MNZ board nominations

[scott411]

well the nominations have closed,

up for this years elections are the following positions,

Board Nominations

The following Board positions are eligible for election;
o South Island Road
o North Island Off Road
o President


in the past years, some candidates have come on here and answered questions, it would be good if they came up this time,

[Kickaha]

How or when will we find out who has been nominated for those positions?

[scott411]

How or when will we find out who has been nominated for those positions?

i presume this will be posted on MNZ site this week

[scott411]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=35622

well the two board positions only had one nominations each, so they stay as they are,

but its a two horse race for president,

B J (Jim) Tuckerman and Chris Lawrance

Jim has posted here in the past, but I do not know if Chris has,

[Str8 Jacket]

hmmm, I just caught up with all of this. There are two of us in one house that hold current MNZ licences - We both had no idea that any of this was goin on.... Anyone update me as to what has happened?

[scott411]

hmmm, I just caught up with all of this. There are two of us in one house that hold current MNZ licences - We both had no idea that any of this was goin on.... Anyone update me as to what has happened?

your voting pack will arrive soon i believe, the nominations forms were definatly sent to clubs and stewards, and have been on the website for months,

the AGM is in May, in Palmy,

more details on MNZ website,

[Str8 Jacket]

your voting pack will arrive soon i believe, the nominations forms were definatly sent to clubs and stewards, and have been on the website for months,

the AGM is in May, in Palmy,

more details on MNZ website,

Cheers <timesten>

[scott411]

ill go ahead and ask the first question, hopefully Jim and Chris come back on here,

as of 1st January 2011, the Board put a rider levy on Trail Rides run through MNZ permits of $1 per rider, in addition to a small increase in the permit fee ($105), since a lot of these rides are community fund raisers, this is taking money away from these charities, and since MNZ do not even provide a marking guide for trail rides, and although there is a trail ride commissioner MNZ and i understand some things are in the pipe line, at the moment MNZ provide no more than insurance for these rides.

Do the candidates agree with this move, thus pushing the largest group of off road rides away from MNZ sanctioned events?

[Biggles08]

I've got one too...

I realize it is a very difficult question to answer but I would appreciate an attempt at one regardless.

What is going to be your immediate plan to help give 'value for money' for the competitors currently involved in road racing events in NZ, if at all? At present the situation is such that only those that are committed 100% (or addicted and can't bring themselves to stop) get involved in road racing at National Level. Do you have a plan to encourage more racers to compete and possibly easing the burden somewhat for them? :yes:

[SWERVE]

Agree Biggles:yes:............. About time MNZ did something to promote road racing at all levels. Not just taking our subs and then making an attempt to justify themselves by "half-arsed" involvement/promotion at 5 events a year (nats):shutup:

Guess its about the time of year that this subject reared its head...again!
Oh joy:facepalm:

[scrivy]

Can someone please tell me who nominated Mr Tuckerman. It was a requirement on the nomination form.

[racer40]

Hi everyone, Chris Lawrance here, I will try to answer your questions as best as i can,but i am not on here all the time. First up Scott411, I dont really know how many trail rides run with mnz permits, but the $105 doesnt sound to bad for the amount of riders at them. I cant speak for the current regime on why they take the $1 per rider or what they use it for, but it seems a bit unfair to take it especially for a charity ride especially when we are trying to encourage people into the sport of motorcycling, and I m sure there is a lot of money being spent by these trail riders on riding gear, bikes, parts etc which is good for the trade who help sponser events.

[Kickaha]

Hmmmm vote for NZ self proclaimed biggest arsehole in Motorsport or Chris, fuck me that's a tough choice :whistle:

Can someone please tell me who nominated Mr Tuckerman. It was a requirement on the nomination form.
I heard you did, isn't he one of your bestest friends?

[Tony.OK]

Hmmmm vote for NZ self proclaimed biggest arsehole in Motorsport or Chris, fuck me that's a tough choice :whistle:

I heard you did, isn't he one of your bestest friends?

Well I know what your choice is................

Voting for another Chair skidder would be a conflict of interest wouldn't it, so that just leaves you with one choice :innocent:

[Paul Searancke]

ill go ahead and ask the first question, hopefully Jim and Chris come back on here,

as of 1st January 2011, the Board put a rider levy on Trail Rides run through MNZ permits of $1 per rider, in addition to a small increase in the permit fee ($105), since a lot of these rides are community fund raisers, this is taking money away from these charities, and since MNZ do not even provide a marking guide for trail rides, and although there is a trail ride commissioner MNZ and i understand some things are in the pipe line, at the moment MNZ provide no more than insurance for these rides.

Do the candidates agree with this move, thus pushing the largest group of off road rides away from MNZ sanctioned events?

Hi Scott,

As the Commissioner responsible for Trail Rides I thought that I should answer your question in the 1st instance.
The email I sent you on the 8th of March asking you and your club to be involved in the working group on Trail Ride guidelines and rules answers most of your questions. This email also set out the process. Thanks for the information you sent me and it was a pity you couldn't make the meeting.Getting some standardisation into trail ride events is long overdue.
When you raised the $1.00 fee with me I subsequently sent a request to the Board outlining your and my concerns and asking that it be reviewed. This is in process I believe.
As far as I can find out there are less than a dozen registered charities running trail rides. The non MNZ rides you refer to are generally run for fundraising for various organisations or commercial operations.
Paul Searancke

[watchman]

I've got one too...

I realize it is a very difficult question to answer but I would appreciate an attempt at one regardless.

What is going to be your immediate plan to help give 'value for money' for the competitors currently involved in road racing events in NZ, if at all? At present the situation is such that only those that are committed 100% (or addicted and can't bring themselves to stop) get involved in road racing at National Level. Do you have a plan to encourage more racers to compete and possibly easing the burden somewhat for them? :yes:

I see in Jim Tuckermans profile he outlines how MNZ has gone in the past two years from a precarious financial position to one in which in the coming year there will be more money availible for the members.
Being i think a typical motorcyclist my immediate thought was whats in it for me, prize money perhaps at National meetings, reduced entry fees, even god forbid appearance money ,not that any one would be paying to see me ride.
did i give one thought to whether money would be better spent in other ways , of couse not , i thought how the lure of this major turn around in mnzs fortunes could benefit me.
then at the weekend i took part in conversations where it dawned on me that at times we hear what we want to and not actually what is said. a fellow rider was expounding his theory of life in the pits and got on to the subject of why riders had given up prizemoney at Nationals. turns out i was under another major misconception ,riders gave up money to pay for tv advertising radio and other media to promote whole series
not to pay for the TV programs that are made .
Having some disbelief in this i had it confirmed by a board member.the coverage is paid for by Castrol and Industry sponsers. moral of this is ask the right person to get correct answer, for road racing questions i will ask the commission they administer sport

[Kickaha]

turns out i was under another major misconception ,riders gave up money to pay for tv advertising radio and other media to promote whole series not to pay for the TV programs that are made .

It is a misconception that a large amount of people were under then, and not how I remember it being presented to us

[Wingnut]

Hmmmm vote for NZ self proclaimed biggest arsehole in Motorsport or Chris, fuck me that's a tough choice :whistle:

For all you guys who cant read... The above is a quote... And is not my personal opinion.... Jesus!

Looks left..:corn::corn::corn:looks right....:corn::corn::corn:looks left...

[scrivy]

Looks left..:corn::corn::corn:looks right....:corn::corn::corn:looks left...

...........and dodges the code of conduct charge.................. :shutup::yes: :dodge:

[watchman]

would it be churlish andy to suggest that your current actions are more driven by the very well known to all problems you have with jim tuckerman personally rather than any deep abiding interest in all disciplines of the sport?
didnt the pair of you pull the sidecar association out of mnz and then spend months attacking the visible head of it ie the President. and if your last post is anything to go by still are?
one wonders just why producing the accounts for the club which is a requirement for all clubs was such a problem ,prove us all wrong and put them out to the public.
still we all know all is not sweetness and light in the association itself.perhaps those chairs who did support the nationals might like to air their experiences.
as an oldtimer i know jim Tuckerman was an inaurgral member of sidecars, certain lly very vocal in his support of them for years.
in fact of the lawrences for years,
you have to wonder

[watchman]

yes there is a ps
as a member of mnz aware that the president is only one of 5 and is therefore able to be outvoted on everything in board meetings i find this constant attacking of the president inconsistent, what about other 4 who may have made decisions he didnt agree with, still smacks of a personal vendetta andy or is it a case of you and chris throwing your toys out of the cot over trying to force how many meetings you would go to a few years back and finding out that love him or hate him jim tuckerman obviously doesnt give in to bullies.dont take this personally .just an observation, i would have thought if you were so concerned there would have been candidates for other positions

[prettybillie]

I have a question about what support will the new president give to the clubs. As a former club committee member, I know first hand, the clubs do a hell of a lot of work and put a hell of a lot on the line to run meetings. To run a national meeting, a club has to put on the line their complete financial well being - they cost so much money to run, and MNZ offer no support if it all goes belly up.

IMHO there needs to be much much more support for the clubs who are fostering the sport!!!!!

[scrivy]

would it be churlish andy to suggest that your current actions are more driven by the very well known to all problems you have with jim tuckerman personally rather than any deep abiding interest in all disciplines of the sport?
What would those problems be Mr Watchman? Can you elaborate to all here on KB please. I'm curious.
Also, can you use your real name, mines Andy Scrivener, I race sidecar number 51.

didnt the pair of you pull the sidecar association out of mnz and then spend months attacking the visible head of it ie the President. and if your last post is anything to go by still are?
You obviously think I have some control on NZSRA members. Actually I'm not on the committee, so can't tell or make anyone do jack shit! The NZSRA members are all intelligent individuals that can certainly make up their own minds.
I believe that there are other clubs about to walk from MNZ also. Am I a member of their clubs - NO! Do I have any control of their clubs - NO!

It is funny though Mr Watchman - that I haven't been here on KB for nearly 1 year, but as soon as I come on, you attack me. Did you also attack Kickaha and Wingnut for their views on JT in posts above - oh, that's right, you didn't. Why is that?
Pulling the NZSRA out of MNZ was the logical choice by 91% of it's members - it's called a democracy, and that's what all good clubs should abide by. Why did we go our seperate ways with MNZ? Due to the problems (you fail to mention) we all had with JT (but you need to elaborate on) - since you know all about it!

one wonders just why producing the accounts for the club which is a requirement for all clubs was such a problem ,prove us all wrong and put them out to the public.
It may be a requirement for all clubs to do so - if asked to. Just how many other clubs have ever been asked to show them? Give me a figure - not just from the top of your head either.
I spent over $10,000 of my own money promoting the TRRS in the last year alone, for no ones benefit but the riders. How Tuckerman thought I was making money from a meeting that charged the lowest entry fees was beyond belief. And you say on here that I have it in for JT - dude, if you take your head out of your @$$, you'd see it was clearly the other way around!

still we all know all is not sweetness and light in the association itself.perhaps those chairs who did support the nationals might like to air their experiences.
I'd love to hear how they feel. Can you name one member that is not happy with being in the NZSRA? Go-on, just 1 name is all I'm after. No one puts a gun to any members head and tells them to do anything. Do you think that's what happens? Why would people still join up (and more joining now than ever before), if they didn't like it, they would leave!
I love the way that you imply that it is the NZSRA's fault for the low turn-out of sidecars this year, when us NZSRA members have had a ball racing at the meetings we choose to race at.
Does it state in the motorcycle manual of sport that we must race at National level? Must every motorcross rider do the motorcross championships?
I can feel sour grapes from you dude - so it must mean you are linked to someone who's doing the stirring against the NZSRA. As I said before - us NZSRA members don't care for the bullshit and blame thats been directed at us. You have one side of the story, and we haven't stated ours to anyone, nor really care to either.

as an oldtimer i know jim Tuckerman was an inaurgral member of sidecars, certain lly very vocal in his support of them for years.
in fact of the lawrences for years,
you have to wonder
Actually, funny you say that, because he's no-where to be seen on a NZSRA founding members list.

Who JT supports in racing is his business, I support others too, I also support the Lawrances - just not when we're racing together........

Andy Scrivener

[scrivy]

To run a national meeting, a club has to put on the line their complete financial well being - they cost so much money to run, and MNZ offer no support if it all goes belly up.

IMHO there needs to be much much more support for the clubs who are fostering the sport!!!!!

Hi Leanne, did your club ever get asked to show your accounts?

[scrivy]

yes there is a ps
as a member of mnz aware that the president is only one of 5 and is therefore able to be outvoted on everything in board meetings i find this constant attacking of the president inconsistent, what about other 4 who may have made decisions he didnt agree with, still smacks of a personal vendetta
Give me some examples mate. I went to conference last year and questioned JT and the Board - so you're totally wrong there I'm afraid.

andy or is it a case of you and chris throwing your toys out of the cot over trying to force how many meetings you would go to a few years back and finding out that love him or hate him jim tuckerman obviously doesnt give in to bullies.
Again, you don't know the full story. Only 2 members out of about 15 wanted to go south for 3 rounds. All the rest of the members didn't want to, so didn't go south, simple really. I didn't even race the Nats that year, but you accuse me of throwing my toys out of my cot. You're a crack up!

dont take this personally .just an observation, i would have thought if you were so concerned there would have been candidates for other positions
Why do you assume that? Did you assume Steve Bron was determined to oust Sandra Perry when he nominated JT 2 years ago?? What was his motive back then??

[prettybillie]

Hi Leanne, did your club ever get asked to show your accounts?

Hey Scriv - I know for a fact, we were never asked to show MNZ the budget prepared for a nationals meet or the balance sheet for it. As far as I am aware we have never been asked to show any of the clubs monthly / annual accounts to MNZ.....I may be wrong though.

[watchman]

pretty billie .valid question .raises another why should the governing body bail out clubs when they dont in any other discipline .surely the clubs should be looking at new and innovative ways to make their events profitible,look at the tri -series, surely a model for other clubs to follow.
perhaps road race commissioner would like to comment

[watchman]

Looks left..:corn::corn::corn:looks right....:corn::corn::corn:looks left...

only a tough choice if you cant tell diffrence between some one who does more for sport than line his own pockets in the guise of doing it for a club , oh slap my hand am i being unkind hell no just honest

[scott411]

Hey Scriv - I know for a fact, we were never asked to show MNZ the budget prepared for a nationals meet or the balance sheet for it. As far as I am aware we have never been asked to show any of the clubs monthly / annual accounts to MNZ.....I may be wrong though.

I can tell you that the club I am involved in has only ever been asked for books for one meeting, and that was when we received funding from the FIM for an Oceania Champs,

[Bykmad]

Isnt it stunning. MNZ elections roll around again and we get some new "Alias's" appear. If anyone wants to say anything, be brave enough to put it up with your name in the text.
And just to clear things up, I am Warren New and have used "Bykmad" since late 2006.

[scott411]

only a tough choice if you cant tell diffrence between some one who does more for sport than line his own pockets in the guise of doing it for a club , oh slap my hand am i being unkind hell no just honest

very big statement to make from behind an Alias, man up and use a name will you, most of us that frequent here know the regulars,

for those that don't know me,

Scott Wilkins
President, Pukekohe Motorcycle Club,
supercross promotor (retired at this stage)
Grade 2 Steward,
MNZ Liceince holder since 1986

[prettybillie]

pretty billie .valid question .raises another why should the governing body bail out clubs when they dont in any other discipline .surely the clubs should be looking at new and innovative ways to make their events profitible,look at the tri -series, surely a model for other clubs to follow.
perhaps road race commissioner would like to comment

My question is not just about financial support - it's about support as a whole. How can the clubs run the meets profitable, what makes a good meet, how can we attract new members, what can be offered to assist in training the voluteers who help, how can we help clubs get a SOPS document together, do clubs need help with a marketing plan blah blah blah

Most of you already know me - but Leanne Thomas former AMCC member and current Vic Club member!

[watchman]

Why do you assume that? Did you assume Steve Bron was determined to oust Sandra Perry when he nominated JT 2 years ago?? What was his motive back then??

Andrew, must be Alzeimers son,names pat , rack your brains your"l remember.

selective memory is at work here i see ,lots of conversations lots of places all filled with vitriol re Jim Tuckerman,
god the power he must weld to evoke such a response.
did i say it was mnz No i saidyou and chris took club out ofmnz rather than produce accounts.
will i see a true copy filed on the friendly societys web page as all mnz clubs were required to do ,point me at it for last few years,

actually is the association working within its constitution,
didnt actually know you werent on kiwi biker because i only just joined pissed off with all the lies being touted as facts in pits here and in AUSTRALIA.

CHECK WITH JIM MATE YOUR RECORDS LIKE MOST THINGS WRONG HE WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER.
am i shouting yes i am

At time you mention re going south Paul stewart had a lot to do with road racing wasnt he commissioner ,wouldnt be impinging his reputation mate ,most honest man in motorcycling,

heard you made a dick of yourself at agm , you can protest all you like mate sour grapes have been festering for a long time,
pleased you confirmed what most people already knew you and chris were acting as private promotors without a license.

[scrivy]

Thanks for that Warren, you're so on the money!

Unfortunately, it doesn't astound me that we get these newbies (less than 2 posts) appear each time this shit rears it's ugly head. You can tell straight off which 'camp' they support, and they try really hard to discredit others with infactual information.
I see Mr Watchman hasn't come back with any truth or fact.
It's easy to post stuff on here, unfortunately you don't have to tell the truth, and again unfortunately alot of the lies stick, as most independent individuals on KB have no clue about what is being said with the inuendos mentioned!!

As for my nomination of Chris Lawrance - well, most of you will know Chris as being totally decent, motivated by nothing else but a genuine love of the sport, absolutely no hidden agendas, no financial gain for being MNZ President, and he wants to see ALL facets of motorcycle sport in this country excel! Most of you riders will have seen Chris around the traps at some stage, being at either Motorcross, Roadracing, Buckets, Speedway, Classics, Post Classics and even at the odd trailride, not to mention motorcycle shows and even club meetings/agms.

There are not many people in this world that give their all for no pecuniary gain or advantage. Chris is one of those special people. I support him 100% to improve the condition of MNZ as it stands. That can only be advantageous to all MNZ members/riders.

Scrivy

[watchman]

No i didnt assume steve bron was trying to oust Sandra Perry because i wasnt aware he was person who nominated Jim Tuckerman,
how ever in your case i would love to find any one in the know in mnz today who wasnt aware of your undying wish to remove the man who has pulled mnz into the modern world so its now operating like the professional organisation it should have been,
one always assumed sidecar racers were an intelligent lot but to be honest Andrew some of the shite you and chris have been circulating for years re Jim Tuckerman makes me embarassed i ever considered you both in a favourable light

sorry you can remember who i am, will give you something constructive to do for a change

[White trash]

Fuck me. It's all on here isn't it?

[Tony.OK]

Fuck me. It's all on here isn't it?

Yep...........................Deja Vu (that means seems familiar Jimmy :innocent:)

[watchman]

very big statement to make from behind an Alias, man up and use a name will you, most of us that frequent here know the regulars,

for those that don't know me,

Scott Wilkins
President, Pukekohe Motorcycle Club,
supercross promotor (retired at this stage)
Grade 2 Steward,
MNZ Liceince holder since 1986

my my how defensive every one is,
theres a famous saying that those who are immediately defensive have something to hide.
No No No i am not hiding under an alias.
when i joined i filled out my profile i gave my name,it asked me what i wanted to log in as i gave a name,its not an alias its a family name, how was i to know that far from being an open minded ,bunch there was so much hype on controlling who every one was,
my motive is simple ,i think an election should be fought fairly,
i think everyone should be able to air their opinions ,apparently not.
im a hanger on in the pits a twister of spanners but i listen a lot.
what i hear highlights for me those who do the hard yards and those who are only interested in their own faction,
take it or leave it
anyone whose been around wanganui or mt wellington knows what im talking about

[scrivy]

Andrew, must be Alzeimers son,names pat , rack your brains your"l remember.

selective memory is at work here i see ,lots of conversations lots of places all filled with vitriol re Jim Tuckerman,
god the power he must weld to evoke such a response.
did i say it was mnz No i saidyou and chris took club out ofmnz rather than produce accounts.
will i see a true copy filed on the friendly societys web page as all mnz clubs were required to do ,point me at it for last few years,

actually is the association working within its constitution,
didnt actually know you werent on kiwi biker because i only just joined pissed off with all the lies being touted as facts in pits here and in AUSTRALIA.

CHECK WITH JIM MATE YOUR RECORDS LIKE MOST THINGS WRONG HE WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER.
am i shouting yes i am

At time you mention re going south Paul stewart had a lot to do with road racing wasnt he commissioner ,wouldnt be impinging his reputation mate ,most honest man in motorcycling,

heard you made a dick of yourself at agm , you can protest all you like mate sour grapes have been festering for a long time,
pleased you confirmed what most people already knew you and chris were acting as private promotors without a license.

Funny that MNZ office wouldn't give us a 'licence' when we asked them years before, them rather saying it wasn't necessary!! As a member of a club, we have full power to promote an event any which way we deem fit. If you check rule no. 4.12 There will be no restriction on affiliated clubs promoting events. Yes we were an affiliated club, so no contest. Also, can you PLEASE show me the clause that states no private sponsor is to bankroll an event. (Even Leanne on here says most clubs are crippled in running an event)
That is the reason you wank on about why we wouldn't show JT the figures. Do you think Suzuki NZ would show JT their accounts for sponsoring the Tri-series or Wanganui?
Get real!!

[scott411]

not really getting defensive, I just think its fair that people are upfront about who they are, i started this thread so people can get an idea of what the candidates stand for, so people can make an informed decision on who they want to vote for

by your posts making statements about Andy on Chris in this thread, it seems you have made up your mind on who you are voting for, (if you are a member of MNZ), you have accused them of making money out of something in the guise of a club run meeting, its a big call to make,

if you do not want to post your name, that's your call, but I think a hell of a lot less about opinion's and statements when they are done with out names attached, esp when they turn up just on these threads only at this time of year

[scrivy]

Scott,

Just so you, and others on here know, that our TRRS cost over $65,000 to run in the last year. Nearly 300 bikes at only $120 entry. You and others can do the math. As I've stated, I spent alot of my money for others for no gain, and Chris did too. We also started this event way prior to JT being where he is now. Mr Watchman just wants everyone to think we are out for revenge. He's an idiot that wants to discredit myself and Chris.
He obviously thinks he knows alot about stuff - but has obviously only been told what he should hear - not the actual truth!

Andy Scrivener

[White trash]

Yep...........................Deja Vu (that means seems familiar Jimmy :innocent:)

Who you voting for you rotten old cocksucker?

Personally, I'm in two minds. Jim seems to have done quite some good for the sport during his time in office, and Chris is obviously a top fucken bloke.

What I'd like to see is clear and concise battle plans from each of the nominees as to what they plan to acheive and how they'll go about it. Similar to any election campaign. Recently, it seems that people just vote for who they like best which is a bit weird.

[watchman]

Thanks for that Warren, you're so on the money!

Unfortunately, it doesn't astound me that we get these newbies (less than 2 posts) appear each time this shit rears it's ugly head. You can tell straight off which 'camp' they support, and they try really hard to discredit others with infactual information.
I see Mr Watchman hasn't come back with any truth or fact.
It's easy to post stuff on here, unfortunately you don't have to tell the truth, and again unfortunately alot of the lies stick, as most independent individuals on KB have no clue about what is being said with the inuendos mentioned!!...

actually i dont totally support jim tuckerman either, minds not totally made up on that score and im not actually sure as a rider who only rides recreationally and is a club member but has no competition license that i could vote if i wanted to ,
see your making assumptions again
so if all is sweetness and light in sidecars, why is the association so keen not to have steve bron compete, in the interests of honesty,chris according to his profile gets on with every one???????
Kiwi biker is so interesting, where have you people been .
what has jim tuckerman achieved.
well a 200 000 k improvement in finances works for me .
introduced training for coaches and officials so we are all better protected under the law and up to date with methods ,cant be bad
retraining and introducing national standard for marshalls and stewards.also works for me .
got the industry back on side ,big plus
theres probably lots more that i dont know about,but one thing on his profile impressed. the bit about the office and board and others working as cohesive unit cant be bad for the members/rider

[wharfy]

Andrew, must be Alzeimers son,names pat , rack your brains your"l remember.

selective memory is at work here i see ,lots of conversations lots of places all filled with vitriol re Jim Tuckerman,
god the power he must weld to evoke such a response.
did i say it was mnz No i saidyou and chris took club out ofmnz rather than produce accounts.
will i see a true copy filed on the friendly societys web page as all mnz clubs were required to do ,point me at it for last few years,

actually is the association working within its constitution,
didnt actually know you werent on kiwi biker because i only just joined pissed off with all the lies being touted as facts in pits here and in AUSTRALIA.

CHECK WITH JIM MATE YOUR RECORDS LIKE MOST THINGS WRONG HE WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER.
am i shouting yes i am

At time you mention re going south Paul stewart had a lot to do with road racing wasnt he commissioner ,wouldnt be impinging his reputation mate ,most honest man in motorcycling,

heard you made a dick of yourself at agm , you can protest all you like mate sour grapes have been festering for a long time,
pleased you confirmed what most people already knew you and chris were acting as private promotors without a license.

I was at the AGM Andrew asked a number of questions - which is what the AGM is for isn't it ?

I also asked some - I was not convinced by the answers to any of mine or Andrews.

I didn't think either of us made "dicks" of ourselves.

Would you care to tell ME who you are ?

Kevin Waugh.

[watchman]

My question is not just about financial support - it's about support as a whole. How can the clubs run the meets profitable, what makes a good meet, how can we attract new members, what can be offered to assist in training the voluteers who help, how can we help clubs get a SOPS document together, do clubs need help with a marketing plan blah blah blah

Most of you already know me - but Leanne Thomas former AMCC member and current Vic Club member!

Pat here pretty billie
a lot of what you mention was i think covered at last agm.perhaps you could check with your club delegate,
certainly people i know ,am i required to list them in case anyone thinks they are invisible to ? came back buzzing,heaps of help offered, and seems to be same this year,last year judene from marlborough i think gave a brilliant one i hear on sponsership and obtaining it and looking outside the traditional square on sponsership,
theres been seminars for marshalls and stewards and im sure if you rang the office the ladies there could point you in direction of whats on offer.
why dont you ask the president re marketing plan and making an event,he operates an event company or his wife does.
in case the doubters panic i ran into them installing the bases{ie mall in Hamilton} christmas decorations last year,and thought the guy at the top of the scissor lift thing looked familar,asked a security guard who told me it was him.

[Tony.OK]

Who you voting for you rotten old cocksucker?

Personally, I'm in two minds. Jim seems to have done quite some good for the sport during his time in office, and Chris is obviously a top fucken bloke.

What I'd like to see is clear and concise battle plans from each of the nominees as to what they plan to acheive and how they'll go about it. Similar to any election campaign. Recently, it seems that people just vote for who they like best which is a bit weird.

I've got no idea mate.............these threads confuse me, from what I've seen over the last coupla years (in road racing) it has had improvements. Trouble is when ya start seeing badly written posts that go straight into moral attack mode, I for one get put right off the person that they're supposedly supporting........................................ ...........dunno, maybe its just me?

Gotta take an interest too cause I may just have somethin to do skids with soon:yes:

[scott411]

what has jim tuckerman achieved.
1. well a 200 000 k improvement in finances works for me .
have not seen the books, they are not out yet, will get back to you on that,

introduced training for coaches and officials so we are all better protected under the law and up to date with methods ,cant be bad

a few stewards courses that have been running on and off for years is not really a huge improvement, but its better than it has been for a while i think

retraining and introducing national standard for marshalls and stewards.also works for me .

mmm, not seen this new standard for marshalls, may have missed it tho

got the industry back on side ,big plus

are you sure on this? has the industry sponsorship increased since he was elected? there is one industry member that pulled all sponsorship from all MNZ championship meetings last year,

theres probably lots more that i dont know about,but one thing on his profile impressed. the bit about the office and board and others working as cohesive unit cant be bad for the members/rider

read the latest Dirtrider Down Under that comes out next week, to see how cohesive a large member club thinks the board and office working together are





as i said, i wanted dialogue, Jim came on here last time and answered questions, i thought it would be good to do it again, as Trash puts above, both guys have a heap of history in motorcycle racing, and i think it will be a close election

you have joined up, attacked one of the candidates, won't put your real name, and now you say you are not even a member of MNZ, so whos barrow are you pushing?

[watchman]

Funny that MNZ office wouldn't give us a 'licence' when we asked them years before, them rather saying it wasn't necessary!! As a member of a club, we have full power to promote an event any which way we deem fit. If you check rule no. 4.12 There will be no restriction on affiliated clubs promoting events. Yes we were an affiliated club, so no contest. Also, can you PLEASE show me the clause that states no private sponsor is to bankroll an event. (Even Leanne on here says most clubs are crippled in running an event)
That is the reason you wank on about why we wouldn't show JT the figures. Do you think Suzuki NZ would show JT their accounts for sponsoring the Tri-series or Wanganui?
Get real!!

tetchy tetchy tetchy,
sorry to disapoint you im not to best of my knowledge indulging in wanking anything at moment,
no where have i mentioned you wouldnt show jim tuckerman the fiqures , mnz is not one man .isaid you wouldnt produce them as all clubs are required to do ,this means seeing you are having such difficulty grasping concept filing them ,with friendly societies
you have to operate as a friendly society to belong to mnz .
now i know that you didnt show them to mnz, you learn something every day !!!!!!!
i also now know you were operating as a private promoter ,im sure the rules changed so what mnz said years ago has not been in place for recent years,so why didnt you just get a license to promote, what else we will learn is intriging ,

[scrivy]

actually i dont totally support jim tuckerman either, minds not totally made up on that score and im not actually sure as a rider who only rides recreationally and is a club member but has no competition license that i could vote if i wanted to ,
see your making assumptions again
Dude, I don't mean to be rude, but are you Bi-polar?? Where did I say you couldn't vote??

so if all is sweetness and light in sidecars, why is the association so keen not to have steve bron compete, in the interests of honesty,chris according to his profile gets on with every one???????
Dude, Bron resigned from the NZSRA, and doesn't want to race with us. You clear on that aspect??

Kiwi biker is so interesting, where have you people been .
You just said you only just joined..................... are you taking the piss????......

what has jim tuckerman achieved.
well a 200 000 k improvement in finances works for me .
introduced training for coaches and officials so we are all better protected under the law and up to date with methods ,cant be bad
retraining and introducing national standard for marshalls and stewards.also works for me .
got the industry back on side ,big plus
theres probably lots more that i dont know about,but one thing on his profile impressed. the bit about the office and board and others working as cohesive unit cant be bad for the members/rider

You can comment as you want. Whether or not others agree with you is another story.
I could say also that I've flown to the moon and also met aliens. Some people may just believe me too. :yes::shit:

Let's just wait until the finances come out to see if this $200k is real or just a saving from not having a CEO.
If it is real, I am disappointed that more wasn't spent on promoting/running the Nats. (And heck, I didn't even race the Nats)

[scrivy]

no where have i mentioned you wouldnt show jim tuckerman the fiqures , mnz is not one man .isaid you wouldnt produce them as all clubs are required to do ,this means seeing you are having such difficulty grasping concept filing them ,with friendly societies
you have to operate as a friendly society to belong to mnz .
now i know that you didnt show them to mnz, you learn something every day !!!!!!!
i also now know you were operating as a private promoter ,im sure the rules changed so what mnz said years ago has not been in place for recent years,so why didnt you just get a license to promote, what else we will learn is intriging ,

Pat, I'll say this S L O W.
Chris and I were members of an affiliated club to MNZ. As such, we can promote any event we run. The NZSRA took out the permit, and nearly all the NZSRA members helped out on the day. The NZSRA did not spend a cent on the event. so no records will show on the NZSRA books. C L E A R O N T H A T ??
Again, you do not follow up with facts. I ask you again now, what clause or rule mentions this is not possible?? Even JT couldn't elaborate on it, neither could a board member at the time.

The incorporated societies loves us too Pat. So no issues there.

Scrivy

[scrivy]

you have joined up, attacked one of the candidates, won't put your real name, and now you say you are not even a member of MNZ, so whos barrow are you pushing?

I'm sorry Scott if I ranted on here a wee bit, but I take offence when some 'unknown' comes on here and tries in vain to discredit me, my friends or fellow racers with lies and untruths.

[Kickaha]

still we all know all is not sweetness and light in the association itself.perhaps those chairs who did support the nationals might like to air their experiences.
I am an NZSRA member and did support the Nationals, I don't agree with the actions of those members who choose to support a meeting in Australia but they have the right to decide which meetings they will support in whichever country they choose even if it is to what I think is the detriment of the class in NZ

as an oldtimer i know Jim Tuckerman was an inaugural member of sidecars, certain lly very vocal in his support of them for years.
He has shown his support in very funny way over the last couple of years, totally misrepresenting the facts of the Timaru truck meeting and using them to try and force the Sidecars to do an extra Southern round over what they've traditionally done

Jim tuckerman obviously doesn't give in to bullies.
Funny that because he comes across as one himself

Actually, funny you say that, because he's no-where to be seen on a NZSRA founding members list.
Strangely enough I was just reading that the other day and didn't see his name anywhere


only a tough choice if you cant tell diffrence between some one who does more for sport than line his own pockets in the guise of doing it for a club , oh slap my hand am i being unkind hell no just honest
You must struggle to understand sarcasm, I don't call pretty much destroying a class being good for any sport at all

so if all is sweetness and light in sidecars, why is the association so keen not to have steve bron compete
I'm not so sure you could say the NZSRA as a whole is keen to not have him compete, although there are individual members that aren't and would rather see us all riding 25 year old shitters than moving with the times

Scrivy made the claim that 91% of NZSRA members wanted out of MNZ, he probably should have said that 91% of the members they bothered to ask did

[jellywrestler]

I could say also that I've flown to the moon and also met aliens
Hey Kerry Dukies done that already!

[scott411]

I'm sorry Scott if I ranted on here a wee bit, but I take offence when some 'unknown' comes on here and tries in vain to discredit me, my friends or fellow racers with lies and untruths.

you have no need to apolgise to me, you put your name to your posts, everyone is entitled to their opinion, i express mine much more than most people do,

and i would defend my mates as much as you have here as well,

[jellywrestler]

As for my nomination of Chris Lawrance for being MNZ President, he wants to see ALL facets of motorcycle sport in this country excel!
Okay Chris, given your involvement in last weekends Sidecar sojourn to Aussie, getting all the teams over there etc, which meant those Sidecars couldn't/wouldn't race/compete in the two North island rounds of the New Zealand Nationals what are your policies for this facet of the sport here in New Zealand to get the competitors back racing on the tracks, at MNZ meetings, when and if you are voted to be the big cheese at Motorcycling New Zealand????

Graeme 'Spyda' Staples
VD & Scars

[Kiwi Graham]

As trashy has said;

both candidates should publish/post their 'manifesto' as such. The let the masses decide :yes:

Oh err, think you all know me :innocent:

[White trash]

Oh err, think you all know me :innocent:

Holy shit!! Aren't you the national 1000cc Superstock champ???

[Kiwi Graham]

Holy shit!! Aren't you the national 1000cc Superstock champ???

The one and only buddy ;)

[Kickaha]

The one and only buddy ;)

Did they actually have 6 bikes so it could be considered a class?

[Kiwi Graham]

Did they actually have 6 bikes so it could be considered a class?

All on the track at one time errr...................no :facepalm:

[Wingnut]

very big statement to make from behind an Alias, man up and use a name will you, most of us that frequent here know the regulars,

for those that don't know me,

Scott Wilkins
President, Pukekohe Motorcycle Club,
supercross promotor (retired at this stage)
Grade 2 Steward,
MNZ Liceince holder since 1986


Mate these are not my words - This is a quote from Kickaha on the first page of this thread.

LOL! I don't even know who you guys are talking about. I mearly eat pop corn and follow the shit fest...

[sidecar bob]

only a tough choice if you cant tell diffrence between some one who does more for sport than line his own pockets in the guise of doing it for a club , oh slap my hand am i being unkind hell no just honest

Well Chris has never lined his own pocket in the guise of doing it for a club, so you must mean the other candidate.
Your head must be so far up your own arse if you think the TRRS ever made anyone any money.
Chris & Andy were out of pocket a huge amount after every event, & it was structured that way. Its called giving back.

[Biggles08]

got the industry back on side ,big plus



Ahem.....where was KAWASAKI as a sponsor this year Watchman :innocent:

[Wingnut]

Well Chris has never lined his own pocket in the guise of doing it for a club, so you must mean the other candidate.
Your head must be so far up your own arse if you think the TRRS ever made anyone any money.
Chris & Andy were out of pocket a huge amount after every event, & it was structured that way. Its called giving back.

WTF - Where in this thread did I write these words????

Originally posted by Wingnut, well hell I think my alter personality has taken over!:angry:

I'm off - this thread is going gay anyhow!

[sidecar bob]

WTF - Where in this thread did I write these words????

Originally posted by Wingnut, well hell I think my alter personality has taken over!:angry:

I'm off - this thread is going gay anyhow!

Ok, this is getting spooky, now my quote on your post looks like watchman wrote it. Im outta here!

[Kickaha]

Mate these are not my words - This is a quote from Kickaha on the first page of this thread.

LOL! I don't even know who you guys are talking about. I mearly eat pop corn and follow the shit fest...

What am I being blamed for now?




Ok, this is getting spooky, now my quote on your post looks like watchman wrote it. Im outta here!

Someone fucked up a quote somewhere and it's had a flow on effect

[Kevin G]

Hi.
I am a current MNZ board member and I have just seen the postings.....quite some emotion....
I cannot speak for Jim but he is one of the 5 that makes up the board and he only gets one vote the same as me.

Jim has a very broad experience in many areas and factions of motorcycling and business, together we are a pretty good team and the decisions made are for the betterment of motorcycling and MNZ. You have to remember the Commissioners run the sport and the board run the business of MNZ. The commission set up the sponsors and sup regs etc and the clubs run the events.

Re the $1 trail ride fee, our insurers see the injury rate and associated risk at these trail rides/races and charge accordingly, It is user pays I am afraid. this is the transparent way to do it rather than just increase licence fees or recoup the cost other ways.

MNZ has lots of members but remember Road racing is the minority, off road is 3/4 of the licence holders, lots of financial support was given out this year to riders competing overseas in all discipline's in fact probably more than ever has been granted in recent times (at least that I know of)

Also another thing to remember is that the role of President, the board members and sporting commissioners are unpaid and all put shitloads of time into this organisation only to be criticised by the masses or the uninformed which I guess goes with the territory but sometimes it can get a bit tiring!

Andy, I answered some of your questions at last years AGM and I believe I explained things fully, accurately and honestly at least to the best of my ability.

Happy to answer what I can, you are stuck with me for another term as no one else was nominated.....lucky me.

I write this as I sit in a hotel room in Wellington as I am here for a weekend of MNZ meetings, board and then commissioners. This after been away for two weeks running a race team in the nationals, its all about the bikes, just ask my wife and kids.


Kevin Goddard
SI On Road Board Member

[jellywrestler]

Hi.
I write this as I sit in a hotel room in Wellington as I am here for a weekend
Kevin Goddard

hey, which hotel room, I'll bring the dirty girls?

[scott411]

Re the $1 trail ride fee, our insurers see the injury rate and associated risk at these trail rides/races and charge accordingly, It is user pays I am afraid. this is the transparent way to do it rather than just increase licence fees or recoup the cost other ways.


first of all Kevin, thanks for coming on here and answering some questions, and thanks and congrats for standing again as a Board Member

i find it hard to believe that trail rides are considered more dangerous than street racing or supercross? as the injury count per rider or per event for these would be much higher, is it due to the fact that their are more trail rides, the fee for trail rides have always been double what a normal clubday event was. which i can understand as you do not need a competition liceince.

As a reference, i run 5 trail rides a year, last year the fees for the permits for these rides were $510, with this new regime the series fees from MNZ will be around $4500, do you not think that this will push more trail rides away from MNZ sanction?

I know the Permit fees had not increased for a long time, and a increase was more than overdue, but a 9 fold increase, for only one side of the sport seems over the top.

[Shaun]

I vote for Jim Tuckermen



ONLY because his wife likes me

[Shaun]

Question for Chris Lawrence



Chris, did you have any involvement in getting the chair teams to race in Australia recently?

[scrivy]

Question for Chris Lawrence
Chris, did you have any involvement in getting the chair teams to race in Australia recently?

Hi Shaun,

Chris doesn't frequent these pages here regularly. But I can tell you, yes he did have an involvement.
The NSW club invited classic/post classic bikes and modern sidecars to attend the event. This was an all expenses paid deal - kindly paid by the organising NSW club and their awesome sponsors. Thankyou again guys!!

Chris was at pains to ensure no sidecar teams would be invited to go that were doing the Nats. This was the determining factor that limited the chairs going to Aussie.
For your information, Adam was the first to put his name forward (as at that stage he wasn't doing the Nats), but when he got help to go down south, he then pulled out. His position was quickly filled by another non-nationals competing member.

So, even though 8 sidecar teams went to Aussie, none of those teams were going to do the Nats anyway.
When someone pays the expenses (quite significant too) of teams that put their hands up, it was a no brainer for those that wanted to go.

Hope this clears up how this trip was handled.

Scrivy

P.S. We've already been invited back again next year. But Chris is trying to ensure the dates do not clash with the Nats again. This year the track was already booked, so no compromise could be made. Next year the track has not been booked - so the organisers will have to take all factors into account.

[jellywrestler]

Hi Shaun,

Chris doesn't frequent these pages here regularly. But I can tell you

Chris is running for president of the MNZ I believe.
He's going to have a tough campaign if he doesn't bother to come onto Kiwi Biker and front up to some of the questions isn't he?
Hey Scrivy, you seem to be tied up with his campaign somewhere along the line....
Why don't you send him a text and tell him there's questions being asked so he can put his view across?

[sidecar bob]

I vote for Jim Tuckermen



ONLY because his wife likes me
And you wouldnt want to halve the number of people that like you.

[sidecar bob]

Chris is running for president of the MNZ I believe.
He's going to have a tough campaign if he doesn't bother to come onto Kiwi Biker and front up to some of the questions isn't he?
Hey Scrivy, you seem to be tied up with his campaign somewhere along the line....
Why don't you send him a text and tell him there's questions being asked so he can put his view across?

If Chris cant delagate jobs to people he can trust to free up his time for more important stuff, then he wouldnt make a very good president.
Id say his campaign already demonstrates a level of co operation & organisation rarely seen in racing circles.
Compare that to the one eyed, angry mis leading rants from Tucker. . . I mean Watchman.

[jellywrestler]

Id say his campaign already demonstrates a level of co operation & organisation rarely seen in racing circles.


So where do I find out details of Chris Lawrances Campaign and his contact details so we can ask him questions ourselves then?

[scott411]

So where do I find out details of Chris Lawrances Campaign then?

it was listed on the first page of this thread,

but here are the profiles of each from the MNZ site

http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=35622

[sidecar bob]

So where do I find out details of Chris Lawrances Campaign then?

Phn Andy, I believe you have his number.
This is probably the worst place to run a campaign from, so dont expect a huge presence from Chris & Andy on here.
I on the other hand, while mostly short on useful information, will usually be lurking around here to take the piss out of someone for my own amusment.

[lostinflyz]

all i see is scrivvy's speil. whats Chris's opinion and reaction to items or are we just voting for scrivy. hows he react to the hostility that hes bound to face, when everyones got a different opinion and u can't appease them all.

whats he offering outside not being Jim Tuckerman???

[jellywrestler]

Phn Andy, I believe you have his number.
This is probably the worst place to run a campaign from, so dont expect a huge presence from Chris & Andy on here.
I on the other hand, while mostly short on useful information, will usually be lurking around here to take the piss out of someone for my own amusment.
Most people can work out whether people are taking the piss or not on here. You've given us lots of training on this Bob!
You can't deny that this is one of the modern ways of communications available and will play a part in whether a candidate flies or dies.
I welcome Chris as nominee and wish him well and know that he has a team behind him too. But I still invite Chris himself to come on here and answer some questions too, as he has earlier in this thread.
Post 55 in this thread is one area I have a strong interest in and a question I have asked Chris himself to answer.
I look forward to Chris's response
Spyda

[The Chow]

The perilous state of Australian motorcycle racing revealed
By, Trevor Hedge

Those of you familiar with my mcnews.com.au musings over the past 12 years know that overwhelmingly this site has supported - and continues to promote - all facets of Australian motorcycle racing, bigger and better than any other web or print publication. This is an indisputable fact.

So it is with quite a heavy heart that I report on some matters covered in the most recent meeting of the Motorcycling Australia board, the governing body for motorcycle sport in this country. However, I am a motorcycle scribe so it is my duty to bring you the news without any undue favour or fear.

I came across the minutes from the Board of Directors meeting on the Motorcycling Australia website. Clearly, it is a matter of course for minutes such as these to be available on the MA website; they have an index page titled ‘MA Reports & Meeting Minutes’ for such correspondence and, although no entries have yet been made in that index for 2011, this document was still publicly available on the MA website. After conferring with some members of the industry and providing them with the link to the relevant document, the PDF containing the minutes was removed, obviously at their request.

There are many concerning items raised in the minutes, such as the current perilous state of the Australian SX Championship, including details that the promoter is severing ties with main drawcard Chad Reed and that the series promoter owes Motorcycling Australia a considerable amount of money.

Of further concern is that on further investigation myself I discovered that the Australian Securities & Investments Commission currently lists Super X Australasia PTY Ltd as ‘Under External Administration and/or Controller Appointed’. Dated March 25th, ASIC also report a ‘Notice of Creditor’s meeting to Consider Voluntary Winding’ and a ‘Notification of Resolution Winding Up The Company’. Clearly, the sport of Australian Supercross is in dire trouble.

The minutes state Motorcycling Australia’s budget deficit is currently $334,000 and the insurance arm of MA made a loss in 2010. This is a first and should be seen in the light of the GFC etc. as of little concern.

Issues with track usage clearly continue to be a matter of review. Currently, ASBK is unable to run events at Winton Motor Raceway or Eastern Creek as those circuits will not accept their bookings. I have reported before that most suspect this is most likely the result of some tactical bastardry on the part of the recently-formed Australian Road & Track Rider Promotions Pty Ltd, which runs the rival Formula Xtreme road race series and a separate race licensing program. Both circuits are in partnership with the rival series and thus, putting two-and-two together, it makes sense that they would play their hand strategically, preventing ASBK gaining access to these key markets.

The minutes of the MA board meeting note that MA Director David White is to write to the current Minister for Sport and Recreation in NSW, concerning access to Eastern Creek. Again, this is not ground breaking stuff as most involved in the sport know this state of affairs only too well, rather it is provided to the uninitiated as background to what follows next.

Stated in black and white in the MA Board minutes is the following admission; ‘D. White stated that Y. Konsky is meeting with John Tetley to try and prevent Formula Xtreme going to Queensland Raceway.’ (Yarrive Konsky is the promoter of the Australian Superbike Championship and John Tetley manages Queensland Raceway.)

Now, while we have all suspected that such shenanigans have long been played by the other side, they have been smart enough not to admit such tactics. I pressed Australian Road & Track Rider Promotions Pty Ltd Director, Terry O’Neill, on the matter of Eastern Creek and Winton Motor Raceways deliberately putting barriers in the way of ASBK in their quest to run events at those complexes in an interview I conducted last year, but my thrusts were skillfully parried by Mr O’Neill.

Other matters raised in the document also infer that the ASBK is struggling for funding and has asked Motorcycling Australia for more funding. In the current economic climate that would hardly come as a surprise to anyone.

I spoke with Yarrive Konsky, Director of IEG, the promoter of the ASBK Championship, and he assures me that the discussions he was having with MA in regards to funding were with a view to 2012 and beyond. He said that there is absolutely no threat to this year’s ASBK Championship and funding is secured to fulfill the complete 2011 calendar. Mr Konsky also swore that he has had no discussions with Queensland Raceway concerning Formula Xtreme, and that his discussions with Mr Tetley only concerned future ASBK events scheduled at Queensland Raceway.

The real clanger in this document, however, is the following: ‘D. White stated that industry representatives are stating that if IEG are not successful, there will be no option but to move over to Formula Xtreme.’

Honda and Suzuki are the primary supporters of the Australian Superbike Championship and at the moment it must be said that these two companies currently underwrite the series and are almost solely responsible for its survival, something that the MA Board minutes infer is in a particularly tenuous situation.

I spoke to Suzuki General Manager, Perry Morison, concerning the statement noted in the minutes and the long time Suzuki head honcho had absolutely no hesitation in labeling the statement contained in the MA document a complete misrepresentation of any discussions that he had undertaken with them. He also firmly stated that Suzuki Australia has absolutely no intention - or wish - to compete in the rival Formula Xtreme series.

I certainly believe Mr Morison's protestations that Suzuki has not indicated any desire to take his company’s racing efforts over to Formula Extreme. It is a position entirely consistent with every discussion I have ever had with him on the matter, thus his apparently being attributed as making a comment to the contrary in this MA document has the normally quite reserved Suzuki man none too pleased.

Honda Motorcycles General Manager Tony Hinton was perhaps not quite as dismissive of the option as his counterpart at Suzuki but still reinforced Honda’s support for the ASBK in the following statement.

“I have regular meetings in conjunction with Motorcycling Australia and other key industry representatives to discuss the state of various championships. At the World Superbike event in February, we took the opportunity to discuss the Australian Superbike Championship.

“From time to time, as industry representatives, we put our view forward of what we think is in the best interests of the championship. Whether it be a two-day meeting or one bike per rider, as per the British Superbikes, those ideas should be put on the table and considered.

“While we are fully committed to the Australian Superbike Series, Honda Australia does have contractual obligations to its supplier of road race services which is, of course, Motologic Pty. Ltd.

“If the Australian Road Racing Championship, for whatever reason, failed to run in some way, we acknowledge that contractually we would have no option but to move to an alternative race series

"We will address that situation only when and if the need arises.”

As I declared in my opening paragraph, it gives me absolutely no pleasure to report on the matters in this article, but it is my duty to report the news, even when some of that news is clearly unpalatable for any enthusiast that holds motorcycle racing dear to their heart. Make of it what you will.

-- Addendum. As we published Motorcycling Australia issued a statement that we were alerted to by an MA press officer, who referred us to their website where we retrieved the following: Motorcycling Australia (MA) CEO David White would like to release the following statement regarding the release of Board Minutes from the February 2011 MA Board Meeting:

...Starts

It has come to my attention that the minutes from the February MA Board Meeting were incorrectly placed on the MA website on Monday 28 March.

The minutes contain minimal notation of issues discussed at Board level, and are completed for internal use to formulate reports for general dissemination – this is normal operating procedure.

These minutes, though final, were not for general distribution and should not have been made publically available as they do not provide the necessary level of context and could potentially be wrongly interpreted – they have since been removed from the website.

MA is currently investigating how this occurred, and will undertake a review of its internal processes and procedures immediately to ensure formal structures are adhered to.

I would like to personally apologise to all parties affected, assuring them that the issue is of the upmost importance and MA is currently dealing with the situation.

The finalised February 2011 MA Board Report will be released shortly, and will be made available on the MA Website.

In light of the situation I would urge media to consider the context of the information when reporting.

I would encourage any affected parties to contact MA directly with their concerns so they can be addressed and once again I would like to apologise on behalf of MA.

[The Chow]

Personal issues aside , Jim is a mate , but I have to say sometimes he drops the ball. But other times he is good to have around. Remember you are MNZ and have always had a say , but you have to go the correct procedures to be heard. Chris I have no problems other than why would I vote for someone who has other people speak for him. By the way I'm not a MNZ member so makes no difference to me. I will work with anyone , no matter what the board make up is.

As for the sidecar issues , this is just BIG egos on both sides of that fence. To me it is a shame , but until they sort their own crap out , and not drag solos in to it then it is a no win for them I guess.

Everyone bitches about the nats. Well why is it then that this years nationals had more entries than previous years (apart from Round 4). 122 at Timaru , 114 at Teretonga , 140 at Christchurch , 106 at Manfeild. And the support races were down in numbers. Superbikes/Superlites/Prolites all up in numbers , 600SS/STK around the same , Pro Twin around the same and 125GP varied a bit more down south than up north (nothing new there) , so perhaps the changes have worked.

Who am I? I'm the guy that gave you live coverage from every round , plus Video and more , what was I paid? $2500 by Castrol directly not MNZ and this did not cover my costs.

[Tony.OK]

Who am I? I'm the guy that gave you live coverage from every round , plus Video and more , what was I paid? $2500 by Castrol directly not MNZ and this did not cover my costs.

And you did a bloody good job too.................thankyou for that, much appreciated!

[scrivy]

Guys, believe it or not, but KB is not the be all and end all of NZ motorcycle sport!

A few on here have said I'm speaking for Chris, but rather I'm just giving you the true FACTS on issues that certain people have raised. Why have they raised them? I believe to insinuate certain mis-truths about Chris's position on matters. I feel that is really sad coming from the same bunch of people I share the track with in our little niche sport.
Chris has been busy in the last few days, but will come on here to answer your questions when able to.

To the people on here regarding my posts speaking on behalf of Chris, why is it that a few are also commenting for Jim too, but you haven't tried to stitch them up?
Where are Jims comments also? No ones asked for him yet.


Scrivy

[gixerracer]

Guys, believe it or not, but KB is not the be all and end all of NZ motorcycle sport!


Wot you talkin about willis :gob:

[brads]

WTF - Where in this thread did I write these words????

Originally posted by Wingnut, well hell I think my alter personality has taken over!:angry:

I'm off - this thread is going gay anyhow!

Yeah thats right Geoff Jones(wingnut) of Oamaru.....stir up the shite and then run away....not like you have got anything else to do with your time.............................................. ...ps..hope the new member to the family doing ok:yes:

[Kevin G]

first of all Kevin, thanks for coming on here and answering some questions, and thanks and congrats for standing again as a Board Member

i find it hard to believe that trail rides are considered more dangerous than street racing or supercross? as the injury count per rider or per event for these would be much higher, is it due to the fact that their are more trail rides, the fee for trail rides have always been double what a normal clubday event was. which i can understand as you do not need a competition liceince.

As a reference, i run 5 trail rides a year, last year the fees for the permits for these rides were $510, with this new regime the series fees from MNZ will be around $4500, do you not think that this will push more trail rides away from MNZ sanction?

I know the Permit fees had not increased for a long time, and a increase was more than overdue, but a 9 fold increase, for only one side of the sport seems over the top.

Hi Scott.
The total insurance for public liability and competitor and officials insurance is near on $60,000 PA. The permit fees alone do not pay for this and it has a shortfall of around $18,000. The Insurers have stated they see the trail rides as the biggest risk of all the factions of our sport due to injury stats and the numbers that attend and the lack of clear guidelines and rules for trail rides. This is an area (rules and guidelines) been worked on and if the insurance situation changes then the levy fee can also be amended or removed.
Hope this helps clarify the levy.

Kevin Goddard

[Wingnut]

Yeah thats right Geoff Jones(wingnut) of Oamaru.....stir up the shite and then run away....not like you have got anything else to do with your time.............................................. ...ps..hope the new member to the family doing ok:yes:

LOL - I have been waiting for you to speak up....:facepalm:

Yea thanks mate - little girl is mint.

[jellywrestler]

I believe to insinuate certain mis-truths about Chris's position on matters.

Count me out on that little game. That's why I asked Chris a question and in due course you say Chris will come on here and answer. There' are too many second hand answers and hidden bits of info already.
As for Chris Lawrance; I have known him for well over twenty years and his old man for longer. There are few people with his level dedication to their sport.
Chris was the driving force that saw 19 sidecars, 38 competitors, on the grid at Timaru about four years ago at the nationals.
Ringing around and either getting bikes and teams back out there or encouraging people to sell their bikes to those who would use them, if they had lost their enthusiasm.
I was proud to be commentating when he took his first national points win just two seasons ago, proud to follow his sojourn to the Isle of Man, to race and to live there, to satiate a life-long dream.
I was also proud to watch him race with just 14% of kidney function left intact, at the tri series 2 series ago.
The MNZ presidency is a huge job. I've no doubt Chris and his team will apply themselves we just need to know that he's got the right angle on it all.
Let's see his agenda and stop promoting him via slagging off other candidates, after all it is a sport.
Christ there's going to be enough of that later this year when the governments up for re-election.

[The Chow]

Personal issues aside , Jim is a mate , but I have to say sometimes he drops the ball. But other times he is good to have around. Remember you are MNZ and have always had a say , but you have to go the correct procedures to be heard. Chris I have no problems other than why would I vote for someone who has other people speak for him. By the way I'm not a MNZ member so makes no difference to me. I will work with anyone , no matter what the board make up is.

As for the sidecar issues , this is just BIG egos on both sides of that fence. To me it is a shame , but until they sort their own crap out , and not drag solos in to it then it is a no win for them I guess.

Everyone bitches about the nats. Well why is it then that this years nationals had more entries than previous years (apart from Round 4). 122 at Timaru , 114 at Teretonga , 140 at Christchurch , 106 at Manfeild. And the support races were down in numbers. Superbikes/Superlites/Prolites all up in numbers , 600SS/STK around the same , Pro Twin around the same and 125GP varied a bit more down south than up north (nothing new there) , so perhaps the changes have worked.

Who am I? I'm the guy that gave you live coverage from every round , plus Video and more , what was I paid? $2500 by Castrol directly not MNZ and this did not cover my costs.

Oh and by the way I will be back next year as well.

[The Chow]

Count me out on that little game. That's why I asked Chris a question and in due course you say Chris will come on here and answer. There' are too many second hand answers and hidden bits of info already.
As for Chris Lawrance; I have known him for well over twenty years and his old man for longer. There are few people his level dedication to their sport.
Chris was the driving force that saw 19 sidecars, 38 competitors, on the grid at Timaru about four years ago at the nationals.
Ringing around and either getting bikes and teams back out there or encouraging people to sell their bikes to those who would use them, if they had lost their enthusiasm.
I was proud to be commentating when he took his first national points win just two seasons ago, proud to follow his sojourn to the Isle of Man, to race and to live there, to satiate a life-long dream.
I was also proud to watch him race with just 14% of kidney function left intact, at the tri series 2 series ago.
The MNZ presidency is a huge job. I've no doubt Chris and his team will apply themselves we just need to know that he's got the right angle on it all.
Let's see his agenda and stop promoting him via slagging off other candidates, after all it is a sport.
Christ there's going to be enough of that later this year when the governments up for re-election.

Mate can only agree , I have known Frank(Dad) for longer than Chris and have no bitch with anyone who wishes to stand. By the way Spyda thanks for your help this year.

Ian

[White trash]

By the way Spyda thanks for your help this year.

Ian

Shame no one threw Spyder's hat in the ring for him as nomination for president this term. Imagine the fricken hilarity that would ensue then........ :facepalm:

[budda]

Mate can only agree , I have known Frank(Dad) for longer than Chris and have no bitch with anyone who wishes to stand.
Ian

Mate - not very fair to bring the Dad in .... MY kids are NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Chow]

Mate - not very fair to bring the Dad in .... MY kids are NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

:facepalm::scooter:

[The Chow]

:facepalm::scooter:

Hey maybe we need a video debate , chaired by Spyda:blink: Could record and put on You TUBE

[The Chow]

Hey maybe we need a video debate , chaired by Spyda:blink: Could record and put on You TUBE

second thoughts might need to be censored
:facepalm:

[jellywrestler]

Shame no one threw Spyder's ring in the hat for him as nomination for president this term. Imagine the fricken hilarity that would ensue then........ :facepalm:

fixed that for ya.
I was asked years ago to put if i wanted my name put forward. Thanks but no thanks, I have an strong interest and views on some of the sport, others i have no time for and therefore couldn't do a balanced job across the board.

[White trash]

fixed that for ya.
I was asked years ago to put if i wanted my name put forward. Thanks but no thanks, I have an strong interest and views on some of the sport, others i have no time for and therefore couldn't do a balanced job across the board.

That's very mature of you mate. What've ya done with Spyda?

[budda]

fixed that for ya.
I was asked years ago to put if i wanted my name put forward. Thanks but no thanks, I have an strong interest and views on some of the sport, others i have no time for and therefore couldn't do a balanced job across the board.

Never heard anyone accuse you of being "balanced" before Spyda - certain amount of unhingedness is a prerequisite for any unpaid voluntary position within MNZ

[jellywrestler]

Never heard anyone accuse you of being "balanced" before Spyda
have been told I'm balanced, with a chip on both shoulder's...

[watchman]

If Chris cant delagate jobs to people he can trust to free up his time for more important stuff, then he wouldnt make a very good president.
Id say his campaign already demonstrates a level of co operation & organisation rarely seen in racing circles.
Compare that to the one eyed, angry mis leading rants from Tucker. . . I mean Watchman.

Unlike some people who appear glued to this forum i have a life.
otherwise would have replied sooner.
unless there is any other way of taking the above i would say sidecar bob has publically stated Mr Tuckerman. the opponent of his preferred candidate is misrepresenting himself as me!!!!!!!
to do so is to impinge the professional {dont you love the impinge word had to look that up } and personal reputation of the President of MNZ.
I can categorically state ,i am not nor to the best of my knowledge have ever been Jim Tuckerman.either in this or any prievious life, and im fairly sure the above inference that i am stated in a public forum implies Mr Tuckerman is dishonest to do so.
To me this sums up the level that Chris Lawrences campaign helpers will sink to .
i unreservedly apologise to Jim Tuckerman if any thing i have said has given rise to this idea that he is me or i him .
i would expect the gentleman who stated this to make his own public apology .

[watchman]

Ahem.....where was KAWASAKI as a sponsor this year Watchman :innocent:

this would be a question for the road race commission, probably a question of money, i would just like to state for anyone who hasnt read my last post .
in order to clear up a particularly nasty and definitely malicious post by sidecar bob in which he inferred i was said President i am not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sidecar bob]

Unlike some people who appear glued to this forum i have a life.
otherwise would have replied sooner.
unless there is any other way of taking the above i would say sidecar bob has publically stated Mr Tuckerman. the opponent of his preferred candidate is misrepresenting himself as me!!!!!!!
to do so is to impinge the professional {dont you love the impinge word had to look that up } and personal reputation of the President of MNZ.
I can categorically state ,i am not nor to the best of my knowledge have ever been Jim Tuckerman.either in this or any prievious life, and im fairly sure the above inference that i am stated in a public forum implies Mr Tuckerman is dishonest to do so.
To me this sums up the level that Chris Lawrences campaign helpers will sink to .
i unreservedly apologise to Jim Tuckerman if any thing i have said has given rise to this idea that he is me or i him .
i would expect the gentleman who stated this to make his own public apology .
Re read my post, i didnt call you Mr Tuckerman, but unless you identify yourself, we will have to assume you lack a spine, & along with it any credibility.
I assume all users of this forum know who I am, & for those that dont, im Steve, or as the sidecar guys sometimes call me, Bob, Swinger for Scrivy & man servant of the lovley Tracey, rider of pink sidecar #28.
Oh, and can you explain why youre so angry with Chris please? You just seem to be angry ranty guy with no real reason.
If you care to explain, we may be prepared to embrace your point of view a little more readily.

[racer40]

Chris here to answer some of your questions.
Biggles, I do believe the Nationals need a revamp as the grids are poor at the moment, even though Ian has said they have grown a bit this season I still believe they are poor and there is still a recession on in this country and I just cant see next season being much different to this if we keep them the same.
I would like to get a pro active group together, not just top teams, and come up with a plan within a month after conference with what is going to happen next season so everyone has plenty of time to organise themselves.
As always I go with the majority vote, not just make the decisions myself.
I understand MX also has a problem with entries at Senior Nationals so we may have to try something there as well.

[sidecar bob]

in order to clear up a particularly nasty and definitely malicious post by sidecar bob in which he inferred i was said President i am not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes, so definitely malicious.
Get over yourself ya dork.
Although, I would be pretty miffed if someone had called me that.

[racer40]

To Spyda,
I was not the organiser of the Aussie trip. The NZPCR and NZCRR were. They contacted me to see if any sidecars would like to go with them. I said I would ask around. I talked to the NZSRA president, Burt first to see what he thought. He said he wanted to go so we asked others who had told us they were'nt doing any rounds of the Nationals so we were not seen to be taking teams away from doing them. We even had a team that was doing the Nationals contact us disappointed that they not asked to come. One team who was coming to Aussie pulled out so he could do the Nationals and other crew took his place.
Sidecars did race at MNZ events, ie Tri Series, Road Race Spectacular, Paeroa, one Auckland Club Round and a couple of Vic series events. As for them racing at the Nationals some did and some dont want to in the format it is at present. I dont tell them what they can and cant do.
I have been contacted by the Aussie organiser and the date they have given me for next year does clash with an NZ meeting so have asked Aussie to change it if they can. We are also trying to bring the Aussies here this year, and for the costs involved would like to see more Trans Tasman competition in the future in all areas of motorcycle sport to give riders the opportunity of racing overseas , and just ask anyone who has raced overseas, they love it.
Chris

[watchman]

Re read my post, i didnt call you Mr Tuckerman, but unless you identify yourself, we will have to assume you lack a spine, & along with it any credibility.
I assume all users of this forum know who I am, & for those that dont, im Steve, or as the sidecar guys sometimes call me, Bob, Swinger for Scrivy & man servant of the lovley Tracey, rider of pink sidecar #28.
Oh, and can you explain why youre so angry with Chris please? You just seem to be angry ranty guy with no real reason.
If you care to explain, we may be prepared to embrace your point of view a little more readily.
really you didnt infer that i was jim tuckerman?
icompare that to the one eyed angry misleading rants from Tucker... i mean watchman.
its fairly obvious to any one you were inferring watchman was tuckerman, am i angry with chris , no im not just extremely disappointed in his actions , i would advise him to read kevins post explaining how decisions are made at mnz before making his i wouldnt make decisions myself quote, As real life intrudes here off on a trail ride

[steveyb]

Actually, he did not infer anything, you did.
He implied, you inferred.

Mighty entertaining at any rate......

As you were.

[sidecar bob]

really you didnt infer that i was jim tuckerman?
icompare that to the one eyed angry misleading rants from Tucker... i mean watchman.
its fairly obvious to any one you were inferring watchman was tuckerman, am i angry with chris , no im not just extremely disappointed in his actions , i would advise him to read kevins post explaining how decisions are made at mnz before making his i wouldnt make decisions myself quote, As real life intrudes here off on a trail ride
I implied you were Tucker Man!! Not Tuckerman.
Could you elaborate upon which of Chris's actions you are disappointed with please.
As far as i can tell, he has facilitated a lot of good value racing & appears to be far more concerned with the welfare of people at large, rather than his own interests.
My association with Chris began in 1987 & during All the following years, he has given me no reason to believe otherwise.
What has you association with Chris been & have you ever met him, or just heard stories from others?

[scrivy]

am i angry with chris , no im not just extremely disappointed in his actions

Explain yourself pat, so we're all on the same page.

[Kickaha]

whats he offering outside not being Jim Tuckerman???

You mean that isn't enough? bugger I might have to re evaluate my vote


I feel that is really sad coming from the same bunch of people I share the track with in our little niche sport.

Where did you share the track with them? In Australia?



I assume all users of this forum know who I am, & for those that dont, im Steve, or as the sidecar guys affectionately sometimes call me, Bob, Swinger for Scrivy & man servant of the lovley Tracey, rider of pink sidecar #28..

manwhore for Tracey more like

[scrivy]

Where did you share the track with them? In Australia?


Well we can't share the track with you, 'cause we'd be waiting 30 seconds for you to come around to the same piece of it as us......:shutup: :dodge:

[wharfy]

really you didnt infer that i was jim tuckerman?
icompare that to the one eyed angry misleading rants from Tucker... i mean watchman.
its fairly obvious to any one you were inferring watchman was tuckerman, am i angry with chris , no im not just extremely disappointed in his actions , i would advise him to read kevins post explaining how decisions are made at mnz before making his i wouldnt make decisions myself quote, As real life intrudes here off on a trail ride

I still have no clue who you are, or what your involvement with Motor Cycling in NZ is.

[jasonu]

this would be a question for the road race commission, probably a question of money, i would just like to state for anyone who hasnt read my last post .
in order to clear up a particularly nasty and definitely malicious post by sidecar bob in which he inferred i was said President i am not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then why don't you either post your name or go away.

[jellywrestler]

Chris here to answer some of your questions.
I do believe the Nationals need a revamp as the grids are poor at the moment...
hey chris,
good to see ya here an answering.
What is YOUR view on a format for the Road racing nationals then?

[The Chow]

Chris here to answer some of your questions.
Biggles, I do believe the Nationals need a revamp as the grids are poor at the moment, even though Ian has said they have grown a bit this season I still believe they are poor and there is still a recession on in this country and I just cant see next season being much different to this if we keep them the same.
I would like to get a pro active group together, not just top teams, and come up with a plan within a month after conference with what is going to happen next season so everyone has plenty of time to organise themselves.
As always I go with the majority vote, not just make the decisions myself.
I understand MX also has a problem with entries at Senior Nationals so we may have to try something there as well.

Hi Chris , in what way do you see what is needed to revamp. Taking in to account that remember it is a national series (not a north island or south island) or 1 or 2 race meeting series. What would you do? We have an increase in entry numbers which is a Fact. We have live coverage now (the last two rounds) we had live our own video ,Audio , Timing , that is a fact also which has seen increase in viewer numbers and people attending, even Teretonga had attendance increase this year and it was half a meeting. In other words we are on the up , yes we would all like to see more , but this is the national series and the quality vs quantity argument weighs in its favor and money is tight yes , no doubt there. Many people think it is so easy to get things aligned , I can tell you that from experince this year trying to get five organisers to agree on anything is bloody hard.

As for Kawasaki not being a Sponsor -ask them.

Cheers
Ian

[scott411]

this would be a question for the road race commission,


they pulled the money form the MX Champs as well, so you better ask the MX Commisioner as well,

[The Chow]

Hi Chris , in what way do you see what is needed to revamp. Taking in to account that remember it is a national series (not a north island or south island) or 1 or 2 race meeting series. What would you do? We have an increase in entry numbers which is a Fact. We have live coverage now (the last two rounds) we had live our own video ,Audio , Timing , that is a fact also which has seen increase in viewer numbers and people attending, even Teretonga had attendance increase this year and it was half a meeting. In other words we are on the up , yes we would all like to see more , but this is the national series and the quality vs quantity argument weighs in its favor and money is tight yes , no doubt there. Many people think it is so easy to get things aligned , I can tell you that from experince this year trying to get five organisers to agree on anything is bloody hard.

As for Kawasaki not being a Sponsor -ask them.

Cheers
Ian

Just like Regarding add value for money for riders. The series gives all classes three races except Supers and 600. If I'm correct other series don't do this, Tri Series didn't , Winter series doesn't.

The sidecars said they didn't want to do all rounds , well last time I looked no one was forcing anyone to do all the rounds. That goes for Solos as well. Not everyone can afforded all the rounds , thats just the way it is and always has been. The organisers put the event on it is up to you whether you compete at it.

Cheers again
Ian

[Biggles08]

As for Kawasaki not being a Sponsor -ask them.
Cheers
Ian

It was nothing to do with money in my understanding...more to do with lack of appreciation.

[The Chow]

It was nothing to do with money in my understanding...more to do with lack of appreciation.

Hi Marcus

Explain why the other distributors stayed on board , if they didn't think it was worth it.Being the smallest of the distributors wouldn't help either in these tough times , I mean Suzuki owned by Japan , Yamaha owned by Australia which is owned by Japan , Honda which is owned by the corporation of one on the richest families in New Zealand. Kawasaki still privately owned and I guess funded.

What ever the reason all the series sponsors have been and are respected and valued , and always have been and that includes Kawasaki. Castrol are no longer the naming rights sponsor , purely and simple the contract was up.

[budda]

this would be a question for the road race commission,

Sorry Watchman, THIS Commissioner will NOT be commenting on commercially confidential matters between MNZ and a valued Sponsor, albeit not a current one. Kawasaki has long been a supporter of the Sport of Motorcycle Racing in New Zealand, as have the other Big Players Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda and latterly BMW ....... these are the guys who somehow owe us all something because we chose to ride a MotorCycle. Reality is, their support is multi-levelled and often hidden from the general riding public ...... they need thanked, not a "please explain".

[Paul Searancke]

first of all Kevin, thanks for coming on here and answering some questions, and thanks and congrats for standing again as a Board Member

i find it hard to believe that trail rides are considered more dangerous than street racing or supercross? as the injury count per rider or per event for these would be much higher, is it due to the fact that their are more trail rides, the fee for trail rides have always been double what a normal clubday event was. which i can understand as you do not need a competition liceince.

As a reference, i run 5 trail rides a year, last year the fees for the permits for these rides were $510, with this new regime the series fees from MNZ will be around $4500, do you not think that this will push more trail rides away from MNZ sanction?

I know the Permit fees had not increased for a long time, and a increase was more than overdue, but a 9 fold increase, for only one side of the sport seems over the top.

Hi Scott,
There is a Board and Commissioner meeting tomorrow(Sunday 10th). As you know I agree with your sentiments.The South Island Road Board member has chosen to respond before this meeting. Our(MNZ) accidents figures for trail rides are extremely low in fact. The only discipline lower per rider numbers is Moto-Trials. The highest accident figures (requiring further treatment) are for road racing and SX. Tomorrow I will also be requesting a copy of the Board minutes where this was voted in.
Paul Searancke

[Shaun]

Hi Shaun,

Chris doesn't frequent these pages here regularly. But I can tell you, yes he did have an involvement.
The NSW club invited classic/post classic bikes and modern sidecars to attend the event. This was an all expenses paid deal - kindly paid by the organising NSW club and their awesome sponsors. Thankyou again guys!!

Chris was at pains to ensure no sidecar teams would be invited to go that were doing the Nats. This was the determining factor that limited the chairs going to Aussie.
For your information, Adam was the first to put his name forward (as at that stage he wasn't doing the Nats), but when he got help to go down south, he then pulled out. His position was quickly filled by another non-nationals competing member.

So, even though 8 sidecar teams went to Aussie, none of those teams were going to do the Nats anyway.
When someone pays the expenses (quite significant too) of teams that put their hands up, it was a no brainer for those that wanted to go.

Hope this clears up how this trip was handled.

Scrivy

P.S. We've already been invited back again next year. But Chris is trying to ensure the dates do not clash with the Nats again. This year the track was already booked, so no compromise could be made. Next year the track has not been booked - so the organisers will have to take all factors into account.

Thanks for your reply to this question.

Whilst I respect Chris as a man, his actions as you have stated above does not do him a lot of favours in terms of what he can do for MOTORCYCLING IN NEW ZEALAND!

Again, respect to him for trying not to take any potentuall racers off the grid for the NEW ZEALAND Champs, but WHAT did he actually do to TRY AND GET CHAIRS on the grid for the NEW ZEALAND champs?

If A FUN/FREE trip to Australia is more important than helping tp keep alive or grow the sport here in NEW ZEALAND in it;s darkest hour for CHAIRS, I for one am not sure he is divorced enough from certain parties to be in the position he his running for.

PS, it would be fantastic if this thread can be treated as "SERIOUS" and WE all try to keep our personell shit and insults of other posters to our selves, some are NO NAMES to many of us, but some of US are well known, so lets tey and lead by example eh, happy days.

PS CHOW, Bloody good work man:yes:

[scrivy]

Hi Shaun,

Read Chris's post # 106.
He did not initiate or instigate the trip. He was merely the go between person for all the chairs that went and the Classic guys.
If I had been approached, I would have organised it. If Bert had been approached, he would have done it, or even Tracey for that matter.

To answer the rest of your question, Chris, me, Bert, Bob, Des, Jim, Tracey etc. etc. can not make anybody do the Nats. It is their decision to do so if they wish, not Chris's, so why make out he can change that?? People chose not to do the Nats. Chris could have paid people to do them also, but would they still have done them?? I doubt it.

You say Sidecars are in it's darkest hours, how do you comment on that Shaun without any communication from NZSRA members???. I find that statement a tad wrong. We have growing numbers, and plenty of events to race at, also 'Have-a-go days', and a growing NZSRA members list. Who keeps saying we're in the doldrums?? We are far from it. Alot of people on here say that too, but not a single NZSRA member has. Funny that.

Don't worry about our class Shaun, maybe it's the other classes that need bolstering. Tell me why many of the VMCC, AMCC and PMCC riders don't do the Nats. There is the real problem. All class numbers are down, so why just pick on us?


Scrivy

[Shaun]

Hi Shaun,

Read Chris's post # 106.
He did not initiate or instigate the trip. He was merely the go between person for all the chairs that went and the Classic guys.
If I had been approached, I would have organised it. If Bert had been approached, he would have done it, or even Tracey for that matter.

To answer the rest of your question, Chris, me, Bert, Bob, Des, Jim, Tracey etc. etc. can not make anybody do the Nats. It is their decision to do so if they wish, not Chris's, so why make out he can change that?? People chose not to do the Nats. Chris could have paid people to do them also, but would they still have done them?? I doubt it.

You say Sidecars are in it's darkest hours, how do you comment on that Shaun without any communication from NZSRA members???. I find that statement a tad wrong. We have growing numbers, and plenty of events to race at, also 'Have-a-go days', and a growing NZSRA members list. Who keeps saying we're in the doldrums?? We are far from it. Alot of people on here say that too, but not a single NZSRA member has. Funny that.

Don't worry about our class Shaun, maybe it's the other classes that need bolstering. Tell me why many of the VMCC, AMCC and PMCC riders don't do the Nats. There is the real problem. All class numbers are down, so why just pick on us?...


According to one of CHOWS POSTS, All other classes had more entries than last year in the NEW ZEALAND CHAMPS Mate EXEPT for Chairs that only did a couple of rounds, PLEASE explain how this makes the Chairs scene ok and the bikes NOT ok?

I know the chairs have CLASSICS, so do 2 wheel bikes, but the grids are still there for a full NZ Championship to be held!!! and as you have posted, the VMCC and the amcc and Canterbury have great entries for there club scene rounds bringing on more new riders and teams, and this has no negative efffect on the NZ Champs in terms of entries to the Nationals, so I do not really see your point.

CORRECT, I do not have direct info from your NZSRA group, so perhaps as you clearly do, you can tell us all what the plans are to make the class a FULL NZ Championship scene again, or is this the end of the road for chairs in the NZ Championship scene? You know I have direct passion interest in the chairs as that was there where I started my racing and loved it

[The Chow]

Hi Shaun,

Read Chris's post # 106.
He did not initiate or instigate the trip. He was merely the go between person for all the chairs that went and the Classic guys.
If I had been approached, I would have organised it. If Bert had been approached, he would have done it, or even Tracey for that matter.

To answer the rest of your question, Chris, me, Bert, Bob, Des, Jim, Tracey etc. etc. can not make anybody do the Nats. It is their decision to do so if they wish, not Chris's, so why make out he can change that?? People chose not to do the Nats. Chris could have paid people to do them also, but would they still have done them?? I doubt it.

You say Sidecars are in it's darkest hours, how do you comment on that Shaun without any communication from NZSRA members???. I find that statement a tad wrong. We have growing numbers, and plenty of events to race at, also 'Have-a-go days', and a growing NZSRA members list. Who keeps saying we're in the doldrums?? We are far from it. Alot of people on here say that too, but not a single NZSRA member has. Funny that.

Don't worry about our class Shaun, maybe it's the other classes that need bolstering. Tell me why many of the VMCC, AMCC and PMCC riders don't do the Nats. There is the real problem. All class numbers are down, so why just pick on us?


Scrivy

Sorry mate , you are wrong about class sizes. Nationals count this year. Superlite formerly F3 2010 (8) this year 16. Superbikes (2010 10-12) , This year around 15 and the quality of rider was tops top 9-10 all within a second of one another , again some of the best racing . 600s 2010(15-17) 18 Bikes (split this year due to new rules) about 50% Superstock 50% Supersport. The racing again from the whole feild was impressive. The prolite 250 was up thanks in no small way to Graeme Billington. The Protwin didn't grow from 2010 , as there are no new bikes , but still a good affordable class. 125GP just doing its normal up and down numbers like has been doing for years. Sidecars 6 , 5 , 4...... ?????

Off course numbers varied across the meetings but as stated earlier all rounds go an increase in numbers , with the exception of Round 4.

Cheers

[CHOPPA]

Id be interested to know if we can get rules and regs for 2012 and some national dates now so we can do some planning?

[Kickaha]

You say Sidecars are in it's darkest hours, how do you comment on that Shaun without any communication from NZSRA members???. I find that statement a tad wrong. We have growing numbers

Care to put those growing numbers up Scrivy, 6 outfits at Vic club rounds and people having to ring around to even get them and not on the program this year due to the poor turn out , 9 I think it was at Tri Series and some suggestion they won't be on the program this year due to poor numbers (waiting to hear about that)

Only enough Outfits to do two rounds of the National champs this year which may mean we don't have a National Championship next year, fuck yeah things are really looking up


Id be interested to know if we can get rules and regs for 2012 and some national dates now so we can do some planning?
Don't like your chances, I don't think we've ever had race dates earlier than September due to the tracks not allowing MNZ to hire them this far out

[The Chow]

According to one of CHOWS POSTS, All other classes had more entries than last year in the NEW ZEALAND CHAMPS Mate EXEPT for Chairs that only did a couple of rounds, PLEASE explain how this makes the Chairs scene ok and the bikes NOT ok?

I know the chairs have CLASSICS, so do 2 wheel bikes, but the grids are still there for a full NZ Championship to be held!!! and as you have posted, the VMCC and the amcc and Canterbury have great entries for there club scene rounds bringing on more new riders and teams, and this has no negative efffect on the NZ Champs in terms of entries to the Nationals, so I do not really see your point.

CORRECT, I do not have direct info from your NZSRA group, so perhaps as you clearly do, you can tell us all what the plans are to make the class a FULL NZ Championship scene again, or is this the end of the road for chairs in the NZ Championship scene? You know I have direct passion interest in the chairs as that was there where I started my racing and loved it

Club Racing is just that , club racing. You have to have something to aspire to don't you? Oh thats right we live in a every body is equal world now. The clubs do a great job getting people into the sport , some people want to take it further but others don't as always been the case. Please don't compare the nationals with the Tri Series (not that anyone has here), the relationship between the two main series in this country is strong , so strong in fact that they helped run the last round , and a big thanks to Leighton and Perry for doing this and helping Debbi and the Manawatu Orion Club. In fact we are planning to do the same "LIVE" style coverage for the Tri Series as it was so popular and to give the series sponsor more coverage.

While we are on the subject of numbers. Take a look across the ditch , the numbers are way down in Aussie , so much so there had to be a special rule bought in for the Tassie round to allow such a small number (13 I think) superbikes to race. Cripes we had that number in little New Zealand!!!!

[Biggles08]

What ever the reason all the series sponsors have been and are respected and valued , and always have been and that includes Kawasaki.

A brief explanation I would imagine goes along the lines of, the other manufacturers did not win the 600cc championship in 2009/2010 season and did not have to deal with a ridiculous demonstration of a 'prize giving' and be asked to sit down and shut up when wanting to thank those that helped in gaining that championship. Everyone agreed that the results of who won at this time was not in debate.

Anyway, this is all presumptuous on my part and based merely on observations I made at this time. Had I been the sponsor and was treated like this I too would not sponsor the next season due to feeling unappreciated. I'm not trying to make a big deal of it I just had to say something as watchman said inaccurately that the Industry was back on side with MNZ and all was flowers and cupcakes.

[Shaun]

A brief explanation I would imagine goes along the lines of, the other manufacturers did not win the 600cc championship in 2009/2010 season and did not have to deal with a ridiculous demonstration of a 'prize giving' and be asked to sit down and shut up when wanting to thank those that helped in gaining that championship. Everyone agreed that the results of who won at this time was not in debate.

Anyway, this is all presumptuous on my part and based merely on observations I made at this time. Had I been the sponsor and was treated like this I too would not sponsor the next season due to feeling unappreciated. I'm not trying to make a big deal of it I just had to say something as watchman said inaccurately that the Industry was back on side with MNZ and all was flowers and cupcakes.



Hey Marcus, it is a shame that MIke fealt this way, but it also is rather pathetic and NOT very proffesional of him to pull out if what you say is correct.

He has money in his pocket as CUSTOMERS purchase his product, perhaps a little bit of support to the sport be it road or dirt, might actually earn him some more dollars

[The Chow]

A brief explanation I would imagine goes along the lines of, the other manufacturers did not win the 600cc championship in 2009/2010 season and did not have to deal with a ridiculous demonstration of a 'prize giving' and be asked to sit down and shut up when wanting to thank those that helped in gaining that championship. Everyone agreed that the results of who won at this time was not in debate.

Anyway, this is all presumptuous on my part and based merely on observations I made at this time. Had I been the sponsor and was treated like this I too would not sponsor the next season due to feeling unappreciated. I'm not trying to make a big deal of it I just had to say something as watchman said inaccurately that the Industry was back on side with MNZ and all was flowers and cupcakes.

Fair call there mate , that prizegiving was an abortion as I understand it,as I was not present that year at that round.

Please be assured that yes I would have been pissed off too , but then there are always two sides to the story. As in my case I have known Mike Wilkins for over 25 years and have had dealings with him and worked with him for many years, however Mike has a manner that can sometimes rub people up the wrong way , Just like Jim Tuckerman. Both are passionate people and there will always be clashes. But both are very clever people and been successful in many activities, for that I have up most respect for them. Kawasaki has been a large contributor to the sport for many years , and with any luck will again , be it in rider support or what ever.

However everything aside we are all in the motorcycle world together and will get no where pushing and pulling against one another , but motorcyclists have never been normal , they never like being told what to do.

[jellywrestler]

cupcakes.




MMMMMMMMMMM cupcakes...

[sidecar bob]

Care to put those growing numbers up Scrivy, 6 outfits at Vic club rounds and people having to ring around to even get them and not on the program this year due to the poor turn out , 9 I think it was at Tri Series and some suggestion they won't be on the program this year due to poor numbers (waiting to hear about that)

Only enough Outfits to do two rounds of the National champs this year which may mean we don't have a National Championship next year, fuck yeah things are really looking up


Don't like your chances, I don't think we've ever had race dates earlier than September due to the tracks not allowing MNZ to hire them this far out

There seems to be a serious lapse in peoples memorys as to why its all turned to crap in the last couple of years for chairs & people seem to be pointing the finger at Chris Lawrence, which has got me stumped.
My memory of it is great because I lost over a grand in the process, let me give my recollections of the situation.
An overwhelming majority vote from the NZSRA (then an affiliated club of MNZ) voted in favour of doing two national rounds in the south Isl as had been the norm for many years.
Consequently tickets were purchased for air travel to & from, then for some reason, a senior member of MNZ stood up & said, three rounds down south for sidecars, or you dont qualify for a national championship, completely ignoring the wishes of the majority vote.
Being unable to comit to three rounds down south, along with a number of other teams, we pulled out, (losing our airfares & all) which made doing any other rounds a bit of a mute point because missing rounds, well, i hardly need to explain that one.
The same situation arose again this year & everybody couldnt be arsed with the politics & rubbish, prefering to take advantage of a meeting we were offered to attend in Australia, which was a blast.
Instead of pointing the finger at Chris for ruining the nationals for chairs, look instead to the member from MNZ that wouldnt take any notice of the wishes of the majority of members of the NZSRA, & forced his own agenda on the members, with predictable results.
So Shaun, if you want to know why chair numbers were non existant, go & ask Jim, in sure he can can give you a detailed explination as to why he went against the majority vote.

[scrivy]

According to one of CHOWS POSTS, All other classes had more entries than last year in the NEW ZEALAND CHAMPS Mate EXEPT for Chairs that only did a couple of rounds, PLEASE explain how this makes the Chairs scene ok and the bikes NOT ok?
Shaun, you know as well as I do, that the Nats (in general - except chairs) had an increase over last year. But that was fairly easy to do since the previous year was damn near the worst on record!

I know the chairs have CLASSICS, so do 2 wheel bikes, but the grids are still there for a full NZ Championship to be held!!! and as you have posted, the VMCC and the amcc and Canterbury have great entries for there club scene rounds bringing on more new riders and teams, and this has no negative efffect on the NZ Champs in terms of entries to the Nationals, so I do not really see your point.
I never said it had a negative impact. Re-read my post. I imply that there are no where near the amount of 'club' riders stepping up to do the Nats as there are club day riders competing in winter series.

CORRECT, I do not have direct info from your NZSRA group, so perhaps as you clearly do, you can tell us all what the plans are to make the class a FULL NZ Championship scene again, or is this the end of the road for chairs in the NZ Championship scene? You know I have direct passion interest in the chairs as that was there where I started my racing and loved it
End of the road? Don't know. If members choose not to race, I can't stop them, nor can I make them race. Can you increase the numbers in other classes - a tall order even with your mana - but I doubt you can.
You know the real reason why the chairs haven't partaken in the Nats this year. Do you care to elaborate what you know about that?

Scrivy

[Kickaha]

There seems to be a serious lapse in peoples memorys as to why its all turned to crap in the last couple of years for chairs & people seem to be pointing the finger at Chris Lawrence, which has got me stumped.
No lapse in my memory and I am not blaming Chris for anything, it is a soon to be ex MNZ president I hold responsible

[scrivy]

Instead of pointing the finger at Chris for ruining the nationals for chairs, look instead to the member from MNZ that wouldnt take any notice of the wishes of the majority of members of the NZSRA, & forced his own agenda on the members, with predictable results.

Steve, you also forgot to mention that it was singlehandedly 1 person that over rode the MNZ rules and Constitution to make his own decisions - not the Board of MNZ, but 1 member alone. He then made all of us abide by it.
We weren't going to be bullied, so decided not to play.
Unfortunately, he did it again this year. So we found another sandpit. You and I didn't do the Nats for 2 years, rather going and having a ball on classics!

[White trash]

Why has this thread about President Nominations turned into a "Who fucked the sidecar class?" debate?

Frankly, I'm well over sidecars and the associated bullshit that seems to go hand in hand with them. From what I've seen and heard, it's full of petty, non important crap and no good reason other than egos. And that's coming from a complete newcomer to the sport. Don't wanna get involved in it but it was good fun being on track.

I'm off out to the garage to continue working on my Post Classic, at least the post classic guys get on well enough to actually race rather than cry.

Also, voting pack arrived today, including each candidates little blurb. Vote cast, in the post tomorrow. Job done.

[Kickaha]

Why has this thread about President Nominations turned into a "Who fucked the sidecar class?" debate?

Because one of the current Presidential nominations is pretty much responsible for what has happened with the class, I will give you a clue so you can work it out, it wasn't Chris

[sidecar bob]

No lapse in my memory and I am not blaming Chris for anything, it is a soon to be ex MNZ president I hold responsible
Yep, I know you and I are on the same page & on a great footing. Your post just gave me an opening to say what needed to be said.

[scrivy]

The worst thing about the whole sorry saga, is that the MNZ Board didn't do anything about it! Kevin says JT is just one vote, however, in reality, JT made the decisions without any input from the Board what so ever. We have documents that prove it.

JT has single handedly ruined our class. That is fact.
Chris is adamant that we will rise from the ashes, in whatever direction the NZSRA wish to move. That gets my vote.

Scrivy

[scrivy]

Because one of the current Presidential nominations is pretty much responsible for what has happened with the class, I will give you a clue so you can work it out, it wasn't Chris

Now I've got the Busa out again, I sincerely look forward to racing with you again Kick.
Oh, and you know you're getting on the side at the 'Have-a-go day'!

[scrivy]

Why has this thread about President Nominations turned into a "Who fucked the sidecar class?" debate?
It wasn't started by a NZSRA member.

Frankly, I'm well over sidecars and the associated bullshit that seems to go hand in hand with them. From what I've seen and heard, it's full of petty, non important crap and no good reason other than egos. And that's coming from a complete newcomer to the sport. Don't wanna get involved in it but it was good fun being on track.


Sad to hear Trashie. I wanted to get out there with you guys when and if you got a decent rig. You know you can punt one.

Scrivy

[Tony.OK]

Well I'm gonna vote for Tariana Turia..........................................oh shit wrong thread :facepalm: Seemed similar though hahaa :innocent:

[jellywrestler]

Now I've got the Busa out again, I sincerely look forward to racing with you again Kick.
Oh, and you know you're getting on the side at the 'Have-a-go day'!
yep and the Jim Coyle machine has been sold to some newcomers so should be out there too.

[White trash]

Sad to hear Trashie. I wanted to get out there with you guys when and if you got a decent rig. You know you can punt one.

Scrivy

I was only being an argumentative prick mate, I'm hooked on chairs. Currently hatching a cunning plan so that Drew and I can do it proper like.

See you at the Act the Goat day in May :D

[The Chow]

I was only being an argumentative prick mate, I'm hooked on chairs. Currently hatching a cunning plan so that Drew and I can do it proper like.

See you at the Act the Goat day in May :D

Hi Guys for what it's worth

Well that is me done ranting this year. As I said previously I can work with anyone , what ever the make up of the MNZ board is. Good luck to both candidates and can openly say now that neither have my endorsement as am not a member of MNZ . I will remain impartial and welcome what ever happens , so long it is for the sport of Motorcycling I believe that MNZ is strong , and hope to work with them all again in 2011/12.

I think both have strengths and both have weaknesses like everyone.It is a very hard job looking after 5000 licence holders and seven disciplines.

Cheers
Ian Dawson
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[scrivy]

Well I'm gonna vote for Tariana Turia..........................................oh shit wrong thread :facepalm: Seemed similar though hahaa :innocent:

No Tony, it's not the wrong thread. Have you seen my chair lately??? Its Red and Black. I've got the full support of Tariana and her party!

[scrivy]

yep and the Jim Coyle machine has been sold to some newcomers so should be out there too.

There you go Spyda, there's 2 more chairs out there this year. Who said I was wrong with the sidecar numbers increasing?

Scrivy

[scrivy]

I was only being an argumentative prick mate, I'm hooked on chairs. Currently hatching a cunning plan so that Drew and I can do it proper like.

See you at the Act the Goat day in May :D

Damn right you will!!!!
You think Divvos warm up laps around puke were hard out.............
You're gunna be spanking ya monkey on the Busa dude!!! (Oh, I suppose you'll wanna ride it too??)
I'll make sure Bob has access to the kill switch!!

Scrivy

[Tony.OK]

No Tony, it's not the wrong thread. Have you seen my chair lately??? Its Red and Black. I've got the full support of Tariana and her party!

Lol.......will have to have a look on the 1st:yes:

And at least my tax dollars are payin for something other than bloody rugby:innocent:

[jellywrestler]

There you go Spyda, there's 2 more chairs out there this year. Who said I was wrong with the sidecar numbers increasing?

Scrivy

I never said sidecar numbers weren't increasing.
As for the Coyle bike. Blunder (Steve Hamilton) came up to while drinking piss at the Timaru Nationals saying a mate thought about sidecars. I told him of Jim's bike, dragged Spike Taylor (Jims mechanic) over to tell him about it, made a stack of phone calls over the next few days and Blunder told me it was all paid for and shipment was underway last weekend.
I'd love to find a new owner for Bill Newtons bike too; as that's one of the few 'modern' short bikes out there, and well priced too.
As for the sidecars, like it or lump it most people hit me up at meetings asking me what's going on. I simply hate it most of the time. Last weekend at Manfeild I hadn't even put my helmet down before I got hit up.
What's happened over the last couple of years has happened. I want to see what is being proposed to bring the sport back to somewhere the level it was only a few short years ago, while it would be nice for everyone to get on off the track, at least get them to have their time on the track.
Let's look forward to the future folks.

[scrivy]

I'd love to find a new owner for Bill Newtons bike too; as that's one of the few 'modern' short bikes out there, and well priced too.
Very well priced for what it is!

As for the sidecars, like it or lump it most people hit me up at meetings asking me what's going on. I simply hate it most of the time. Last weekend at Manfeild I hadn't even put my helmet down before I got hit up.
What's happened over the last couple of years has happened. I want to see what is being proposed to bring the sport back to somewhere the level it was only a few short years ago, while it would be nice for everyone to get on off the track, at least get them to have their time on the track.
Let's look forward to the future folks.

Never a truer word spoken Spyda - I can't wait to see it take off again also.

But, I have to ask, of all the nay-sayers on here, and all the people hitting you up at the tracks, and bagging the NZSRA, I want to know - how many of them were NZSRA members that were complaining?
You see, we have been tarnished for the whole mess, when in fact we've been getting on with our own racing/fun, and keeping our mouths shut. But of course, no one has bothered to get our take on matters - rather assuming we are responsible.

I just look forward to racing again and putting on the freak show!!

Bob just wants to show people he can swing on anything......... or is that both ways??? Nah, I think on anything............

[Kickaha]

But, I have to ask, of all the nay-sayers on here, and all the people hitting you up at the tracks, and bagging the NZSRA, I want to know - how many of them were NZSRA members that were complaining?

It may surprise you to know there are a few people outside of the NZSRA that do like sidecar racing (go fuck yourself nonbeliever)and were disappointed to not see them on the grid and were asking questions

The current MNZ president has certainly done himself no favours in the way the sidecar class has been dealt with but neither has the NZSRA and some of it's members acted that flash either

[jellywrestler]

how many of them were NZSRA members that were complaining?

Some were NZSRA members Scrivy , some of them believe that two halves don't add up to one, the majority were not involved with sidecars currently that were missing them, old boys from the game etc.
Few I got into a discussion with as it's a complex matter and I'm sick of all the negativity etc.
I remain neutral on the situation I can see where some people have their opionions and where they come from, there are others who have been swept along with a 'side' simply cause they're easy to bend and rather than stick their head out tag along or nod cause it's easier.
Fuck it all, I just want to see some racing.
Last weekend I got to manfeild planned to stay the night and mix with the human's having already some chilled piss on hand for the task.
With no sidecars there I went looking elsewhere looking for said humans to let my hair down and behave like a poorly trained ape....

[scrivy]

Last weekend I got to manfeild planned to stay the night and mix with the human's having already some chilled piss on hand for the task.
With no sidecars there I went looking elsewhere looking for said humans to let my hair down and behave like a poorly trained ape....

How did you get on with that??

[White trash]

Damn right you will!!!!
You think Divvos warm up laps around puke were hard out.............
You're gunna be spanking ya monkey on the Busa dude!!! (Oh, I suppose you'll wanna ride it too??)
I'll make sure Bob has access to the kill switch!!

Scrivy

Not really interested in riding it mate. Drew would be keen as a bean though I suspect.

[Biggles08]

MMMMMMMMMMM cupcakes...

I'll make sure I bake one especially for you and hand it to you myself spyda!:blink:

[Biggles08]

Hey Marcus, it is a shame that MIke fealt this way, but it also is rather pathetic and NOT very proffesional of him to pull out if what you say is correct.

He has money in his pocket as CUSTOMERS purchase his product, perhaps a little bit of support to the sport be it road or dirt, might actually earn him some more dollars

For the record... I never said any names.

As for your other points about Mike Wilkens I disagree completely. He has been a massive support to myself personally over the last year. The fact that Kawasaki didn't end up sponsoring the NZ National Championship this year does not mean they have pulled out of supporting NZ Motorcycling (I would argue the opposite). As Ian pointed out earlier, all this is coming from a privately owned NZ company, not a massive $$$ back international outfit.

As we all know, times have been anything but flourishing for businesses over the 2009/2010 period so if a business doesn't feel like they are getting the deserved returns / respect from where they are currently putting their dollars, they look elsewhere. Its a natural thing to do. You were at that prize giving Shaun, you saw what a disgrace it was.. to use your words it was amazingly 'unprofessional,' none more so than the way that the rider and the head of the winning 600cc brand was treated. Kawasaki NZ are 100% committed to the NZ motorcycling world, of which road racing is one important part. I know this is fact as I have seen it with my own two eyes.

[gixerracer]

For the record... I never said any names.

As for your other points about Mike Wilkens I disagree completely. He has been a massive support to myself personally over the last year. The fact that Kawasaki didn't end up sponsoring the NZ National Championship this year does not mean they have pulled out of supporting NZ Motorcycling (I would argue the opposite). As Ian pointed out earlier, all this is coming from a privately owned NZ company, not a massive $$$ back international outfit.

As we all know, times have been anything but flourishing for businesses over the 2009/2010 period so if a business doesn't feel like they are getting the deserved returns / respect from where they are currently putting their dollars, they look elsewhere. Its a natural thing to do. You were at that prize giving Shaun, you saw what a disgrace it was.. to use your words it was amazingly 'unprofessional,' none more so than the way that the rider and the head of the winning 600cc brand was treated. Kawasaki NZ are 100% committed to the NZ motorcycling world, of which road racing is one important part. I know this is fact as I have seen it with my own two eyes.

Very well put. For a homo

[Crasherfromwayback]

Kawasaki NZ are 100% committed to the NZ motorcycling world, of which road racing is one important part. I know this is fact as I have seen it with my own two eyes.

That's obviously changed dramatically from when I road raced Kawasaki's then. Mike Wilkins and Kawasaki NZ were more than happy to burn guys that had busted their balls and their own personal bank balances racing green bikes.

[Shaun]

For the record... I never said any names.

As for your other points about Mike Wilkens I disagree completely. He has been a massive support to myself personally over the last year. The fact that Kawasaki didn't end up sponsoring the NZ National Championship this year does not mean they have pulled out of supporting NZ Motorcycling (I would argue the opposite). As Ian pointed out earlier, all this is coming from a privately owned NZ company, not a massive $$$ back international outfit.

As we all know, times have been anything but flourishing for businesses over the 2009/2010 period so if a business doesn't feel like they are getting the deserved returns / respect from where they are currently putting their dollars, they look elsewhere. Its a natural thing to do. You were at that prize giving Shaun, you saw what a disgrace it was.. to use your words it was amazingly 'unprofessional,' none more so than the way that the rider and the head of the winning 600cc brand was treated. Kawasaki NZ are 100% committed to the NZ motorcycling world, of which road racing is one important part. I know this is fact as I have seen it with my own two eyes.



WOOPS, And there was me thinking that a guy won the 09/10 600 champs on a Kawasaki

I was way to wrecked to remember any part of prize giving Marcus, probally for the best of all


PS, I actually do like MIKE

[scracha]

If A FUN/FREE trip to Australia is more important than helping tp keep alive or grow the sport here in NEW ZEALAND in it;s darkest hour for CHAIRS, I for one am not sure he is divorced enough from certain parties to be in the position he his running for.


So if it a was 2 wheels instead of 3 and the fun/free trip was to the Isle of Man you'd be playing the same tune?

[sidecar bob]

So if it a was 2 wheels instead of 3 and the fun/free trip was to the Isle of Man you'd be playing the same tune?
Noooo, the ginga bitch buggered off to the IOM right when we were trying to have a few races here & left us to our own devices, to persue his personal interests. I for one was very miffed with the situation!!
He should have been back here supporting MNZ & their nationals. They do after all represent the very pinnacle of motorcycle racing in NZ.



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[Drew]

Can't seem to find any other way to subscribe to the thread without posting.

As you were.

[Paul Searancke]

Hi Scott,
There is a Board and Commissioner meeting tomorrow(Sunday 10th). As you know I agree with your sentiments.The South Island Road Board member has chosen to respond before this meeting. Our(MNZ) accidents figures for trail rides are extremely low in fact. The only discipline lower per rider numbers is Moto-Trials. The highest accident figures (requiring further treatment) are for road racing and SX. Tomorrow I will also be requesting a copy of the Board minutes where this was voted in.
Paul Searancke

Scott411
Hi Scott,
I raised the matter of the trail ride tax and the outcome form the Board is that it stands. I forgot to ask for a copy of the Board minutes.
Paul Searancke

[Shaun]

So if it a was 2 wheels instead of 3 and the fun/free trip was to the Isle of Man you'd be playing the same tune?...

ummmmm, the TT happens in MAY/JUNE No interference with the NZ CHAMPIONSHIPS

Now try again to be cleaver

[jellywrestler]

ummmmm, the TT happens in MAY/JUNE No interference with the NZ CHAMPIONSHIPS

Now try again to be clever
you missed the bottom line Shaun on post 164.

Sidecar Bob is on that evil tanglefoot, he should really login as sidecar Knob when he's drinking.
And on a school night too what is the world coming to?.

[scott411]

Scott411
Hi Scott,
I raised the matter of the trail ride tax and the outcome form the Board is that it stands. I forgot to ask for a copy of the Board minutes.
Paul Searancke

that is a shame, because i think this will cause a revenue drop as trail rides will find private insurance at much better rates elsewhere.

this whole thread was ment to be a fact finding mission to help people who were undecided who to vote for, but it typical Kiwibiker style it has ended in a name calling shit fight, with very little of the input coming from Jim or Chris,

as for why my old man pulled his sponsorship of all MNZ events, you will have to ask him, because we do not speak for each other, and i feel i have done enough around motorcycling to deserve my own voice, as does he,

Very few people have put as much of their own money into motorcycle racing over the last 20 years in NZ as he has, through sponsoring riders, series and events, we all know he is not shy in telling people what he thinks, but i think it at least needs to be looked at why he pulled his sponsorship, and Ian, ill tell you the main reason was not money.

The main reason's why i think the board is off track is with the trail ride levy as mentioned above, but also about what this article is about. http://www.moto-media.net/?id=721

as it states in that article at the bottom is the fact that i am taking some time away from running motorcycle events and even my business to do a long overdue OE, so it may not effect me so much who wins this election, but I have been going to races since i was born, and have a huge passion for motorcycle racing of all types, i had a few more questions to ask, but this has been a shit fight enough on here,

[sidecar bob]

ummmmm, the TT happens in MAY/JUNE No interference with the NZ CHAMPIONSHIPS

Now try again to be cleaver
You wudda missed a winter meet at Manfield, still not very patriotic of you!!
Im taking the piss Shaun, because after all, who gives a shit if Chris was asked to see if any Kiwis that wernt going to be otherwise engaged wanted to go to an out of country meeting.
At least he wasnt being obstructive & destructive to the racing fraternity.
It can hardly be used as a stick to hit him with.

[scrivy]

You wudda missed a winter meet at Manfield, still not very patriotic of you!!
Faark, who gives a shit if Chris was asked to see if any Kiwis that wernt going to be otherwise engaged wanted to go to an out of country meeting.
At least he wasnt being obstructive & destructive to the racing fraternity.


I hope there was no Heineken consumed this morning Bob...............
:shutup::drinkup:

[sidecar bob]

I hope there was no Heineken consumed this morning Bob...............
:shutup::drinkup:
Noooo, Had few engagment drinks at drivers bar last night, not a regular occurence.

[Biggles08]

that is a shame, because i think this will cause a revenue drop as trail rides will find private insurance at much better rates elsewhere.

this whole thread was ment to be a fact finding mission to help people who were undecided who to vote for, but it typical Kiwibiker style it has ended in a name calling shit fight, with very little of the input coming from Jim or Chris,

as for why my old man pulled his sponsorship of all MNZ events, you will have to ask him, because we do not speak for each other, and i feel i have done enough around motorcycling to deserve my own voice, as does he,

Very few people have put as much of their own money into motorcycle racing over the last 20 years in NZ as he has, through sponsoring riders, series and events, we all know he is not shy in telling people what he thinks, but i think it at least needs to be looked at why he pulled his sponsorship, and Ian, ill tell you the main reason was not money.

The main reason's why i think the board is off track is with the trail ride levy as mentioned above, but also about what this article is about. http://www.moto-media.net/?id=721

as it states in that article at the bottom is the fact that i am taking some time away from running motorcycle events and even my business to do a long overdue OE, so it may not effect me so much who wins this election, but I have been going to races since i was born, and have a huge passion for motorcycle racing of all types, i had a few more questions to ask, but this has been a shit fight enough on here,

Good thoughts Scott, I especially liked this quote from the article you linked to:

"This is the sort of patronising language one would expect from a School Principal addressing a class of third formers, not an elected national body writing to a group of mature club committee members."

I have witnessed such attitudes recently at this years rounds of the Nationals. It always seems to need to be an "us vs them" mentality which is never going to move our sport forward.

[prettybillie]

[I]I
I'd love to find a new owner for Bill Newtons bike too; as that's one of the few 'modern' short bikes out there, and well priced too.


Bluebell is for sale too! Someone please buy her - I have massive house repairs to do!

[The Chow]

that is a shame, because i think this will cause a revenue drop as trail rides will find private insurance at much better rates elsewhere.

this whole thread was ment to be a fact finding mission to help people who were undecided who to vote for, but it typical Kiwibiker style it has ended in a name calling shit fight, with very little of the input coming from Jim or Chris,

as for why my old man pulled his sponsorship of all MNZ events, you will have to ask him, because we do not speak for each other, and i feel i have done enough around motorcycling to deserve my own voice, as does he,

Very few people have put as much of their own money into motorcycle racing over the last 20 years in NZ as he has, through sponsoring riders, series and events, we all know he is not shy in telling people what he thinks, but i think it at least needs to be looked at why he pulled his sponsorship, and Ian, ill tell you the main reason was not money.

The main reason's why i think the board is off track is with the trail ride levy as mentioned above, but also about what this article is about. http://www.moto-media.net/?id=721

as it states in that article at the bottom is the fact that i am taking some time away from running motorcycle events and even my business to do a long overdue OE, so it may not effect me so much who wins this election, but I have been going to races since i was born, and have a huge passion for motorcycle racing of all types, i had a few more questions to ask, but this has been a shit fight enough on here,

I wasn't going to respond , but I have too I'm sorry. I have had experiences that may have cloud my judgement about the reason Kawasaki didn't front, but I have seen it before , way before you were even out of school mate , so don't patronise me , I doubt that anyone has put as much in to the sport as what I have done since 1971. And Scott it cost me personally big time $$$$$$$ in the end.

[scott411]

Ian, by no means was that a shot at you, i remember being at school and coming with Dad to by tyres off you, and you would be part of the very few in that group as well, and your continued commitment to the road race champs is awesome, live updates is very cool, wish someone would do it for the mx nats as well,

[The Chow]

Ian, by no means was that a shot at you, i remember being at school and coming with Dad to by tyres off you, and you would be part of the very few in that group as well, and your continued commitment to the road race champs is awesome, live updates is very cool, wish someone would do it for the mx nats as well,

Mate no worries , your dad and I go way back and yes we haven't always seen eye to eye and may never do again. But that doesn't mean I don't respect him as a businessman and motorcycle person. I hope he keeps supporting the Red Devil Race Team or what ever he chooses.

Back to work , over and out

Ian

[The Chow]

Ian, by no means was that a shot at you, i remember being at school and coming with Dad to by tyres off you, and you would be part of the very few in that group as well, and your continued commitment to the road race champs is awesome, live updates is very cool, wish someone would do it for the mx nats as well,

RE:UPDATES You may get something for the Nats this year , early planning stages yet , but is my plan to expand into this.

[CHOPPA]

RE:UPDATES You may get something for the Nats this year , early planning stages yet , but is my plan to expand into this.

Live updates, commentary etc were one of the best things from the nats this year! Even if I have to block there posts monday mornings hahaha

[watchman]

Steve, you also forgot to mention that it was singlehandedly 1 person that over rode the MNZ rules and Constitution to make his own decisions - not the Board of MNZ, but 1 member alone. He then made all of us abide by it.
We weren't going to be bullied, so decided not to play.
Unfortunately, he did it again this year. So we found another sandpit. You and I didn't do the Nats for 2 years, rather going and having a ball on classics!

see scrivy ,its very hard to take what you say seriously when you come out with statements like the above.for this to have happened in the way you suggest implies the rest of the board let it happen, were in fact compliant in letting it happen, but nowhere on this thread have i seen you take any of them to task over it,
it implies that they are all 4 of them weak willed and obviously in such a state as to be unable to protest , or raise concerns, yet no one has challenged either of the 2 board members up for re-election implying i think satisfaction in their performance.
love the we wernt going to be bullied !! really isnt that what you do so well. in an earlier post you said id obviously been told the wrong information, perhaps theres a few conversations over the past few years you have obviously forgotten

[Dodgy]

Why doesnt watchman either tell us who he is, or just fuck off back under his rock?

[watchman]

Because one of the current Presidential nominations is pretty much responsible for what has happened with the class, I will give you a clue so you can work it out, it wasn't Chris

really, how any one can state this with a straight face reduces me to mirth, especially when chris states sorry scrivy who is after all the spokesperson for chris that he gets on with every one .
why didnt chris direct his efforts at reaching a workible compromise with mnz,after all if chris as president of sidecar association speaks for all members surely it was in their interests to get on board with the mnz board to provide racingfor their class, of course you only wouldnt do this if it didnt fit your agenda,it being fairly obvious at the agm apparantly that scrivy had a very big agenda.

[The Chow]

Ian, by no means was that a shot at you, i remember being at school and coming with Dad to by tyres off you, and you would be part of the very few in that group as well, and your continued commitment to the road race champs is awesome, live updates is v.ery cool, wish someone would do it for the mx nats as well,

Hey mate got you PM , but tried sending response , but not sure if it went. go to the website www.nzsbk.com and email through that address

[watchman]

Why doesnt watchman either tell us who he is, or just fuck off back under his rock?

why ? are we feeling threatened, all those unwise conversations people have had,
all those thinely veiled threats to elther do it our way , or we know best ,or my absolute favourite Tuckerman did it because we said he did it. im sure more than a few others in association have heard that one.

[watchman]

I was at the AGM Andrew asked a number of questions - which is what the AGM is for isn't it ?

I also asked some - I was not convinced by the answers to any of mine or Andrews.

I didn't think either of us made "dicks" of ourselves.

Would you care to tell ME who you are ?

Kevin Waugh.
as i was not at the agm perhaps you could ask your questions on here with the answers given and why you werent satified and then the board could comment

[Dodgy]

Oh great, the names 'Prat' apparently...

[Dodgy]

Honestly, why or how could I feel threatened by an anonymous poster??

If I wanted to say something positive or negative about Jim, I will do so. I think that he is a rather angry and inept man, and that is an opinion that I have formed from some actions and behaviours that I have seen. But this isn't actually about opinion is it - it is about hiding behind an anonymous alias.

[watchman]

not really getting defensive, I just think its fair that people are upfront about who they are, i started this thread so people can get an idea of what the candidates stand for, so people can make an informed decision on who they want to vote for

by your posts making statements about Andy on Chris in this thread, it seems you have made up your mind on who you are voting for, (if you are a member of MNZ), you have accused them of making money out of something in the guise of a club run meeting, its a big call to make,

if you do not want to post your name, that's your call, but I think a hell of a lot less about opinion's and statements when they are done with out names attached, esp when they turn up just on these threads only at this time of year

sorry my fault to turn up at this time of year ,will try and join other forums only at the start of financial years without elections in them ,probably wouldnt have joined this one but members of my blended family who live overseas found themselves at a race meeting recently as competitors, nd comments were made about the nz racing scene, as my partner has other family members here racing on 3 wheels she feels unable to cope with the degree of nastiness that is prevailing in the families sport of choice ,by giving my name ,PAT short for patrick which is not an aliasbut what i am commonly known as i thought i covered the situation .

[Crasherfromwayback]

,by giving my name ,PAT short for patrick

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was short for Patricia.

[watchman]

Honestly, why or how could I feel threatened by an anonymous poster??

If I wanted to say something positive or negative about Jim, I will do so. I think that he is a rather angry and inept man, and that is an opinion that I have formed from some actions and behaviours that I have seen. But this isn't actually about opinion is it - it is about hiding behind an anonymous alias.

of course you would ,an angry and inept man ,loved the quote ,isnt it strange that people always feel threatened by someone who achieves much, ive done some investigation you obviously have not.
how does someone who is inept take mnz from a budgeted loss to a 200k profit,lead me to that level of ineptnes,how does someone who is inept rewrite training manuals., give seminars ,deal with the industry, govt departments,
a fellow motorcyclist looked me out the endorsement from suzuki he got last time he stood, as i got questioned about steve bron thought id better look up background. Are you suggestioning senior management at suzuki cant tell a persons inept???? why is it that people in the industry can see vison and committment and all you can see is inept?????????

[scrivy]

Oh goody, Mr Watchmans back!


see scrivy ,its very hard to take what you say seriously when you come out with statements like the above.for this to have happened in the way you suggest implies the rest of the board let it happen, were in fact compliant in letting it happen, but nowhere on this thread have i seen you take any of them to task over it,
That's correct Watchman. This thread was not intended as a bitchfest - so why should I use it to bag all of MNZ???
But if you must know, a MNZ officer did contact me regarding the incident, and admitted JT had made an error. Also the MNZ Board did not investigate the incident fully, rather relying solely on JT's decision as being final!
Should we also mention the Bryce Meads suspension too? And who used his own discretion and rules, and directly contacted the Meads' without Board input, and more importantly without a grievance procedure being followed.
I can go on about other issues Watchman without any overriding Board input, but is that what this thread is about??

it implies that they are all 4 of them weak willed and obviously in such a state as to be unable to protest , or raise concerns, yet no one has challenged either of the 2 board members up for re-election implying i think satisfaction in their performance.
I think you began the bitchfest on this thread Watchman. No one seems interested with attacking the Board members.

love the we wernt going to be bullied !! really isnt that what you do so well. in an earlier post you said id obviously been told the wrong information, perhaps theres a few conversations over the past few years you have obviously forgottenCan you tell me 1 persons name who I have bullied.
Oh, I can say, I've never had the police knocking at my door........

Scrivy

[Drew]

Fuck sakes! Do we need another thread started in the interest of getting some direct responses from the candidates, so that "Pat" (whoever the hell he might be) can go on making a cock of himself in this one and the rest of us don't need to read it?

[scrivy]

really, how any one can state this with a straight face reduces me to mirth, especially when chris states sorry scrivy who is after all the spokesperson for chris that he gets on with every one .
Name me someone who doesn't get on with Chris. Go on, you're really in tune with everything, tell me just one name. Only one name out of the 1000's of MNZ members, all I want is one name. You can give me just one name can't you. Surely??


why didnt chris direct his efforts at reaching a workible compromise with mnz,after all if chris as president of sidecar association speaks for all members surely it was in their interests to get on board with the mnz board to provide racingfor their class, of course you only wouldnt do this if it didnt fit your agenda,it being fairly obvious at the agm apparantly that scrivy had a very big agenda.
WTF???? Dude, you make me laugh! Chris hasn't been the president of the NZSRA for years!!! I'm disappointed Watchman, I thought you were up with the pace. You clearly don't know everything after all!!
Chris didn't even race last year, and had some pretty big operations also, which put him out of the scene for awhile too.
My agenda?? Again, as I've stated before, I didn't even do the Nats for 2 years. I certainly did not tell anyone to not do them!! People in our sport are adults - they can certainly make up their own minds! Just to remind you, I am not even on the NZSRA committee, so other members don't heed anything I say!
AGM? Yes I did ask alot of questions too. I (like Wharfy) was not convinced by the answers given also. Being a MNZ member, I am actually entitled to ask questions of MNZ at an AGM. But you wouldn't be aware of that, as you are not a MNZ member, so I forgive you for your lack of understanding.

Scrivy

[sidecar bob]

Seems Pat has selectively not answered a couple of questions asked of him on here too.
Odd that the only strong supporter of the current president on here has an angry belligerent & abrasive manner & is also the only one hiding behind an alias & refusing to come out.
I think that speaks volumes.
Obviously this individual wants to keep a foot in both camps & would prefer to circulate amongst us a a two faced prat, than just come out, be straight up & grow a spine.
Being angry & shouty makes you about as right as running down a field with your arms out makes you a topdressing plane.
Oh, and the NZSRA President is Mr Michael Wolland, if nothing else, youre not real bright Pat.

[wharfy]

as i was not at the agm perhaps you could ask your questions on here with the answers given and why you werent satified and then the board could comment

So you weren't at the AGM but you were prepared to say that Andrew made a "dick" of himself ? Who told you that ? Did they tell you I made a "dick" of myself as well by asking questions ? It must be an impeccable source if you are prepared to repeat the story in a public forum.

There is little point in repeating the questions, but if you ARE interested, the questions and answers are in the minutes of the AGM ( that you should have received by now if you are an MNZ member ).


So Pat ( is that short for patsy ? ) I have to say that as far as I am concerned you have ZERO credibility and your "opinion" is not worth a pinch of shit.


Kevin Waugh.

[jellywrestler]

a pinch of shit.




MMMMMMMMMMMMM pinch of shit.
Doh, I meant cupcakes!!

[scrivy]

MMMMMMMMMMMMM pinch of shit.
Doh, I meant cupcakes!!

Or is that shrewsbury biscuits????................................ :facepalm::shutup:

[jellywrestler]

Or is that shrewsbury biscuits????................................ :facepalm::shutup:

they were damn nice shrewsbury biscuits thanks Scrivy, and the kid didn't even miss them

[scrivy]

they were damn nice shrewsbury biscuits thanks Scrivy, and the kid didn't even miss them

When you're hungry, anythings damn nice!!!

[jellywrestler]

When you're hungry, anythings damn nice!!!
I wasn't hungry at all, but the price was right.

[scrivy]

Bump.
Just 1 member Watchman.

Still waiting.

Scrivy

[Pussy]

This is quality entertainment! :)

[Kevin G]

Oh goody, Mr Watchmans back!

Can you tell me 1 persons name who I have bullied.
Oh, I can say, I've never had the police knocking at my door........

Scrivy

I can assure you Andy that you are way of the mark re Mr Meads. The board (myself included) were very involved with the process ( I did the investigation) but Jim was the person who delivered the outcome.

Kevin Goddard

[scrivy]

I can assure you Andy that you are way of the mark re Mr Meads. The board (myself included) were very involved with the process ( I did the investigation) but Jim was the person who delivered the outcome.

Kevin Goddard

Thanks for your reply Kevin.

Can you explain what hearing and appeals process was offered to Bryce before his probation and the procedural steps that you followed. I am fully aware what happened to Bryce, as I too (like yourself) was involved with the process. Can you assure all interested members that Rule 7.2.9 was adhered to by the MNZ Board? Also, can you show the rulebook number where probation is an enforceable penalty.

Scrivy

[Drew]

I can assure you Andy that you are way of the mark re Mr Meads. The board (myself included) were very involved with the process ( I did the investigation) but Jim was the person who delivered the outcome.

Kevin Goddard


Is this the incident that saw Bryce suspended from events, for something that happened at a track day which was not an MNZ event? That just happened to be witnessed by a board member.

[scrivy]

Is this the incident that saw Bryce suspended from events, for something that happened at a track day which was not an MNZ event? That just happened to be witnessed by a board member.

You are correct sir.

[Kevin G]

Thanks for your reply Kevin.

Can you explain what appeals process was offered to Bryce before his probation and the procedural steps that you followed. Also, can you show the rulebook number where probation is an enforceable penalty.

Scrivy

Hi.
I do not want to get into all the details on here I do not think that is fair to any party involved and breaches privacy.
The code of conduct process does not have an appeals process other than going to the sports tribunal (rule 7.4.1). The probation was an outcome from an incident and the outcomes for any breach were clear for all parties involved.
see http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/codeofconduct.aspx for info

[Drew]

You are correct sir.
I can assure you Andy that you are way of the mark re Mr Meads. The board (myself included) were very involved with the process ( I did the investigation) but Jim was the person who delivered the outcome.

Kevin Goddard

Perhaps I could get an answer to the question that bugs me about this then.

On what grounds did you investigate?

Also, can I have a definition of MNZ expected probationary conduct?

[BJT666]

So you weren't at the AGM but you were prepared to say that Andrew made a "dick" of himself ? Who told you that ? Did they tell you I made a "dick" of myself as well by asking questions ? It must be an impeccable source if you are prepared to repeat the story in a public forum.

There is little point in repeating the questions, but if you ARE interested, the questions and answers are in the minutes of the AGM ( that you should have received by now if you are an MNZ member ).


So Pat ( is that short for patsy ? ) I have to say that as far as I am concerned you have ZERO credibility and your "opinion" is not worth a pinch of shit.


Kevin Waugh.

Good Evening All,

I have been watching but resisting the temptation to post.

I was at the AGM Kevin, I remember your question, which from memory was answered by Life member Errol Conaghan.

You appeared satisfied at the time. Exactly what if anything would you like to add.

[BJT666]

Good Evening All,

I have been watching but resisting the temptation to post.

I was at the AGM Kevin, I remember your question, which from memory was answered by Life member Errol Conaghan.

You appeared satisfied at the time. Exactly what if anything would you like to add.


Apologise BJT666 is Jim Tuckerman, MNZ President for those who don't know me.

[BJT666]

Earlier on this thread 'Kickaha' commented about members of the public liking 'Sidecars'.

I believe this to be one of the best statements Kickaha has made, a great number of the paying public come to see sidecars and this season went away disappointed at 3 of the 5 rounds.

I am however puzzled as to why this is MY fault.

MNZ and it's hard working Road Race Clubs included sidecars as a class on their entry forms. unfortunately too few sidecars entered for three of the Clubs to proceed with the class.

So from where I sit, the Clubs offered the events for sidecars to race at but nobody came.

BJT666 Jim Tuckerman

[Shaun]

This is quality entertainment! :)



Dam, we agree on some thing other than a GSXR 750 being the best road bike

[Shaun]

Earlier on this thread 'Kickaha' commented about members of the public liking 'Sidecars'.

I believe this to be one of the best statements Kickaha has made, a great number of the paying public come to see sidecars and this season went away disappointed at 3 of the 5 rounds.

I am however puzzled as to why this is MY fault.

MNZ and it's hard working Road Race Clubs included sidecars as a class on their entry forms. unfortunately too few sidecars entered for three of the Clubs to proceed with the class.

So from where I sit, the Clubs offered the events for sidecars to race at but nobody came.

BJT666 Jim Tuckerman




Hope you a few spare hours/years to deal with this place Jim

[jellywrestler]

BUMP
Originally Posted by racer40
Chris here to answer some of your questions.
I do believe the Nationals need a revamp as the grids are poor at the moment...


hey chris,
good to see ya here an answering.
What is YOUR view on a format for the Road racing nationals then?

[wharfy]

Good Evening All,

I have been watching but resisting the temptation to post.

I was at the AGM Kevin, I remember your question, which from memory was answered by Life member Errol Conaghan.

You appeared satisfied at the time. Exactly what if anything would you like to add.

My first question was " was there a process to remove the CEO position ?"

Having been the subject of a number of "re-structures" I was acutely aware how unpleasant it is for those being re-structured and was after some assurance that there was a proper process in place and that it was followed. While the main motive was to be assured that there was minimum amount of trauma for those involved I was also concerned that if a proper process was not followed MNZ could face a potentially embarrassing and expensive legal battle (my motives were not entirely altruistic).

Mr Conaghan's reply was simply that the board of MNZ was authorized to "manage the employment". Which didn't actually answer the question.

I then asked "had there been a process for establishing the position of CEO ?" but nobody seemed to know the answer to that. (I notice it is not recorded in the minutes).

I was far from satisfied, however the motion was moved, seconded and carried and I would not have raised it again except that the mysterious "Pat the watchman" (or his informant as he wasn't even there) seemed to think that asking questions at the AGM amounted to "making a dick of yourself".

All this is of course "off the topic" of this thread so to get back "on topic" I do have a serious question for you.

In your election flier asking for my vote you state that you have several projects that you would like to complete.

Would you please give us some details of exactly what those projects are and how they will benefit the MNZ members ?

Kevin Waugh

[sidecar bob]

Hi Jim, & thanks for putting in an appearance.
You say you are unsure of how a lack of sidecars is your fault.
Here is a copy of an earlier post i made in this thread.
My understanding of the situation was as follows.
If this is not in fact the case, could you please outline the correct series of events to set the record straight.
Regards,
Steve.
There seems to be a serious lapse in peoples memorys as to why its all turned to crap in the last couple of years for chairs & people seem to be pointing the finger at Chris Lawrence, which has got me stumped.
My memory of it is great because I lost over a grand in the process, let me give my recollections of the situation.
An overwhelming majority vote from the NZSRA (then an affiliated club of MNZ) voted in favour of doing two national rounds in the south Isl as had been the norm for many years.
Consequently tickets were purchased for air travel to & from, then for some reason, a senior member of MNZ stood up & said, three rounds down south for sidecars, or you dont qualify for a national championship, completely ignoring the wishes of the majority vote.
Being unable to comit to three rounds down south, along with a number of other teams, we pulled out, (losing our airfares & all) which made doing any other rounds a bit of a mute point because missing rounds, well, i hardly need to explain that one.
The same situation arose again this year & everybody couldnt be arsed with the politics & rubbish, prefering instead, to take advantage of a meeting we were offered to attend in Australia, which was a blast.
Instead of pointing the finger at Chris for ruining the nationals for chairs, look instead to the member from MNZ that wouldnt take any notice of the wishes of the majority of members of the NZSRA, & forced his own agenda on the members, with predictable results.
So Shaun, if you want to know why chair numbers were non existant, go & ask Jim, in sure he can can give you a detailed explination as to why he went against the majority vote.

[CHOPPA]

I have found Jim T to be very approachable and has been very helpful so thats where my vote will go but Chris seems like a good guy and a racer himself but I dont really know what the position im voting them in for is?

Its for the president but what is the actual duties for the president and how much power do they have to make decisions and changes?

[BJT666]

Hi Jim, & thanks for putting in an appearance.
You say you are unsure of how a lack of sidecars is your fault.
Here is a copy of an earlier post i made in this thread.
My understanding of the situation was as follows.
If this is not in fact the case, could you please outline the correct series of events to set the record straight.
Regards,
Steve.

Morning Steve,
Thank you for digging out your previous post.

I have come late to this threat as I have been a little busy lately with Road Race Championships, Motocross Championships, Board and Commissioner meetings.

I was approached at Manfeild regarding a possible meeting, I agreed to prepare a short note on the timeline regarding the Sidecar Championship.

I am hoping to complete that today and will post it here on "KB"

BJT666 - JimTuckerman.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have been a little busy lately with Road Race Championships, Motocross Championships, Board and Commissioner meetings.



Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing?

[White trash]

Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing?

Hey can you post the full size pic of your avatar mate? Looks like an interesting shot but can't see the details with me dodgy eyes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey can you post the full size pic of your avatar mate? Looks like an interesting shot but can't see the details with me dodgy eyes.

It's in my profile pics if ya want a gander. It's Pete Richardson on his ZZR600, and me on my first KR1S at Manfeild circa 1990.

[Kevin G]

Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing?

Hi.
Just out of interest how many people assume or believe this is a paid job. I have heard many people say the job should be done better, want more delivered, want more communication etc etc.
The President and all the Board and Commission members are all volunteers so they do this for free and usually at a cost to their own businesses, jobs, family and their own motorcycling. We do this trying our best to move the sport and MNZ forward, I know our best may not be enough for everyone but believe me as a team we try our best and put all we can afford to (re time) into this. Sometimes things do take too long especially around the Christmas and the National series time as we are all busy either doing it or helping at them.

I wrote this as I had a conversation with some well informed and very involved club officers recently that truly believed the job was paid and as such had completely different expectations as a result which was understandable.

I am not really defending any action or inaction merely trying to clarify how it is.

Kevin Goddard

[sidecar bob]

Hi.
Just out of interest how many people assume or believe this is a paid job. I have heard many people say the job should be done better, want more delivered, want more communication etc etc.
The President and all the Board and Commission members are all volunteers so they do this for free and usually at a cost to their own businesses, jobs, family and their own motorcycling. We do this trying our best to move the sport and MNZ forward, I know our best may not be enough for everyone but believe me as a team we try our best and put all we can afford to (re time) into this. Sometimes things do take too long especially around the Christmas and the National series time as we are all busy either doing it or helping at them.

I wrote this as I had a conversation with some well informed and very involved club officers recently that truly believed the job was paid and as such had completely different expectations as a result which was understandable.

I am not really defending any action or inaction merely trying to clarify how it is.

Kevin Goddard
While it may not be a paid position, i understand it is an all expenses paid position.
To this end, I understand that at least one senior "volunteer" of MNZ has on occasions travelled internationally in the airline's first class section while on MNZ business.
Can you or any other forum user confirm if this is indeed the case?

[scrivy]

The code of conduct process does not have an appeals process other than going to the sports tribunal (rule 7.4.1). The probation was an outcome from an incident and the outcomes for any breach were clear for all parties involved.

MNZ have unfortunately set a precident here Kevin.
Can you explain what part of the Code of Conduct rule Bryce infringed please.
If you choose to use this rule, rather than a MNZ manual rule, then it subsequently gives the power solely to MNZ with NO hearing, NO appeal, and NO recourse for the defendant, other than as you say, the Sports Tribunal.
Gee, that's alot easier than using the rulebook then, no protesting, no appeals, no hearings, no comeback!! You can pick on anyone you see fit to, and members can do jack shit about it!
That is so one sided Kevin that I don't believe it even abides to MNZs mission statement of being 'Fun, Safe and Fair'.
Can you please provide me the minutes of the Board meeting where this was discussed by the Board, and the outcome that was determined by the Board. You know my e-mail address. Please don't make me wait for 7 1/2 weeks again for correspondence, as JT did when providing me with last years Board meeting minutes.

If the Board were so adamant that Bryce was to be penalised by his supposed massive breach of the Code of Conduct rule (even without obtaining his explanation of the events), then why did the MNZ Board absolutely ignore 100% a police complaint against JT for an assault he made against an MNZ members family member? This is clearly stated as a breach of the code of conduct rule. Also, what was the Board's outcome on the Code of Conduct charge laid against JT by an MNZ member due to the above incident?
There certainly seems to me to be double standards by the Board and the current President. Transparency is what is asked for by MNZ members, but currently we are just treated like mushrooms.

I await your reply.

Scrivy

[Crasherfromwayback]

, then why did the MNZ Board absolutely ignore 100% a police complaint against JT for an assault he made against an MNZ members family member?

Why am I not surprised to read this? I'm even more surprised bully boy Errol Conaghan wasn't involved too. I'm so glad to be racing vintage moto-x now, which is so laid back and hassle free as compared to anything to do with mnz. Especially the road race side of it.

Pete McDonald ex MNZ licence holder #1254

[Kevin G]

While it may not be a paid position, i understand it is an all expenses paid position.
To this end, I understand that at least one senior "volunteer" of MNZ has on occasions travelled internationally in the airline's first class section while on MNZ business.
Can you or any other forum user confirm if this is indeed the case?

Hi.
I am not sure who you refer to but I can categorically state that during this boards tenure that first class travel has most definitely not occurred. Our President has attending FIM conferences as that is part of his job but not in first class, I can assure you your information is wrong.
When you say all expenses paid we are reimbursed for out of pocket expenses such as travel, accommodation etc when on board business, usually all the arrangements are made through the office. The most valuable thing is time that is given and no $$ are paid for this.

[budda]

While it may not be a paid position, i understand it is an all expenses paid position.


WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO - I feel a cheque coming on !!!!!!!!!!!

Bob, your understanding is erogenous OOPS, make that erroneous. While there is facility for reimbursement of reasonable expenses, I personally dont know of ANY MNZ senior management ( including Stewards ) who make full use of this.

Speaking only for myself, it would have been cheaper to RACE this Season than be the Commissioner. The Board and Commissioners put IN, not take OUT - believe it !

[denill]

Hi.
I am not sure who you refer to but I can categorically state that during this boards tenure that first class travel has most definitely not occurred. Our President has attending FIM conferences as that is part of his job but not in first class, I can assure you your information is wrong.

Your comment referred to First Class?

There is a difference between Business Class and First class but I would not expect board members on MNZ duties to fly long distance in Cattle Class. It would be BC - or I'm not going. :facepalm:

[Dodgy]

Your comment referred to First Class?

There is a difference between Business Class and First class but I would not expect board members on MNZ duties to fly long distance in Cattle Class. It would be BC - or I'm not going. :facepalm:

Shit, really?? When I fly for my clients or my previous employer, I flew economy - even to Europe. It was easier to get Koru (and better value due to the opportunity to network). I thought that only parliament still had their noses in the business class trough...

[Kevin G]

MNZ have unfortunately set a precident here Kevin.
Can you explain what part of the Code of Conduct rule Bryce infringed please.
If you choose to use this rule, rather than a MNZ manual rule, then it subsequently gives the power solely to MNZ with NO hearing, NO appeal, and NO recourse for the defendant, other than as you say, the Sports Tribunal.
Gee, that's alot easier than using the rulebook then, no protesting, no appeals, no hearings, no comeback!! You can pick on anyone you see fit to, and members can do jack shit about it!
That is so one sided Kevin that I don't believe it even abides to MNZs mission statement of being 'Fun, Safe and Fair'.
Can you please provide me the minutes of the Board meeting where this was discussed by the Board, and the outcome that was determined by the Board. You know my e-mail address. Please don't make me wait for 7 1/2 weeks again for correspondence, as JT did when providing me with last years Board meeting minutes.

If the Board were so adamant that Bryce was to be penalised by his supposed massive breach of the Code of Conduct rule (even without obtaining his explanation of the events), then why did the MNZ Board absolutely ignore 100% a police complaint against JT for an assault he made against an MNZ members family member? This is clearly stated as a breach of the code of conduct rule. Also, what was the Board's outcome on the Code of Conduct charge laid against JT by an MNZ member due to the above incident?
There certainly seems to me to be double standards by the Board and the current President. Transparency is what is asked for by MNZ members, but currently we are just treated like mushrooms.

I await your reply.

Scrivy

As stated earlier I am not going into details on here re code of conduct issues.

Any issue involving the police have nothing to do with MNZ. The police are the higher power and if any complaint goes to the police it is taken out of our hands.

The code of conduct rules and policy were established and have been in place for many years, long before this board was elected.

If you want board minutes you know the process, contact the office.

Kevin

[sidecar bob]

Hi.
I am not sure who you refer to but I can categorically state that during this boards tenure that first class travel has most definitely not occurred. Our President has attending FIM conferences as that is part of his job but not in first class, I can assure you your information is wrong.
When you say all expenses paid we are reimbursed for out of pocket expenses such as travel, accommodation etc when on board business, usually all the arrangements are made through the office. The most valuable thing is time that is given and no $$ are paid for this.
Thankyou to yourself & budda for clearing that up. Better that than to propogate a lie.
Budda, erogenous first class?? is that where you lay back in a comfy chair & the hostess nibbles your ear lobe?

[Crasherfromwayback]

As stated earlier I am not going into details on here re code of conduct issues.

Any issue involving the police have nothing to do with MNZ. The police are the higher power and if any complaint goes to the police it is taken out of our hands.

Kevin

Why not?

And why is that? My employer would like to know and would say they have a right to know about any pending police charges against me. And if I was found guilty of say drink driving...they could fire me on the spot if it went against their beliefs. Surely IF someone high up in MNZ was involved in an assult of an MNZ members family, MNZ could act on it IF they wanted to?

[scrivy]

Why not?

And why is that? My employer would like to know and would say they have a right to know about any pending police charges against me. And if I was found guilty of say drink driving...they could fire me on the spot if it went against their beliefs. Surely IF someone high up in MNZ was involved in an assult of an MNZ members family, MNZ could act on it IF they wanted to?

Damn straight!!
The Board totally swept it under the carpet!!

Imagine a president of any other organisation assaulting a member of a financial members family. As I said earlier, this was serious enough to be taken up by the police! So why not the Board of MNZ??? The MNZ Code of conduct rule applies to all members - of which Jim Tuckerman is one.
I would have thought this was far more serious than the Bryce Meads situation!
If a Board member was involved instead of JT, do you think he'd still be on the Board?? NOT!!

And Watchman accuses me of bullying................... that's a laugh!
Let's see, Ray Whitham, the Paeora car window incident and now a police complaint.
This is conduct unbecoming of a figurehead for our sport.

What next??

[BJT666]

Good afternoon,

Clearly you like living in the past Mr Scrivener. "The longer ago it was, the faster I went, EH"

You mention incidents which are over two years old, actually before I was elected President the first time.

I stand by my achievements as President of MNZ.

While I have been President, MNZ has moved from loosing $100k (but revalueing the property to hide it) to making a $200K plus profit. Too be fair that is mainly due to the restructure (Two less staff members) however the Office is today more efficient than it has evere been. Staff can turn around a licence renewal in 48 hours, when in the past MNZ has employed extra staff and still took two weeks to process a licence.
Under the current Board and Commissions, MNZ has run successful Supercross, Motocross and Road Race Championships, all of which recieved significant TV coverage. Along with Trials, ATVs.Enduro and Cross Country Champs.

MNZ for the first time in the thirty-five odd years I have been involved, are being recognised by Govenment departments such as ACC and the Labour Dept.

We now have a comprehensive "Officials Training" programme, which i am proud to say has come about through my contacts with my counterparts in the FIM.

So let's look to improving MNZ not going backwards

All you seem to be doing Mr Scrivener is throwing dirt, old dirt at that.

Why are we not hearing from Mr. Lawrance telling us what he is going to achieve

[BJT666]

My first question was " was there a process to remove the CEO position ?"

Having been the subject of a number of "re-structures" I was acutely aware how unpleasant it is for those being re-structured and was after some assurance that there was a proper process in place and that it was followed. While the main motive was to be assured that there was minimum amount of trauma for those involved I was also concerned that if a proper process was not followed MNZ could face a potentially embarrassing and expensive legal battle (my motives were not entirely altruistic).

Mr Conaghan's reply was simply that the board of MNZ was authorized to "manage the employment". Which didn't actually answer the question.

I then asked "had there been a process for establishing the position of CEO ?" but nobody seemed to know the answer to that. (I notice it is not recorded in the minutes).

I was far from satisfied, however the motion was moved, seconded and carried and I would not have raised it again except that the mysterious "Pat the watchman" (or his informant as he wasn't even there) seemed to think that asking questions at the AGM amounted to "making a dick of yourself".

All this is of course "off the topic" of this thread so to get back "on topic" I do have a serious question for you.

In your election flier asking for my vote you state that you have several projects that you would like to complete.

Would you please give us some details of exactly what those projects are and how they will benefit the MNZ members ?

Kevin Waugh

Afternoon Kevin,

It can be extremely frustrating dealing with the posters on this site, who are clearly sitting at their computers with a six pack or a few 'Woodys' happily winding people up.


As one who has also been through a re-structure, I can appreciate your concerns.
Please be assured that for MNZ's re-structure, a professional organisation was commissioned to complete the task and all care was taken around the employees involved.

Anyway moving on. Thank you for your positive question.

Over the last two years, things at MNZ have changed dramatically. We have moved from running at a loss and budgeting for a further loss, to running at a reasonable profit.
We have also moved certain areas of our Sport forward; one being the ‘sport’ is run by the Commissions, not by the Office or the Board.

I personally have spent several months creating a new "Officials Training" system, which includes all Official not just Stewards.
This will improve the skill level of all officials and should benefit members by them having better run meetings.
We have been developing a “Coaching for Coaches” programme which once trialled should be a great asset to all Clubs and their members.

These are just a couple of the programmes that have been started and it would be good to see them through.
Like most things in Motorcycling if someone isn’t driving it, it simply doesn’t get done.

BJT666 - Jim Tuckerman

[scrivy]

Good afternoon,

Clearly you like living in the past Mr Scrivener. "The longer ago it was, the faster I went, EH"
Its more like 'The older I am the fast I get'..... but anyway......

You mention incidents which are over two years old, actually before I was elected President the first time.
Actually, wrong again Jim.
You have a way of misconstruing and twisting the truth, as per some other people on here also. I simply state FACT. I don't make up lies. I'll leave that for Watchman.
The assault incident took place last year at H.D. not long before the AGM - while you were President of our sport. Not 2 years ago as you state.

The truth please Jim.



All you seem to be doing Mr Scrivener is throwing dirt, old dirt at that.
Actually answering questions and clearing up the facts so people can make an informed decission.

[scrivy]

So let's look to improving MNZ not going backwards


Amen to that!

So, in response to my original question, who nominated you this time around Jim? It was a nomination requirement to advise.

[scrivy]

My first question was " was there a process to remove the CEO position ?"
Mr Conaghan's reply was simply that the board of MNZ was authorized to "manage the employment". Which didn't actually answer the question.
I was far from satisfied, however the motion was moved, seconded and carried.

Kevin Waugh

Hi Kevin,

Does the following sound like it happened at the AGM in response to a process being involved?
I know it didn't, and I know I stood up and made a mention of the breach of Constitution number also.

18.0 ALTERATIONS TO CONSTITUTION
18.1 With the exception of Rule 19, these rules may be rescinded, altered or added to by resolution by a two-thirds
majority vote at any AGM Meeting or Special General Meeting of which notice has been duly given, such notice
must contain particulars of the proposed alteration. For avoidance of doubt, a proposed rescission or alteration may
be amended or otherwise modified at any AGM or Special General Meeting.

Scrivy

[Drew]

Andy, you're a clever bastard and speak very well about your concerns. I think though that your point is made. The current board are less than enthusiastic in giving straight answers regarding Bryce Meads probation, or what grounds they put him on there with.

I'm not too flash on that, but I wasn't expecting much different, nor would I realistically expect any different from Mr Lawrence since I don't think we've met and as far as I know, he could just be guy with his own agenda. (You're vouching for him does give him more credibility than that of course).

Perhaps Chris could tell us weather he would continue with the current long game Jim has in play regarding training and shit for officials and club reps.

[jellywrestler]

mushrooms.
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM mushrooms...

[Drew]

Could you both please answer.

With our new found profit, what would you like to see being done to grow our road racing National points series as a whole?

[jellywrestler]

Lawrance

That's how the family names spelleded folks...

[Kevin G]

Hi Kevin,

Does the following sound like it happened at the AGM in response to a process being involved?
I know it didn't, and I know I stood up and made a mention of the breach of Constitution number also.

18.0 ALTERATIONS TO CONSTITUTION
18.1 With the exception of Rule 19, these rules may be rescinded, altered or added to by resolution by a two-thirds
majority vote at any AGM Meeting or Special General Meeting of which notice has been duly given, such notice
must contain particulars of the proposed alteration. For avoidance of doubt, a proposed rescission or alteration may
be amended or otherwise modified at any AGM or Special General Meeting.

Scrivy

Hi.
Not sure what you are asking here.
All constitution changes were done at the AGM.

[sidecar bob]

Lawrance

That's how the family names spelleded folks...

Spelt, thats how spellded is spelt.:niceone:

[Bykmad]

Drew. The Officials Training was restarted in 2007 after a break of several years and this is a continuation of that. It is not a new policy.

[sidecar bob]

Im still waiting for an answer as to wether my post is pretty much as it happened, or a crock of shit.
I dont need half an hour of rhetoric, just a yes or no basically.
I need to clear this up in order to help me to decide which candidate to vote for, as im pretty much "on the fence" at the moment.
There seems to be a serious lapse in peoples memorys as to why its all turned to crap in the last couple of years for chairs & people seem to be pointing the finger at Chris Lawrence, which has got me stumped.
My memory of it is great because I lost over a grand in the process, let me give my recollections of the situation.
An overwhelming majority vote from the NZSRA (then an affiliated club of MNZ) voted in favour of doing two national rounds in the south Isl as had been the norm for many years.
Consequently tickets were purchased for air travel to & from, then for some reason, a senior member of MNZ stood up & said, three rounds down south for sidecars, or you dont qualify for a national championship, completely ignoring the wishes of the majority vote.
Being unable to comit to three rounds down south, along with a number of other teams, we pulled out, (losing our airfares & all) which made doing any other rounds a bit of a mute point because missing rounds, well, i hardly need to explain that one.
The same situation arose again this year & everybody couldnt be arsed with the politics & rubbish, prefering to take advantage of a meeting we were offered to attend in Australia, which was a blast.
Instead of pointing the finger at Chris for ruining the nationals for chairs, look instead to the member from MNZ that wouldnt take any notice of the wishes of the majority of members of the NZSRA, & forced his own agenda on the members, with predictable results.
So Shaun, if you want to know why chair numbers were non existant, go & ask Jim, in sure he can can give you a detailed explination as to why he went against the majority vote.

[Biggles08]

Drew. The Officials Training was restarted in 2007 after a break of several years and this is a continuation of that. It is not a new policy.
So it wasn't a new initiation from Jim? He has just finished telling us it was one of his achievements while he has been president?

Orig quote:
"We now have a comprehensive "Officials Training" programme, which i am proud to say has come about through my contacts with my counterparts in the FIM."

Was it already going prior to this term?

[Drew]

Drew. The Officials Training was restarted in 2007 after a break of several years and this is a continuation of that. It is not a new policy.


So it wasn't a new initiation from Jim? He has just finished telling us it was one of his achievements while he has been president?

Orig quote:
"We now have a comprehensive "Officials Training" programme, which i am proud to say has come about through my contacts with my counterparts in the FIM."

Was it already going prior to this term?

Apologies to Chris for miss spelling his name first off.

Was JT a member of the board in 2007 when the training was started again then perhaps?

I'm also pretty keen to hear an answer to Sicecar bob's question re what went down between MNZ/JT and the sidecar hooligans beginning this nationals season past. If Steve is telling it how it was, could we get a response in to say so.

[Biggles08]

Was JT a member of the board in 2007 when the training was started perhaps?
Possibly, and maybe that is what he meant but I interpreted it as an achievement he has made whilst being in the chief seat. I guess Jim can answer this though :yes:

[BJT666]

Drew. The Officials Training was restarted in 2007 after a break of several years and this is a continuation of that. It is not a new policy.

Good evening Bykmad,

The Stewards training re-started in 2007 finished in 2009 and the programme run in a limited form in 2010 is totally different


We look forward to seeing you on Saturday at the "Officials Training" in Auckland, that way you will not make incorrect posts.



BJT666 - Jim Tuckerman.