Nice comment Billy, but care to explain how long your 'credible informer' has been in the sport? He's in it for the love of it too eh? Must be?!
Where as Biggles has been proactive for alot of members in his sport. For that I take my hat off.

Credible informer????Dont remember stating at any stage I was getting my information solely from one source,This credible informer seems to be somebody you and Bob have dreamed up.

Attacking Biggles,Or pointing out he hasnt been on the scene long enough to really know the players involved here?Take it how you like

Billy

16th April 2011, 19:57

I would have thought you would have been too.
You would have thought I would have been what????

Billy

16th April 2011, 20:05

I wouldnt have said we were boycotting the south Island, simply because we were not.
We did however discuss that because three rounds were being enforced (by Jim) that we were out of going south, which I have described earlier in the thread.

Err,So you refused to attend the South Island rounds as Jim had enforced there being 3 rounds,So isnt that boycotting???

Why would we have been boycotting it? we had bought airline tickets, which, due to Jims bloody mindedness, we lost because he said "three rounds down south or no championship will be awarded" (I guess he should have refunded me the $1000 I lost) That was fine up until nobody showed up for the third round & his "credible informer" was given NZ champ status by MNZ against MNZ's (jims that is) express earlier instruction to us.
Care to explain why the chump was made a champ? & how you arrive at us boycotting, when we lost our flights & accomodation deposits?

No you lost your deposits when you cancelled the bookings or did the airline and motels hear what jim was proposing and decide too cancel on your behalf ????

Where did you get your information from??? My guess would be the "credibile informer" seeing as he's been the one peddling the boycotting lie.

And there he is again,The elusive credible informer,Bill and Bens main man LOL

gixerracer

16th April 2011, 20:09

you would have thought i would have been what????

g a y

scrivy

16th April 2011, 20:29

Credible informer????Dont remember stating at any stage I was getting my information solely from one source,This credible informer seems to be somebody you and Bob have dreamed up.
Oh contrare Billy, MNZ (of which you religiously support) had repeatedly stated 'their Advisor' and that they listened to him unanimously over every other competitor in the class, as quote "he never lies".............
Bwahahahahahahahahah......

Attacking Biggles,Or pointing out he hasnt been on the scene long enough to really know the players involved here?Take it how you like
I won't take it or give it.................... but thanks for the thought!!! :pinch:

g a y

Now THAT is the funniest post in this thread!!! You sir are leading!!

wharfy

16th April 2011, 20:42

I would think not,The fact is,MNZ are the governing body and if they decide its a 5 round series then thats what it is,It is after all a NZ championship and should be treated as such,There are plenty of solo riders that dont enjoy the trip too Invercargill also and some of them (myself included)go there reluctantly,BUT its part of the series so you just have too deal with it.

I'd like to think that if a significant majority of solo riders wanted a change in format for the nationals that MNZ would accommodate them (given enough notice) after all MNZ is supposed to represent the members. Of course getting more than 3% of them to VOTE on anything would be a bloody miracle.

MNZ is supposed to make motorcycling Safe, Fun and Fair - the only one of those three aims that should not be done democratically is the first one - no matter how many members wanted to do something "unsafe" MNZ has a duty of care to ensure it is either done "safely" (as safe as bike racing can be) or not done. The members should decide what is fun and what is fair.

Paul Searancke

16th April 2011, 21:35

Tony.OK

16th April 2011, 22:29

Attacking Biggles,Or pointing out he hasnt been on the scene long enough to really know the players involved here?Take it how you like

So those that haven't been on the scene are supposed to just guess at who to vote for?

One candidate gets a couple of pages and the other is only allowed 300 words? Seems kinda odd. Then all this "he said she said" nonsense...............

Whats a novice level member to do? I've not got a clue anymore :facepalm:

scracha

16th April 2011, 22:55

I asked a similar question earlier in this thread - and not surprisingly there was nill in the response dept. Righto - back to the Nats and sidcars............. because thats where its at...:facepalm:

I hear you bro. Another 5 or 6 pages of wrangling about who said what in 19canteen, and what sidecar rider blocked another sidecar rider, or what Scrivvy said to somethine ten years ago, or what Jim Tuckerman said to LG for their sponsorship. And why Kawasaki dropped their sponsorship. etc. etc .etc. etc

I don't give a fuck

PLEASE STOP IGNORING 99% of MNZ MEMBERS

For the love of fucking christ can someone at MNZ please tell me what the fuck they're going to do to improve things for club racers like moi. Yes, I'm a selfish cunt. I don't really give a flying fuck about "the Nationals".

I'll vote for whichever candiate gives a semi respectable answer to this question.

Kickaha

16th April 2011, 23:00

For the love of fucking christ can someone at MNZ please tell me what the fuck they're going to do to improve things for club racers like moi. Yes, I'm a selfish cunt. I don't really give a flying fuck about "the Nationals".

Ok you selfish cunt what do you think needs improving?

If you aren't doing Nationals don't you think that would be just as much for the club you race with not necessarily just MNZ?

scracha

16th April 2011, 23:11

Ok you selfish cunt what do you think needs improving?

Fuck...where do I start. Better promotion of the sport. Safecty co-ordinator/adviser for tracks (Hampton Downs is a joke). Perhaps managing to not have a month between events and then 3 roadrace events in the north island all on the same day. On-board bike cams. Decent web-site. Some sort of testing prior to getting a race license. Transport between nats meetings. Alignment of rules with other series. Better encouragement and conditions for international riders to come here. Look at Suzuki tri-series and TRSS for lessons that may be learnt. Better training and development for riders. Better treatment of sponsors. More incentment to actually do the nats.

If you aren't doing Nationals don't you think that would be just as much for the club you race with not necessarily just MNZ?
I don't really understand your question as it makes absolutely no sense ?

But back to my original point. As a "selfish cunt" representing the majority of racers -
What are they going to do to lower my costs?
What are they going to do to increase my enjoyment of the sport?
What are they going to do to improve my safety?
What assistance are they going to give me to imrpove my riding?

Kickaha

16th April 2011, 23:17

I don't really understand your question as it makes absolutely no sense ?

Well it did to me and possibly no one else in the world

Do you not think that is just as much up to the clubs to make the improvements you are asking for as much as MNZ

As for everything else, how much would you like to pay for entries and licenses?, it's got to be paid for by someone and chances are it will be us

jellywrestler

16th April 2011, 23:22

I'm a selfish cunt.
Too right there. Here's your post re the Cemetery Circuit 2009
No signage.
No water.
No electricity.
No rubbish bins.
No indication where to pit, park or get fuel (for some reason the BP about 50m from the pit area was closed...stupid stupid stupid).
No pit passes meant riders and support had trouble getting back into pits after going out to get food/fuel.
A pit area just too small for 250 riders.
A scrutineers shed up a slope (why the hell couldn't the scruts come to us instead of pushing bike, paperwork and gear up the slope?).
Inconsistent rider call outs (sometimes 5m, sometimes 15, PA system squalking "park in the shade and be ready to go".....err yeah mate...I'm gonna ride a street circuit on cold slicks).
No race program.
Massive amounts of previous entrants in the "virgin" practise.
Massive gaps between classes.
That I wasn't allowed to practise with F1 but top F1 guys were able to burgle the 600 practise (I guess it's who you know).
That superpole took a huge amount of time even though things were running massively late.
That each class had 2 x 4 lap practise sessions for some reason which wasted more time.
There were basically just far too many classes for the allocated time.

So what are your suggestions to MNZ to make your wishes come true re your post in this thread so the candidates can at least address your ideas and make comments on them? Or do you just want to be spoon fed and whine when it's not to your ideals?

scracha

16th April 2011, 23:30

Do you not think that is just as much up to the clubs to make the improvements you are asking for as much as MNZ

In a word, no. The national organisation should be giving the clubs direction. It could happen from the club level (hell, Vic Club and Canterbury have done massive improvements) but then what exactly is MNZ's purporse? TRRS and Suzuki Tri-series spanked the arse offf the Nats as far as I'm concerned. But I digress.

As for everything else, how much would you like to pay for entries and licenses?, it's got to be paid for by someone and chances are it will be us
Please explain how the majority of what I've suggested would have to be paid for via increased entries and licenses? That said, realistically the entries and licenses are a piss in the ocean compared to motorcycle, transportation and accommodation costs. I for one would happily pay about 4 times as much if at least half of what I've suggested could be implemented properly. I don't think the sponsors, riders or spectators get very good value for money. And yes, I am aware that its very easy to point the finger but very few people seem to have the balls to try something different.

I don't care what anybody else says. The Nats are clearly "broken". 99% of riders and support crew lose a fuck-load of money. The handful of spectators generally get a shit show. The sponsors clearly aren't happy. TV coverage is next to nil.

scracha

16th April 2011, 23:38

Too right there. Here's your post re the Cemetery Circuit 2009
No signage.
No water.
No electricity.
No rubbish bins.
No indication where to pit, park or get fuel (for some reason the BP about 50m from the pit area was closed...stupid stupid stupid).
No pit passes meant riders and support had trouble getting back into pits after going out to get food/fuel.
A pit area just too small for 250 riders.
A scrutineers shed up a slope (why the hell couldn't the scruts come to us instead of pushing bike, paperwork and gear up the slope?).
Inconsistent rider call outs (sometimes 5m, sometimes 15, PA system squalking "park in the shade and be ready to go".....err yeah mate...I'm gonna ride a street circuit on cold slicks).
No race program.
Massive amounts of previous entrants in the "virgin" practise.
Massive gaps between classes.
That I wasn't allowed to practise with F1 but top F1 guys were able to burgle the 600 practise (I guess it's who you know).
That superpole took a huge amount of time even though things were running massively late.
That each class had 2 x 4 lap practise sessions for some reason which wasted more time.
There were basically just far too many classes for the allocated time.

I make NO, ZERO, ZILCH apologies for that post. Most of my points were valid. And you know what....they actually listened. I'm not so egotistical to think they just listened to me. Many other riders and specators had issues with the event that year. But they made good positive changes and I wish them continued success in what is truly a unique and great New Zelaand event.

I'm not the type of guy who when served a shit meal in restaurant, bitches and whines to my dinner companions and every table within listening distance but donsn't have the ballsack to actually tell the restaraunter that their meal/serice isn't up to scrach.

So what are your suggestions to MNZ to make your wishes come true re your post in this thread so the candidates can at least address your ideas and make comments on them? Or do you just want to be spoon fed and whine when it's not to your ideals?
Listen buddy, I'm not standing as a candiate for MNZ Road Race commissioner. Wishes don't come true. I'm not expecting perfection. I'm merely asking them to acknowledge that the majority of their members are not racing in the nationals, and what simple measure they'd take to serve us. If I knew all the answers I'd have someone nominate me.

So far, MNZ appears to not even acknowledge 99% of its members.

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 07:26

Listen buddy, I'm not standing as a candiate for MNZ Road Race commissioner. Wishes don't come true. I'm not expecting perfection. I'm merely asking them to acknowledge that the majority of their members are not racing in the nationals, and what simple measure they'd take to serve us. If I knew all the answers I'd have someone nominate me.

So far, MNZ appears to not even acknowledge 99% of its members.

Scratcha, whilst I understand your sentiment, this is not 100% right IMHO. This is actually the main problem in NZ Motorcycling as far as I see it right now...nobody "WANTS" to race the national series because of all the reasons you said. If MNZ can fix the majority of these issues then club racers would have something to aim for and "WANT" to compete in and many issues would simply disappear at club level as more entries became apparent.

Its a chicken / egg scenario. In other words, you are saying "Fix the club level and the Nats will follow" whereas I firmly believe the opposite is required. "Fix the Nats and the club level will improve as racers have a clear goal to aim for...to compete against the best of the best"

To back this point up, Paeroa is a great example of having all sorts of people come out of the woodwork to compete at. Why do racers 'WANT' to race here? I would hazzard a guess its because they feel like a hero in front of that massive crowd (some of which will be their friends) that is guaranteed to be there. There is a 'want' for them to do it...this is what is lacking in the NZSBK series I believe.

I would like to see some changes by the president elected (or the current commission) to address this 'want' issue somehow...these are points I would like to hear as to if/how they plan to achieve this.

Chris Lawrance has already stated his plans to address this by:

Listening to the current National Level competitors and getting our input into how we see things.
reducing competitor costs via various methods (possible control tire, less rounds, limited practice time prior to each round etc (to reduce the gap between factory teams vs privateers)
Focusing on Increasing crowds and competitor numbers at each round to reduce entry fees (as he clearly has had experience with in TRRS)

I am interested to hear Jim Tuckermans ideas on this issue too.

Deano

17th April 2011, 07:31

One thing I'd like to see MNZ do more of is compulsory engine testing to check the top 3 bikes at the Nats are within the rules of the class, especially the production/stock classes. Safe, fun and fair......

It was rumoured to happen this year but I don't think it did. Perhaps a mobile dyno would be the simplest means ? And I'm not just wanking on, I've heard several stories about so called pro twin bikes now. Very disappointing.

Any comments from the candidates re this ?

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 07:36

Really Biggles,I wouldnt have thought you"d been invovled long enough to know whos in it for the love of the sport and which ones had the hidden agendas,

Guess only time will tell!

Well I'm of the extremely high opinion of myself (I should just end this post here eh?) that I can pick people pretty well on first impressions Billy...and so far in my short time on this planet my strike rate would be above 95% correct :yes:

However, whilst I do appreciate all the work that has been done in the past with MNZ and the motorcycling industry as a whole, sometimes people who have been involved for a long period in any organization tend to become a little 'shuttered' in their viewpoints and fresh opinions that are unbiased from years of in house bickering can have some positive outcomes. Like me or not, maybe keep your mind open to the possibility that some points i make may in fact have some merit:niceone:

Grumph

17th April 2011, 07:58

Some comments arising out of the last few posts....

Motor stripping....been there performed that, but when you find a blatantly illegal motor, toss him out, and he's reinstated on appeal because the distributor declares that the mods would have made no difference....what do you do ?
At the time the rules are drafted there should be input from engine builders...some rule makers are both ignorant of the extent of rider ambitions and the realities of prepping a motor to last a season.
Nats riders versus Club level.....everyone's ambitions differ. I've struck guys who would only do the minimum club racing and lived for a National title....and those for whom club racing was as far as they'd go.
Once a NZ title meant something and was a useful door opener when the rider went overseas....is a title of any value now ?

lostinflyz

17th April 2011, 08:03

I hear you bro. Another 5 or 6 pages of wrangling about who said what in 19canteen, and what sidecar rider blocked another sidecar rider, or what Scrivvy said to somethine ten years ago, or what Jim Tuckerman said to LG for their sponsorship. And why Kawasaki dropped their sponsorship. etc. etc .etc. etc

I don't give a fuck

PLEASE STOP IGNORING 99% of MNZ MEMBERS

For the love of fucking christ can someone at MNZ please tell me what the fuck they're going to do to improve things for club racers like moi. Yes, I'm a selfish cunt. I don't really give a flying fuck about "the Nationals".

I'll vote for whichever candiate gives a semi respectable answer to this question.

whats wrong with club racing as it is that is something MNZ can fix/help????

MNZ issue a permit, train the stewards and thats about it for their involvment? Clubs take on the responsibility for running the show after that as far as i am aware.

SWERVE

17th April 2011, 08:10

The way i see it is that MNZ should just be the sanctioning body for all that legal / safety / official stuff.
Licences
Issuing of permits
Stewards/marshalls training
Corperate sponsorship
International stuff (not that road racing has much of that)
etv - etc

The clubs should run there respective series/events in a way that suits their membership base. Only having to deal with MNZ for the legalities

A promoter should run the national series / tri-series / streetraces.
A promoter who prime aim would be to high-light the sport - make meetings an event who would work with hosting clubs. Whos only interest is to make the promotion work (not to feather a hidden nest)

Junior development/training should be run by clubs or maybe a seperate operation .

I have been involved with racing for only 6yrs in NZ....... but over 20 in the UK prior to that. In the last 6 yrs i cant see where MNZ has really done anything really significant for our section of the sport.......... the clubs however are doing a great job i think.
As you were:innocent:

Shaun

17th April 2011, 08:19

Well I'm of the extremely high opinion of myself (I should just end this post here eh?) that I can pick people pretty well on first impressions Billy...and so far in my short time on this planet my strike rate would be above 95% correct :yes:

However, whilst I do appreciate all the work that has been done in the past with MNZ and the motorcycling industry as a whole, sometimes people who have been involved for a long period in any organization tend to become a little 'shuttered' in their viewpoints and fresh opinions that are unbiased from years of in house bickering can have some positive outcomes. Like me or not, maybe keep your mind open to the possibility that some points i make may in fact have some merit:niceone:

I respect your High Opinion of yourself Marcus, so PLEASE keep posting what you THINK, you have said some very sound things I believe

NOTHING PERSONELL BILLY:sunny: I just like to occasionally read some thing Positive and constructive on here, and he does come out with them.

Kickaha

17th April 2011, 08:40

I've heard several stories about so called pro twin bikes now. Very disappointing.

If anybody is that sure about it they should be putting a protest in if all they are going to do is "tell stories" you'll never know whether they were legal or not

jellywrestler

17th April 2011, 08:47

Listen buddy
Hey Clown,
don't call me Buddy thanks, last time someone did that my arse hurt for four days following, and I smelt of red wine when I woke up.

Deano

17th April 2011, 08:47

If anybody is that sure about it they should be putting a protest in if all they are going to do is "tell stories" you'll never know whether they were legal or not

The sources are pretty reliable (all were the owners, one of which did the modification) but who really wants to protest ? Protesters are hated as much as cheats aren't they lol ?

Wouldn't a few simple objective checks for the podium getters be useful ?

Do MA do any checks or rely on protests alone ?

lostinflyz

17th April 2011, 08:47

Chris Lawrance has already stated his plans to address this by:

Listening to the current National Level competitors and getting our input into how we see things.

Everyones got different opinions and 'wants'. What happens if theres a situation like the side car fiasco with plenty of different opinions, will he promote ceasing nats as side cars have?

reducing competitor costs via various methods (possible control tire, less rounds, limited practice time prior to each round etc (to reduce the gap between factory teams vs privateers)

outside the control tyre issue everything else i disagree with. Alot of people practice year round, there is no practical way to control that, and any short term control is aimless. And reducing rounds i'm 110% against. I show up to race with the top guys at the best time of year on as many tracks as possible. Im not particularly interested in club racing as the competition is not there. Not that i wont show up its just my focus is on trying to play with the best

Focusing on Increasing crowds and competitor numbers at each round to reduce entry fees (as he clearly has had experience with in TRRS)

Is reducing entry fees really the best use of any profits you may generate from increasing numbers, given the financial trouble some clubs (up north mainly) have running nats meets. I'd be ok seeing entry fees rise at meets to help nats run bigger and better

I am interested to hear Jim Tuckermans ideas on this issue too.

Just providing the dissenting opinion, but i guarantee i'm not the only one. who do you listen to?

Kickaha

17th April 2011, 09:04

reducing competitor costs via various methods (possible control tire, less rounds, limited practice time prior to each round etc (to reduce the gap between factory teams vs privateers)

I don't think that is a practical option, it just means some people will spend more money doing more club rounds at different circuits during the year or if there is no practice for the week before nationals they'll arrive two weeks before

The sources are pretty reliable (all were the owners, one of which did the modification)
Did you tell him he's a cheating fuck and should be embarrassed to even turn up with a bike that isn't legal for the class he's running in?

Deano

17th April 2011, 09:11

I don't think that is a practical option, it just means some people will spend more money doing more club rounds at different circuits during the year or if there is no practice for the week before nationals they'll arrive two weeks before

Did you tell him he's a cheating fuck and should be embarrassed to even turn up with a bike that isn't legal for the class he's running in?

hey the first comment isn't my quote bro.

he did the mod to see how his bike would compare in straight line speed to another bike that he suspected of cheating. it still didn't.

he was quicker than me when it was stock so didn't really bother me too much at the time - but yeah all cheating is cheating

Shaun

17th April 2011, 09:14

hey the first comment isn't my quote bro.

he did the mod to see how his bike would compare in straight line speed to another bike that he suspected of cheating. it still didn't.

he was quicker than me when it was stock so didn't really bother me too much at the time - but yeah all cheating is cheating

Did this person take into consideration WEIGHT difference between him and this other riders bike, also did he honestly compare who was whacking the throttle open where/when and how much

# Sorry, wrong thread, I was supposed to abuse some one, CHOW< where are ya TOSSER

jellywrestler

17th April 2011, 09:15

I make NO, ZERO, ZILCH apologies for that post.

OK Scracha.
That Post.

By you own admission in your race report the place got the better of you that day, and you chose not to ride later on in the day, that's your call, the streets can be a daunting place.
But to go on the web and broadcast a list of bitches right down to expecting them to babysit you for things like petrol supplies water and power etc (when a simple ask around would've come up with a fair amount of those) was just mean spirited.
Some of them were valid points, but very few.
MNZ have an opening for comments and discussions and more often than that you there's no need to go straight to the president there's the road race commission for one etc.
Everybody wants more this and more that, how many sit down and take the time to write in and not only say they want these; but come up with suggestions on how this could be implemented?
Sweet FA I'm thinking.

I've been in this game for 30 plus years, haven't raced a bike for the last half of those but have still attended 80% of the nationals in the last 15 years and always seem to end up with some sort of job to do there too, and when I come away from a meeting I'm satisfied that I contributed to it in some way.

It seems quite simple that cost and time aside a lot of riders simply don't want to do the Nationals. They're happy to do the club meets it's in their comfort zone.
They're a big fish in a small sea rather than the other way around.

As for value for money for the spectators, the racing has this season, and for the last few, been pretty damn good. The gate price in this day and age has been fair (what other entertainment do you get for 6+ hours for twenty bucks).
TV coverage ain't that simple, for a lot of years there was none.

Shaun

17th April 2011, 09:18

Kickaha ( Dave) are you coming up to the Chairs " Have a go day" and the NZSRA AGM in Taupo this month mate, ya don;t actually need a swinger to attend this one dude:sunny: And I would have trusted ya for Manfield if asked hahaha

MISTAKE, Sorry WARRICK!!!!

Wingnut

17th April 2011, 09:29

Its a chicken / egg scenario. In other words, you are saying "Fix the club level and the Nats will follow" whereas I firmly believe the opposite is required. "Fix the Nats and the club level will improve as racers have a clear goal to aim for...to compete against the best of the best".

Nope Marcus - once again this is your opinion. I believe there are many club guys who participate purly out of enjoyment and have little more interest than being a weekend club racer. At best they may attend the local Nat event and run in clubmans or perhaps a national class for that one round.

Many have a family and financial/work commitments that completely rule out the option of being able to committ to training/practise/obtaining sponsership etc not to mention the financial side of buying a late model bike and being competitive at a National level - regardless of their ability.

So in a nut shell - if you make changes to the Nationals (Fucks me what) yes it may increase numbers somewhat but there is still the fundamental issue that not everyone wants to be part of that scene - yet they pay just as much as all the nationals riders to be part of an orgainsation that seems to be lack focus at the club level (From what I have read on here) Please correct me if this isn't the case. Shit My club membership is around 1/3rd of the MNZ membership fee and I really have no idea what does MNZ does for me????

Although I totally admire and somewhat evny you guys that are able to make the commitment to compete at that level - The "not interested in the nationals club racers" should have a right to ask of what benefits/changes may come their way if a particular candidate is nominated, yes?

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 09:33

Just providing the dissenting opinion, but i guarantee i'm not the only one. who do you listen to?

All fair points lostinflyz...and I'm not going to necessarily disagree with much of what you said. I too would still like 4-5 rounds at the Nats, but this was not my point, rather I was expressing ideas that Chris has put forward as 'food for thought' and I think the key is the first point I made...he wants to 'listen' and discuss ideas with NZSBK riders to understand what the majority want to see. That's the democratic way.

jellywrestler

17th April 2011, 09:44

DEANO
you did your first National points meeting at
Manfeild after many 'club' days.
I'd be interested to hear from you what made you take that step up?

Wingnut

17th April 2011, 09:44

whats wrong with club racing as it is that is something MNZ can fix/help????

MNZ issue a permit, train the stewards and thats about it for their involvment? Clubs take on the responsibility for running the show after that as far as i am aware.

Agreed Tim, but the fact remains that they too pay a yearly fee and the majority of all the discussions on here have been somewhat based on where changes can be made to either the Nationals or Sidecars (excluding all the personal slagging):shutup:

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 09:46

Nope Marcus - once again this is your opinion.
yup...as is most of my posts.

I believe there are many club guys who participate purly out of enjoyment and have little more interest than being a weekend club racer. At best they may attend the local Nat event and run in clubmans or perhaps a national class for that one round.

I don't disagree and that wasn't what I was trying to say...of course not everyone aims to be #1 in NZ and many enjoy only competing at club level. BUT if the National field is healthy the flow down effect to the clubs will be evident...more people interested in racing, more potential sponsorship, more crowds with $$$ in their pockets etc.

Many have a family and financial/work commitments that completely rule out the option of being able to committ to training/practise/obtaining sponsership etc not to mention the financial side of buying a late model bike and being competitive at a National level - regardless of their ability.
I'll say two words to this "Andrew Stroud." IF ( and its a big one) you want it, you will find a way.

So in a nut shell - if you make changes to the Nationals (Fucks me what) yes it may increase numbers somewhat but there is still the fundamental issue that not everyone wants to be part of that scene - yet they pay just as much as all the nationals riders to be part of an orgainsation that seems to be lack focus at the club level (From what I have read on here) Please correct me if this isn't the case. Shit My club membership is around 1/3rd of the MNZ membership fee and I really have no idea what does MNZ does for me????

Fair question regarding 'what does MNZ do for me' however, I believe most of the responsibility of club racing needs to be directed at the club itself. Like many have said on here already, there isn't much wrong with racing at club level (apart from arguably AMCC meetings) and really MNZ isn't and shouldn't be more involved in this IMO.

Maybe to make you feel like you are getting your $$ worth, going forward MNZ should have different membership fees such as 'National Race License' and 'Club Race License' with differing costs for each.

Although I totally admire and somewhat evny you guys that are able to make the commitment to compete at that level - The "not interested in the nationals club racers" should have a right to ask of what benefits/changes may come their way if a particular candidate is nominated, yes?

Absolutely.

Kickaha

17th April 2011, 09:47

he wants to 'listen' and discuss ideas with NZSBK riders to understand what the majority want to see. That's the democratic way.

All riders need to be listened to not just NZSBK competitors

While the majority of the discussion is about Nationals that's not where the majority of racing takes place

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 09:58

All riders need to be listened to not just NZSBK competitors

While the majority of the discussion is about Nationals that's not where the majority of racing takes place

Of course... but in the context I was talking about how the Nationals should be run...and I do think as does Choppa as posted earlier, the views of those actually making the effort to compete should be consulted first.

Kickaha

17th April 2011, 10:00

the views of those actually making the effort to compete should be consulted first.

Possibly but will that attract new riders into Nationals? the views of those club riders not doing them might

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 10:03

Possibly but will that attract new riders into Nationals? the views of those club riders not doing them might

yes and I have no issue with that. BUT...those that ARE doing them are mostly busting their balls to do so and generally are no different than club riders...just more committed or more addicted. The views of those involved surely should have more bearing on how to improve the situation. Remember Kick, I'm merely a club rider too...just a club rider that decided he wanted to compete with the faster guys...thats all.

jellywrestler

17th April 2011, 10:05

wharfy

17th April 2011, 10:07

Well it did to me and possibly no one else in the world

Do you not think that is just as much up to the clubs to make the improvements you are asking for as much as MNZ

It is indeed, the clubs need to do everything they can to improve things for their members, and the one I belong to does (by giving discounts to members on events they run, track days race series etc.) Most clubs have some sort of junior rider program and are prepared to help their members in any way they can. Some have advanced rider training for non-juniors also.

The things that MNZ can do for clubs to make things better for club level members ?
I actually have no clue what they already do for non road race clubs (e.g. trail rides, trials, MX....) But (notice there is always a but before someone shoots their mouth off) seeing as this is in the RACE forum and I know scratcha is a road racer I will confine my comments/questions to Road Racing (whether street or track):

In my opinion MNZ should be doing everything it possibly can to facilitate the clubs running of road race meetings and make that process as transparent and co-operative as possible. Co-ordination of meeting dates is one area that could possibly be improved, maybe some sort of shared calendar so clubs can see what dates other clubs wish to hold events ? Some are set Whanganui = boxing day Greymouth=Labour weekend but others could be negotiable if everyone knew in advance when other clubs had planned things. Some tracks are harder to get meeting dates for than others so are less flexible.

Develop a relationship with Road Race clubs so that there is an ongoing exchange of ideas and any problems could be addressed sooner rather than later. Club officials and MNZ officials should feel they can air any concerns ask any questions (in either direction) without fear or favour. I hate to use the term but I am talking about CRM (Customer Relationship Management). If a business model where applied to MNZ the affiliated clubs are the customers everybody else is a service provider to MNZ so they can keep their customers happy and the business of the clubs is to keep their members happy.

I believe the initiative for this should come from MNZ - I don't mean hire a "salesman" but ensure that MNZ officials see that as "part of the job" and include it in the "officials training"

So assuming that in the (almost perfect wharfy-world) there is an open and constructive dialogue between MNZ and member clubs what could it be used for ?

Here are the questions for the candidates:

Do you believe that there SHOULD be an open and constructive dialogue between MNZ and member clubs ?
If the answer to the above is yes, do you believe YOU could help achieve that ?
What ideas do YOU have that could use that channel to improve the lot of the members of Road Race Clubs ?

Kickaha

17th April 2011, 10:10

MISTAKE, Sorry WARRICK!!!!
That's ok Gollum we all make mistakes

Maybe to make you feel like you are getting your $$ worth, going forward MNZ should have different membership fees such as 'National Race License' and 'Club Race License' with differing costs for each.

Not so long we had exactly that, however I think the club licence only allowed you to race with the club you were a member of

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 10:14

It is indeed, the clubs need to do everything they can to improve things for their members, and the one I belong to does (by giving discounts to members on events they run, track days race series etc.) Most clubs have some sort of junior rider program and are prepared to help their members in any way they can. Some have advanced rider training for non-juniors also.

The things that MNZ can do for clubs to make things better for club level members ?
I actually have no clue what they already do for non road race clubs (e.g. trail rides, trials, MX....) But (notice there is always a but before someone shoots their mouth off) seeing as this is in the RACE forum and I know scratcha is a road racer I will confine my comments/questions to Road Racing (whether street or track):

In my opinion MNZ should be doing everything it possibly can to facilitate the clubs running of road race meetings and make that process as transparent and co-operative as possible. Co-ordination of meeting dates is one area that could possibly be improved, maybe some sort of shared calendar so clubs can see what dates other clubs wish to hold events ? Some are set Whanganui = boxing day Greymouth=Labour weekend but others could be negotiable if everyone knew in advance when other clubs had planned things. Some tracks are harder to get meeting dates for than others so are less flexible.

Develop a relationship with Road Race clubs so that there is an ongoing exchange of ideas and any problems could be addressed sooner rather than later. Club officials and MNZ officials should feel they can air any concerns ask any questions (in either direction) without fear or favour. I hate to use the term but I am talking about CRM (Customer Relationship Management). If a business model where applied to MNZ the affiliated clubs are the customers everybody else is a service provider to MNZ so they can keep their customers happy and the business of the clubs is to keep their members happy.

I believe the initiative for this should come from MNZ - I don't mean hire a "salesman" but ensure that MNZ officials see that as "part of the job" and include it in the "officials training"

So assuming that in the (almost perfect wharfy-world) there is an open and constructive dialogue between MNZ and member clubs what could it be used for ?

Here are the questions for the candidates:

Do you believe that there SHOULD be an open and constructive dialogue between MNZ and member clubs ?
If the answer to the above is yes, do you believe YOU could help achieve that ?
What ideas do YOU have that could use that channel to improve the lot of the members of Road Race Clubs ?

Brilliant Kev!

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 10:18

ouch, then that'll widen the bridge from club to nats.
Keep on the posts Biggles though there's some good stuff in there

To be fair, the amount I spend on my race license is pittance compared to what I spend to compete at all rounds of the Nats. Its really a mute point and if the difference of say $30 or so between a Nat license and a club license is a argument for a club rider not to compete at the Nats then they never were going to anyway!

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 10:19

Not so long we had exactly that, however I think the club licence only allowed you to race with the club you were a member of

I think its still the case...change that to on club meetings but not Nats maybe??

Tony.OK

17th April 2011, 10:28

I think its still the case...change that to on club meetings but not Nats maybe??

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2010_2011_Licence_Application_Form.pdf

Most pay the full licence to be able to do other club/street racing I would think.

Wingnut

17th April 2011, 10:34

Maybe to make you feel like you are getting your $$ worth, going forward MNZ should have different membership fees such as 'National Race License' and 'Club Race License' with differing costs for each.

Thanks for your response Biggles - All valid points.

I wouldn't like to see any difference in the membership fees - just would like to air the point that there is more to the discussions on here than that of the National level riders.

If I wanted to, I could finance myself to run at the Nationals - but this is something I choose not to do.

Deano

17th April 2011, 10:35

DEANO
you did your first National points meeting at
Manfeild after many 'club' days.
I'd be interested to hear from you what made you take that step up?

I had planned on doing the Manfeild round last year but broke my hand a few days before.

I would have liked to enter HD as well this year but it was too expensive on top of all the racing I did in 2010.

I'm hoping to do the whole series in 2012.

Kickaha

17th April 2011, 10:42

If I wanted to, I could finance myself to run at the Nationals - but this is something I choose not to do.

If you don't mind telling us why do you choose not to?

Wingnut

17th April 2011, 11:03

If you don't mind telling us why do you choose not to?

Sure no problem Kick.

I try to live a somewhat as diverserfied life as possible - its a balancing act.

I have 4 kids under the age of 6 and have a career that is rather demanding in the time dept. I try to attend as many club races that time allows and totally enjoy that.

I probably don't spend enough time with my kids as it is and to venture off and do the nats would be somewhat selfish as far as my family situation is concerned.

So its not that it doesn't interest me personally, I just choose to spread my time across the various responsibilities/commitments as I see fit. Which in this point in time doesn't include racing at the nationals. Its just a personal choice mate.

wharfy

17th April 2011, 11:24

To be fair, the amount I spend on my race license is pittance compared to what I spend to compete at all rounds of the Nats. Its really a mute point and if the difference of say $30 or so between a Nat license and a club license is a argument for a club rider not to compete at the Nats then they never were going to anyway!

Yep.

I'm one of those club riders that does street meetings but not that Nats.
Cemetery Circuit - is one of those iconic meetings that EVERYONE should do at least once if they race in NZ. Pearoa is becoming such an event .

The Nat's - Well I'm just not a national class rider, when I was a lad I was a reasonably handy club rugby player, I even got a run in a Taumaranui sub-union under 21 team but I knew I was never going to be a provincial rep never mind a member of the "possibles" (which is what they called the aspiring players in the All Black trial in those days)

So I am never going to do a national series. I might do a Manfeild round if I can ever get my lap times down enough to only get lapped once - Shit I get lapped all the time at club races, but the people who lap me don't have National title at stake.

I would feel like such a dick if say sketchy had to slow to get round me coming out of Dunlop and lost the drive to the line and the championship :facepalm:

Oh and on the subject of being lapped, to all the other back markers out there, the BLUE FLAG means you are about to be overtaken by a faster rider - HOLD YOUR LINE -
Don't slow down or try and get off your line you will have no clue which side the overtaking rider might be planning on passing you how close he is what the closing speed is. Besides if you are getting lapped you are probably not using the same line the fast guys are :) The BLUE flag is so you don't get a fright when they blow past, and there will probably be more than one and they may pick different sides to pass you

Drew

17th April 2011, 12:30

Listening to the current National Level competitors and getting our input into how we see things. Why, the riders doing the nats will mostly be back next year. There needs to be little advantage to pandering to them, since it wont grow the sport at all.
reducing competitor costs via various methods (possible control tire, less rounds, limited practice time prior to each round etc (to reduce the gap between factory teams vs privateers)
Focusing on Increasing crowds and competitor numbers at each round to reduce entry fees (as he clearly has had experience with in TRRS) Ummm, haven't Andy and Chris both said TRRS cost them a fortune out of their own pockets to run?

I am interested to hear Jim Tuckermans ideas on this issue too. I'm not bagging anyone there, just a couple of things I thought I'd raise.

The way i see it is that MNZ should just be the sanctioning body for all that legal / safety / official stuff.
...
Corperate sponsorship Poor example of what they should be doing sorry, Jim REALLY dropped the ball on this one two years ago.
...

I think its still the case...change that to on club meetings but not Nats maybe??Why? To achieve what?

Segregating club and Nationals riders further can't help anything surely. We need more club racers to move to the doing the nats as well, and frankly they have nothing to fear from the faster pace. 115% of 1m6s lap of manfield is 1.16s, that is what is deemed to be safe by MNZ. Fuckin heaps of club riders would easily better that consistently, how do we get them to show up?

I think MNZ should get themselves a bulk transport deal, to get peoples bikes to the whole series for fuck all. Flights are so cheap these days that with one foul swoop, expense and effort have just been chopped in half. Double the grids and promote the events loudly, I reckon spectator increases would just about double as well.

Make it a show! Two curtain siders signed up with racing pics, crashes, sponsors promo girls, plastered all over would look friggin mean hooning down the country.

scracha

17th April 2011, 12:33

But to go on the web and broadcast a list of bitches right down to expecting them to
Some of them were valid points, but very few.

Look, if you must dredge up a really old post, then try digesting the final point I made. Otherwise, go forth and self procreate.

Wharfy, your comments regarding MNZ involvement in club racing were very good.

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 12:40

I'm not bagging anyone there, just a couple of things I thought I'd raise.

Why? To achieve what?

Segregating club and Nationals riders further can't help anything surely. We need more club racers to move to the doing the nats as well, and frankly they have nothing to fear from the faster pace. 115% of 1m6s lap of manfield is 1.16s, that is what is deemed to be safe by MNZ. Fuckin heaps of club riders would easily better that consistently, how do we get them to show up?

I think MNZ should get themselves a bulk transport deal, to get peoples bikes to the whole series for fuck all. Flights are so cheap these days that with one foul swoop, expense and effort have just been chopped in half. Double the grids and promote the events loudly, I reckon spectator increases would just about double as well.

Make it a show! Two curtain siders signed up with racing pics, crashes, sponsors promo girls, plastered all over would look friggin mean hooning down the country.

Bloody ell....I think all the planets are aligned or something....your making way too much sense!

Drew

17th April 2011, 12:44

Bloody ell....I think all the planets are aligned or something....your making way too much sense!

These are things I've said before, I'm just too piss crook to deliver them with my usual abrasive manner.

wharfy

17th April 2011, 12:46

These are things I've said before, I'm just too piss crook to deliver them with my usual abrasive manner.

So there is an up side to hangovers... :)

White trash

17th April 2011, 13:17

Segregating club and Nationals riders further can't help anything surely. We need more club racers to move to the doing the nats as well, and frankly they have nothing to fear from the faster pace. 115% of 1m6s lap of manfield is 1.16s, that is what is deemed to be safe by MNZ. Fuckin heaps of club riders would easily better that consistently, how do we get them to show up?

I think MNZ should get themselves a bulk transport deal, to get peoples bikes to the whole series for fuck all. Flights are so cheap these days that with one foul swoop, expense and effort have just been chopped in half. Double the grids and promote the events loudly, I reckon spectator increases would just about double as well.

Make it a show! Two curtain siders signed up with racing pics, crashes, sponsors promo girls, plastered all over would look friggin mean hooning down the country.

Bloody ell....I think all the planets are aligned or something....your making way too much sense!

Curtainsiders too expensive, but I have a plan.

Feast your eyes ladies. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/136943-Bulk-transport-for-Nationals-2012

I can make it happen, but it needs support.

White trash

17th April 2011, 13:48

Scracha's a cunt.

jasonu

17th April 2011, 13:48

If Andrew Stroud wanted 10 rounds they would

He gets as many rounds at the Mt Wellington Kart Track as he wants, even when the track is not open.

Billy

17th April 2011, 15:09

g a y

Fuck off bitch,I thought we were coming out together???

Billy

17th April 2011, 15:16

I'd like to think that if a significant majority of solo riders wanted a change in format for the nationals that MNZ would accommodate them (given enough notice) after all MNZ is supposed to represent the members. Of course getting more than 3% of them to VOTE on anything would be a bloody miracle.

Nope,I would think they would consider a change in format if a significant number of "competitors" indicated they wanted change,NOT JUST solo or sidecar competitors

Billy

17th April 2011, 15:21

Two Commissioners resigned, one was Mo Perry the unsuccessful candidates husband, the other was Warren New and then Board member Trevor Heaphy(Paul Stewart was seconded to replace him until there was an election).
I have always thought and said that the sport is bigger than individuals and the successes since then have reinforced that to me.

Paul Searancke

Yip,On the money Paul,Is it not true also that Warren and Trevor made themselves available again almost immediately afterwards(Only to resign again after the Hampton Downs round of the Nationals earlier this year)?

Kickaha

17th April 2011, 15:30

Nope,I would think they would consider a change in format if a significant number of "competitors" indicated they wanted change,NOT JUST solo or sidecar competitors

By "competitors" you mean across the board whether they are currently racing Nationals or not?

Billy

17th April 2011, 15:39

So those that haven't been on the scene are supposed to just guess at who to vote for?

One candidate gets a couple of pages and the other is only allowed 300 words? Seems kinda odd. Then all this "he said she said" nonsense...............

Whats a novice level member to do? I've not got a clue anymore :facepalm:

Good points Tony,

The best advice I could offer you would be to have a good think about whether the sport has moved forward under the current administration and if some of the changes made are to the benefit or detriment of the sport,

Then look at what the other candidate has too offer and where their facet of the sport has gone in the last 2 years,Has it increased or decreased?

Then I guess you need to factor in that being President of MNZ is not just about roadracing or dealing with competitors and clubs,its a much larger job than most of us realise.

Do you think both candidates can go the distance,One has proved he can already,The other only time and circumstances will tell.

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 15:50

Then look at what the other candidate has too offer and where their facet of the sport has gone in the last 2 years,Has it increased or decreased?

And we should all blame Chris Lawrance for this personally I guess...

Like I have said Billy, good to see you supporting Jim Tuckerman so well and he should be happy to have you in his camp...however once again you seem to want to look at this whole election from one side...much the same way that scrivy is.

Billy

17th April 2011, 15:53

By "competitors" you mean across the board whether they are currently racing Nationals or not?

Damn,Thats a curly one,While I guess it really only affects those intending to attend the National rounds,How would that be policed?That shouldnt rule out other licence having a say as its an MNZ championship and they are members as well,Of course if you factor in that most MNZ members dont bother too vote and there are those calling for input at the AGM from National entrants only!

I guess on that basis it would be based on the request from anybody that raced at a National round in the previous Championship,Support class or otherwise.

Fuck I'm glad its not my decision too make cause which everway it went you'd upset somebody

scrivy

17th April 2011, 16:01

Is it not true also that Warren and Trevor made themselves available again almost immediately afterwards(Only to resign again after the Hampton Downs round of the Nationals earlier this year)?

Why did they resign again Billy?
Due to.......??

Nothing along the lines that a change to the rules re: wet races was requested, but not actioned by the commisionor at the time? Which lead to a shambles............

jasonu

17th April 2011, 16:07

...Some are set Wanganui = boxing day Greymouth=Labour weekend but others could be negotiable if everyone knew in advance when other clubs had planned things. Some tracks are harder to get meeting dates for than others so are less flexible...

Fixed it for ya.

scrivy

17th April 2011, 16:15

The best advice I could offer you would be to have a good think about the sport and the current administration and how detrimental it has been to the sport.

Then look at what the other candidate Chris Lawrance has to offer:
Honesty,
Respectability,
Non-aggressive manner,
Communication,
Approachable,
No enemies,
For all facets of our sport,
Non biased,
No hidden agendas,
Transparency,
Never denied access to a race meeting,
Never banned from MNZ offices,
No double standards,
No conflicts of interest,
No fabrication of profitability.

Then I guess you need to factor in that being President of MNZ is not just about roadracing or dealing with competitors and clubs, its a much larger job than most of us realise. And the incumbant must have no anger management issues either.

Do you think both candidates can go the distance? Jim can't tick all the boxes above, whereas Chris already has!

That's my sermon for this Sunday.

(I said sermon Spyda.................. and I was never an alterboy)

Drew

17th April 2011, 16:16

Damn,Thats a curly one,While I guess it really only affects those intending to attend the National rounds,How would that be policed?That shouldnt rule out other licence having a say as its an MNZ championship and they are members as well,Of course if you factor in that most MNZ members dont bother too vote and there are those calling for input at the AGM from National entrants only!

I guess on that basis it would be based on the request from anybody that raced at a National round in the previous Championship,Support class or otherwise.

Fuck I'm glad its not my decision too make cause which everway it went you'd upset somebody

Constitution states that if you're a member, you get to vote on any issue. So to say that only competitors at a national level had a say requires a constitution change. That'd be fuckin near impossible to do without anyone who disagreed being able to appeal and stop the whole process.

So the curly decision is already made, and anyone bitching about it could be politely shown the door should they have an issue.

Billy

17th April 2011, 16:18

And we should all blame Chris Lawrance for this personally I guess...

Like I have said Billy, good to see you supporting Jim Tuckerman so well and he should be happy to have you in his camp...however once again you seem to want to look at this whole election from one side...much the same way that scrivy is.

Not at all Marcus,

I dont blame Chris solely for anything,However if a similar circumstance were too arise around your class would you just stand back and let it happen or do something about it,My guess from your posts on here(And youve made some bloody good and positive suggestions)is that you'd jump in boots and all to try and rectify things,Am I right???

Yes,Im right behind the current administration as I think they have made a reasonable job of moving the sport forward and I for one would like to see them given another term to further improve the sport,I reiterate,I have no personal qualm with Chris Lawrance,I just dont think he has the right people behind him as Jim does.

Heres the thing mate,The administration previous had rendered the organisation stagnant,Jim was elected and made some big changes,Some of the previous admin had appeared too have run out of drive and were being steeredby what appeared from the outside to be a overly dominant CEO,A ceo it turned out according to a management specialist we apparently didnt need,Some of those previous have been a huge part of MNZ and its predecessor the NZACU,In fact Sandra Perry (immediate past president)basically ran the NZACU singlehandedly and her Husband Murray (MO) Perry was the best MNZ steward I had the pleasure of working with as roadrace convener for MOMCC during the mid nineties and I was sorry too see them go.

If Chris were too be elected President,I would be only too happy to work with him so long as he was moving the sport forward.

Im not completely satisfied with EVERYTHING done by the current admin either,But I am satisfied we are atleast moving forward and there are some bloody good people on board.

Billy

17th April 2011, 16:25

Why did they resign again Billy?
Due to.......??

Nothing along the lines that a change to the rules re: wet races was requested, but not actioned by the commisionor at the time? Which lead to a shambles............

I have absolutely no idea why they re-resigned,If however the abovementioned is fact then I dont blame them too a point as the whole wet race issue is a dogs breakfast that was introduced by a previous admin following the tragic demise of the late Chris Dawes and simply introduced to cove the officials butts with little thought for the competitors,

However I fail too see how resigning will rectify the issue,Different strokes for different folks I guess

Billy

17th April 2011, 16:29

The best advice I could offer you would be to have a good think about the sport and the current administration and how detrimental it has been to the sport.

Then look at what the other candidate Chris Lawrance has to offer:
Honesty,
Respectability,
Non-aggressive manner,
Communication,
Approachable,
No enemies,
For all facets of our sport,
Non biased,
No hidden agendas,
Transparency,
No double standards,
No conflicts of interest,
No fabrication of profitability.

Then I guess you need to factor in that being President of MNZ is not just about roadracing or dealing with competitors and clubs, its a much larger job than most of us realise. And the incumbant must have no anger management issues either.

Do you think both candidates can go the distance? Jim can't tick all the boxes above, whereas Chris already has!

That's my sermon for this Sunday.

(I said sermon Spyda.................. and I was never an alterboy)

There you go Tony and anybody else interested,Up too you now.

Might not hurt if both Jim and Chris could respond just too confirm the information in both my own and Scrivys posts is correct.

scott411

17th April 2011, 16:34

SWERVE

17th April 2011, 16:58

Did this person take into consideration WEIGHT difference between him and this other riders bike, also did he honestly compare who was whacking the throttle open where/when and how much

# Sorry, wrong thread, I was supposed to abuse some one, CHOW< where are ya TOSSER

Dont often agree with you Shaun:shit: But i think i know who this is aimed at and you are totally correct.
We were blown away by a certain persons performance at the nats...... and to start with doubted their integrity:blink: However after watching their riding VERY closely during the nats (particually at levels) all thoughts of their integrity were re-instaited.
Obviously had been working on his riding and stratagy very hard during the season and by the look of him been training hard too.
Having some very experienced advisors certainly paid off also.
So early on the gas at the sweeper leading onto the straight at levels in was scary.:gob:
Congratulations from a thoroughly outclassed fellow pro twin team:violin:

scrivy

17th April 2011, 17:01

FARK!!!

Nearly 50 pages...................................

Pussy

17th April 2011, 17:07

My .05c worth...

Chris Lawrance's integrity is beyond question.
He is definitely one of life's good bastards

Paul Searancke

17th April 2011, 17:11

well i made my mind up today, Chris turned up to the Pukekohe MC club MX today, and after giving his thoughts at briefing, told us since we was here he might as well do something, and did the finish flag all day, while members could come up and ask him things,

box ticked, thanks for the help Chris,

Well done,
We need more officials at meetings. Today in Motueka there were 3 Commissioners, Jim Henderson(Trials Commissioner), Peter Ramage(Road race Commissioner) and myself ( Recreation/Leisure Commissioner) and MNZ life member Bob Cooke at a round of the South Island Trials Championships. One of the smallest parts of our sport but well supported from above. The President, Jim Tuckerman and Stewards Commissioner Del Morgan spent their Saturday delivering an Officials training day in Auckland. This is not unusual, lots of activity but most of it under the radar.

Paul Searancke

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 17:24

Not at all Marcus,

I dont blame Chris solely for anything,However if a similar circumstance were too arise around your class would you just stand back and let it happen or do something about it,My guess from your posts on here(And youve made some bloody good and positive suggestions)is that you'd jump in boots and all to try and rectify things,Am I right???

Yes,Im right behind the current administration as I think they have made a reasonable job of moving the sport forward and I for one would like to see them given another term to further improve the sport,I reiterate,I have no personal qualm with Chris Lawrance,I just dont think he has the right people behind him as Jim does.

Heres the thing mate,The administration previous had rendered the organisation stagnant,Jim was elected and made some big changes,Some of the previous admin had appeared too have run out of drive and were being steeredby what appeared from the outside to be a overly dominant CEO,A ceo it turned out according to a management specialist we apparently didnt need,Some of those previous have been a huge part of MNZ and its predecessor the NZACU,In fact Sandra Perry (immediate past president)basically ran the NZACU singlehandedly and her Husband Murray (MO) Perry was the best MNZ steward I had the pleasure of working with as roadrace convener for MOMCC during the mid nineties and I was sorry too see them go.

If Chris were too be elected President,I would be only too happy to work with him so long as he was moving the sport forward.

Im not completely satisfied with EVERYTHING done by the current admin either,But I am satisfied we are atleast moving forward and there are some bloody good people on board.

There is no question in my mind that the MNZ body has gone forward over the last two years Billy, but to be fair all that was needed was a big swooping knife to cut out the cancer that was holding the sport back (make of that as you will). From where I am looking at it now, I'm wondering and to be honest, doubt full if that same 'knife' is able to listen to the members from this point forward to continue the momentum. What is required now is some good ol consultation with MANY people over the direction going forward...no one person should choose the direction alone.

Deano

17th April 2011, 17:33

But i think i know who this is aimed at and you are totally correct.

no it was not aimed at js actually

jellywrestler

17th April 2011, 17:54

I probably don't spend enough time with my kids as it is and to venture off and do the nats would be somewhat selfish as far as my family situation is concerned.

easy to sort that bit, Put a suzuki shirt on them and take em to the meetings, mingle them with the Stroud clan and they won't even notice the extras!

jellywrestler

17th April 2011, 18:01

I said sermon Spyda.................. and I was never an alterboy

Yes but with a bit of photoshop it won't be hard to sort that...

jellywrestler

17th April 2011, 18:03

Not at all Marcus...

Hey Billy
didn't you watch the Hampton downs footage???
it should be Not at all Morris!

Billy

17th April 2011, 18:03

yes and I have no issue with that. BUT...those that ARE doing them are mostly busting their balls to do so and generally are no different than club riders...just more committed or more addicted. The views of those involved surely should have more bearing on how to improve the situation. Remember Kick, I'm merely a club rider too...just a club rider that decided he wanted to compete with the faster guys...thats all.

Not necessarily true Marcus,While the competitors already doing the National series need input so they can put their point forward,

Likewise the other competitors may have issues that if resolved could sway them into making the trek too sunny Invervegas,So they too can spend 3 days hiding under their awnings (Not from the sun)

All consultation needs too be across the board and anyway as Drew has already stated,All members are entitled too a say

Billy

17th April 2011, 18:10

Hey Billy
didn't you watch the Hampton downs footage???
it should be Not at all Morris!

No,Sadly I was working,Just watching the replay now,Creepy aye,Didnt realise Marcus had a twin!!And its damned confusing when they paint their bikes the same and use the same number,

Ive heard some Mothers dress them the same,But this is just silly,Thank god for transponders aye!!

Biggles08

17th April 2011, 18:16

No,Sadly I was working,Just watching the replay now,Creepy aye,Didnt realise Marcus had a twin!!And its damned confusing when they paint their bikes the same and use the same number,

Ive heard some Mothers dress them the same,But this is just silly,Thank god for transponders aye!!

You and the Jelly man can go to hell!!!! :Pokey:

I can't believe those Muppet's!!! lol

Billy

17th April 2011, 18:23

You and the Jelly man can go to hell!!!! :Pokey:

I can't believe those Muppet's!!! lol

Bwahahahahaha!

The jellyman came from Hell and the bastards wont take him back,Countless people have tried,LOL

wharfy

17th April 2011, 18:23

Fixed it for ya.

It wasn't broken

discodan

17th April 2011, 18:36

no it was not aimed at js actually

Go on, do tell! :psst:

Paul Searancke

17th April 2011, 20:32

Yip,On the money Paul,Is it not true also that Warren and Trevor made themselves available again almost immediately afterwards(Only to resign again after the Hampton Downs round of the Nationals earlier this year)?

Hi Billy,
As far as I am aware they didn't make themselves available after resigning, not even for a hand over briefing.

Paul Searancke

jellywrestler

17th April 2011, 20:38

Originally Posted by wharfy

Some are set Wanganui = boxing day Greymouth=Labour weekend but others could be negotiable if everyone knew in advance when other clubs had planned things. Some tracks are harder to get meeting dates for than others so are less flexible.
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Fixed it for ya.

Actually this is how it happened236874

wharfy

17th April 2011, 21:36

jasonu

18th April 2011, 05:10

It wasn't broken

Sure it was. I grew up there and it never had an 'h' in it.

Shaun

18th April 2011, 06:54

Dont often agree with you Shaun:shit: But i think i know who this is aimed at and you are totally correct.
We were blown away by a certain persons performance at the nats...... and to start with doubted their integrity:blink: However after watching their riding VERY closely during the nats (particually at levels) all thoughts of their integrity were re-instaited.
Obviously had been working on his riding and stratagy very hard during the season and by the look of him been training hard too.
Having some very experienced advisors certainly paid off also.
So early on the gas at the sweeper leading onto the straight at levels in was scary.:gob:
Congratulations from a thoroughly outclassed fellow pro twin team:violin:

Cheers Swerve, that Rider has as much Talent as any rider I can ever think of from our country, and his managemnet was Brilliant