MNZ board nominations

[Bykmad]

Originally Posted by Billy
Yip,On the money Paul,Is it not true also that Warren and Trevor made themselves available again almost immediately afterwards(Only to resign again after the Hampton Downs round of the Nationals earlier this year)?
Hi Billy,
As far as I am aware they didn't make themselves available after resigning, not even for a hand over briefing.

Paul Searancke

Paul. Get your facts right before you burst forth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you knew a few more facts you might understand the reasons behind my decisions.
When Del was appointed Stewards Commissioner, Jim rang and asked if I would help Del. I said YES. I have NEVER heard from Del.

[Billy]

Hi All,

Just had a call from Jim Tuckerman regarding his availability to answer questions regarding plans and any achievements at MNZ on this site.

The board have decided collectively not too post on this site as sadly they are misquoted and heckled by a select few,Therefore they will only spend more of their valuable time answering mindless,Sensless queries when they really need to be focussed on the job at hand (Their respective positions and tasks at MNZ).

He has asked me to convey to all those with concerns and queries too contact him at presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz where he will answer all relevant questions as quickly and accurately as is humanly possible.

Please remember,If this doesnt work out as you had hoped,DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER.

[White trash]

Paul. Get your facts right before you burst forth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you knew a few more facts you might understand the reasons behind my decisions.
When Del was appointed Stewards Commissioner, Jim rang and asked if I would help Del. I said YES. I have NEVER heard from Del.

Fuck me it's funny when the horses mouth becomes involved and totally shuts down an misinformed argument.

[Biggles08]

So Marcus,Morris,Maurice,Biggles,

Are able to answer this question for me today?Please dont take this as an attack,Rather Im just interested to hear how you'd react.


Which one of my personalities would you like to answer it?

I'm not sure what your point is with this question but yes you are correct I am not the type to sit back and watch the status quo. If I feel I can have some positive input as where I believe it should be, I will make some noise about it (much to the dislike of many on here i may add). In fact, that is what I'm doing here in this thread to a point. I do believe that Motorcycling in NZ is in a poor state considering our product. Maybe I am biased but I find motorcycle racing far more entertaining and 'viewer friendly' than most other forms of motor sports...and unfortunately we are not doing our own sport justice.

[Paul Searancke]

Originally Posted by Billy
Yip,On the money Paul,Is it not true also that Warren and Trevor made themselves available again almost immediately afterwards(Only to resign again after the Hampton Downs round of the Nationals earlier this year)?
Hi Billy,
As far as I am aware they didn't make themselves available after resigning, not even for a hand over briefing.

Paul Searancke

Paul. Get your facts right before you burst forth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you knew a few more facts you might understand the reasons behind my decisions.
When Del was appointed Stewards Commissioner, Jim rang and asked if I would help Del. I said YES. I have NEVER heard from Del.

Hi Warren,
As I said "As far as I am aware". I stand informed and corrected.

Paul Searancke

[scrivy]

Fuck me it's funny when the horses mouth becomes involved and totally shuts down an misinformed argument.

If you look back at my posts too Trashie, you'll see the same thing. Delivery of fact that dispels the bullshit from the very individuals that say we're bagging MNZ.

As per Billys post above, 'The board have decided collectively not too post on this site as sadly they are misquoted and heckled by a select few'

But the MNZ brigade distort and misquote - and quite frankly LIE! But that's ok, because they can, but they know they'll get whipped by the truth - as Bykmad has elaborated too.

If this thread has done anything, it's made everybody aware that if you are in a position of power, you must not abuse that power, and be honest, and accountable. You can rest assured, the truth will always come out.

As you were.

[Paul Searancke]

If you look back at my posts too Trashie, you'll see the same thing. Delivery of fact that dispels the bullshit from the very individuals that say we're bagging MNZ.

As per Billys post above, 'The board have decided collectively not too post on this site as sadly they are misquoted and heckled by a select few'

But the MNZ brigade distort and misquote - and quite frankly LIE! But that's ok, because they can, but they know they'll get whipped by the truth - as Bykmad has elaborated too.

If this thread has done anything, it's made everybody aware that if you are in a position of power, you must not abuse that power, and be honest, and accountable. You can rest assured, the truth will always come out.

As you were.

Scrivy,
Who are you accusing of lying?

Paul Searancke

[Billy]

Which one of my personalities would you like to answer it?
Why,The sensible one of course!

I'm not sure what your point is with this question but yes you are correct I am not the type to sit back and watch the status quo. If I feel I can have some positive input as where I believe it should be, I will make some noise about it (much to the dislike of many on here i may add). In fact, that is what I'm doing here in this thread to a point. I do believe that Motorcycling in NZ is in a poor state considering our product. Maybe I am biased but I find motorcycle racing far more entertaining and 'viewer friendly' than most other forms of motor sports...and unfortunately we are not doing our own sport justice.

The point to the question was,

In an earlier post you suggested I was holding Chris Lawrance completely responsible for the state sidecar racing is in at a National level.

My reply was,Not solely,However Im sure you would have to agree,That as a senior and obviously well respected member of the sidecar racing fraternity AND as I understand it (And Im sure I'll be corrected if Im wrong)Immediate past president of the NZSRA,By not competing at a national level in recent times or making an attempt too rectify the rift in the sidecar fraternity,He has in some way contributed to the state sidecar racing is in today at National level???

Is this how he intends to conduct himself as MNZ president?

[scrivy]

Scrivy,
Who are you accusing of lying?

Paul Searancke

Paul, go back and read the last 51 pages. Therein lies the truth.
You guys make a comment, but then can't back it up with FACT, then mis-quote what others say. Read the posts above. Bykmad made that quite clear.

I said i'll fall on my sword if I'm proven wrong. But haven't been proven wrong yet, and there's been alot of issues raised here.
So that makes your sides fabrication of stories on here absolutely worthless, and factless.


Scrivy

[Str8 Jacket]

I am still at a loss to understand how and why we are still living in the bloody past! Everyone has a past and everyone has fucked someone off at some point of their lives.

What I really want to know is WHO is wanting to put the past behind them and create a better environment. HOW they think that they will do that without anyone banging on about the past and WHY they want to do it. The past is in the past and the past certainly hasn't helped motorcycle racing in NZ to be great so far, has it.

[scrivy]

My reply was,Not solely,However Im sure you would have to agree,That as a senior and obviously well respected member of the sidecar racing fraternity AND as I understand it (And Im sure I'll be corrected if Im wrong)Immediate past president of the NZSRA,By not competing at a national level in recent times or making an attempt too rectify the rift in the sidecar fraternity,He has in some way contributed to the state sidecar racing is in today at National level???

Is this how he intends to conduct himself as MNZ president?

You crack me up Billy!!
Steve Bron resigned from the association, then went and did his own thing! Much to the disapproval of the rest of the NZSRA members. Promising Tuckerman that he'd have the numbers. But didn't! He, not Chris, has put the sidecars in the position they're in. But as I said earlier, the NZSRA sidecar members are growing and moving on with things.

[scrivy]

What I really want to know is WHO is wanting to put the past behind them and create a better environment. HOW they think that they will do that without anyone banging on about the past and WHY they want to do it. The past is in the past and the past certainly hasn't helped motorcycle racing in NZ to be great so far, has it.

Which is exactly what Billy keeps on about. He has a trouble with sidecars, and won't let it go. Trying to blame everyone but the perpertrator.

Chris Lawrance however, is over the 'Haves' in our class, and certainly cares more about our sport as a whole. That is why he doesn't talk about the past on here.

[Str8 Jacket]

Which is exactly what Billy keeps on about. He has a trouble with sidecars, and won't let it go. Trying to blame everyone but the perpertrator.

Chris Lawrance however, is over the 'Haves' in our class, and certainly cares more about our sport as a whole. That is why he doesn't talk about the past on here.

IMO this petty argument started a long time before Billy arrived. Again, don't really care that Mavis hates Betty cause Betty did this which meant Mable did that and then Super fucken gran came in and it goes on and on with no end. Much like THIS discussion.

Motorcycle racers are individualistic, eccentric and every single one of us is a bit nutty. That means that we don't all get along but at the end of the day someone has to be grown up and realise that things are going to change, for the better or the worse. At the end of the day the President has a vote but they also have a committee a president can be strengthened or weakened by them. Alot of us have no idea about either candidate and all this bitching and he said she said is nonsense, it makes younguns take it as a joke and that's where the racing future is, IMO.

This is not an attack on anyone, I am just sick of the bullshit!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Motorcycle racers are individualistic, eccentric and every single one of us is a bit nutty.

Who you calling nutty?

[Str8 Jacket]

Who you calling nutty?

You'd have to have nuts before I could call ya nutty mate!

[Crasherfromwayback]

You'd have to have nuts before I could call ya nutty mate!

Check. Big hairy ones at that.

[wharfy]

I am still at a loss to understand how and why we are still living in the bloody past! Everyone has a past and everyone has fucked someone off at some point of their lives.
.

Of course there is a BIG difference between some fucking you off and fucking you over

Peoples behavior in the past is often a good indication of how they will behave in similar circumstances in the future.

[Biggles08]

The point to the question was,

In an earlier post you suggested I was holding Chris Lawrance completely responsible for the state sidecar racing is in at a National level.

My reply was,Not solely,However Im sure you would have to agree,That as a senior and obviously well respected member of the sidecar racing fraternity AND as I understand it (And Im sure I'll be corrected if Im wrong)Immediate past president of the NZSRA,By not competing at a national level in recent times or making an attempt too rectify the rift in the sidecar fraternity,He has in some way contributed to the state sidecar racing is in today at National level???

Is this how he intends to conduct himself as MNZ president?

I'm still at a loss as to how asking me if I was unhappy with my class of racing if I would stand up and be counted? Are you suggesting Chris hasn't done this in his class?

[Paul Searancke]

Paul, go back and read the last 51 pages. Therein lies the truth.
You guys make a comment, but then can't back it up with FACT, then mis-quote what others say. Read the posts above. Bykmad made that quite clear.

I said i'll fall on my sword if I'm proven wrong. But haven't been proven wrong yet, and there's been alot of issues raised here.
So that makes your sides fabrication of stories on here absolutely worthless, and factless.


Scrivy

I have tried not to personalise any of my comments on here but now you not only accuse me of being on a "side" but also one that fabricates stories.
From your post it appears your opinion is that anyone who is not 100% behind the Elect Chris Lawrance campaign is on the "other side" and a fabricator who's contribution to the debate on here is worthless and factless.
Fortunately there is a real world (not cyber space).

Paul Searancke

[scrivy]

I have tried not to personalise any of my comments on here but now you not only accuse me of being on a "side" but also one that fabricates stories.
From your post it appears your opinion is that anyone who is not 100% behind the Elect Chris Lawrance campaign is on the "other side" and a fabricator who's contribution to the debate on here is worthless and factless.
Fortunately there is a real world (not cyber space).

Paul Searancke

:facepalm::weird:
er..... Paul, get off ya high horse, you have stated a mis-truth on here as posted below. Remember this post made by you? You have come on here and posted that lie (or whatever you want to call it) and made out it was a fact - which it wasn't!! And then you had another member come on here and prove you wrong by stating the fact!!
Hi Billy,
As far as I am aware they didn't make themselves available after resigning, not even for a hand over briefing.

Paul Searancke - a fabricator who's contribution to the debate on here is worthless and factless.


Scrivy

You see Paul, how it looks when you don't tell the truth?
There are no shades of the truth. Its black or white - ain't no grey in sight.

Now, can we stop the attacks on my 'side', and see if this thread can move on?

[Crasherfromwayback]

The horse is dead.

[scrivy]

The horse is dead.

What, no horsepower????

Oh stink!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Flogged it to death.

[jellywrestler]

Everyone has a past and everyone has fucked someone
It's that Red Wine again, I've kept warning people about it!

[Str8 Jacket]

It's that Red Wine again, I've kept warning people about it!

Is that what you were drinking at my 30th??

[prettybillie]

As some of you will know - I've sat in both sides of the sidecar argument. I've had abuse flung at me by NZSRA members and I've had abuse flung at me by non NZSRA members, but through all the garbage that was going on (which to be perfectly honest I know nothing about), Chris Lawrance always made a point of coming and saying hello and asking me how me and my rig were doing. I can honestly say that from what I've experienced first hand I've never been given the impression that Chris was ever involved with what has happened, far less instigated any of it.

As per most of the posts on here - this has just been my experience.

[Billy]

You crack me up Billy!!
Steve Bron resigned from the association, then went and did his own thing! Much to the disapproval of the rest of the NZSRA members. Promising Tuckerman that he'd have the numbers. But didn't! He, not Chris, has put the sidecars in the position they're in. But as I said earlier, the NZSRA sidecar members are growing and moving on with things.

Good of you to answer Morris's questions Scrivy!

Dont see anywhere in the manual where it states you MUST belong too the NZSRA too compete in a sidecar race in NZ,

As I understand it the now disassociated NZSRA was only an affiliated club like say for arguments sake,The Vic club??So does that mean that only Vic club members can do the Actrix series??Jeez Scrivy,I hope not cause otherwise we're gonna have to join a lot of clubs to do the Nationals,AYE!!!

Soooo,I guess assuming you don't need to belong to the NZSRA to race a sidecar in NZ and Steve Bron turned up to do the Nationals and you guys didnt,Then that must mean it was you guys that dragged sidecar racing into the doldrums ????

"You guys" Andrew Scrivener/Steve Bryan,Chris and Richie Lawrance and the rest of the NZSRA members that refused to compete with Steve Bron

[scrivy]

:rolleyes::zzzz:

Oh, billys back...............

Still talking shit.

As you were.
:zzzz:

[Billy]

Which is exactly what Billy keeps on about. He has a trouble with sidecars, and won't let it go.

Not at all Scrivy,

You could talk too the likes of Vince Steur/Dave Beresford,Adam Unsworth/Stu Dawes,Jimmy and Drew Mair,The Graham Brothers,Kevin Maxwell/Tex,Gary West/Robbie Shorter,Karen Yeager,The late Howard Gregory if he were still with us,Rob Hartnell,Mo Haley and the list goes on,All of which I get on with VERY well.

I guess that makes the above statement a lie then does it??

Or is that shit as well???

[old rig]

Good of you to answer Morris's questions Scrivy!

Dont see anywhere in the manual where it states you MUST belong too the NZSRA too compete in a sidecar race in NZ,

As I understand it the now disassociated NZSRA was only an affiliated club like say for arguments sake,The Vic club??So does that mean that only Vic club members can do the Actrix series??Jeez Scrivy,I hope not cause otherwise we're gonna have to join a lot of clubs to do the Nationals,AYE!!!

Soooo,I guess assuming you don't need to belong to the NZSRA to race a sidecar in NZ and Steve Bron turned up to do the Nationals and you guys didnt,Then that must mean it was you guys that dragged sidecar racing into the doldrums ????

"You guys" Andrew Scrivener/Steve Bryan,Chris and Richie Lawrance and the rest of the NZSRA members that refused to compete with Steve Bron

the last line of your post is so so wrong i think you havn't any idea what your talking about

[old rig]

Good of you to answer Morris's questions Scrivy!

Dont see anywhere in the manual where it states you MUST belong too the NZSRA too compete in a sidecar race in NZ,

As I understand it the now disassociated NZSRA was only an affiliated club like say for arguments sake,The Vic club??So does that mean that only Vic club members can do the Actrix series??Jeez Scrivy,I hope not cause otherwise we're gonna have to join a lot of clubs to do the Nationals,AYE!!!

Soooo,I guess assuming you don't need to belong to the NZSRA to race a sidecar in NZ and Steve Bron turned up to do the Nationals and you guys didnt,Then that must mean it was you guys that dragged sidecar racing into the doldrums ????

"You guys" Andrew Scrivener/Steve Bryan,Chris and Richie Lawrance and the rest of the NZSRA members that refused to compete with Steve Bron

also you tell me who said that members refused to compete with steve bron

[Billy]

As some of you will know - I've sat in both sides of the sidecar argument. I've had abuse flung at me by NZSRA members and I've had abuse flung at me by non NZSRA members, but through all the garbage that was going on (which to be perfectly honest I know nothing about), Chris Lawrance always made a point of coming and saying hello and asking me how me and my rig were doing. I can honestly say that from what I've experienced first hand I've never been given the impression that Chris was ever involved with what has happened, far less instigated any of it.

As per most of the posts on here - this has just been my experience.

Really Leanne,

You were abused by members of the NZSRA,Why?I thought all you were doing was trying to participate in a class,I understand the disagreement you had with Steve Bron too a point,But really being abused by the body thats supposed too be fostering the sport smacks of the allegations made against Jim Tuckerman and the board at MNZ.

Fully agree with you re Chris,He is a nice guy and Im sure he has the best interests of the sport at heart,BUT look back through this thread and unfortunately you will see the baggage that comes with him,Mr Scrivener has stated in 1 post how he will have NO input too MNZ then in another states if Hes caught lying(Which Hes done plenty of in this thread,He just chooses not to answer the questions that will expose him)He will fall on his sword.If hes not having any part,Then he doesnt have a sword too fall on,Does he??

[Billy]

also you tell me who said that members refused to compete with steve bron

Well my old china,

Quite apart from the fact its common knowledge,Anybody else remember Sidecar Bobs post in another thread regarding the sandpit experience,When another kid that nodoby likes comes into the sandpit,All the others leave until he goes?Was that not directed at Steve Bron???

[Billy]

the last line of your post is so so wrong i think you havn't any idea what your talking about

Is it?

Have another read,But I'll say it another way so you understand,We'll go back too the sandpit experience mentioned above shall we,Its not he new" kid" that leaves the sandpit and ruins the playground,Its the dummyspitters that run away and hope He'll get sick of playing and go home.

Now,Who left the sandpit,Yes your right,It was those I mentioned in the post you quoted.

GOT IT NOW ????

[Billy]

'viewer friendly' .

Hmmmmm,Thats an interesting quote youve made there Morris,"viewer" Why does that raise alarm bells for me???OH thats right,Now I remember,BUT its a secret isnt it Scrivy and Bob????

Sorry I didnt reply too your post earlier Morris,Maurice,Marcus,But Im sure you would have seen my explanation too your freind Mr Scrivener,That should clear it up for you and "YES" I am campaigning for Jim Tuckerman and the reason is,No matter whether you like him or not,After devoting well over 30 years of his life motorcycling in NZ for little if any gain,He has proved in the last 2 years he has what and who it takes too move the sport forward,While Im sure Chris does also,He has also proven he can take it backwards as well!!!

Sorry Chris if youve had too read any of this,But its fact NOT personal

[prettybillie]

You were abused by members of the NZSRA,Why?I thought all you were doing was trying to participate in a class,I understand the disagreement you had with Steve Bron too a point,But really being abused by the body thats supposed too be fostering the sport smacks of the allegations made against Jim Tuckerman and the board at MNZ.


Sorry, I should have been more clear in my post.....As I said, I've been on both sides of the fence and I agree the NZSRA have some issues they need to deal with, but the other parties in this battle have a lot to answer for as well. Abuse was also slung from the non-NZSRA camp over nothing other than me wanting to ride and not giving a toss who I ride with.

As for people not wanting to play in the sandpit with Bron, I can honestly say that is not 100% true. The fault with all the drama doesn't lay with just the NZSRA or just Bron - there have been a lot of shitty things said and done from both camps, but the point to my post was to say that I've never seen or got the impression that Chris has ever been involved in the shit slinging.

As I said in my last post - this is my personal view / experience / feelings. Others may see things differently to me, but this is what I see.

[Billy]

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my post.....As I said, I've been on both sides of the fence and I agree the NZSRA have some issues they need to deal with, but the other parties in this battle have a lot to answer for as well. Abuse was also slung from the non-NZSRA camp over nothing other than me wanting to ride and not giving a toss who I ride with.

As for people not wanting to play in the sandpit with Bron, I can honestly say that is not 100% true. The fault with all the drama doesn't lay with just the NZSRA or just Bron - there have been a lot of shitty things said and done from both camps, but the point to my post was to say that I've never seen or got the impression that Chris has ever been involved in the shit slinging.

As I said in me last post - this is my personal view / experience / feelings. Others may see things differently to me, but this is what I see.

Thanks for the clarification Leanne,

Like you I also did not say Chris had been involved in any shit slinging,What I have implied is that by not participating at National level himself he has added too the demise of this facet of the sport.

As for the sandpit experience,Well that statement was made by an NZSRA member on this site,NOT ME!!Dont be surprised if that post suddenly disappears if not already,I wouldnt want too upset you mate,But I find it a little hard to believe that you didnt know certain members wer displeased with Steve Brons attendance,You were at Timaru earlier this year and you know who was there supporting the class and who wasn't.

I had an interesting conversation with Adam Unsworth,Stu Dawes and Vince Steur on the ferry heading too round 1 and its interesting too compare stories.

[prettybillie]

Thanks for the clarification Leanne,

Like you I also did not say Chris had been involved in any shit slinging,What I have implied is that by not participating at National level himself he has added too the demise of this facet of the sport.

As for the sandpit experience,Well that statement was made by an NZSRA member on this site,NOT ME!!Dont be surprised if that post suddenly disappears if not already,I wouldnt want too upset you mate,But I find it a little hard to believe that you didnt know certain members wer displeased with Steve Brons attendance,You were at Timaru earlier this year and you know who was there supporting the class and who wasn't.

I had an interesting conversation with Adam Unsworth,Stu Dawes and Vince Steur on the ferry heading too round 1 and its interesting too compare stories.

You wouldn't upset me buddy - this is a forum where everyone is allowed their own opinions and thoughts.

I do know that people were not happy with Bron, but I also know first hand some of the things he has done to upset everyone. There are two sides to every story and the truth usually lays somewhere in the middle.

On this though - there has been a lot of discussion about Nationals on this thread, I am really keen to know what the plans are to support those (large number of people) who are happy to participate at a club level only. MNZ are not just about Nationals (and thankfully not just about sidecars), so what are the plans to support clubs which are the ones that feed into the sport?

[Biggles08]

Really Leanne,
BUT look back through this thread and unfortunately you will see the baggage that comes with him,

Everyone has baggage Billy...even your candidate does as can be seen in this thread also.

I don't think 'having baggage' is really the main issue, its what you do with this baggage that makes or breaks the man. Personally, due ONLY to the experiences I have had with Chris, I have absolutely nothing but respect for Chris Lawrance and the way he has handled 'HIMSELF' over this whole sidecar issue. I can see he is a big enough man to put any 'sour grapes' behind him and as he has said, there are all the classes to consider not just sidecars or road racing.

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree that Jim Tuckerman has done good for MNZ over the last 2 years (some may argue he possibly could have done things better), my only concern going forward is his ability to work as part of 'a team' and this means working through disagreements and sticking to the rules as laid out by MNZ themselves. This is not a shit slinging remark either by the way, this is only my concerns based mainly on the way the whole 'Bryce Meads' episode was handled. Like Bryce or not, he never had a chance of defending himself and personally I find this disturbing in a supposedly democratic system. I will say, I have only heard one side of the story however but I was there at the incident and I know the facts surrounding it. I know Bryce never had a chance to answer any questions regardless of whether MNZ had jurisdiction or not...if they did, he still never had any process followed where he could have had the opportunity to explain his side of the story. Thats not right.

[sidecar bob]

I dont even know what this "sidecar argument" is anymore.
Two years ago we geard ourselves up for two rounds down south, then it was changed to three & because of business & work commitments Andys team & Traceys team pulled out (those are the two that concern me) & couldnt go.
Call it boycotting it if that floats ya boat, i couldnt care less.
We couldnt & didnt go & have had no intention of doing the south since.
Whatever reason some other plonkers give & however they want to sell it to paint us in a bad light, frankly I dont give a shit & im fucked if I know how that makes me look like a spoilt child.
End of story.

[Billy]

Everyone has baggage Billy...even your candidate does as can be seen in this thread also.

I don't think 'having baggage' is really the main issue, its what you do with this baggage that makes or breaks the man. Personally, due ONLY to the experiences I have had with Chris, I have absolutely nothing but respect for Chris Lawrance and the way he has handled 'HIMSELF' over this whole sidecar issue. I can see he is a big enough man to put any 'sour grapes' behind him and as he has said, there are all the classes to consider not just sidecars or road racing.

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree that Jim Tuckerman has done good for MNZ over the last 2 years (some may argue he possibly could have done things better), my only concern going forward is his ability to work as part of 'a team' and this means working through disagreements and sticking to the rules as laid out by MNZ themselves. This is not a shit slinging remark either by the way, this is only my concerns based mainly on the way the whole 'Bryce Meads' episode was handled. Like Bryce or not, he never had a chance of defending himself and personally I find this disturbing in a supposedly democratic system. I will say, I have only heard one side of the story however but I was there at the incident and I know the facts surrounding it. I know Bryce never had a chance to answer any questions regardless of whether MNZ had jurisdiction or not...if they did, he still never had any process followed where he could have had the opportunity to explain his side of the story. Thats not right.

Hey!!You got your old name back lol,

I fully agree with you re the baggage issue and in fact you may have misinterpreted my comment,I wasnt implying Chris himself was carrying any,Rather its the people around him and while Im aware Chris is his "own man" and is his own personality,Im not convinced he will be able to withstand some of the outside influences around him and I think his failure to appear at the Nationals for the last couple of years validates this and atleast try and keep their side of the series running,I may be wrong,Its happened before and Im man enough too admit it.

Yes your right that Jim is a bit of a rough diamond,But you cant say he doesnt let you what hes thinking or if youve annoyed him,Obviuosly not one of his strong points when he deals with MNZ members and I and many others have told him this in the past,However he does have a good team around him and they are moving forward,Some would argue they are not the best people for their respective jobs,But they are the best that have put their hands up and taken the job on with gusto,Food for thought!

Re the Bryce Meads affair,I dont think this was shown in its true light on this site as nobody that I am aware of had BOTH sides of the story at the time the thread was running on here,Bryce was on probation for earlier incidents he been involved in One was where he took Nick Odermatt out at the first round of the Tri series and Jim Tuckerman was present as Clerk of the Course,The second was the Sam Love incident on the long circuit at Manfeild and witnessed by BJ Cawthorn,Regretfully for Bryce this was only brought too MNZs attention by the stewards report after Sam Love stupidly took a physical approach to remedy the situation,The Hampton Downs incident for which Bryce was suspended came to MNZs attention following Craig Shirriffs and others comments on this site in the "Goat of Hampton Downs" thread and the rest is history,Whether Bryce was suspended under the code of conduct clause or the board actioned his probation charge,I dont know,Never asked.However most people would agree Bryce was having some issues with his riding and it was only a matter of time before he hurt or killed himself or someone else as was witnessed at Wanganui on the start/finish straight and it was clear he needed sometime out to think about how he could do things better.Few would disagree he has come back as a much better individual,Maybe not as fast but a better allround rider.I have the utmost respect for anybody running at National level in any class,But more so the 600/Superbike guys,I recognise the commitment,Physically/mentally and financially you guys put in and it would be frustrating if all that is ruined in an instant by somebody who was struggling and pushing beyond their means time and time again,By the same token it would be both negligible and irresponsible of MNZ too turn a blind eye and let it continue,In my opinion the right decision was made and the outcome has proven that.

Thank you for an informative and reasonable response to my post,Hopefully people can atleast make some sense of it and I await your reply Morris,Maurice,Marcus,Biggles.

[Quasievil]

54 pages of readin WTF, I see the discussion is already on its arse with personal agendas and alliances all over it.

My two cents, anyone involved in MNZ currently doesnt get my support, put the same shit in get the same shit out.:yes: get rid of the fossils and get in some marketing people, the sport will always be "wanting" until people start buying tickets to the events, and until people start buying tickets to the events no one will give a poo poo about the sport and there will never be any money in it.

Get the "SHOW" and watch it "GROW"

[prettybillie]

I dont even know what this "sidecar argument" is anymore.
.

I don't think anyone does hunny :woohoo: :yes: :woohoo: :angry: :woohoo: :facepalm: :woohoo: :sick: :woohoo: :innocent:

[rastus]

...Re the Bryce Meads affair,I dont think this was shown in its true light on this site as nobody that I am aware of had BOTH sides of the story at the time the thread was running on here,Bryce was on probation for earlier incidents he been involved in One was where he took Nick Odermatt out at the first round of the Tri series and Jim Tuckerman was present as Clerk of the Course,The second was the Sam Love incident on the long circuit at Manfeild and witnessed by BJ Cawthorn,Regretfully for Bryce this was only brought too MNZs attention by the stewards report after Sam Love stupidly took a physical approach to remedy the situation,The Hampton Downs incident for which Bryce was suspended came to MNZs attention following Craig Shirriffs and others comments on this site in the "Goat of Hampton Downs" thread and the rest is history,Whether Bryce was suspended under the code of conduct clause or the board actioned his probation charge,I dont know,Never asked.However most people would agree Bryce was having some issues with his riding and it was only a matter of time before he hurt or killed himself or someone else as was witnessed at Wanganui on the start/finish straight and it was clear he needed sometime out to think about how he could do things better.
it would be frustrating if all that is ruined in an instant by somebody who was struggling and pushing beyond their means time and time again,By the same token it would be both negligible and irresponsible of MNZ too turn a blind eye and let it continue,In my opinion the right decision was made and the outcome has proven that...

Billy why then are MNZ being irresponsible and turning a blind eye to other incidents.
Look at how many people a red honda rider has taken out this season alone and how many times he has crashed.Wanganui - Hampton Downs and Paeroa all have been on t.v. showing this and we know it happened at other rounds so are MNZ going to stand him down so he can think about his riding also like they did to Byrce Meads

[scott411]

Re the Bryce Meads affair,I dont think this was shown in its true light on this site as nobody that I am aware of had BOTH sides of the story at the time the thread was running on here,Bryce was on probation for earlier incidents he been involved in One was where he took Nick Odermatt out at the first round of the Tri series and Jim Tuckerman was present as Clerk of the Course,The second was the Sam Love incident on the long circuit at Manfeild and witnessed by BJ Cawthorn,Regretfully for Bryce this was only brought too MNZs attention by the stewards report after Sam Love stupidly took a physical approach to remedy the situation,The Hampton Downs incident for which Bryce was suspended came to MNZs attention following Craig Shirriffs and others comments on this site in the "Goat of Hampton Downs" thread and the rest is history,Whether Bryce was suspended under the code of conduct clause or the board actioned his probation charge,I dont know,Never asked.However most people would agree Bryce was having some issues with his riding and it was only a matter of time before he hurt or killed himself or someone else as was witnessed at Wanganui on the start/finish straight and it was clear he needed sometime out to think about how he could do things better.Few would disagree he has come back as a much better individual,Maybe not as fast but a better allround rider.I have the utmost respect for anybody running at National level in any class,But more so the 600/Superbike guys,I recognise the commitment,Physically/mentally and financially you guys put in and it would be frustrating if all that is ruined in an instant by somebody who was struggling and pushing beyond their means time and time again,By the same token it would be both negligible and irresponsible of MNZ too turn a blind eye and let it continue,In my opinion the right decision was made and the outcome has proven that.


the fact that a post on kiwibiker was used in any part of a dicipline hearing or meeting is very disturbing, having been to a motor vehicle dispute with someone who tried to bring in posts of here, the adjudacator quickly dismissed the posts as Hearsey, and would not even read them,

the Fact that Bryce did not get a chance to defend the evidence agaisnt him is a shocking lack of natural justice, if as you say he was on probation (which does not seem to have a lot of back up in the rules or constitution to what it actaully means) he may have go the same suspention,


Yes your right that Jim is a bit of a rough diamond,But you cant say he doesnt let you what hes thinking or if youve annoyed him,Obviuosly not one of his strong points when he deals with MNZ members and I and many others have told him this in the past,However he does have a good team around him and they are moving forward,Some would argue they are not the best people for their respective jobs,But they are the best that have put their hands up and taken the job on with gusto,Food for thought!

this is quite an understatement, he does not "tell people what he is thinking" he has a long history of verbally abusing people or nutting off as you will, and some of the his supporters last time said this has been rectified and he was going to be kept on a short leash, but it seems to have still be too long.

Now i know Jim has done huge amounts for the sport over the years, but i do not think MNZ is as Rosie as you have put it, The Road Race champs may be getting better but their are a lot of other sides of the sport that are not happy with some of hte decisions that the board have made,

Jim may be further disadvantaged over the fact that he is the only one that has an election, where the commisioners are appointed, and the other two board members have been the only ones nominated, the protest vote has only one place to go

[Crasherfromwayback]

this is quite an understatement, he does not "tell people what he is thinking" he has a long history of verbally abusing people or nutting off as you will,


Leopards don't change their spots.

[Billy]

Billy why then are MNZ being irresponsible and turning a blind eye to other incidents.
Look at how many people a red honda rider has taken out this season alone and how many times he has crashed.Wanganui - Hampton Downs and Paeroa all have been on t.v. showing this and we know it happened at other rounds so are MNZ going to stand him down so he can think about his riding also like they did to Byrce Meads

Sorry Mate,

I cant answer that question,I was at all the National points rounds this year and witnessed none of which you have mentioned,That doesnt mean Im implying it didnt happen,I havent seen the coverage from Wanganui or Paeroa either,Probably the best course of action for you would be to contact Jim at presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz and voice your concerns there.Please dont hesitate to post any response you get on this site as Im sure it will be of interest too many,Me included

[Billy]

You wouldn't upset me buddy - this is a forum where everyone is allowed their own opinions and thoughts.

CORRECT

I do know that people were not happy with Bron, but I also know first hand some of the things he has done to upset everyone. There are two sides to every story and the truth usually lays somewhere in the middle.

YIP GOOD POINTS AND I WASNT SUGGESTING STEVE BRON WAS AN ANGEL EITHER AND YOUR POSSIBLY CORRECT REGARDING THE TRUTH

On this though - there has been a lot of discussion about Nationals on this thread, I am really keen to know what the plans are to support those (large number of people) who are happy to participate at a club level only. MNZ are not just about Nationals (and thankfully not just about sidecars), so what are the plans to support clubs which are the ones that feed into the sport?

AGAIN THOSE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO JIM AT presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz

[Billy]

54 pages of readin WTF, I see the discussion is already on its arse with personal agendas and alliances all over it.

My two cents, anyone involved in MNZ currently doesnt get my support, put the same shit in get the same shit out.:yes: get rid of the fossils and get in some marketing people, the sport will always be "wanting" until people start buying tickets to the events, and until people start buying tickets to the events no one will give a poo poo about the sport and there will never be any money in it.

Get the "SHOW" and watch it "GROW"

Yes there are alliances and agendas all over it,But its an open forum and everybodys 2 cents buys the same space.

Good too see youve made a decision,Not sure about the fossils statement though,Is that because theyre all older or because they are not moving forward,Again Im not sure the marketing people would have all that much to work with at the moment,While some of us enjoy watching whats on offer it appears the general public do not,Sidecars have always been a good draw card,But to be honest from where Im standing I think the best thing that could be done would be the introduction of a junior scheme along the lines of the one being run by MCC,It is the biggest contributor too the National level feilds,All the feilds need to be like the Streetstock/Prolite 250 were at Ruapuna this year,There was battling going on right the way through the feild and was much more of a spectacle than the Superbike/600s and the other thing would be the increased costs too have it all promoted properly,More riders= less increased cost per rider,

GROW=SHOW=MORE GROW??

[SWERVE]

Billy why then are MNZ being irresponsible and turning a blind eye to other incidents.
Look at how many people a red honda rider has taken out this season alone and how many times he has crashed.Wanganui - Hampton Downs and Paeroa all have been on t.v. showing this and we know it happened at other rounds so are MNZ going to stand him down so he can think about his riding also like they did to Byrce Meads

Oh so lets have a "witch hunt" for the red honda rider shall we. If you go down at Paeroa or Wanganui theres a fair chance you arnt gonna be alone.
Lets have the list of the "many" other incidents at nats please.
Anyway i thought Honda riders were contracted to fall of regulary.................. but that could be a personal contractual obligation as some do it when they ride a Suzuki too.............. couldn,t resist that...sorry.
Not having a go bud......... i do agree that the "Meads" incident seemed dodgy.
But lets not have it all start again.............. if persons feel grieved by anothers actions they should sort it "in a gentlemans fashion" FIGHT..... no.... joking
or they should officiall file a greivence.

[Billy]

Leopards don't change their spots.

WHAT!!!!!Where do tigers come from then?????

[Crasherfromwayback]

WHAT!!!!!Where do tigers come from then?????

They're just funny coloured Zebra's with claws mate.

[Billy]

They're just funny coloured Zebra's with claws mate.

WHAT!!!!Are you sure cause I always thought Zebras were horses that couldnt decide what colour to wear today!!!Your explanation does sound feasible though

[Crasherfromwayback]

WHAT!!!!Are you sure cause I always thought Zebras were horses that couldnt decide what colour to wear today!!!Your explanation does sound feasible though

Nope. Zebra's are funny coloured Unicorns that've been dehorned.

[Billy]

Nope. Zebra's are funny coloured Unicorns that've been dehorned.

Your just being silly now!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Whaddaya mean now?

[Biggles08]

In my opinion the right decision was made and the outcome has proven that.

That wasn't really my point though Billy. That being the case is irrelevant IMO it was the manner in which the decision was made.

Is there actually even a provision for a 'probation' period in the rules of MNZ? Was he duly notified prior to the Hampton Downs incident of this fact and the duration of it?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend Bryce's riding or even commenting on it...my only concern has always been in the delivery of the verdict and the timing of it. The details were never aired fully on here (in the thread 'The goat of Hampton Downs') and I see no point in doing so now. However, as far as I could see knowing what I do, there was no process followed...and if it was a process that was followed (Lord help us) then it was anything but fair as is claimed by the slogan MNZ has adopted.

Biggles (hehehe...that felt wayyyyy better!)

[jellywrestler]

They're just funny coloured Zebra's with claws mate.
And you probably believe that Dolphins are just Gay Sharks too

[Crasherfromwayback]

And you probably believe that Dolphins are just Gay Sharks too

Dolphins are far stauncher than sharks. You ever seen a shark fuck with an Orca?

[jellywrestler]

Dolphins are far stauncher than sharks. You ever seen a shark fuck with an Orca?

feed one red wine and I reckon it would!

[Billy]

That wasn't really my point though Billy. That being the case is irrelevant IMO it was the manner in which the decision was made.

Is there actually even a provision for a 'probation' period in the rules of MNZ? Was he duly notified prior to the Hampton Downs incident of this fact and the duration of it?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend Bryce's riding or even commenting on it...my only concern has always been in the delivery of the verdict and the timing of it. The details were never aired fully on here (in the thread 'The goat of Hampton Downs') and I see no point in doing so now. However, as far as I could see knowing what I do, there was no process followed...and if it was a process that was followed (Lord help us) then it was anything but fair as is claimed by the slogan MNZ has adopted.

Biggles (hehehe...that felt wayyyyy better!)

Hi Morris...Oops Marcus(sorry slipped out,Its become habit now),

Yes I was aware that the outcome was not the focus of the post,But it does have some relevance,Supposing Bryce were left too sort things out for himself(and Ive said this before)and seriously injured/Killed Himself or another competitor,Then the discission would be completely different wouldnt it?

If you go back through this VERY amusing thread far enough,You'll find a post from Kevin Goddard where he explains that bryce was suspended for breaching the code of conduct,While this is possibly not the fairest process to us as competitors,In this case the means did fit the end,This process was not introduced by the current administration but in this case I feel they used it appropriately.

The action was not instigated on the basis of a hearsay statement made on this site,Rather that statement gave them cause for further investigation and they obtained a statement from a top level Superbike rider that was on track and saw the incident unfold.

Hope this clears the matter up for you.

Talk again soon MOOOREECE.

[Drew]

Sorry Billy, but the handling of Bryce's case was wrong.

By your logic, someone who has shoplifted a few times should be jailed for car conversion if they have a nice car.

Most of the western worlds legal system is built on a very simple premiss, that we are all innocent until proven guilty. Start fucking with that saying that the ends justify the means, and innocent people start getting fucked over.

I fully agree that Bryce was in need of some serious help to get himself in control of his bike, and that the tracks are safer now that he has. But if in any of my many crashes I'd taken someone down with me, and MNZ did the same thing again I'd scream bloody murder.

[Billy]

Sorry Billy, but the handling of Bryce's case was wrong.

By your logic, someone who has shoplifted a few times should be jailed for car conversion if they have a nice car.

Most of the western worlds legal system is built on a very simple premiss, that we are all innocent until proven guilty. Start fucking with that saying that the ends justify the means, and innocent people start getting fucked over.

I fully agree that Bryce was in need of some serious help to get himself in control of his bike, and that the tracks are safer now that he has. But if in any of my many crashes I'd taken someone down with me, and MNZ did the same thing again I'd scream bloody murder.

No need to apologise too anybody on here mate,

Its an open forum and everybodys entitled to an opinion,I did mention in the post that it probably wasnt the fairest way too deal with the situation,But I stand by the statement "the means justify the end" as clearly in this case as they did.

Heres another good example for you,A year or so ago I rang Jim and queried him as to why he wasnt doing anything to stop Sandra Staminova from killing herself or somebody else??The reply was"Cause nobodys laid a complaint and it hasnt been mentioned in any stewards report",8 crashes in 6 winter series meetings(not counting test days)and NO report????

Rather than lay a complaint I contacted Sandra and offered her a FREE ride on a Prolite 250 and some coaching to help her better understand where she was going wrong,Her reply was that she would only take it if she could ride it alongside her superbike,

Moral there is "some people cant see the wood for the trees" and need a more serious approach,Where do you see Bryce fitting in here????

Oh and as I also stated in the post,The current admin did NOT introduce the code of conduct,Rather its a tool they have and I make no apologies to anybody in this case I feel they used it properly.

RE the shoplifting/car conversion statement,I guess that would depend whether they had shoplifted say the tools used for stealing cars and whether they were apprehended in full carpark with no good reason for being there, Bwahahahaahahaha

[sidecar bob]

And yey Jim comits a breach of the code of conduct & nothing gets done about it. Go figure.

[Billy]

And yey Jim comits a breach of the code of conduct & nothing gets done about it. Go figure.

Which was ???

[racer40]

Hi Billy, First up i did do 1 round in the 2010 season, getting 2nd in NZTT, this year i couldnt race until a certain time because of surjury.
I do take things personally with what you are saying, when you dont have the right facts, but im not going to get into that with you on here.
Idont have to race at nationals if i dont want to I have done them about 15 times over the last 23 years.
I think you are making things worse for Jim with all your ranting on here, so just carry on I dont mind LOL . Chris

[sidecar bob]

Which was ???

Being investigated by the Police for an assault wasnt it?
I thought you had read through the thread.
Shouldnt he have at least been been offered anger managment counselling, using the Sandra Stamovia case as a template?
Dont let the facts get in the way of your agenda though.
The one emblazoned across the bottom of your profile.

[White trash]

Being investigated by the Police for an assault wasnt it?

Was he charged?

[Billy]

Hi Billy, First up i did do 1 round in the 2010 season, getting 2nd in NZTT, this year i couldnt race until a certain time because of surjury.
I do take things personally with what you are saying, when you dont have the right facts, but im not going to get into that with you on here.
Idont have to race at nationals if i dont want to I have done them about 15 times over the last 23 years.
I think you are making things worse for Jim with all your ranting on here, so just carry on I dont mind LOL . Chris

Hi Chris,

Thanks for coming on here and giving us your opinion,Im sure you have better things to do with your time as does Jim actually running MNZ and not just talking about it!!

Yes I was aware you had competed at the TT as I too am able to access "mylaps",
Im sure youve heard the expression "1 swallow does NOT make a summer"

Can you please explain too the rest of us,What if anything you have done in the past 2 years as a senior and well respected member of the sidecar fraternity as well as being the immediate past president of the now disassociated NZSRA to ease the rift between some sidecar competitors in nz and MNZ and the sidecar competitors that did try to put on a show for the general public???

And is this how you would handle the difficult issues as MNZ president???

I am aware of the amount of effort you have put into doing the National series pre the period mentioned above,As I have been a competitor and member of MNZ and its predecessor the NZACU since first competing at the now defunct Porrirua Grand Prix in 1971,I think I have as good an idea if not better than most on this site,Whos who and which people are capable.

During that 40 years I have been a close personal friend of the current MNZ president and have observed the total commitment he has had for MNZ/NZACU as a whole for very little return,He is NOT a retired or current when they feel like it competitor,He has devoted a huge part of his life to nurturing a sport he has never had any physical return from and therefore has NO hidden agendas as have been implied by others in this very thread.

Is it not also true that the surgery you mention above was kidney replacement ?

Was this not due too you being diagnosed with renal failure and has been stated in a previous post in this thread continued too compete putting yourself and other competitors/spectators at risk in the case of loss of consciouness while operating your machine,We have all seen the evidence of the effects of renal failure in Jonah Lomu,I would suggest he is a much bigger/stronger and fitter individual than yourself and he clearly couldnt deal with it.

Is it not your responsibility as a competitor to notify MNZ through your medical practitioner if or when circumstances arise medically that may impede your ability too control a machine safely?In fact let me answer that for you"Yes" and its on the MNZ licence application form we all fill out when applying for a licence.

Did you or your medical practitioner notify MNZ immediately you were diagnosed?or is it fact the current MNZ president had too make contact with you on this matter and is this the type of transperency Mr Scrivener speaks of ??

Is it also true you intend to run the roadrace National series in the same manner you have become accustomed to with the TRRS whereby it has been stated by both Sidecar Bob and scrivy it runs at a loss ???

Is it also true as stated by Mr Scrivener in an earlier post in this thread that there have been No new entrants too the NZSRA in the past 2 years only 1 renewal and 2 teams that MIGHT by a rig after the next Have A Go day??

If this is seen too be fact,I find it disturbing that you can claim you will be increasing the numbers at National Level when you cant rally the troops in sidecar racing alone!

As a comparison,I have singlehandedly introduced 4 new entrants at club level,Rachel Price,Astrid Hartnell,Simon Vollmer and the late Tim Porter,
(It should be noted here Rachel had competed a couple of times previous but had no immediate avenue to further compete until I contacted her)
Moved Simon on to participate at National level in the new Prolite 250 class as well as introduced at National level the following,Alex Bowers,Paul Billington,Sarah Elliot.

Surely that leaves the NZSRAs attempts over the past 2 years too be wanting???

I have not seen anywhere,You have stated how you will improve the situation re Junior training and entry level coaching and nurturing as has been evident in the South Island in recent years and is clearly the best way of increasing sustainable grid numbers and growing the sport,

What are your plans here??

I am aware the current board and commission have some big plans in this area especially the 13-15 year old age bracket targeted by Peter Jones and MCC.

Can you give the members a guarantee that Messrs Scrivener and Bryan will hold NO position of power with in the organisation and that you will not be influenced in anyway by their destructive approach too the sport ??

Finally,If you have taken my comments on here personally then I am saddened,It was however in some cases the only way too get my point across without one on one dialogue,Or too put it another way,Dealing with the dogs and not the owner,

"Who let the dogs out"Make an excellent song that!!

[Billy]

Being investigated by the Police for an assault wasnt it?
I thought you had read through the thread.
Shouldnt he have at least been been offered anger managment counselling, using the Sandra Stamovia case as a template?
Dont let the facts get in the way of your agenda though.
The one emblazoned across the bottom of your profile.

I would have thought you could work that out your self Steve,

Being accused of anything is not good reason for a code of conduct charge,

As Jim was consequently not charged in relation and the complaint was found too be wanting in substance and the complaintant/Witness statements could not be corroborated,Hmmmm Funny that!!

Using the Sandra Staminova case as a template,Care too elaborate Steve??

Yes Jim is the man lets get him re-elected!!

[Billy]

Was he charged?

No Jimmy,He was not,As above.

[scott411]

Is it also true you intend to run the roadrace National series in the same manner you have become accustomed to with the TRRS whereby it has been stated by both Sidecar Bob and scrivy it runs at a loss ???


since when has its been the presidents job to run the road race series? isn't that the job of the commissioners at present,


also on the medical history, does the president take a personal look at all medical files of all 5000 members????? he must be a busy man if he does,

[White trash]

No Jimmy,He was not,As above.

So if he was investigated, and there was found to be no case to answer, why is this "assault" even being brought up in this argument?

Having been "investigated" by CYFS for the level of care myself and my ex-wife were providing for our then 16 month old first daughter was the most horrifying and stressfull time of my life. Thankfully CYFS saw the complaint for what it actually was and responded to the complainent the findings of their month long investigation. They also made sure to mention that any future malicious complaints against us would be forwarded to the police and action taken. Luckily for me, the incident doesn't keep popping into online forum posts (until now) and haunting me for absolutely no reason.

[Billy]

since when has its been the presidents job to run the road race series? isn't that the job of the commissioners at present,

YES THATS CORRECT SCOTT,I WAS JUST ASKING CHRIS IN REPLY TOO HIS EARLIER POST WITH HIS PLANS FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

also on the medical history, does the president take a personal look at all medical files of all 5000 members????? he must be a busy man if he does,

I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THE PRESIDENT LOOKS AT ALL COMPETITORS MEDICAL RECORDS,PROBABLY NEED TO CONTACT JIM FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION.

presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz

Is it not OK to ask a candidate questions? and why have you not picked the rest of the post to bits??

[scrivy]

If you go back through this VERY amusing thread far enough,You'll find a post from Kevin Goddard where he explains that bryce was suspended for breaching the code of conduct,While this is possibly not the fairest process to us as competitors,In this case the means did fit the end,This process was not introduced by the current administration but in this case I feel they used it appropriately.
Not the fairest?? But MNZ's mission statement is to be FAIR is it not??


The action was not instigated on the basis of a hearsay statement made on this site,Rather that statement gave them cause for further investigation and they obtained a statement from a top level Superbike rider that was on track and saw the incident unfold.
So.... action was taken against Bryce from a statement taken from a top level superbike rider. I guess thats more important than getting both sides of the story eh? Yet Tuckerman walked scott free from any disciplinary action from the Board. Why is that?? The police decided there was enough merit in the statements to investigate - and there was no wanting in witness statements as decribed by you billy. You just added that in there to deflect the problem. But it's bullshit.

Now lets see if Tuckerman should have been suspended by the Board. Or at least given a written warning.
Code of conduct offences:
(i) Threatening, abusing and/or assaulting any other member, competitor, MNZ or member club’s officers or officials (including stewards), MNZ staff members, other member’s guests, and/or spectators.
WELL, YES HE DID BREACH.

(ii) Any obnoxious, anti-social or criminal behavior, including using obscene language or gestures. No member may make any discriminatory, derogatory, or abusive comment about any other member, competitor, MNZ or member club’s officers or officials (including stewards), MNZ staff members, other member’s guest, and/or spectator.
WELL, YES HE DID BREACH.

(vii) Racial, sexual or other improper harassment of any other member or person.
WELL, YES HE DID BREACH.

(xii) Any act which is likely to diminish the good reputation of MNZ, its members (including any club), Officers, staff, or other officials.
WELL, YES HE DID BREACH.

And last, but not least,
• Staying cool – no matter what happens


Moral there is "some people cant see the wood for the trees" and need a more serious approach
So why didn't the Board take action then??




Sorry Billy, but the handling of Bryce's case was wrong.
Most of the western worlds legal system is built on a very simple premiss, that we are all innocent until proven guilty. Start fucking with that saying that the ends justify the means, and innocent people start getting fucked over.

Clearly, the MNZ Board acted very heavy handed, and as mentioned above, very double standard too. If they were to use the Code of conduct rule, then surely a warning or fine was satisfactory?? With a proviso that next time you're suspended!
This rule is an open ended invitation for the Board to do whatever the hell they want with only 1 persons input/statement (and no right of reply for the defendant). THAT is very UNFAIR.
I can see further cases going to the sports tribunal, costing MNZ lots of money in the process.



Its an open forum and everybodys entitled to an opinion,I did mention in the post that it probably wasnt the fairest way too deal with the situation,But I stand by the statement "the means justify the end" as clearly in this case as they did.
So you think shooting all burglars will stop burglary too?? PMSL!!



Being accused of anything is not good reason for a code of conduct charge,
But the Board did just that against Bryce! The rule is flawed as it does not allow dialogue from the affected party at all. Judge, jury and executioner springs to mind!

As Jim was consequently not charged in relation and the complaint was found too be wanting in substance and the complaintant/Witness statements could not be corroborated,Hmmmm Funny that!!
Very funny indeed Billy!! The police would not have investigated it if there was deficiencies in the statements offered!!!! Think about it dude!! That's just your slant again Billy.

Jim is the man. Yes he is, the man with an anger management problem with threats against several members and their teams. Yet the Board have taken NO disciplinary action at all against him, knowing he is bringing MNZ into disrepute. You would have at least thought a warning to rein him in, or an anger management coure???!!! Lets get him ousted, and some respectability back into our sport!!

[scrivy]

So if he was investigated, and there was found to be no case to answer, why is this "assault" even being brought up in this argument?


'No case to answer' are not the words from the police Trashie. Those were Billys.

Why is this being brought up?? Because Jim has, is, and always will be a bully to our members. Should we let this continue??
And more importantly, should the Board?

Scrivy

[sidecar bob]

Using the Sandra Staminova case as a template,Care too elaborate Steve??



Ok, I thought it was obvious, but let me spell it out.
You implied that Sandra was having some difficulties with her superbike as best I can tell, so you offererd her a go on a Hyosung 250 to help her along her way (Christ only knows how that was going to help, but a noble gesture on your part none the less)
Jim was having difficulty managing his anger & I guess, using the same set of ideals, he should have been offered some kind of assistance for his issues too.

[Billy]

Clearly, the MNZ Board acted very heavy handed, and as mentioned above, very double standard too. If they were to use the Code of conduct rule, then surely a warning or fine was satisfactory?? With a proviso that next time you're suspended!
This rule is an open ended invitation for the Board to do whatever the hell they want with only 1 persons input/statement (and no right of reply for the defendant). THAT is very UNFAIR.
I can see further cases going to the sports tribunal, costing MNZ lots of money in the process.


Yes,Andrew,I have not shyed away from the fact that using the code of conduct in this manner is not the most satisfying outcome and I see your point regarding further court actions,However how many chances should Bryce have been afforded?

Case 1 Manfeild round 1 of the tri series he was clearly seen too take Nick Odermatt out at turn one,Witnessed by a number of people including clerk of the course Jim Tuckerman.

Case 2 Actrix series long circuit at Manfeild same action again only this time the rider affected was Sam Love but witnessed by BJ Cawthorn and mentioned in the stewards report

Case 3 Wanganui the tri series and he took himself and narrowly missed another rider coming over the bridge witnessed by thousands

Case 4 the Hampton Downs incident witnessed by a top level superbike competitor who took the trouble too supply a statement too MNZ.

All 4 of these incidents appear too be major brain explosions,Not racing incidents,

I could understand you being so fervant on this matter if it were over something more trivial,But I was in your pit area and saw your reaction when Derek Hill and Phil Harrison were killed at Pukekohe and you like the rest of us were shaken too the core and if you cant see that the board made the right decision here then Im shocked.

SAFE removing impending danger from other competitors,

FUN how can it have been fun for the other supersport competitors wondering who was next to be taken out

FAIR for all competitors in a race,Not just one.

Again,I dont condone the method here,But its in the manual/was not introduced by the current board just too get rid of Bryce,But Im sure most would agree the outcome has been admirable for most involved including Bryce.






Jim is the man. Yes he is, the man with an anger management problem with threats against several members and their teams.

If as you have stated Jim has breached the code on 5 seperate occasions are you able too supply the list of complainants and a copy of any correspondence relating too these complaints,

RE the police investigation over the assault charge.

The police are obliged too investigate any complaint made too them to a point where they can make a decision whether to prosecute.In this case they decided not to pursue laying charges as there was no physical evidence of an assault taking place and the witness/complainants statements did not match up,

Had Jim been charged in relation too this matter I would be right behind you in demanding he be charged with breaching the code of conduct and Im sure the rest of the board would have also.

[scrivy]

Is it also true as stated by Mr Scrivener in an earlier post in this thread that there have been No new entrants too the NZSRA in the past 2 years only 1 renewal and 2 teams that MIGHT by a rig after the next Have A Go day??
See Billy, you're caught lying again!! Where did I say we hadn't had any growth in the past 2 years?? You got Bronchitis?? Read my post #609 again, and tell me where I said that! You're a compulsive liar Billy!!


Can you give the members a guarantee that Messrs Scrivener and Bryan will hold NO position of power with in the organisation and that you will not be influenced in anyway by their destructive approach too the sport ??

Also, as I stated in post #609:
Im not up for election, Chris Lawrance is. Remember, I just nominated him.
I will have no input what so ever into the running of MNZ (nor do I wish to), as I won't be part of the crew of officials, board, commissioners etc. As mentioned on KB, the president only has 1 vote, I can hardly see how I can do anything from the outside Billy. Please don't try to mislead people.

[Billy]

Ok, I thought it was obvious, but let me spell it out.
You implied that Sandra was having some difficulties with her superbike as best I can tell, so you offererd her a go on a Hyosung 250 to help her along her way (Christ only knows how that was going to help, but a noble gesture on your part none the less)

Thats easy,Give her some back to basics training at a slower speed with the help of Glen Williams or Brian Bernard then put her back on a superbike when shes mastered the art of motorcycle racing a bit more,Still what would I know eh!!

Jim was having difficulty managing his anger & I guess, using the same set of ideals, he should have been offered some kind of assistance for his issues too.

Yip,Got it now

[Billy]

Also, as I stated in post #609:
Im not up for election, Chris Lawrance is. Remember, I just nominated him.
I will have no input what so ever into the running of MNZ (nor do I wish to), as I won't be part of the crew of officials, board, commissioners etc. As mentioned on KB, the president only has 1 vote, I can hardly see how I can do anything from the outside Billy. Please don't try to mislead people.

And there it is,Back too the shit slinging and fingerpointing,

Jeez scrivy,Almost had a reasoned argument with you there,Whoa is me

I did leave one part of your answer out,Something about a trip to Aus wasnt it.

[scrivy]

Had Jim been charged in relation too this matter I would be right behind you in demanding he be charged with breaching the code of conduct and Im sure the rest of the board would have also.
So, several witness statements by MNZ members was not satisfactory against Jim, but 1 top level superbike riders statement was in Bryce's case of code of conduct breach??? Is that fair Billy??
In any case, the MNZ Board should have disciplined Jim for bringing MNZ into disrepute, as clearly this was not the first threat of violence from Jim to members.

[scrivy]

And there it is,Back too the shit slinging and fingerpointing,
Jeez scrivy,Almost had a reasoned argument with you there,Whoa is me
I did leave one part of your answer out,Something about a trip to Aus wasnt it.

You're too hard to argue with Billy, as you're either not rational, or have a bad memory.
When I say black, you hear white.

You said we hadn't had growth, that's a lie - we have, and I never said we hadn't.

I say I don't want a role in MNZ - and you say I'm finger pointing and shit slinging??? WTF??

I was trying to understand why you are so afraid of me Billy, but then I realised, that you know I speak the truth, and will catch you out with your made up lies, and mis-quotes.

Lets keep it honest now eh Billy.

[scrivy]

Geez Billy, we're both passionate about our sport, and both don't take kindly to attacks on our sport.
Imagine if we could combine those passions for our sport - what great things could come of it!!!

.........and no Spyda, I don't mean sexual passions.......................

[Billy]

'No case to answer' are not the words from the police Trashie. Those were Billys.

Yes they are my words,But you could prove me wrong by posting up the copy of the police report you claim to have.

As you were Jimmy,NO CHARGES WERE LAID.

Why is this being brought up?? Because Jim has, is, and always will be a bully to our members. Should we let this continue??
And more importantly, should the Board?



Scrivy

So are you suggesting the board should go as well now Scrivy?Or is this the part where you fess up and admit you dont really give a rodents rectum what happens after the election,So long as Jim is no longer President cause you didnt get your own way??????

[sidecar bob]

Quote Billy. Thats easy,Give her some back to basics training at a slower speed with the help of Glen Williams or Brian Bernard then put her back on a superbike when shes mastered the art of motorcycle racing a bit more,Still what would I know eh!! Quote Billy.



Dead serious question Billy, why was Bryce Meads not offered the same treatment?

[scrivy]

So are you suggesting the board should go as well now Scrivy?Or is this the part where you fess up and admit you dont really give a rodents rectum what happens after the election,So long as Jim is no longer President cause you didnt get your own way??????
I never said the Board should go. I am merely stating that Kevin G reiterates that Jim only has 1 vote, and the board have 4, but still chose to do nothing to help Jim with his problem. They should have afforded him some help with his known anger problem!
I haven't said anywhere that the Board should go Billy (look back at my posts), but others on here certainly have!!
I will say this though, Chris can work with anyone.
And yes, I do care what happens to our sport. And yes I do want to see changes to communication, transparency etc. that the Board aren't doing now.
Is that a crime of mine to wish for?? Jim bullies members, and by the obvious looks of it, the Board members too.

Please don't accuse me of a hidden agenda for trying to remove Jim. I just want a respectful leader of our sport that everyone can look up to.
Now, what agenda did Jim have for being President apart from solely removing the CEO and Sandra?

........and as for the 'no charges were laid'........... no they weren't, but can you state what was described by the police??? Ya gotta hear this............

[Billy]

Quote Billy. Thats easy,Give her some back to basics training at a slower speed with the help of Glen Williams or Brian Bernard then put her back on a superbike when shes mastered the art of motorcycle racing a bit more,Still what would I know eh!! Quote Billy.



Dead serious question Billy, why was Bryce Meads not offered the same treatment?

I have no idea,I wasnt aware of any action or communication between Bryce and MNZ until I saw it on this site and by then he was already suspended,

I just happened too be in Auckland picking up a bike for a mate from Wellington on the day the suspension was issued and got lost at the bottom of Queen St so rang Jim for directions and got some of the story then.

I for one would have been only too happy to have helped him if I couldve.

[Quasievil]

i Say Vote for me !!:yes:
How do I get nominated ???

First thing I will do is remove all motorcycles from motorcycle racing, suspend everyone and close down all the tracks.
After a year when you all realise that your oh so lucky and wondered what all the bitching was about, I will restart it all again under a new regime of rule that will blow the wheels of anything ever done before:facepalm:.

So how do I get Nominated ?

[sidecar bob]

I have no idea,I wasnt aware of any action or communication between Bryce and MNZ until I saw it on this site and by then he was already suspended,

I just happened too be in Auckland picking up a bike for a mate from Wellington on the day the suspension was issued and got lost at the bottom of Queen St so rang Jim for directions and got some of the story then.

I for one would have been only too happy to have helped him if I couldve.

With your passion for the sport (& nobody can fault you on that one) I seriously believe you would have helped him.
Sad then that he was chucked on his ear without any consultation with you, as you say Jim did regarding the Sandra situation.
Another double standard clearly demonstrated by the powers that be.

[scrivy]

After a year when you all realise that your oh so lucky and wondered what all the bitching was about, I will restart it all again under a new regime of rule that will blow the wheels of anything ever done before:facepalm:.


I can wait a year!
What will the new regime consist of??
:woohoo:

[Billy]

'No case to answer' are not the words from the police Trashie. Those were Billys.

Why is this being brought up?? Because Jim has, is, and always will be a bully to our members. Should we let this continue??
And more importantly, should the Board?

Scrivy

No Scrivy,Those are NOT my words,They were Jimmys.

NOW WHOS LYING??????

And this was being brought up in reply too Sidecar Bobs question.

[Billy]

So, several witness statements by MNZ members was not satisfactory against Jim, but 1 top level superbike riders statement was in Bryce's case of code of conduct breach??? Is that fair Billy??
In any case, the MNZ Board should have disciplined Jim for bringing MNZ into disrepute, as clearly this was not the first threat of violence from Jim to members.


The question asked Scrivy was,If you can supply us with the names of the complainants and any relevant literature you have too back it up And again a copy of the police report you have

[Quasievil]

I can wait a year!
What will the new regime consist of??
:woohoo:

Ummmmm More grid Girls, bigger parties ummmmm more side cars ????

[Billy]

Also, as I stated in post #609:
Im not up for election, Chris Lawrance is. Remember, I just nominated him.
I will have no input what so ever into the running of MNZ (nor do I wish to), as I won't be part of the crew of officials, board, commissioners etc. As mentioned on KB, the president only has 1 vote, I can hardly see how I can do anything from the outside Billy. Please don't try to mislead people.

No Scrivy,Not me lying here,I never said NO GROWTH,I quoted you reply of 1 new renewal too the NZSRA and 2 teams that MIGHT buy a rig after the have a go day

[scrivy]

No Scrivy,Those are NOT my words,They were Jimmys.

NOW WHOS LYING??????

And this was being brought up in reply too Sidecar Bobs question.
'No case to answer for' in relation to Jimmys post. It was a metaphor Billy. But as you said below.


As Jim was consequently not charged.........


No Jimmy,He was not,As above.

[Tony.OK]

Ummmmm More grid Girls, bigger parties ummmmm more side cars ????

Just have a grid girl nationals Brett, wet tee comps, jelly wrestling etc etc..............................i'm sure no one would notice there was no racing of any sort:woohoo::woohoo:

That'd win my vote...........only thing you'd need to organise would be a conference for "how to be a better homemaker" for the partners at the same time:innocent:











Yes I am joking ladies and sensitive males.................i'm not a sexist............just nearly old enough to be called a dirty old coote!

[Billy]

'No case to answer for' in relation to Jimmys post. It was a metaphor Billy. But as you said below.


Yip,I get it loud and clear as do many others,

When you cock up its a mistake,But for anybody else its a lie,LOUD AND CLEAR!!!

[scrivy]

Is it also true as stated by Mr Scrivener in an earlier post in this thread that there have been No new entrants too the NZSRA in the past 2 years only 1 renewal and 2 teams that MIGHT by a rig after the next Have A Go day??


No Scrivy,Not me lying here,I never said NO GROWTH,I quoted you reply of 1 new renewal too the NZSRA and 2 teams that MIGHT buy a rig after the have a go day

:facepalm::no: Billy, just give up man. Read your top post!!
You did say it, and I never did!!

Oh, as for the 1 new renewal - again, I didn't say that was all we had either - you said that Billy.
I said we had a Non NZSRA (that competes currently) member coming back to join us.

How did you lose that in translation??

Those damn drugs do fark up your mind afterall............ LOL!!

[scrivy]

That'd win my vote...........only thing you'd need to organise would be a conference for "how to be a better homemaker" for the partners at the same time:innocent:

Yes I am joking ladies and sensitive males.................i'm not a sexist............just nearly old enough to be called a dirty old coote!

What about a cooking exhibition then???

[Tony.OK]

What about a cooking exhibition then???

Aye what?????

Are wives meant to be able to cook as well? Holy crap I've been missing out for over 10 years then...........:shit:

Maybe there is merit in my idea after all :yes:

[scrivy]

Aye what?????

Are wives meant to be able to cook as well? Holy crap I've been missing out for over 10 years then...........:shit:

Maybe there is merit in my idea after all :yes:

I heard they're supposed to have sex with their partners too!!!! :shutup:

[Shaun]

i Say Vote for me !!:yes:
How do I get nominated ???

First thing I will do is remove all motorcycles from motorcycle racing, suspend everyone and close down all the tracks.
After a year when you all realise that your oh so lucky and wondered what all the bitching was about, I will restart it all again under a new regime of rule that will blow the wheels of anything ever done before:facepalm:.

So how do I get Nominated ?



I VOTED for you pages ago dude

[Tony.OK]

I heard they're supposed to have sex with their partners too!!!! :shutup:

Jesus H Christ!!!!!!!!

Man when she comes in from re paving the driveway and clearing a spot in the shed for the new bike we are going to have a serious sit down.................:argue: she'll prob tell me to go :tugger: myself as per usual :laugh:

[scrivy]

Jesus H Christ!!!!!!!!

Man when she comes in from re paving the driveway and clearing a spot in the shed for the new bike we are going to have a serious sit down.................:argue: she'll prob tell me to go :tugger: myself as per usual :laugh:

Is this talk going to be after she's cleaned the toilet and done the ironing??
Make sure its after dinner, 'cause you don't want any 'foreign objects' in your food.............
:love:

[Tony.OK]

Is this talk going to be after she's cleaned the toilet and done the ironing??
Make sure its after dinner, 'cause you don't want any 'foreign objects' in your food.............
:love:

Haha now you're just making shit up from fairyland............ironing! ha!





ps......don't say a fucking word to her about this at the "have a go day" or I'll pee in your gas tank hahahaaaa!!!!!

[scrivy]

Haha now you're just making shit up from fairyland............ironing! ha!





ps......don't say a fucking word to her about this at the "have a go day" or I'll pee in your gas tank hahahaaaa!!!!!

Its true!!! Right after she's made the bed.............

[Billy]

:facepalm::no: Billy, just give up man. Read your top post!!
You did say it, and I never did!!

Oh, as for the 1 new renewal - again, I didn't say that was all we had either - you said that Billy.
I said we had a Non NZSRA (that competes currently) member coming back to join us.

How did you lose that in translation??

Those damn drugs do fark up your mind afterall............ LOL!!

Oh Come on now Scrivy,Stop being silly,Go back and reread your whole post no 609
where you clearly were answering my query as to growth in the NZSRA,that it was moving forward asYou had one team that had done the Nationals RE ENTERING the NZSRA,Doesnt that imply they had been members previously????you then went onto state you had 2 more teams that might purchase rigs after the have a go day and mention the aussie trip,That was your answer in total,On that basis if you have a team re entering then you have no more NEW entrants.Right???

Or is that another of your Absolutely/positively, Im not lying metaphors????

Drugs Scrivy,Really?????Anybody who knows me would be aware of my hatred for anything other than Alcohol,No drugs here sorry,Ask some of the sidecar members I mentioned in an earlier post,BILLY DOES NOT DO DRUGS clear enough??

[jellywrestler]

Hi Chris,

"1 swallow does NOT make a summer"


Mate I'm 48 years old, at my age I tell ya that WOULD make my summer!

[gixerracer]

BILLY DOES NOT DO DRUGS clear enough??

No but he does enjoy smoking the od cock:shit:

[jellywrestler]

You implied that Sandra was having some difficulties with her superbike as best I can tell, so you offererd her a go on a Hyosung 250 to help her along her way (Christ only knows how that was going to help, but a noble gesture on your part none the less)

Bob, you on the Heinekins already!
It's called race craft, it's why the guys at MOTO GP have come up though the ranks more often than not from 125's.
Fuck me, at least the guy took a look at how she was riding and offered a solution that he thought might do something to help her riding and save her (hot little) arse too.

[White trash]

BILLY DOES NOT DO DRUGS clear enough??

No but he does enjoy smoking the od cock:shit:

That's the pot calling the poor old kettle a nigger right there...............

[jellywrestler]

Geez Billy, we're both passionate about our sport, and both don't take kindly to attacks on our sport.
Imagine if we could combine those passions for our sport - what great things could come of it!!!

.........and no Spyda, I don't mean sexual passions.......................

I was all on till the last line Scrivy.
The Kitchen Bitch is out tonight so I'm two people short of a threesome too.
Could you picture it, Billy with all his Tatts would be a 'scenic route' and you'd be John Cleese in any one of his appearances!
Never mind, I'm playing hard to get so as you were...

[scrivy]

Never mind, I'm hard ....

Spyda, at 48, do you get hard????

[Billy]

Spyda, at 48, do you get hard????

WHY????Is Craig too busy tonight?

[Str8 Jacket]

Dear God, Jellywrestling has never been so ugly!!! :facepalm:

[jellywrestler]

Spyda, at 48, do you get hard????
Harder than a Witches Tit...

[scrivy]

Oh Come on now Scrivy,Stop being silly,Go back and reread your whole post no 609

Post 609:
Hi Billy,
Sorry to hear you have it in for Chris. Exactly what is it that he's done to you for you to hate him so much??
As for hating me, well you've made your point there! I still don't know what I've done to you personally, but that's your call.
As mentioned before in this thread, our sport is growing, and 2 more teams are looking at buying chairs at the 'Have-a-go day' on May 1st. We also had 8 teams compete in Aussie with elations from the crews that couldn't afford to do it at any other time. That was a plus. And before you say they should have been racing in NZ, they chose the damn-near once in a lifetime trip over the Nats. They weren't forced into going by anyone. I guess thats one way Chris has helped out 'Club level' riders too. Oh, and one of the sidecar teams that raced in the Nats, has just rejoined the NZSRA. That's another positive step for the NZSRA.


where you clearly were answering my query as to growth in the NZSRA,that it was moving forward asYou had one team that had done the Nationals RE ENTERING the NZSRA,Doesnt that imply they had been members previously????you then went onto state you had 2 more teams that might purchase rigs after the have a go day and mention the aussie trip,That was your answer in total,On that basis if you have a team re entering then you have no more NEW entrants.Right???
WTF???? One member rejoining the NZSRA is another member in the NZSRA, or am I lost somewhere?? Or do you not fathom it??
That wasn't my total answer (and again you have summised), I said (on the 2nd paragraph top line) that 'our sport is growing'. I didn't say how many numbers or members at all. Actually, can you give me the numbers of our members and competitors, 'cause your pretty vocal about our association, but don't have the facts do you.

Or is that another of your Absolutely/positively, Im not lying metaphors????
You got it wrong again Billy. You assume everytime.

Drugs Scrivy,Really?????Anybody who knows me would be aware of my hatred for anything other than Alcohol,No drugs here sorry,Ask some of the sidecar members I mentioned in an earlier post,BILLY DOES NOT DO DRUGS clear enough??

Great!!! That's another thing we have in common!!! I oppose drugs too!!


Scrivy

[scrivy]

WHY????Is Craig too busy tonight?

Well I was told you weren't.................
:whistle:

[sidecar bob]

Bob, you on the Heinekins already!
It's called race craft, it's why the guys at MOTO GP have come up though the ranks more often than not from 125's.

Duuude, I know exactly what it is, but the gloves were off & ya know, you gotta grab any lump of wood thats lying around to hit a bloke with. Its part of the entertainment we aim to provide.
Im sure Billy's having a chuckle about the whole circus too & I applaud him for his efforts.
Its not often we get to do this, so may as well enjoy it.

[scrivy]

Bob, you on the Heinekins already!


Define already......................

[Billy]

Great!!! That's another thing we have in common!!! I oppose drugs too!!


Scrivy

OK To sum up,A member that has left the association and come back is not a new entrant too the sport??Or to put it more simply for you If youve got 2 apples in your left hand and 1 apple in your right hand,Then you move the one from the right hand and place it in your left hand,You still only have 3 apples,Got it now??

In fact you have actually decreased the number of sidecars participating at the Nationals if this team decide too stay away like a big percentage of the association have to date.

Also if that wasnt the full answer in post 609,Why bother with half an answer,You need to learn too explain yourself fully and if your so against drugs as you claim,What is it you claim to be growing in the afforementioned post????

Oh and it wasnt an assumption it was a question,Hence the question marks at the end.

[suzuki21]

No way we should have childish bitches who race three wheelers in control of a mainly MX and solo sport. To be honest why dont they start their own exclusive group (oh they allready have) and fuck off and have their own nationals, oh thats right the entries wouldnt even cover buying lunch for the marshalls. Or maybe they race with the cars as they have wankey "Im to good to race against you" attitudes too.

[Shaun]

No way we should have childish bitches who race three wheelers in control of a mainly MX and solo sport. To be honest why dont they start their own exclusive group (oh they allready have) and fuck off and have their own nationals, oh thats right the entries wouldnt even cover buying lunch for the marshalls. Or maybe they race with the cars as they have wankey "Im to good to race against you" attitudes too.


Sidecars are great mate, but just like the rest of scenarios in life, often a few APPLES ROT the whole box out

[scott411]

No way we should have childish bitches who race three wheelers in control of a mainly MX and solo sport. To be honest why dont they start their own exclusive group (oh they allready have) and fuck off and have their own nationals, oh thats right the entries wouldnt even cover buying lunch for the marshalls. Or maybe they race with the cars as they have wankey "Im to good to race against you" attitudes too.

under that guise, it really should be a dirt bike rider that is president, as according to a board member in this thread the are 75% of the riders,

in the end you have two poeple to vote for, choose the one that you think is best,

[White trash]

No way we should have childish bitches who race three wheelers in control of a mainly MX and solo sport.

Ummm, because there were only two who bothered being nominated for the job? If you don't like a sidecar candidate in the running, you could always have nominated one of your nigel no-mates solo riders for the job.

As for MX dominated, I've asked 7 MX riding licence holders in the past two days if they'd received their voting papers and what their thoughts on the candidates was. Overwelmingly, the response thus far has been "Oh I don't give a fuck about that politics crap"......

[sidecar bob]

Sidecars are great mate, but just like the rest of scenarios in life, often a few APPLES ROT the whole box out

Thats the most concise post ive ever read from you.
Scrivy & Chris started racing in 1987 & the rot only set in a couple of years ago, I can fully relate.

[jellywrestler]

it really should be a dirt bike rider that is president,
Dirt; is for housetraining kittens,
Asphalt is for Racing on...

[Billy]

With your passion for the sport (& nobody can fault you on that one) I seriously believe you would have helped him.
Sad then that he was chucked on his ear without any consultation with you, as you say Jim did regarding the Sandra situation.
Another double standard clearly demonstrated by the powers that be.

Good post Steve,

I probably need to clear something up here though,

I rang Jim and made an enquiry not the other way around and the offer made to Sandra was from me not MNZ,They had no knowledge of it and certainly no input,

All the work I do in the streetstock/Prolite scene including organising/transporting and supplying enough bikes to have the Prolite class recognised as a national championship class is instigated/organised and paid for by me and a few MINOR sponsors(only one small cash sponsor) and MNZ have no input to my operation outside of me calling them to get advice and rule clarification (mostly 1 person,the roadrace commission chairman),

Therefore there was no double standard here,I apologise if I misled you in the post you quoted.

[Ronin]

As for MX dominated, I've asked 7 MX riding licence holders in the past two days if they'd received their voting papers and what their thoughts on the candidates was. Overwelmingly, the response thus far has been "Oh I don't give a fuck about that politics crap"......

Which is to be honest, the way that most people feel about politics and when discussions degenerate the way they have here you can see why.

There is a similar facebook thread going at the moment which has been well behaved, well reasoned and intelligent with some very interesting information.

[Billy]

No way we should have childish bitches who race three wheelers in control of a mainly MX and solo sport. To be honest why dont they start their own exclusive group (oh they allready have) and fuck off and have their own nationals, oh thats right the entries wouldnt even cover buying lunch for the marshalls. Or maybe they race with the cars as they have wankey "Im to good to race against you" attitudes too.

Very passionate and to the point post Steve,

Not sure its going to add anything constuctive to the thread though!

If you can scrabble your way through all the bullshit and jellybeans in the thread you would realise the ultimate outcome would be to have Jim as President and Chris as his vice and the person that deals with the members as well as having a vote on the board as a representative for the NZSRA and people with a passion for the sport displayed on this thread all working together towards a common goal, Unfortunately thats only gonna happen in a world where we all earn a million dollars a week for 2 hours appearance money.

If you dont want the sport run by one candidate,Then voting for the other is the most positive and constructive way to do that.

WTF Are you doing out of bed at 4am??? Oh thats right youve got kids now aye LOL

[scott411]

Dirt; is for housetraining kittens,
Asphalt is for Racing on...

tar for getting there
dirt for real racing

[Drew]

Perhaps I'll go VMX racing. Who's that run by anyone?

[sidecar bob]

The only reason this thread is going to hit 900 posts is because people give a shit & thats a good thing!! (and ill be the first to say, it contains a percentage of rubbish)
MX riders are clearly munters if they cant be arsed with politics, because its politics that dictate where the sport ends up.
Probably most of the people in the dole queue dont care about politics either, as long as they are getting what they are wanting.
Maybe the MX people need screwing over too, so they sit up & take a bit of notice.

[Drew]

Maybe the MX people need screwing over too, so they sit up & take a bit of notice.

I thought they were having big problems with MNZ a couple years ago. Might be wrong, (lets face it, that's my status quoe), but I vaguely remember reading some shit about it on here.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Perhaps I'll go VMX racing. Who's that run by anyone?

By a bunch of laid back Cats that simply love old crusty dirt bikes.

[scott411]

I thought they were having big problems with MNZ a couple years ago. Might be wrong, (lets face it, that's my status quoe), but I vaguely remember reading some shit about it on here.

a few clubs have left MNZ, (whakatane, tarawera and gisbourne that i know of) and there has been some talk about leaving form other clubs as well, but it has been just talk at this stage

for the record, i think we are stronger together, and think we should work toward that, and some of what Sidecar Bobs say is very true, if you do not care enough to vote, i do not think you have the right to complain

[sidecar bob]

I vaguely remember reading some shit on here.

Vaguely remember reading some SHIT on here??? Best post so far.

[scrivy]

MX riders are clearly munters if they cant be arsed with politics, because its politics that dictate where the sport ends up.
Probably most of the people in the dole queue dont care about politics either, as long as they are getting what they are wanting.
Maybe the MX people need screwing over too, so they sit up & take a bit of notice.

Apathy is alive and well in NZ!
Choppa started the President Poll thread, but didn't know if there were any more candidates, or even how to vote for them.
Choppa is at the pointy end of the field, and has spent alot of money on his sport, but has no idea on the politics that drive/steer/support his sport.
Not pointing the finger at you Choppa, just stating that for a well known and popular superbike rider, even you aren't aware of the politics that govern our sport.
That is apathy. Unfortunately most of MNZ members are. That is sad. This sport would be so much better off with more communication to its members.

[Drew]

Not pointing the finger at you Choppa, just stating that for a well known and popular superbike rider, even you aren't aware of the politics that govern our sport.
That is apathy. Unfortunately most of MNZ members are. That is sad. This sport would be so much better off with more communication to its members.

Sloan is a mate of mine, but I'll point the finger at him. And others for that matter.

Both he and Marcus have often spoken out about things they weren't happening in our sport. As a whole and individual instances at events.

Yet neither of them has even tried to even find out the correct process to voice their concerns, (just so ya know people, Kiwibiker.co.nz isn't mentioned once in the complaints process of MNZ).

If people aren't concerned enough for the sake of their own issues, why should MNZ actively seek them out?

[Biggles08]

Both he and Marcus have often spoken out about things they weren't happening in our sport. As a whole and individual instances at events.

Yet neither of them has even tried to even find out the correct process to voice their concerns, (just so ya know people, Kiwibiker.co.nz isn't mentioned once in the complaints process of MNZ).

Yeah but to be fair...we are both a bit slow on the uptake...one of us on the track too:innocent:

[Billy]

Apathy is alive and well in NZ!
Choppa started the President Poll thread, but didn't know if there were any more candidates, or even how to vote for them.
Choppa is at the pointy end of the field, and has spent alot of money on his sport, but has no idea on the politics that drive/steer/support his sport.
Not pointing the finger at you Choppa, just stating that for a well known and popular superbike rider, even you aren't aware of the politics that govern our sport.
That is apathy. Unfortunately most of MNZ members are. That is sad. This sport would be so much better off with more communication to its members.

Yes,Apathy has probably held the sport make more than anything,

One of the steps forward instituted by this administration has been the invent of online voting,Lets all make use of it and vote,Remember,You cant complain if didnt have input.

[scrivy]

Yes,Apathy has probably held the sport make more than anything,

One of the steps forward instituted by this administration has been the invent of online voting,Lets all make use of it and vote,Remember,You cant complain if didnt have input.

Absolutely correct!!

Shit Billy, we'll be needing a room at this rate.............

[Billy]

Absolutely correct!!

Shit Billy, we'll be needing a room at this rate.............

Long as Im not paying

[Biggles08]

Long as Im not paying


I'll pay....just pretend I'm not even in the room...:corn::shit::whistle:

[Billy]

I'll pay....just pretend I'm not even in the room...:corn::shit::whistle:

Like the commentators did at HD you mean ?

[slowpoke]

Apathy is alive and well in NZ!
Choppa started the President Poll thread, but didn't know if there were any more candidates, or even how to vote for them.
Choppa is at the pointy end of the field, and has spent alot of money on his sport, but has no idea on the politics that drive/steer/support his sport.
Not pointing the finger at you Choppa, just stating that for a well known and popular superbike rider, even you aren't aware of the politics that govern our sport.
That is apathy. Unfortunately most of MNZ members are. That is sad. This sport would be so much better off with more communication to its members.

A lot of what you say is true but I'll disagree with ya on this one. Apathy by definition means not giving a fuck, whereas Choppa and huge proportion of the racing community clearly do give a fuck, we just have no means of accessing information or no desire to spend time looking for information that doesn't exist.

Case in point: the nominees. Ok so I know the names of complete strangers who are going to run the sport I am passionate about...........how does that help me? I don't know these people, their background, their capabilities, their people skills, their plans, their dreams. Unless they are a complete numpty even reading a paragarph or two of edited, carefully scripted words that could have been prepared by anybody doesn't help me.

Which is why people come to a site like this and try and sift through the bullshit. A lot of it surely is bullshit but there's also some good information from people who aren't complete strangers and it's easy to access. Something similar on the MNZ website would go a long way towards improving communication and removing the gulf between the hierarchy and the mainstream members.

[Biggles08]

Which is why people come to a site like this and try and sift through the bullshit. A lot of it surely is bullshit but there's also some good information from people who aren't complete strangers and it's easy to access. Something similar on the MNZ website would go a long way towards improving communication and removing the gulf between the hierarchy and the mainstream members.
100% agree! Well said and this is exactly what I would like the MNZ folk to understand if nothing else. People do care, but have very little in the way of tools to do much about it.

This years 'online voting' is a huge step forward in my opinion and I have attempted to create a bit of awareness on my facebook page too. I must congratulate the two candidates in getting involved in discussions both on here and on my facebook page. I for one have learned a considerable amount just from that.

[Biggles08]

Like the commentators did at HD you mean ?

EXACTLY the same!!! I paid there too...haha

[jasonu]

100% agree! Well said and this is exactly what I would like the MNZ folk to understand if nothing else. People do care, but have very little in the way of tools to do much about it.

This years 'online voting' is a huge step forward in my opinion and I have attempted to create a bit of awareness on my facebook page too. I must congratulate the two candidates in getting involved in discussions both on here and on my facebook page. I for one have learned a considerable amount just from that.

Link to your FB page please.

[sidecar bob]

Yes,Apathy has probably held the sport make more than anything,

One of the steps forward instituted by this administration has been the invent of online voting,Lets all make use of it and vote,Remember,You cant complain if didnt have input.

Take note people.
Im not electioneering, just saying, the man is right.

[Biggles08]

Link to your FB page please.

Its in my sig below jasonu but here you go, just for you :innocent:

www.facebook.com/bigglesracing (http://www.facebook.com/bigglesracing) and look under discussions "Chris Lawrance vs Jim Tuckerman'

[sugilite]

Hi Chris,

A lot of probing questions for Chris to asnswer

"Who let the dogs out"Make an excellent song that!!

I feel this is a lot of probing questions to be asking this candidate when your guy is only available to answer questions via/hiding behind e-mail, thus depriving us from seeing what he is offering. So he had a few hecklers, big deal. It would appear both sides have. I'm disappointed JT chose to shut up shop here at kb.

[Billy]

I feel this is a lot of probing questions to be asking this candidate when your guy is only available to answer questions via/hiding behind e-mail, thus depriving us from seeing what he is offering. So he had a few hecklers, big deal. It would appear both sides have. I'm disappointed JT chose to shut up shop here at kb.

Yes your right and if you go to Biggles facebook page you will see that both candidates are available in a more restrained arena where people cant hide behind alias's.

While your there you will notice I have suggested to Chris that he might want to reply directly to my email address,Also if you wish to have dialogue with Jim you can contact him at presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz and deal directly as I have posted several times on this thread.

[jellywrestler]

jellybeans

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Jellybeans.....

[ashracer]

Which brings me to a point. The Assault Charge that was mentioned was taken to the Police and investigated , and they found no case to answer as I understand it. Jim told me at the time that it was happening and if something came of it he would have had to step down.

As I said the case was investigated by the police and no case to answer.

NOT TRUE:

The police finding on this matter is:

“We have decided to "formally warn" Mr Tuckerman for this incident. The will be a record on his file that this occurred and if something similar to this occurs again then we will more than likely take a different action (ie arrest/prosecution).” (Constable Shewry)

In determining this course of action, the police informed me that they took into account, Jim’s age (“he is an old man”), the fact that he had no previous criminal conviction.
The Board has reframed the police response by saying that the police have recorded the incident but no further action was required.

[Kickaha]

Then he doesnt have a sword too fall on,Does he??

If he doesn't I will buy him one


"1 swallow does NOT make a summer"
Makes for a better blow job though


,I have singlehandedly introduced 4 new entrants at club level,Rachel Price,Astrid Hartnell,Simon Vollmer and the late Tim Porter,


Astrid had already been swinging on sidecars over the last 2-3 years at different meetings though


ummmmm more side cars ????

Lets see you make that one come true



(just so ya know people, Kiwibiker.co.nz isn't mentioned once in the complaints process of MNZ)

We'll get Chris to fix that once he's el Presidente

[Billy]

Makes for a better blow job though

YIP,NO ARGUMENT THERE

Astrid had already been swinging on sidecars over the last 2-3 years at different meetings though

















Yes it turns out your right,

She was referred too me by Perry Lett,So can I claim that as a re-entry??LOL.

As a footnote,Those riders were introduced by 1 person over a 1 year period not 2.

[Billy]

Which brings me to a point. The Assault Charge that was mentioned was taken to the Police and investigated , and they found no case to answer as I understand it. Jim told me at the time that it was happening and if something came of it he would have had to step down.

As I said the case was investigated by the police and no case to answer.

NOT TRUE:

The police finding on this matter is:

“We have decided to "formally warn" Mr Tuckerman for this incident. The will be a record on his file that this occurred and if something similar to this occurs again then we will more than likely take a different action (ie arrest/prosecution).” (Constable Shewry)

In determining this course of action, the police informed me that they took into account, Jim’s age (“he is an old man”), the fact that he had no previous criminal conviction.
The Board has reframed the police response by saying that the police have recorded the incident but no further action was required.

Hi Ash,

Is this the official police response and if so do you have it on the official police letterhead,Have you or anybody else advised the MNZ board of this ?

Whos is the above post you have quoted ?

[ellipsis]

...' I can see clearly now the rain has gone,....I can see all the obstacles in my way'..

........(Creedence Clearwater Revival)....

[old rig]

Ummmmm More grid Girls, bigger parties ummmmm more side cars ????

more sidecars will mean bigger parties and more grid girls:blink:

[old rig]

oh come on now scrivy,stop being silly,go back and reread your whole post no 609
where you clearly were answering my query as to growth in the nzsra,that it was moving forward asyou had one team that had done the nationals re entering the nzsra,doesnt that imply they had been members previously????you then went onto state you had 2 more teams that might purchase rigs after the have a go day and mention the aussie trip,that was your answer in total,on that basis if you have a team re entering then you have no more new entrants.right???

Or is that another of your absolutely/positively, im not lying metaphors????

Drugs scrivy,really?????anybody who knows me would be aware of my hatred for anything other than alcohol,no drugs here sorry,ask some of the sidecar members i mentioned in an earlier post,billy does not do drugs clear enough??

no billy don't do drugs "drugs do billy"

[old rig]

Hi Ash,

Is this the official police response and if so do you have it on the official police letterhead,Have you or anybody else advised the MNZ board of this ?

Whos is the above post you have quoted ?

I THINK THE POST IS HIS OWN :shit:

[White trash]

Astrid had already been swinging on sidecars over the last 2-3 years at different meetings though


Not to mention Moto-X and VMX. The girl does more racing in a season than anyone else I know. Probably why she's not on KB.......

[ashracer]

Hi Ash,

Is this the official police response and if so do you have it on the official police letterhead,Have you or anybody else advised the MNZ board of this ?

Whos is the above post you have quoted ?


This is a from a letter, from Tania(who was assaulted) to Sandra. Where she is quoting the police out come . Tania doesnt go on KB, so sent some info to me.

[ashracer]

you just cant convince some people i guess

[Billy]

This is a from a letter, from Tania(who was assaulted) to Sandra. Where she is quoting the police out come . Tania doesnt go on KB, so sent some info to me.

Thank you Ash,

For your prompt and indepth reply,So it was not the official response from the Police on their letterhead,These are Tania's own words and while I am not going to try and refute them,But they are merely one side of the story,Scrivy has claimed to have a copy of the police report is it from the same scource?As I have asked him too furnish it on a number of occassions with no reply

[Billy]

no billy don't do drugs "drugs do billy"

REALLY OLD RIG!!!! How very adult of you,Got any proof,Want me too take a drug test?Spring one on me so I cant refrain from my alleged drug taking activities previous to it!

If you havent got anything more to say thats factual,Then what say you just ring/email/pm or visit me and leave it off KB

[Shaun]

REALLY OLD RIG!!!! How very adult of you,Got any proof,Want me too take a drug test?Spring one on me so I cant refrain from my alleged drug taking activities previous to it!

If you havent got anything more to say thats factual,Then what say you just ring/email/pm or visit me and leave it off KB


Billy, you have worked away very well on this thread mate, and after knowing you for over 25 years, I know where your morals and desire for the sport come from, you are one of the best for it.

But all the BULLSHIT that certain parties are posting on here, Blatantly calling you a LIAR and now people think it;s funny to start accusing you of being a DRUG user, and NO ONE has any proof of either of the above about you, certain people avoid/side step/twist your questions into what they want it to read like, you are really pushing it up hill with these people mate, as far as they are concerened, there SHIT does not stink.

Like you, I have been told 2 sides of the story on here and where it all started from, and WAS actually enjoying watching them LIE- Distort-stretch the truth to hell and back, but it really has become to personell now with the accusations going on mate, bury your dam head and forgett about this shite man, I for one know what you have done for the sport over the years, and NO one else in this thread even comes close

To the Billy attachers and accusers on here, GET A BIG FAT ONE UP YA

[Kickaha]

REALLY OLD RIG!!!! How very adult of you,Got any proof,Want me too take a drug test?Spring one on me so I cant refrain from my alleged drug taking activities previous to it!

He was taking the piss, you'd have to be a simpleton not to realise that



Like you, I have been told 2 sides of the story on here and where it all started from, and WAS actually enjoying watching them LIE- Distort-stretch the truth to hell and back,

What particular story? there's more than one going on

[Biggles08]

This is a from a letter, from Tania(who was assaulted) to Sandra. Where she is quoting the police out come . Tania doesnt go on KB, so sent some info to me.


Best the rest of this post was removed Ashracer as I don't think this is the right forum for that sort of detail...

HOWEVER....IF merely half of what went on as described in this letter you quoted occurred then it really does find the claim of actions taken (or more to the point not taken) against Jim by the board to be 'wanting' at the best. This is especially the case when comparing to the precedent (not president) that had been set with the 'Meads' incident (not sure what came first though...but either way both were 'code of conduct' issues).

Apples for apples I would have thought.

[budda]

Billy, you have worked away very well on this thread mate, and after knowing you for over 25 years, I know where your morals and desire for the sport come from, you are one of the best for it.

But all the BULLSHIT that certain parties are posting on here, Blatantly calling you a LIAR and now people think it;s funny to start accusing you of being a DRUG user, and NO ONE has any proof of either of the above about you, certain people avoid/side step/twist your questions into what they want it to read like, you are really pushing it up hill with these people mate, as far as they are concerened, there SHIT does not stink.

Like you, I have been told 2 sides of the story on here and where it all started from, and WAS actually enjoying watching them LIE- Distort-stretch the truth to hell and back, but it really has become to personell now with the accusations going on mate, bury your dam head and forgett about this shite man, I for one know what you have done for the sport over the years, and NO one else in this thread even comes close

To the Billy attachers and accusers on here, GET A BIG FAT ONE UP YA

Thank you Shaun, very well and succinctly put indeed Sir

[Billy]

you just cant convince some people i guess

Odd response Ash to remove the copy of the letter ????

Also could you clarify a couple of things for me?Was the letter sent Sandra Perry and if so why her and not the board at MNZ as they are the ones charged with making the decisions.

[gixerracer]

Billy, you have worked away very well on this thread mate, and after knowing you for over 25 years, I know where your morals and desire for the sport come from, you are one of the best for it.

But all the BULLSHIT that certain parties are posting on here, Blatantly calling you a LIAR and now people think it;s funny to start accusing you of being a DRUG user, and NO ONE has any proof of either of the above about you, certain people avoid/side step/twist your questions into what they want it to read like, you are really pushing it up hill with these people mate, as far as they are concerened, there SHIT does not stink.

Like you, I have been told 2 sides of the story on here and where it all started from, and WAS actually enjoying watching them LIE- Distort-stretch the truth to hell and back, but it really has become to personell now with the accusations going on mate, bury your dam head and forgett about this shite man, I for one know what you have done for the sport over the years, and NO one else in this thread even comes close

To the Billy attachers and accusers on here, GET A BIG FAT ONE UP YA

Geez Shaun I thought you must have been dead you have been so quiet.
Billy is high fo sure hes on the drug called BILLY kinda like charlie sheen but not as strong.
He is high on life anyone who has meet him will no that, he is the happiest man alive:innocent:

[jellywrestler]

charlie sheen
Hey Craig,
are you allowed up late enough to watch Charlie Sheen?

[Billy]

Best the rest of this post was removed Ashracer as I don't think this is the right forum for that sort of detail...

HOWEVER....IF merely half of what went on as described in this letter you quoted occurred then it really does find the claim of actions taken (or more to the point not taken) against Jim by the board to be 'wanting' at the best. This is especially the case when comparing to the precedent (not president) that had been set with the 'Meads' incident (not sure what came first though...but either way both were 'code of conduct' issues).

Apples for apples I would have thought.

Honestly Marcus,The now mysteriously removed post was simply one side of the story and was written by a complainant clearly unhappy they didnt get the right result and was sent not too the board at MNZ but rather to the immediate past president who is also in conflict with Jim Tuckerman and as its not on official police letterhead I wouldnt expect the board to act on it anyway.

YOU have displayed in both this case and the Bryce Meads case a complete inability to collect BOTH sides of the story before you have settled on a decision,You are clearly in the circle of the "chosen ones" and are not prepared to listen too both sides.

I would suggest you could save yourself a small fortune by buying smaller visors if your only going too use the centre of them!!!

[Shaun]

Geez Shaun I thought you must have been dead you have been so quiet.
Billy is high fo sure hes on the drug called BILLY kinda like charlie sheen but not as strong.
He is high on life anyone who has meet him will no that, he is the happiest man alive:innocent:


The Brain Dead Shaun Is Dead and gone once and for all Dude, the man who recognises his F up,s over the last few years is around now, and will not be going any where in a hurry, and most deffinately will not be WANKING on like some people with No exscuses for there attitude apart from the fact that they are TOSSERS

[Kickaha]

and as its not on official police letterhead I wouldnt expect the board to act on it anyway.

Any complaint regardless of the letterhead it is on should at least be investigated

[old rig]

REALLY OLD RIG!!!! How very adult of you,Got any proof,Want me too take a drug test?Spring one on me so I cant refrain from my alleged drug taking activities previous to it!

If you havent got anything more to say thats factual,Then what say you just ring/email/pm or visit me and leave it off KB

yes i was takin the piss don't get angry

[Billy]

Billy, you have worked away very well on this thread mate, and after knowing you for over 25 years, I know where your morals and desire for the sport come from, you are one of the best for it.

But all the BULLSHIT that certain parties are posting on here, Blatantly calling you a LIAR and now people think it;s funny to start accusing you of being a DRUG user, and NO ONE has any proof of either of the above about you, certain people avoid/side step/twist your questions into what they want it to read like, you are really pushing it up hill with these people mate, as far as they are concerened, there SHIT does not stink.

Like you, I have been told 2 sides of the story on here and where it all started from, and WAS actually enjoying watching them LIE- Distort-stretch the truth to hell and back, but it really has become to personell now with the accusations going on mate, bury your dam head and forgett about this shite man, I for one know what you have done for the sport over the years, and NO one else in this thread even comes close

To the Billy attachers and accusers on here, GET A BIG FAT ONE UP YA

Thanks for the support Shaun,

But Im not going anywhere,Anytime soon,.

The fact that Chris Lawrance has failed to answer ANY of my questions either on here,Facebook or directly too me only enforces to me the fact he has NO clear mandate for moving the sport forward and NOBODY behind him that has any sensible ideas either,Couple with that the fact a number of the board and commission members have indicated too me they cant/wont work with Chris and his followers and you have to wonder as I do where we will go if Jim is not re-elected,I have NEVER defended his actions and if hes re-elected,Possibly some proviso's be put in place,All I ask is people get both sidesof the story before making a decision.

Put simply would you vote for Phil Goff and the Labour party in its present state,Well then go back and have a look at the growth(or lack of it as described in post #609)in the sidecar scene in the last 2 years.

[jellywrestler]

Thanks for the support Shaun,

But Im not going anywhere,Anytime soon,.


Haven't you got some Easter eggs to deliver Billy, in your fluffy pink bunny suit?

[scrivy]

..... Jim Tuckerman and as its not on official police letterhead I wouldnt expect the board to act on it anyway.
Dude.... and thankfully that is the reason you're not on the Board!!
So.......... was the letter from the top level superbike rider that put a complaint against Bryce on official letterhead also??? Or even on police letterhead??

Oh, and was Tania's partners complaint of Jims breach of the code of conduct rule against Jim ever considered by the Board??



The fact that Chris Lawrance has failed to answer ANY of my questions either on here,Facebook or directly too me only enforces to me the fact he has NO clear mandate for moving the sport forward and NOBODY behind him that has any sensible ideas either,
Come on Billy, Jim never answered my questions either.
As for people behind Jim......... who exactly is behind Jim?? You?? Shaun?? Steve Bron?? That's a good enough reason to not vote for Jim!!
But alas, I thought this vote was only for the President.

Couple with that the fact a number of the board and commission members have indicated too me they cant/wont work with Chris and his followers and you have to wonder as I do where we will go if Jim is not re-elected,
That's about as petty as you can get from grown adults. As I said before, name me one person (Just one) that doesn't like Chris. For your Board mates to make that kind of statement is absolutely childish. So in other words, if Jims not there, some will spit the dummy and leave?? So, its a fact then that Jim does run the whole ship! That's sad Billy.
But on the up side, there are people wanting to work with Chris, and would be more than keen to get on the Board. Who knows, they may bring more credibility and respect to our sport also.

I have NEVER defended his actions and if hes re-elected,Possibly some proviso's be put in place,All I ask is people get both sidesof the story before making a decision.
Never defended Jims actions?? But you thought it was ok to suspend Bryce as it was a 'means to an end'!
You have also tried to dispute everything I have said (even when I said it was the truth), to defend Jim.
So why would you need to put provisos in if Jim is re-elected?? So he doesn't assault someone again?? Remember Billy, the police only need 1 more reason to jump on Jim.
Can you honestly say that in the next 2 years that Jim isn't going to do that?? 3 threats by Jim in 2 years so far (A racetrack commentator, a race event organiser and a family member of an MNZ member - where will it end?). Imagine the dis-repute that would bring on MNZ if that happened and went public.



Now, go and look at the financials again Billy, and tell me how Jim has made a profit of $200,000, following on from a loss of $100,000 the year before.
That is a laughable spin from Jim, but I would love to hear your take on that, as I brought it up many many pages before, but no one could give me a reason why.


Scrivy

[scrivy]

HOWEVER....IF merely half of what went on as described in this letter you quoted occurred then it really does find the claim of actions taken (or more to the point not taken) against Jim by the board to be 'wanting' at the best. This is especially the case when comparing to the precedent (not president) that had been set with the 'Meads' incident (not sure what came first though...but either way both were 'code of conduct' issues).

Apples for apples I would have thought.

The incidents were about 1 month apart.
Its as I was saying all along Biggles, but Billy puts his slant on it and tries to sweep it under the carpet.
Not good for the figurehead of our sport.

[Biggles08]

Honestly Marcus,The now mysteriously removed post was simply one side of the story and was written by a complainant clearly unhappy they didnt get the right result and was sent not too the board at MNZ but rather to the immediate past president who is also in conflict with Jim Tuckerman and as its not on official police letterhead I wouldnt expect the board to act on it anyway.

YOU have displayed in both this case and the Bryce Meads case a complete inability to collect BOTH sides of the story before you have settled on a decision,You are clearly in the circle of the "chosen ones" and are not prepared to listen too both sides.

I would suggest you could save yourself a small fortune by buying smaller visors if your only going too use the centre of them!!!

Not quite true Billy...this is all I have ever had an issue with re the 'Meads' issue. That both sides of the story is collected and analyzed by those in the correct positions to do so and that justice is 'seen' to be done.

Regrading Jim Tuckerman and this disappearing letter, I would like to think I'm pretty open to both sides of the story but I haven't the luxury to have access to all this information and yet still need to form an opinion so as to decide whom I am going to vote for (hypothetical as I have already voted..but hopefully you get my meaning).

I'm fully aware this disappearing letter is only one side of the story...most likely even a polarized view. This is what I was trying to communicate by saying "IF" and "half" in my comment. I would like to think that this matter was dealt with correctly, and to be fair it may well have been (I have my doubts however), but I was very close to the action that was taken against Bryce, I have heard both sides of the story, and I still believe this could have been investigated, dealt with and delivered in a better, more fair manner.

This is not a witch hunt on my part Billy so don't think of it that way. I'm the first to forget and forgive if required, and I know people make mistakes. But as I have said previously...'its not the baggage that makes the man, its how he deals with it that does.' This applies to all of us including all the board members and current, past and future presidents.

My personal opinion is JT has made mistakes (as we all have) and the only question I have is can he learn from them. Clearly he has passion for motorcycling and most likely has the best intentions for it. I don't doubt this as you shouldn't with Chris Lawrance either. What we all need to do is VOTE for who we see is BEST to take MNZ into the future.

[Roger]

more sidecars will mean bigger parties and more grid girls:blink::corn: and more punch-ups at prizegivings.:woohoo:

[Kickaha]

:corn: and more punch-ups at prizegivings.:woohoo:

Don't think we've had one yet, although Scrivy deserves a smack in the head on a annual basis:girlfight:

[Biggles08]

The Brain Dead Shaun Is Dead and gone once and for all Dude, the man who recognises his F up,s over the last few years is around now, and will not be going any where in a hurry, and most deffinately will not be WANKING on like some people with No exscuses for there attitude apart from the fact that they are TOSSERS

Shaun dealing with all the TOSSERS! haha

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[scrivy]

:corn: and more punch-ups at prizegivings.:woohoo:

What punch ups have there been??

[scrivy]

I have been told 2 sides of the story on here and where it all started from, and WAS actually enjoying watching them LIE- Distort-stretch the truth to hell and back

Shaun, you say you have been TOLD 2 sides of the story. Have you ever gotten the NZSRA side of the story from listening to members yourself? If so, from whom??
It appears you have made your mind up with no communication from the NZSRA. That's a bit slanted.

Scrivy

[Billy]

Not quite true Billy...this is all I have ever had an issue with re the 'Meads' issue. That both sides of the story is collected and analyzed by those in the correct positions to do so and that justice is 'seen' to be done.

Regrading Jim Tuckerman and this disappearing letter, I would like to think I'm pretty open to both sides of the story but I haven't the luxury to have access to all this information and yet still need to form an opinion so as to decide whom I am going to vote for (hypothetical as I have already voted..but hopefully you get my meaning).

I'm fully aware this disappearing letter is only one side of the story...most likely even a polarized view. This is what I was trying to communicate by saying "IF" and "half" in my comment. I would like to think that this matter was dealt with correctly, and to be fair it may well have been (I have my doubts however), but I was very close to the action that was taken against Bryce, I have heard both sides of the story, and I still believe this could have been investigated, dealt with and delivered in a better, more fair manner.

This is not a witch hunt on my part Billy so don't think of it that way. I'm the first to forget and forgive if required, and I know people make mistakes. But as I have said previously...'its not the baggage that makes the man, its how he deals with it that does.' This applies to all of us including all the board members and current, past and future presidents.

My personal opinion is JT has made mistakes (as we all have) and the only question I have is can he learn from them. Clearly he has passion for motorcycling and most likely has the best intentions for it. I don't doubt this as you shouldn't with Chris Lawrance either. What we all need to do is VOTE for who we see is BEST to take MNZ into the future.

Very good reply Marcus,

The only thing that possibly needs to be made a little clearer is the reference too the disappearing letter,The way you have worded it could be misconstrued as to have being done by Jim and that is not the case.

The reason I suggested you didnt have both sides of the story was you have never mentioned who you had spoken too at MNZ to gather their side.

Scrivy I'll get back too you after lunch as I have 2 people collecting bikes today,But just so you dont think Im going on a mission too gather info,My only information scource re the financial affairs are off Jims profile and I trust Hes not stupid enough to make unsubstantiated claims that could come back to bite him.

[scrivy]

My only information scource re the financial affairs are off Jims profile and I trust Hes not stupid enough to make unsubstantiated claims that could come back to bite him.

Just the financials in your membership pack are fine.
Jim's also stated the fact on facebook too.

Jims qoute: "Yes the current Board has turned MNZ’s fortunes around (from $100k loss to $200K profit), but it would not be good governance to rush out and spend that."

[scrivy]

Don't think we've had one yet, although Scrivy deserves a smack in the head on a annual basis:girlfight:

You taken down that piccy of me from your toilet door yet??
:shutup::love::gob::yes:

[Kickaha]

You taken down that piccy of me from your toilet door yet??
:shutup::love::gob::yes:

I piss on it every time I go

[jellywrestler]

I piss on it every time I go
So in order to achieve that you must sit down to take a piss....

[scrivy]

I piss on it every time I go

You told me it was on your ceiling..............

You're not that good............

[Billy]

Now, go and look at the financials again Billy, and tell me how Jim has made a profit of $200,000, following on from a loss of $100,000 the year before.
That is a laughable spin from Jim, but I would love to hear your take on that, as I brought it up many many pages before, but no one could give me a reason why.


Scrivy

OK,Nobody comung til midday now(bloody motorcyclists,Bout as reliable as a chinese scooter)

1)No Im not on the board and never will be.

2)It wasnt a letter from the rider concerned it was a statement,If that makes any difference

3)I have no Idea whether the afforementioned matter was dealt with by the Board,I did however ask yesterday whether anybody had any relevant in formation or litrature too back it up to no avail.

4)Re answering the questions,If Jim has not answered questions from absolutely anybody(you included) then that is too his detriment and I have no idea why you would slant it at me.

As for Chris,There are some reasonably serious queries in the post and I would have thought he would have been better to answer them so the voters can make an informed decision and offer the transparency you have promised in your signature.

My biggest concern is he has not mentioned the Junior training and induction the sport so badly needs in the North Island to keep it moving forward as is evident in the South Island,Reducing entry fees/organising transport/bouncy castles and gourmet food will only keep those already involved happy and when theyve got sick of competing the sport will be no better for it(Im quite keen on the umbrella girls though).

5)Theres no way Jim or any other president would have total control of MNZ as all the decisions (including the Bryce Meads affair)are sat on by the board of which Jim only has 1 vote.

6)I reiterate I have not defended Jims actions in any way and let me ask you this,Have you ever spoken too Jim in person about the assault allegation or have you only heard the complainants side and settled on that and their witness?Im not trying to discredit the complainant here,Just trying too establish if you have spoken directly to both parties involved.

Re the financial affairs of MNZ as previously stated. In reply to your subsequent post,Arent those from the previous year?

Gotta go now,I await your response.

Oh and the Motel owner called and said your credit card declined!Thought Morris was paying???

[jellywrestler]

umbrella girls


MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Umbrella Girls...

[Drew]

Here's the story I got about the alleged assault.

At the end of a meeting as Jim was driving out of the car park, some chick yelled out to him to stop. He did and as she was getting to the car he opened the door and it struck her.

I haven't got a clue what she wanted to talk about, or in what manner Jim opened the door at the time he did. I can only assume there were some things said and happening earlier in the day to create some kind of tension. But that's my own idea, I haven't heard anything about it from anyone.

I cannot help but wonder if things haven't been blown out of proportion a little bit? Was the chick hurt? Who was the chick, and does she have a habit of exaggerating things? (I ask because I know plenty of people who for one reason or another seem to feel they have been aggrieved or personally attacked, when it's usually just their perception of events).

Jims been good for MNZ in a lot of ways, and for that he should be congratulated. There are a couple of big mistakes in my view. The Bryce Meads thing wasn't handled as I believe it should have been. And a potential sponsorship meeting Jim had should have been dealt with in a far more professional manner as there was the potential for a pretty damn large cheque in it.

My only experience of Chris is that he's a smiley dude who's always talking to every second person around the pits. There are bound to be some folk whom he's pissed off, anyone who hasn't pissed at least one person off has never done anything in my view. (Bron doesn't count by the way). The whole thing about his kidney transplant seems pretty moot. If I was in renal failure the last thing I would think to do is alert MNZ. And if I feel fit to ride, I'll bloody do it! I recall Bruce Anstey being woken up in his van to go and ride at Manfield. Dude looked like death not even warmed up, he was recovering from chemotherapy I think, and nobody said a thing then, what's the difference?

[scrivy]

OK,Nobody comung til midday now(bloody motorcyclists,Bout as reliable as a chinese scooter)
Its raining - they're soft...........

2)It wasnt a letter from the rider concerned it was a statement,If that makes any difference
Not really. As I questioned 'Was it on letterhead... as the one you implied from Tania wasn't ......'
Giving reason as to not investigate by the board......

4)Re answering the questions,If Jim has not answered questions from absolutely anybody(you included) then that is too his detriment and I have no idea why you would slant it at me.
Only slanted it at you Billy, as you say Chris hasn't answered any of yours. It was that simple. Tit for tat and all......

As for Chris,There are some reasonably serious queries in the post and I would have thought he would have been better to answer them so the voters can make an informed decision and offer the transparency you have promised in your signature.
He has been out and about (as I am sure Jim is) doing the talking to people at events, functions etc.
You know what KB is like.

My biggest concern is he has not mentioned the Junior training and induction the sport so badly needs in the North Island to keep it moving forward as is evident in the South Island,Reducing entry fees/organising transport/bouncy castles and gourmet food will only keep those already involved happy and when theyve got sick of competing the sport will be no better for it(Im quite keen on the umbrella girls though).
He is very keen on the junior side of things. He also goes to and races at bucket events too. These are the places where he's doing his talking.


5)Theres no way Jim or any other president would have total control of MNZ as all the decisions (including the Bryce Meads affair)are sat on by the board of which Jim only has 1 vote.
So why did you state the Board won't work with Chris then?? What are they scared of??

6)I reiterate I have not defended Jims actions in any way and let me ask you this,Have you ever spoken too Jim in person about the assault allegation or have you only heard the complainants side and settled on that and their witness?Im not trying to discredit the complainant here,Just trying too establish if you have spoken directly to both parties involved.
I personally do not wish to have discussions with Jim. That is my own decission. No one elses. He has lied to us (and Kick will testify to that - and he was on the other 'Side' as Shaun puts it). So once bitten twice shy...........
I read the statements from the witnesses, and saw the police replies.
I also heard of the collaboration of witnesses for Jim side of it, that went around via text!
I also spoke with a former individual that was threatened also.
I also spoke to the Mead's.
I do not assume like Shaun does that whatever MNZ says is true. I can make up my own mind from my own investigations.

Re the financial affairs of MNZ as previously stated. In reply to your subsequent post,Arent those from the previous year?
No, they are ending Dec. 2010.
Still cant see where they made a profit/income of $200,000

Gotta go now,I await your response.

Oh and the Motel owner called and said your credit card declined!Thought Morris was paying???
What???!!!!!
Guttered!!
I've got the video cameras in the van already............
Kick was sending up his 44 gallon drum of lube too.............. he said he'd taken out all the old pubes too...............

[scrivy]

Here's the story I got about the alleged assault.


Who told you the story???

[Drew]

Who told you the story???

Does it matter? If it's wrong that's fine. Tell me how it really went.

I have it from someone I trust and who doesn't ever seem to peddle any slant on things that Jim was rude and threatening. Neither he or I were there, but if he trusts the source it's good enough for me.

My information is all second or third hand. I'm not trying to sway anyone, with my history people would do the opposite to what I think as they are more likely to be right anyway.

This thread is no longer gonna be helpfull to anybody interested in voting, so I'm just being nosey really.

[scrivy]

Does it matter?
Just interested in seeing where the lies/truth eventuates from.


There was no car involved...........

[jellywrestler]

I also heard of the collaboration of witnesses for Tania's side of it, that went around via text!

[scrivy]

I also heard of the collaboration of witnesses for Tania's side of it, that went around via text!

Really?! Please name drop Spyda. You can PM me if ya want. I would love more info on the subject.

Interesting that Jims witnesses didn't see the event in it's entirety, but were prepared to collude their information for Jims benefit. That did make it on the texts Spyda. Still got 'em too! Also still got Steve's text threatening Chris too.

[jellywrestler]

Really?! My point is there's a stinking lot of he said she said shit going on here.

[scrivy]

My point is there's a stinking lot of he said she said shit going on here.

No Spyda, my point is that only facts/truth should be talked about. Not he/she said bullshit.
That just spreads rumours that are usually untrue, but taken as gospel when certain people with 'supposed' mana say it.

I have made it a priority in my life to keep information thats shared with me, as it is usually needed at future times to prove people wrong, or to prove people innocent.

Tell me where I've talked an untruth Spyda.


Scrivy

[jellywrestler]

Tell me where I've talked an untruth Spyda.


The cubic capacity or the Busa.... was gonna put on of those winky/happy/knowing smiley faces in but I don't know how to do it sorry.

[scrivy]

The cubic capacity or the Busa.... was gonna put on of those winky/happy/knowing smiley faces in but I don't know how to do it sorry.

You know what cc it is ya piss taker.
Same as your Henderson................

[gixerracer]

Dude.... and thankfully that is the reason you're not on the Board!!
So.......... was the letter from the top level superbike rider that put a complaint against Bryce on official letterhead also??? Or even on police letterhead??

Yo Scribble
I did not put in a complaint against Bryce as you state above.
I was one of the riders in the group at the point of that crash at Hampton Downs and I was asked to write my views on the crash which I did via email and sent to MNZ.:love:

Thanks

Craig

[jellywrestler]

You know what cc it is ya piss taker.
Same as your Henderson................
one's 998cc
one's 1168cc
one's 1301cc
take ya pick

[Kickaha]

one's 998cc
one's 1168cc
one's 1301cc
take ya pick

Bet it's 1301cc when the sidecar capacity limit is 1300cc, Scrivy you cheating bastard


I was asked to write my views on the crash which I did via email and sent to MNZ.:love:

Who did you get to help with the spelling?

[old rig]

Don't think we've had one yet, although Scrivy deserves a smack in the head on a annual basis:girlfight:

scrivy at prizegiving would perfer a smack or his ass i think :facepalm:
but don't ask for it on a letter head or any head for that :woohoo:

[old rig]

The cubic capacity or the Busa.... was gonna put on of those winky/happy/knowing smiley faces in but I don't know how to do it sorry.

pubic capacity ON The Busa is that the right statment you were ment to post

[scrivy]

Bet it's 1301cc when the sidecar capacity limit is 1300cc, Scrivy you cheating bastard


1299cc. Its a 1999 Busa

[scrivy]

Yo Scribble
I did not put in a complaint against Bryce as you state above.
I was one of the riders in the group at the point of that crash at Hampton Downs and I was asked to write my views on the crash which I did via email and sent to MNZ.:love:

Thanks

Craig


The action was not instigated on the basis of a hearsay statement made on this site,Rather that statement gave them cause for further investigation and they obtained a statement from a top level Superbike rider that was on track and saw the incident unfold.


Hi Craig,

I wasn't the person that named you. Actually, I didn't even know you were involved until today!

Who asked you to write to MNZ with your views (statement)?

My reading of the above had me thinking that MNZ got your statement, then acted accordingly?

.........and your statement was sent by e-mail.............. :facepalm:... where's the letterhead??? :shutup:

[jellywrestler]

Hi Craig,

I wasn't the person that named you. Actually, I didn't even know you were involved until today!


So if you've got ALL the info on the Meads affair, how come this slipped by?

[scrivy]

So if you've got ALL the info on the Meads affair, how come this slipped by?

What ya yelling for Spyda?
Where did I say I had all the info????????

Getting information doesn't have to be specific to a person Spyda. I don't need to know who did the statement, just that a statement exists, and was handed in to MNZ, and was supposedly acted on. I couldn't give a flying #@$% who it was from. It's hearsay, and means nothing in a court Spyda. More like he said/she said ..............
I care about the due process followed.

Now, what else you got ??

P.S. Nasty doesn't really suit you Spyda.

[jellywrestler]

What ya yelling for Spyda?
Nasty doesn't really suit you Spyda.


Not yelling, just highlighting a little, like you using MENSTRUAL RED for so many of your posts.

You seem to have a lot to say about the whole Meads affair about the process etc but don't seem to have ALL the info???
seems very selective on the whole, please prove me incorrect
So can you tell me what info you DO have and then we can ask MNZ what they have and see what percentage of it you have actually used to base your opinions on?

[jellywrestler]

Nasty doesn't really suit you Spyda.


You haven't seen me in my Bondage gear then have you!

[scrivy]

Not yelling, just highlighting a little, like you using MENSTRUAL RED for so many of your posts.
Usually all my posts.

You seem to have a lot to say about the whole Meads affair about the process etc but don't seem to have ALL the info???
seems very selective on the whole, please prove me incorrect
So can you tell me what info you DO have and then we can ask MNZ what they have and see what percentage of it you have actually used to base your opinions on?

Sorry Spyda, I've got all the info I need to see that the MNZ process was flawed (even others here have stated that fact!!), a double standard given the Tuckerman case, and an over the top penalty IMO.
As I've continually said here, MNZ shouldn't use the code of conduct rule for this charge, as it is flawed, and basically unlawful - as the defendant does not get to voice his response, or have a hearing, or even have an appeal.
Is that FAIR?
And do you think a sponsor should be told about the penalty first??
Isn't that a breach of a persons confidentiality?

What if MNZ wanted to go and personally attack anyone THEY feel fit to, with only 1 persons statement??
What if they wanted to pick on someone who doesn't compete in our sport, but spectates, that did recreational drugs, and that user was a good friend of a top racer?? Would the top racer be attacked and penalised?? That's exactly what could happen under the code of conduct rule.
Again Spyda, is that FAIR?

[jellywrestler]

As I've continually said here, MNZ shouldn't use the code of conduct rule for this charge, as it is flawed, and basically unlawful - as the defendant does not get to voice his response, or have a hearing, or even have an appeal.


OK, I trust your judgement on this so what would be the correct process for a matter similar to this?
Would you be interested in proposing a correct process to MNZ so matters like this can be addressed fairly for all parties?

Anyway, gotta go, all that talk about my bondage gear has got me digging it, I've got some bunnies to deal to tonight.

Last but not least, What do you call a rabbit with a bent cock?


Fucks Funny

[gixerracer]

Hi Craig,

I wasn't the person that named you. Actually, I didn't even know you were involved until today!

Who asked you to write to MNZ with your views (statement)?

My reading of the above had me thinking that MNZ got your statement, then acted accordingly?

.........and your statement was sent by e-mail.............. :facepalm:... where's the letterhead??? :shutup:

From what I can remember and I have had a couple of concusions since then but it was Paul Stewart that fist asked my opinion on the matter

[scrivy]

OK, I trust your judgement on this so what would be the correct process for a matter similar to this?
Would you be interested in proposing a correct process to MNZ so matters like this can be addressed fairly for all parties?


First up:
As stated in clause 6.4.2 The GB shall conduct itself as transparently as possible. Full minutes of the proceedings of each meeting shall be kept and available to Full members upon request. The GB may, at its sole discretion, authorise the minutes, or any parts thereof, to be published on the MNZ website.
The above would be a great start to ensure they have been transparent. I asked for minutes last year Spyda, and it took well over 1 month to get them, with every excuse under the sun.

Secondly:
There must be a change to the COC rule. No recourse/input/appeal/hearing etc for the defendant is un-constitutional. Judge, Jury and executioner is the result.
With the only recourse for the defendant the sports tribunal. Now imagine if the defendant won. How much would it cost all MNZ members?

Thirdly:
MNZ doesn't even have a conflict of interest policy in their constitution.
Now then, what if a board member, officer or President had a gripe with an individual and used the COC policy to persecute a member??

[scrivy]

From what I can remember and I have had a couple of concusions since then but it was Paul Stewart that fist asked my opinion on the matter

What was the reason for the concussions??? :shutup::innocent::gob:

Kick said it wasn't from overexertion from sex......

[Billy]

The whole thing about his kidney transplant seems pretty moot. If I was in renal failure the last thing I would think to do is alert MNZ. And if I feel fit to ride, I'll bloody do it! I recall Bruce Anstey being woken up in his van to go and ride at Manfield. Dude looked like death not even warmed up, he was recovering from chemotherapy I think, and nobody said a thing then, what's the difference?

So am I reading this right ? Its OK for a competitor to not follow the correct protocol and inform MNZ of a health issue that COULD affect their ability to control a machine,BUT its not OK for MNZ to use the code of conduct as a tool because the members dont feel its the right protocol even though its in the rulebook.

Oh and waking people up to start a race is not uncommon,When Stroudy did the 4 hour with Brian Bernard a few years back,He was sleeping between his stints and in fact during Brians first stint we had to retreive him from his motorhome where he was asleep,Was a job just to get him to stay in pitlane and sleep

[scrivy]

How'd you get on with the financials Billy?

[gixerracer]

Sorry Spyda, I've got all the info I need to see that the MNZ process was flawed (even others here have stated that fact!!), a double standard given the Tuckerman case, and an over the top penalty IMO.
As I've continually said here, MNZ shouldn't use the code of conduct rule for this charge, as it is flawed, and basically unlawful - as the defendant does not get to voice his response, or have a hearing, or even have an appeal.
Is that FAIR?
And do you think a sponsor should be told about the penalty first??
Isn't that a breach of a persons confidentiality?

What if MNZ wanted to go and personally attack anyone THEY feel fit to, with only 1 persons statement??
What if they wanted to pick on someone who doesn't compete in our sport, but spectates, that did recreational drugs, and that user was a good friend of a top racer?? Would the top racer be attacked and penalised?? That's exactly what could happen under the code of conduct rule.
Again Spyda, is that FAIR?


So what exact info did you have to make up your mind without all info

[Kickaha]

So what exact info did you have to make up your mind without all info

All the stuff his imaginary friend gave him

[gixerracer]

All the stuff his imaginary friend gave him

Yea you and him are his only friends according to the info I have got but I may not have all the facts yet:facepalm:

[scrivy]

So what exact info did you have to make up your mind without all info

The same that Shaun had when he decided the NZSRA were all tossers.
Obviously enough for him to make a judgmental decission..........

You go far back enough to read the posts Craig?

I'll ask you this Craig, 'What exact info did the Board have to make up their minds'? - as they only had 1 side of the story too apparantly.................
Or I should say - they only needed 1 side of the story.

[SWERVE]

So am I reading this right ? Its OK for a competitor to not follow the correct protocol and inform MNZ of a health issue that COULD affect their ability to control a machine,BUT its not OK for MNZ to use the code of conduct as a tool because the members dont feel its the right protocol even though its in the rulebook.

Oh and waking people up to start a race is not uncommon,When Stroudy did the 4 hour with Brian Bernard a few years back,He was sleeping between his stints and in fact during Brians first stint we had to retreive him from his motorhome where he was asleep,Was a job just to get him to stay in pitlane and sleep

Hey Billy
I have a good friend who has raced as a team mate to Stroudy at International endurance race and he also said that they have had to "kick him awake" just as the pitboard went out for the current rider to come in........legend

Another is the story of Joey Dunlop drunken comatose in a Macau hotel lift all night woken at 8.00pm racing at 9.00 and WON............ real racers eh.

I can remember the good old days when everyonr partied till dawn.... slept in vans..... and raced with a hangover:woohoo:

[gixerracer]

The same that Shaun had when he decided the NZSRA were all tossers.
Obviously enough for him to make a judgmental decission..........

You go far back enough to read the posts Craig?

I'll ask you this Craig, 'What exact info did the Board have to make up their minds'? - as they only had 1 side of the story too apparantly.................
Or I should say - they only needed 1 side of the story.

Shaun is a very wise man so if it's good enough for him I will take his word:innocent:
As for what info the board had I wouldnt no as I just told them what I saw and that's all I had to do with it.
How did the board have one side they had I would say at least 5 people on the track that saw plus the corner marshalls??
The riders reaction after the fact did himself ZERO favours also.
Shit happens thats racing etc isnt a great come back especially when it is a track day for road roders to enjoy riding a race track not a race meeting soo shit shouldnt happen IMO

[Billy]

How'd you get on with the financials Billy?

Yip,Page 3,Net surplus 2009 = -$131,385, 2010 = $223,481 surplus

[slowpoke]

Shit happens thats racing etc isnt a great come back especially when it is a track day for road roders to enjoy riding a race track not a race meeting soo shit shouldnt happen IMO

I tell ya what, for a a bloke who enjoys scrambling his brain more than his eggs your scone works suprisingly well. Well said mate.

[Shaun]

The same that Shaun had when he decided the NZSRA were all tossers.
Obviously enough for him to make a judgmental decission..........

You go far back enough to read the posts Craig?

I'll ask you this Craig, 'What exact info did the Board have to make up their minds'? - as they only had 1 side of the story too apparantly.................
Or I should say - they only needed 1 side of the story.


Scrivy, back the truck up RE_READ what I said about TOSSERS ( How you could have misunderstood it has me totaly shocked)

" I NEVER mentioned your CLUB" Assumptions are Dangerous things sport" But please carry on driver

[budda]

What if they wanted to pick on someone who doesn't compete in our sport, but spectates, that did recreational drugs, and that user was a good friend of a top racer?? Would the top racer be attacked and penalised?? That's exactly what could happen under the code of conduct rule.
Again Spyda, is that FAIR?


Actually, if the friend was partaking while attending a sanctioned event, and was in his mates pit, the racer WOULD be penalised ......... as you certainly know, the racer is responsible for the actions of those in his pit, and acknowledges that when he signs the entry form. NOT a new JT rule, been that way for many many years

[Billy]

Actually, if the friend was partaking while attending a sanctioned event, and was in his mates pit, the racer WOULD be penalised ......... as you certainly know, the racer is responsible for the actions of those in his pit, and acknowledges that when he signs the entry form. NOT a new JT rule, been that way for many many years

Yes correct again young fella,Had this impressed on me by Errol Conaghan at Manfeild as far back as 1978 when a supporter of mine was hanging around my pit area drunk!

[Billy]

Odd response Ash to remove the copy of the letter ????

Also could you clarify a couple of things for me?Was the letter sent Sandra Perry and if so why her and not the board at MNZ as they are the ones charged with making the decisions.

Anybody care too answer these for me???

[Billy]

The incidents were about 1 month apart.
Its as I was saying all along Biggles, but Billy puts his slant on it and tries to sweep it under the carpet.
Not good for the figurehead of our sport.

Put my slant on it and sweep it under the carpet?

Theres nothing too sweep under the carpet,No charge = no breach and the letter posted on here was from the complainant and is only one side of the story,The only people that know BOTH sides of the story are the complainant,The alleged offender and the board that reviewed the case,Care to explain how Im supposed to sweep that under the carpet??

[Billy]

Dude.... and thankfully that is the reason you're not on the Board!!
So.......... was the letter from the top level superbike rider that put a complaint against Bryce on official letterhead also??? Or even on police letterhead??

Yo Scribble
I did not put in a complaint against Bryce as you state above.
I was one of the riders in the group at the point of that crash at Hampton Downs and I was asked to write my views on the crash which I did via email and sent to MNZ.:love:

Thanks

Craig

Thank you Craig for clearing that up.

[Billy]

Just the financials in your membership pack are fine.
Jim's also stated the fact on facebook too.

"Yes the current Board has turned MNZ’s fortunes around (from $100k loss to $200K profit), but it would not be good governance to rush out and spend that."




So your admiting they did now?Werent you adamant earlier they had not??

[Billy]

In Reply to post number 949 for you Scrivy

Craigs letter didnt need verification as your now aware,It was a statement he was asked to supply

I am sure Chris has been out and about,But he has also been on Marcus's facebook page and answered queries posted on there after mine,Youve got too wonder dont you?

The only mention I have seen him make surrounding junior training was posted on this thread earlier and mentioned Avalon Biddle and Daniel Mettam plying their trade in buckets and no mention of any intergration into the streetstock of prolite classes,I would suggest both Daniel and Avalon learned their respective racecraft long after leaving bucket racing,Daniel through his Scholarship at Victoria motorcycle club and training from Peter Jones at MCC and Jamie Rajek at Wolfpack racing,Avalon from the same plus an extended series in Australia organised again by Peter Jones and his helpers at MCC,I am left wondering if he has any serious plans in place?

I mentioned SOME of the board and commissioners would not work with Chris,Not all as you have claimed

Finally,I f you have chosen NOT to speak to Jim over the assault charge,Then you cant have the whole story and it is nothing more than your slanted opinion as you stated to Shaun in post 939.

[Shaun]

I mentioned SOME of the board and commissioners would not work with Chris,Not all as you have claimed

Finally,I f you have chosen NOT to speak to Jim over the assault charge,Then you cant have the whole story and it is nothing more than your slanted opinion as you stated to Shaun in post 939.[/QUOTE]


Scrivy, Slanted opinion? Non Fact? Total Truth? ( Because he says so) Ba hahahaha have a bloody good day

[Shaun]

OK, So Jim Tuckerman is a loud mouthed opinionated rudely spoken direct aggresive man?? WOW, Sounds like a PETROLHEAD to me, who has a focus on getting a job done. Actually sounds just like me hahaha

( Trying to use a so called ASSULT charge against him is pathetic! Now I do understand the usage of highlighting the fact that this situation Technically did take place, I also know only JIM and the lady and her man were in the same room together ( Only those 3 where this so called assult took place) Would YOU assult a mans women in front of him? Did not think so, Jim is loud and direct, but far from a women beating moron

POLITICS sneak in here sorry, Jim ( And Team) has achieved SAVINGS for MNZ, the training programmes for stewards etc are growing, the Industry was behind the racing scene last season, Jim has only really just started in this roll, we cannot expect the world to be changed in one year or 2, time is a thing we have to invest into his roll/position, a case of hanging them selves or making better things happen for OUR SPORT ( Yes I do include you in OUR SPORT Scrivy, that;s if you ever get to keep your MNZ license after all the slagging of MNZ and staff and FAMILY FINANCUALL MEMBERS on here bringing the sport into disrepute!) This is one sword you should DIE on, the rule is there clear for all to read. " VERBAL ASSULT IS AS DAMAGING AS PHYSICALL, so what;s your excuse for all the pain you are handing out on here.

We can and do all learn from our mistakes, I would hope to see Jim Tuckerman get back in at least one more time, so he can finish some started projects as well as show us the newer projects to keep growing our sport, I suggest that IF JIM was to be Re-Instated " VOTED BACK IN" We would all see a man on a massive mission to PROOVE the slaggers wrong, and a very focused buisness man re garding rules/rolls/actions, PLEASE rememeber folks, the roll is NOT A PAID roll, so based on the FACT that Jim has COMMITTED so many many many hours already to OUR SPORT, lets ALL give the man a chance to Flourish or HANG himself.


Chris Lawrence would be good in the roll, but JIM has not yet peaked in the roll, and WE WOULD BE BLOODY STUPID not to use up his energy/contacts for at least one more year, especially after this total wank thread, the MAN will come out fighting ( NO SCRIVY) just like a WINNER does.

I have said this time and time and time again, the whole PROBLEM with racing in NZ, is THE DAM RIDERS, not MNZ this or that or who ever, just the riders being appethetic and in the case of this thread, just a few with Assumtions and LIES ( Cleaverly typed though) trying to stir the pot because they simplly personally do not like some one, GOOD WORK BOYS< KEEP OUR SPORT GROWING PLEASE

[White trash]

Where the fuck is Shaun and what have you done with him?!

[Billy]

OK, So Jim Tuckerman is a loud mouthed opinionated rudely spoken direct aggresive man?? WOW, Sounds like a PETROLHEAD to me, who has a focus on getting a job done. Actually sounds just like me hahaha

( Trying to use a so called ASSULT charge against him is pathetic! Now I do understand the usage of highlighting the fact that this situation Technically did take place, I also know only JIM and the lady and her man were in the same room together ( Only those 3 where this so called assult took place) Would YOU assult a mans women in front of him? Did not think so, Jim is loud and direct, but far from a women beating moron

POLITICS sneak in here sorry, Jim ( And Team) has achieved SAVINGS for MNZ, the training programmes for stewards etc are growing, the Industry was behind the racing scene last season, Jim has only really just started in this roll, we cannot expect the world to be changed in one year or 2, time is a thing we have to invest into his roll/position, a case of hanging them selves or making better things happen for OUR SPORT ( Yes I do include you in OUR SPORT Scrivy, that;s if you ever get to keep your MNZ license after all the slagging of MNZ and staff and FAMILY FINANCUALL MEMBERS on here bringing the sport into disrepute!) This is one sword you should DIE on, the rule is there clear for all to read. " VERBAL ASSULT IS AS DAMAGING AS PHYSICALL, so what;s your excuse for all the pain you are handing out on here.

We can and do all learn from our mistakes, I would hope to see Jim Tuckerman get back in at least one more time, so he can finish some started projects as well as show us the newer projects to keep growing our sport, I suggest that IF JIM was to be Re-Instated " VOTED BACK IN" We would all see a man on a massive mission to PROOVE the slaggers wrong, and a very focused buisness man re garding rules/rolls/actions, PLEASE rememeber folks, the roll is NOT A PAID roll, so based on the FACT that Jim has COMMITTED so many many many hours already to OUR SPORT, lets ALL give the man a chance to Flourish or HANG himself.


Chris Lawrence would be good in the roll, but JIM has not yet peaked in the roll, and WE WOULD BE BLOODY STUPID not to use up his energy/contacts for at least one more year, especially after this total wank thread, the MAN will come out fighting ( NO SCRIVY) just like a WINNER does.

I have said this time and time and time again, the whole PROBLEM with racing in NZ, is THE DAM RIDERS, not MNZ this or that or who ever, just the riders being appethetic and in the case of this thread, just a few with Assumtions and LIES ( Cleaverly typed though) trying to stir the pot because they simplly personally do not like some one, GOOD WORK BOYS< KEEP OUR SPORT GROWING PLEASE

Well said Shaun,

Add to this the fact Chris has constantly refused too answer My post here or on facebook or directly too me and any of the posts he has answered here or on Marcus's facebook page indicate he has no clear mandate to improve the sport and I reiterate you only have to look at the farce that sidecar racing has become too see where we are headed if Chris is elected,A protest vote is not good enough reason for dragging the sport backwards.

[Drew]

So am I reading this right ? Its OK for a competitor to not follow the correct protocol and inform MNZ of a health issue that COULD affect their ability to control a machine,BUT its not OK for MNZ to use the code of conduct as a tool because the members dont feel its the right protocol even though its in the rulebook.

Oh and waking people up to start a race is not uncommon,When Stroudy did the 4 hour with Brian Bernard a few years back,He was sleeping between his stints and in fact during Brians first stint we had to retreive him from his motorhome where he was asleep,Was a job just to get him to stay in pitlane and sleep

Not really what I meant. I would not endanger myself or anyone else by riding when I wasn't up to it. But I think I'm the best judge of when that is. I would expect Chris to do the same, and infact we all trust our fellow racers to do it every time we line up. The flip side of the same coin I suppose, is that I don't think I would have trusted Bryce to remove himself before the whole thing happened. He rode with an air of being the most important guy on the track (clearly he was wrong as I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON ON THE TRACK). But I've stated already that I do not think that means can justify the ends. If I'm seen to be riding injured or impaired and there is to be punishment for from MNZ for not alerting them to an ailment, then I want a chance to present my case.

We all enjoy the freedoms offered by due process, we are all subject to the code of conduct set out in the constitution of our club. The only time it does not apply is if any rule or guidline is in direct conflict with the rules of sporting NZ, or NZ law.

Again, what I meant about Bruce is that the guy was fuckin ill. He could hardly stand up, and looked as though if he caught a sniff of the hotdog stands he'd barf up his own intestine, rather than any food because he was so thin a cornflake would have stood out against his stomach.

[Shaun]

Well said Shaun,

I reiterate you only have to look at the farce that sidecar racing has become too see where we are headed if Chris is elected,A protest vote is not good enough reason for dragging the sport backwards.


Scrivy says it is good enough Billy, so it must be, as he is Genuinely serious about trying to help the New Zealand officuall championship for the good of all, as his race entries PROOVE:shit:



I am sure Chris is very busy mate, running his own buisness with 3 staff takes a lot of commitment and time management, as well as He is out and about at the moment putting his face in front of people to build the numbers required to win the ellection, and bloody good on him for the work he is doing, but just Once more, IF he really has some thing to offer us, OFFER IT UP CHRIS? Not your MOUTH piece on here please please please

When there already are plan/s in place, it is quite SIMPLE to step in and take over and keep it functioning, but coming up with and manageing NEW idea's/plan's is where the experience and contacts kick in!!!!!!!!

COST OF RACING TO EXSPENSIVE

Fuckin Bollocks, Yea it is exspensive, but so is taking a DUMP these days with the cost of toilet paper, Milk, Petrol, Not to mention STELLA:S:yes:

Fact is the costs have gone up, and will keep going up, but this dose not stop the kids from getting new Cell phones and gadgets to play with, the sport just needs the Junior classes worked on BIG TIME to bring on the future racers, a ONE make tyre rule, again BOLLOCKS, some riders love what they love and hate what they hate ie, SIMON CRAFER etc etc etc.

We can ALL complain about many many things, but how many of US actually come up with constructive idea;s????? Very easy to bash, but bloody hard to create new idea;s revenues for our sport

[Drew]

you only have to look at the farce that sidecar racing has become too see where we are headed if Chris is elected,A protest vote is not good enough reason for dragging the sport backwards.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I'm trying to remain impartial on this thread and not pick sides.

I am however getting pissed off with the finger pointing regarding sidecars. I haven't seen any reason to blame Chris for the downturn in numbers at the nats, for anything more than the ONE rig he would have been riding. He and others approached only riders not committing to the nats to go to OZ this year. It was my fault there wasn't a grid for three of the five rounds this year, so you are more than welcome to slag me for it.

[sidecar bob]

you only have to look at the farce that sidecar racing has become too see where we are headed if Chris is elected

the blame for that rests with the Jim Tuckerman Steve Bron backroom alliance & Jim ignoring the majority vote in favour of his special chum.
Im not sure what Chris has got to do with it, he hasnt had a governing role in the NZSRA for several years now.

Chris not answering questions on here? well Shaun told Jim to stay away so whats the difference? of course Chris is probably smart enough not to need advising of that by a gremlin & probably worked that out for himself.
As you were now.:violin: