MNZ board nominations [Archive] - Page 5

Billy

23rd April 2011, 11:31

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I'm trying to remain impartial on this thread and not pick sides.

I am however getting pissed off with the finger pointing regarding sidecars. I haven't seen any reason to blame Chris for the downturn in numbers at the nats, for anything more than the ONE rig he would have been riding. He and others approached only riders not committing to the nats to go to OZ this year. It was my fault there wasn't a grid for three of the five rounds this year, so you are more than welcome to slag me for it.

Hi Drew,

As I have stated in previous posts,I dont blame Chris completely and I understand completely he only has one rig,But by not fronting himself he was aggravating the situation and Im sure most people are aware of his popularity and standing amongst the sidecar fraternity,If anybody could have reversed the situation it was him.
Re the he was only 1 rig comment,What say I had taken that attitude towards having the Prolite class recognised as a National championship this past season,Oh I can only take 4 bikes to round 1 and they won't accept less than 6,Bugger it I won't bother,That would have meant there were only 4 bikes on the grid and the Championship wouldnt have ever got off the ground,I wouldnt ask absolutely anybody else,Chris included to go to the lengths I did,But atleast fronting up and showing some solidarity would have alleviated the situation and quite frankly his "I dont have to do the Nationals every year"Statement just doesnt wash with a lot of people.

Ill ask the question again,Is this how he intends too run MNZ if elected??

Billy

23rd April 2011, 11:39

the blame for that rests with the Jim Tuckerman Steve Bron backroom alliance & Jim ignoring the majority vote in favour of his special chum.

WELL IF THATS HOW YOU SEE IT STEVE,THEN YOUR ENTITLED TOO YOUR OPINION AND OTHERS ARE ENTITLED TOO THEIRS
Im not sure what Chris has got to do with it, he hasnt had a governing role in the NZSRA for several years now.
I HAVE EXPLAINED MY OPINION ON THIS IN ANOTHER POST
Chris not answering questions on here? well Shaun told Jim to stay away so whats the difference? of course Chris is probably smart enough not to need advising of that by a gremlin & probably worked that out for himself.
As you were now.:violin:

Again fair call,But I have offered him the opportunity too answer on facebook or directly to my email address,Which he has clearly chosen too ignore,Care to explain???

Billy

23rd April 2011, 11:47

hay if you can't race you can't
no body should slag you for it

correct and to the best of my knowledge nobody has slagged drew,least of all me

there are just people out there trying to make chris look bad

look bad,or trying too get his "slant" on it so we can establish if this is how mnz will be operated under his presidency
if chris lets other people ride his chair isn't that good for the sport

no thats great,pity it couldnt have been for the whole series like i did with 5 of my bikes too support a championship!

Drew

23rd April 2011, 11:51

"I dont have to do the Nationals every year"Statement just doesnt wash with a lot of people.

Ill ask the question again,Is this how he intends too run MNZ if elected??

I'm sure Scrivy will be along directly to answer this, which is not ideal.

I doubt it's how anybody would try and run the club, and I doubt anyone could in good conscience allow themselves to be nominated for the position if they would.

Here's what I think would be a positive step in the running of our club. Anyone with aspirations of running it, should have a minimum term of being on the board first. It does a couple of things.

1. They get first hand experience of how things are done now, to better equip themselves for implementing any changes they would like to see.

2. It allows members to see how they handle themselves, and get e feel for their integrity.

3. It potentially puts them in a tough position, at making them work along side someone they don't agree with on the issue.

The third one is pertinent in this case. Jim and Chris would likely struggle at working together, especially after all this shit. How they handle themselves and the situation would be quite telling as to who is the better man for the job. Diplomacy is key in such a role, and any underhandedness would be witnessed by three other board members.

Can someone please tell me (so I don't have to look up the procedure myself), how I can table this idea for consideration and a member vote? If it's anything like other clubs I've been a member of I'll have to present the idea with a minimum time period before an AGM. So that submissions for and against can be compiled.

Billy

23rd April 2011, 12:04

I'm sure Scrivy will be along directly to answer this, which is not ideal.

I doubt it's how anybody would try and run the club, and I doubt anyone could in good conscience allow themselves to be nominated for the position if they would.

Here's what I think would be a positive step in the running of our club. Anyone with aspirations of running it, should have a minimum term of being on the board first. It does a couple of things.

1. They get first hand experience of how things are done now, to better equip themselves for implementing any changes they would like to see.

2. It allows members to see how they handle themselves, and get e feel for their integrity.

3. It potentially puts them in a tough position, at making them work along side someone they don't agree with on the issue.

The third one is pertinent in this case. Jim and Chris would likely struggle at working together, especially after all this shit. How they handle themselves and the situation would be quite telling as to who is the better man for the job. Diplomacy is key in such a role, and any underhandedness would be witnessed by three other board members.

Can someone please tell me (so I don't have to look up the procedure myself), how I can table this idea for consideration and a member vote? If it's anything like other clubs I've been a member of I'll have to present the idea with a minimum time period before an AGM. So that submissions for and against can be compiled.

Good post Drew,

I cant tell you how too implement the changes,But if you cant be bothered(and I wouldnt blame you)scrolling through the website or the manual,Then possibly you could try calling or emailing the office or a board member.

Oh and MNZ is waaaay bigger than the average club,If you go to Marcus's facebook page youll see a post from Jim that will give you some insight as to the size of the operation.

slowpoke

23rd April 2011, 12:10

COST OF RACING TO EXSPENSIVE

Fuckin Bollocks, Yea it is exspensive, but so is taking a DUMP these days with the cost of toilet paper, Milk, Petrol, Not to mention STELLA:S:yes:....

....the sport just needs the Junior classes worked on BIG TIME to bring on the future racers, a ONE make tyre rule, again BOLLOCKS, some riders love what they love and hate what they hate ie, SIMON CRAFER etc etc etc.

I'm gonna agree and disagree with ya Shaun. Totally agree regards the cost of racing. Sure it's expensive but that's undeniably the nature of our sport, it's not just a case of buying new pair of footy boots every season. The numbers at Vic Club or Tri-Series meetings tells me there are plenty of people who think the cost/fun ratio isn't too bad. Try finding a decent pit spot undercover at Manfeild after 7am at a Winter Series race day and you'll be sorely disappointed.

But, I think the sport needs more than just the development of Junior riders. Last years Tri-Series was proof to me that promotion is our biggest problem. Awesome overseas riders, biggest and best fields seen for decades, factory involvement, new manufacturers involved, etc etc.....yet there was still only a handful of spectators at Hampton Downs, with a third of the population of NZ within a 3 hour drive.

Bottom line, we could produce our very own Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo wonder-kids next year and the stands would still be empty.

Our sport is invisible to the general public and not much seems to be happening to change that.

Nonbeliever

23rd April 2011, 12:49

Bottom line, we could produce our very own Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo wonder-kids next year and the stands would still be empty.

rossi, lorenzo hmm ok, but lets hope we dont produce a snotty little wanker like stoner

jellywrestler

23rd April 2011, 13:10

a supporter of mine was hanging around my pit area drunk!
Jeez. I don't even remember being there! Still it was a long time ago

jellywrestler

23rd April 2011, 13:17

Yea it is exspensive, but so is taking a DUMP these days with the cost of toilet paper

Try using old copies of the yellow pages to save buying toilet paper, but be warned, you've got to use at least three sheets otherwise 'your fingers will do the walking'!

Billy

23rd April 2011, 13:54

I'm gonna agree and disagree with ya Shaun. Totally agree regards the cost of racing. Sure it's expensive but that's undeniably the nature of our sport, it's not just a case of buying new pair of footy boots every season. The numbers at Vic Club or Tri-Series meetings tells me there are plenty of people who think the cost/fun ratio isn't too bad. Try finding a decent pit spot undercover at Manfeild after 7am at a Winter Series race day and you'll be sorely disappointed.

But, I think the sport needs more than just the development of Junior riders. Last years Tri-Series was proof to me that promotion is our biggest problem. Awesome overseas riders, biggest and best fields seen for decades, factory involvement, new manufacturers involved, etc etc.....yet there was still only a handful of spectators at Hampton Downs, with a third of the population of NZ within a 3 hour drive.

Bottom line, we could produce our very own Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo wonder-kids next year and the stands would still be empty.

Our sport is invisible to the general public and not much seems to be happening to change that.

Yerr,

First point being the stands at both Ruapuna and Manfeild were relatively full at the NZSBK rounds and that was probably down to better promotion,However if as you say the main focus should be better promotion,What will the spectacle be in say 5 years time??Have a look at the 600 feild in this years Championship the 2 classes were littered with up and coming riders coming out of the South Island and the class is becoming a spectacle in its own right,Compare that with Auckland which has a population base of roughly the same size and lets see how many stars there are coming out of there,Ummm Avalon Biddle(Had extensive training at MCC and competed as a junior in the CBR cup Aust),Daniel Mettam,Also had some guest appearances and training from Peter Jones and the red bull rookies cup,Jayden Hassan(Also spent time at MCC),Did I miss any?Not that impressive aye.Too prove my point as to the level streetstock is down there,Al Hoogie couldnt win a race at ruapuna in the support class at the National round!The Superbike GP at Ruapuna was nothing more than a procession that was only made a spectacle by the commentators emphasising the fact Stroudy may not have enough fuel on board to complete the race,Otherwise you wouldnt have heard the bikes for the snoring!!In fact Craig Shirriffs was so bored he pitted for an energy drink and fell asleep LOL

Yes Promotion is important,But not more important than junior induction and training.

Billy

23rd April 2011, 13:56

Jeez. I don't even remember being there! Still it was a long time ago

And you probably dont remember where you were yesterday either!!!

jellywrestler

23rd April 2011, 14:53

And you probably dont remember where you were yesterday either!!!
not so, at 16.31 I was apparently yelling at my computer, if ya don't beleive me see post #966

Billy

23rd April 2011, 15:10

not so, at 16.31 I was apparently yelling at my computer, if ya don't beleive me see post #966

Ah Yes can be a wonderful thing this technology?It can even help you disguise the early signs of alzhiemers LOL

Drew

23rd April 2011, 15:13

Ah Yes can be a wonderful thing this technology?It can even help you disguise the early signs of alzhiemers LOL

He usually tells someone where he's going, incase that information might be required later. I'd tell Scrivy if I was in the same boat. Then I could get the info back later on a letter head.:Pokey:

Billy

23rd April 2011, 15:39

He usually tells someone where he's going, incase that information might be required later. I'd tell Scrivy if I was in the same boat. Then I could get the info back later on a letter head.:Pokey:

Bwahahahahahaha!Yeah but then youd have to have all the writing straight up and down cause he doesnt like too read slanted posts.

slowpoke

23rd April 2011, 16:22

Yerr,

First point being the stands at both Ruapuna and Manfeild were relatively full at the NZSBK rounds and that was probably down to better promotion,However if as you say the main focus should be better promotion,What will the spectacle be in say 5 years time??Have a look at the 600 feild in this years Championship the 2 classes were littered with up and coming riders coming out of the South Island and the class is becoming a spectacle in its own right,Compare that with Auckland which has a population base of roughly the same size and lets see how many stars there are coming out of there,Ummm Avalon Biddle(Had extensive training at MCC and competed as a junior in the CBR cup Aust),Daniel Mettam,Also had some guest appearances and training from Peter Jones and the red bull rookies cup,Jayden Hassan(Also spent time at MCC),Did I miss any?Not that impressive aye.Too prove my point as to the level streetstock is down there,Al Hoogie couldnt win a race at ruapuna in the support class at the National round!The Superbike GP at Ruapuna was nothing more than a procession that was only made a spectacle by the commentators emphasising the fact Stroudy may not have enough fuel on board to complete the race,Otherwise you wouldnt have heard the bikes for the snoring!!In fact Craig Shirriffs was so bored he pitted for an energy drink and fell asleep LOL

Yes Promotion is important,But not more important than junior induction and training.

I think we're talking at cross purposes big fulla. I totally agree if you want the best racers you have to push the youngsters and the competition/training they get. You and Pete, by the way, do a fantastic job of that. But I think that's a separate issue to growing the sport as a whole.

One way to look at it would be to ask ourselves: how does creating more Stroud's and Slights and Crafar's help the general rank and file competitors? Given that the general public doesn't know who these people are I can't think of a reason. An increase in overall skill level doesn't make the sport more affordable, attract more sponsors, or increase recognition/marketability. The most famous bike racer in NZ is probably Johnny Hepburn, and ironically because of his V8 Taxi Racing exposure.

Which is why I think promotion is our biggest hurdle. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but on a great weekend weatherwise there would have been less than a thousand spectators attracted to the Manfeild NZSBK round and far less than the average number of competitors at a Vic Winter event. Neither number is acceptable for what is an exciting easily marketed NZ Championship event and it's a hard sell to any sponsor who isn't in it for the love of it.

I see promotion as key for increasing public visibility/recognition and therefore "sponsor-ability" so talented guys like Johnny Burkhart and others aren't forced out of the sport as soon as they've got a missus and a mortgage or have a decent crash (one and the same thing?). With increased exposure comes a little less reaching into our own pockets as more sponsors become involved, and more people rock up to meetings, and more competitors are inclined to enter and more youngsters wanna have a crack at it etc etc. That to me is growing the sport as a whole and helps out every single competitor.

But hey, it's not an either or situation, and things would dramatically improve if we tackled both issues. Higher profile events with better riders and increased competition, what's not to like?

But that's the beauty of a forum like this, you and I can present our views and ideas on what is the best way forward for our sport, while other people will agree/disagree or come up with something entirely different. MNZ could do a lot worse than to create something similar to interact with their members, I reckon people would be a lot more aware and more involved. Hell, MNZ wouldn't even have to participate, (but it would be nice if someone did) they could just sit back and observe the discussions and issues that it's members bring up.

But as it stands I've got no idea what Jim and Chris's thoughts are on the way forward, so why would I bother voting?

Kickaha

23rd April 2011, 17:40

I also know only JIM and the lady and her man were in the same room together ( Only those 3 where this so called assault took place) Would YOU assault a mans women in front of him? Did not think so, Jim is loud and direct, but far from a women beating moron

In the same room? :rolleyes::killingme

I'm also not convinced on the moron bit

I am sure Chris is very busy mate, running his own buisness with 3 staff takes a lot of commitment and time management, as well as He is out and about at the moment putting his face in front of people to build the numbers required to win the ellection, and bloody good on him for the work he is doing, but just Once more, IF he really has some thing to offer us, OFFER IT UP CHRIS? Not your MOUTH piece on here please please please

Why would he bother doing it on here?, he'll reach far more people "putting his face in front of people" at events than he ever would here

White trash

23rd April 2011, 19:39

The most famous bike racer in NZ is probably Johnny Hepburn, and ironically because of his V8 Taxi Racing exposure.

Ummmm, what are they smoking off the western shore of the western island there big fella?

Aaron Slight is without a doubt the most recognised NZ motorcycle racer. I'm a bike racing enthusiast, and doubt if I could pick Johnny Hepburn out of a street full of people. Put him on a bike and I'll point him out but he's far from NZs most recognizable MC racer.

Steve Bron, now there's a racer you'll never forget..........

Billy

23rd April 2011, 20:43

I think we're talking at cross purposes big fulla. I totally agree if you want the best racers you have to push the youngsters and the competition/training they get. You and Pete, by the way, do a fantastic job of that.

But as it stands I've got no idea what Jim and Chris's thoughts are on the way forward, so why would I bother voting?

i think you'd be stretching it a bit too compare the results Pete and the team at MCC and His successor Jenni Gibson have achieved and anything thats happened in the North Island.Too be completely honest with the culture within the North Island scene at the moment,I seriously doubt anybody North of Picton is even going too come close EVER!!

Not voting is not an option!You can't get on an internet forum and constantly rabbit on about the results attained by MNZ whoever is at the helm and profess to have all the answers and then not do your bit by researching the candidates and their supporters and then making an informed decision too vote for one or the other!

MNZ is a much bigger animal than roadracing itself,5500 members and I'll wager a bet less than 500 of them are roadracers,

The sport is not run by the President,He is merely the person charged with overseeing the running of the Organisation and ensuring the respective commissioners are on the ball and happily beavering away.Aswell as a hoard of other activities including dealing with the FIM.In this area the board/commissions and Jim have moved the sport forward over the last 2 years.

These are the people that need to be responsible for their respective disciplines and thats who should be contacted for enquiries and complaints as well as the on road and off road board members for the 2 islands.

Too be Frank Spud,

If Jim were too go and some of his support from the board and commissions were to go with him(either cause they are replaced or resign),I too would cease all of the work I do in the streetstock/Prolite scene simply because Id be wasting my time,The only traction Ive had has been through these channels,Certainly not the clubs north of Picton and in fact some of the other people claiming to be trying too organise entry level systems in the North island have been way more of a hinderance than helpful,Problem being they have better links within the clubs than I.

So make a decision and either keep me busy or able to finally spend some time with my 7 kids,27 grandkids and 2 greatgrandkids.

White trash

23rd April 2011, 20:47

or make a decision and either keep me busy or able to finally spend some time with my 7 kids,27 grandkids and 2 greatgrandkids.

Wanna spend some time with mine? I'm over it............

Billy

23rd April 2011, 22:33

Wanna spend some time with mine? I'm over it............

Bwahahaha!Yeah,I was thinking about that earlier,Probably be more stress and work than motorcycling

slowpoke

24th April 2011, 11:56

Ummmm, what are they smoking off the western shore of the western island there big fella?

Aaron Slight is without a doubt the most recognised NZ motorcycle racer. I'm a bike racing enthusiast, and doubt if I could pick Johnny Hepburn out of a street full of people. Put him on a bike and I'll point him out but he's far from NZs most recognizable MC racer.

Steve Bron, now there's a racer you'll never forget..........

Sorry, I meant famous to the general NZ public, not amongst bikers. Slight, Stroud, Coppins, King (and a host of others) should be household names with what they have accomplished here and overseas, but instead we know/hear more about Shane van Gisbergen who has accomplished bugger all in comparison (nothing against The Giz).

Not voting is not an option!You can't get on an internet forum and constantly rabbit on about the results attained by MNZ whoever is at the helm and profess to have all the answers and then not do your bit by researching the candidates and their supporters and then making an informed decision too vote for one or the other!

MNZ is a much bigger animal than roadracing itself,5500 members and I'll wager a bet less than 500 of them are roadracers,

The sport is not run by the President,He is merely the person charged with overseeing the running of the Organisation and ensuring the respective commissioners are on the ball and happily beavering away.Aswell as a hoard of other activities including dealing with the FIM.In this area the board/commissions and Jim have moved the sport forward over the last 2 years.

These are the people that need to be responsible for their respective disciplines and thats who should be contacted for enquiries and complaints as well as the on road and off road board members for the 2 islands.

Too be Frank Spud,

If Jim were too go and some of his support from the board and commissions were to go with him(either cause they are replaced or resign),I too would cease all of the work I do in the streetstock/Prolite scene simply because Id be wasting my time,The only traction Ive had has been through these channels,Certainly not the clubs north of Picton and in fact some of the other people claiming to be trying too organise entry level systems in the North island have been way more of a hinderance than helpful,Problem being they have better links within the clubs than I.

So make a decision and either keep me busy or able to finally spend some time with my 7 kids,27 grandkids and 2 greatgrandkids.

OK Frank, fair comments re doing my research, I'll let you know what Mr Google thinks of Jim and Chris, haha.

7 kids? 27 grandkids? No blardy wonder you've got so many bikes at yours, and no wonder you've managed to make a business out of fixin' 'em! Although I'm thinkin' if you'd spent a lil' more time in the shed early on and a lil' less time chasin' the missus 'round the kitchen table you might have a tad more time on your hands now.....

Seriously, all I know is Chris was involved in building up the TRRS into an awesome show a couple of years back, and that the Road Race scene has improved under Jims reign. I'm not sure where to look for further information....but I do spend 6 months of the year staring at 4 steel walls so any excuse to look for/at something else is welcome relief......especially if either of 'em has got a nice set of boobs, even man boobs are fine towards the end of the shift. Hence I can rabbit on dreaming up criticisms of MNZ and solutions to problems that mightn't even exist, but have fuck all chance of putting words into practice. Frankly Frank, I'm too busy chasin' my missus 'round the kitchen table when i'm home, although I'm finding my good lady is a lot faster with her skirt up round her hips than I am with my pants 'round my ankles so my successes have been few and far between....

slowpoke

24th April 2011, 12:00

Wanna spend some time with mine? I'm over it............

Haha, another fast fucker built like a racing sardine, I'm beginning to think being slow (in sooooo many ways) isn't a bad thing!

Tony.OK

24th April 2011, 12:17

I'm finding my good lady is a lot faster with her skirt up round her hips than I am with my pants 'round my ankles

Now that is worthy of becoming a signature my red headed friend!!

Billy

24th April 2011, 12:28

I'm too busy chasin' my missus 'round the kitchen table when i'm home, although I'm finding my good lady is a lot faster with her skirt up round her hips than I am with my pants 'round my ankles so my successes have been few and far between....

Jeez Spud,Your not the sharpest tool in the shed aye,I had the same problem initially!!All you have to do is put the table in the corner LOL Simple aye???

jasonu

24th April 2011, 12:32

Sorry, I meant famous to the general NZ public, not amongst bikers. Slight, Stroud, Coppins, King (and a host of others) should be household names with what they have accomplished here and overseas, but instead we know/hear more about Shane van Gisbergen who has accomplished bugger all in comparison (nothing against The Giz).

....

Who is Shane Van Gisbergen?

jellywrestler

24th April 2011, 13:05

a nice set of boobs

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Boobs....

Matt Bleck

24th April 2011, 17:41

jasonu

24th April 2011, 18:10

Hmm, i would of thought Ivan Mauger would be NZ's most famous motorcycle racer? :facepalm:

Hugh Anderson, Graham Crosby.

slowpoke

24th April 2011, 20:15

Hmm, i would of thought Ivan Mauger would be NZ's most famous motorcycle racer? :facepalm:

Hugh Anderson, Graham Crosby.

As I said, I meant to the general public. Bikers will hopefully know those names and realise what they have achieved....but I'd hazard a guess the average Kiwi wouldn't recognise the names or their awesome achievements.

But hey, I reckon things are moving forward judging from the past season so it's all good.

scrivy

24th April 2011, 21:57

I have been told 2 sides of the story on here and where it all started from,

Shaun, you say you have been TOLD 2 sides of the story. Have you ever gotten the NZSRA side of the story from listening to members yourself? If so, from whom??
It appears you have made your mind up with no communication from the NZSRA.
So who told you our 'side' of the story then Shaun?? Someone you trust, but no one from the NZSRA?

the blame for that rests with the Jim Tuckerman Steve Bron backroom alliance & Jim ignoring the majority vote in favour of his special chump.
Im not sure what Chris has got to do with it, he hasnt had a governing role in the NZSRA for several years now.
Spot on Bob. But Shaun knows more than we do about it, 'cause he's got NZSRA's 'side' of the story too, but won't say who he's talked to.

Here's the story I got about the alleged assault.
At the end of a meeting as Jim was driving out of the car park, some chick yelled out to him to stop. He did and as she was getting to the car he opened the door and it struck her.
But that's my own idea, I haven't heard anything about it from anyone.
As I said before Drew, there was no car involved.
It appears that someone has deliberatly told inconvenient truths about it.

A potential sponsorship meeting Jim had should have been dealt with in a far more professional manner as there was the potential for a pretty damn large cheque in it.
What happened at the meeting?? What did Jim do wrong??

My only experience of Chris is that he's a smiley dude who's always talking to every second person around the pits.
I agree with you totally on that Drew!!

OK, So Jim Tuckerman is a loud mouthed opinionated rudely spoken direct aggresive man??
I totally agree with you Shaun.
WOW, Sounds like a PETROLHEAD to me,
No Shaun, he sounds like a bully, with an anger management issue. I know lots of petrolheads, most are not bullies or intimidating

the fact that this situation Technically did take place,

The police finding on this matter is:
“We have decided to "formally warn" Mr Tuckerman for this incident. The will be a record on his file that this occurred and if something similar to this occurs again then we will more than likely take a different action.” (Constable Shewry)

I also know only JIM and the lady and her man were in the same room together ( Only those 3 where this so called assult took place) Would YOU assult a mans women in front of him? Did not think so, Jim is loud and direct, but far from a women beating moron
You also KNOW.....? Sorry Shaun you are WRONG. This assault did not take place in a room - no where near a room, and there were more than the 3 people present, and the witnesses gave statements. So, where did you get your erroneous information from?

( Yes I do include you in OUR SPORT Scrivy, that;s if you ever get to keep your MNZ license after all the slagging of MNZ and staff and FAMILY FINANCUALL MEMBERS on here bringing the sport into disrepute!) This is one sword you should DIE on, the rule is there clear for all to read. " VERBAL ASSULT IS AS DAMAGING AS PHYSICALL, so what;s your excuse for all the pain you are handing out on here.
Just letting everyone know what Tuckerman has done to MNZ members. Oh, and it's not called pain, it's called truth.
If Tuckerman hits me with a code of conduct breach, it'll cost him in court. 'Cause unfortunately that's the only place a grievance with MNZ's code of conduct can go - the Sports Tribunal. Rest assured Shaun, you know I would be more than keen to expose Jim there. Imagine the great media attention too!! So it doesn't daunt me Shaun.

Not voting is not an option!You can't get on an internet forum and constantly rabbit on about the results attained by MNZ whoever is at the helm and profess to have all the answers and then not do your bit by researching the candidates and their supporters and then making an informed decision too vote for one or the other!
Absolutely agree!

Too be Frank Spud,
If Jim were too go and some of his support from the board and commissions were to go with him(either cause they are replaced or resign),I too would cease all of the work I do in the streetstock/Prolite scene simply because Id be wasting my time,
Why do you say that Billy?? Chris certainly would not destroy any of the hard work you have done with your class Billy. The Board wouldn't let that happen either.

The only traction Ive had has been through these channels,Certainly not the clubs north of Picton and in fact some of the other people claiming to be trying too organise entry level systems in the North island have been way more of a hinderance than helpful,Problem being they have better links within the clubs than I.
Have you sat in on a commissioners meeting to discuss the issues you have for the betterment of your class??

Being an internet site, everyone has a right to comment on any of the issues raised on it. Remembering that there are always two sides to every story.
Shaun, Billy etc., have their views, I and others have ours.
The more information about the candidates put out to voters prior to an election is only a good thing.

Billy

24th April 2011, 23:18

Spot on Bob. But Shaun knows more than we do about it, 'cause he's got NZSRA's 'side' of the story too, but won't say who he's talked to.

Regarding the National championship,The simple answer is this,The championship ran,The clubs catered for sidecars,MNZ advertised them,Some turned up,Some did not,Those that chose to stay away were the ones that wrecked it,For whatever reason !!!

Being an internet site, everyone has a right to comment on any of the issues raised on it. Remembering that there are always two sides to every story.
Shaun, Billy etc., have their views, I and others have ours.
The more information about the candidates put out to voters prior to an election is only a good thing.

Fully agree re the internet.It is everybodys platform to offer their side of the story and in fact I mentioned the same statement in reply too Steve just the other day.

But riddle me this,How can you justify rubbishing Shaun for not having both sides of the story and making an assumption when you clearly stated on this thread,You havent and wont speak too Jim to hear his side??? And yet your adamant hes guilty even though the police havent charged him.

Or is it because your freinds dont lie and Jims associates do??

Im not in the least bit concerned whether Chris has plans to make changes or otherwise,However I have to consider my options as well,As Ive stated I have a good working relationship with some members of the board and commissions,These people have been of immense help too me and without them I would have got no where,Until such times as the election has taken place and I see whos left I cant really make any firm commitments.That decision may not be Chris's too make IF hes elected,Assuming my contacts were to be replaced Im not about to start all over again and Have notified the scholarship commitee at the Victoria MCC today.

The fact Chris is clearly stonewalling me is not confidence inspiring and you only have to visit Marcus's facebook page to see it,If he doesnt have a clear mandate for junior development and induction then he should say so!

Matt Bleck

25th April 2011, 08:27

As I said, I meant to the general public. Bikers will hopefully know those names and realise what they have achieved....but I'd hazard a guess the average Kiwi wouldn't recognise the names or their awesome achievements.

But hey, I reckon things are moving forward judging from the past season so it's all good.

actually I'll take back that Ivan Mauger comment and say it's more likely to be the fastest Indian chap.... who's name eludes me at the moment! :laugh: :p :D

Shaun

25th April 2011, 08:59

So who told you our 'side' of the story then Shaun?? Someone you trust, but no one from the NZSRA?

Spot on Bob. But Shaun knows more than we do about it, 'cause he's got NZSRA's 'side' of the story too, but won't say who he's talked to.

Being an internet site, everyone has a right to comment on any of the issues raised on it. Remembering that there are always two sides to every story.
Shaun, Billy etc., have their views, I and others have ours.
The more information about the candidates put out to voters prior to an election is only a good thing.

Like you I guess Scrivy, I do NOT need to Proove anything, I can just call People lyers AT WILL, AS THIS IS ONLY THE INTERNET

scrivy

25th April 2011, 09:40

Regarding the National championship,The simple answer is this,The championship ran,The clubs catered for sidecars,MNZ advertised them,Some turned up,Some did not,Those that chose to stay away were the ones that wrecked it,For whatever reason !!!

Morning Billy,
Most of NZ's sidecar racers are 'club level' racers - even Steve Bron called us that!
Why is it that you don't get angry over the other classes that race at club level, but don't race at Nats level? Seems strange to me.
There are also a few sidecars in CHCH that either didn't race down south, or didn't do the full rounds either.
There are also alot of sidecars that only do the street meetings too.

Fully agree re the internet.It is everybodys platform to offer their side of the story and in fact I mentioned the same statement in reply too Steve just the other day.

How can you justify rubbishing Shaun for not having both sides of the story and making an assumption when you clearly stated on this thread,You havent and wont speak too Jim to hear his side??? And yet your adamant hes guilty even though the police havent charged him.
Jim has treated the NZSRA extremely badly since he's been President. Of all my dealings with Jim, he has never been prepared to listen to others, and even makes up his own rulings contradictory to MNZ's rulebook and constitution. As shaun says 'people lie, distort and twist....' Well, Jim did exactly that with several e-mails that were sent to him last year. For that reason, I will not speak to Jim, because I know he lies, and distorts, I have the proof to read.

As for Shaun, he has never once told us who he has gotten his information from. He is either lying or bullshitting. He can come on here and tell us all, but chooses not to. I have told you everyone I have spoken to, why can't Shaun??
Shaun has attacked the NZSRA for well over a year, (go back and read his posts).
If Shaun was genuinely interested in sidecars as he says he is, then why not get off his chuff and ring ANY member in the NZSRA for their views. Rather than stating untruths on here.

Im not in the least bit concerned whether Chris has plans to make changes or otherwise,
So why make that comment of leaving then???

Assuming my contacts were to be replaced Im not about to start all over again and Have notified the scholarship commitee at the Victoria MCC today.
As I've said before Billy, Chris hasn't got an agenda to do that, he's not going to screw you over. He is passionate about the junior riders too.

Chris is clearly stonewalling me
Billy, Chris isn't stonewalling you.
Saturday he was at the Tokoroa MX - and talked to Carmen and Bryan there also.
Sunday he was in Rotorua. Getting home late tonight I understand.

Most NZ racers aren't on KB or Facebook Billy, so Chris has decided to go to events and talk directly with racers, rather than writing something on here that gets twisted and distorted.

scrivy

25th April 2011, 09:44

Like you I guess Scrivy, I do NOT need to Proove anything, I can just call People lyers AT WILL, AS THIS IS ONLY THE INTERNET

Sorry Shaun,

You do yourself no favours when you state something that is blatantly WRONG, and can't provide more details about an event - other than the WRONG information you were fed by someone else.
Who are you trying to protect??

Str8 Jacket

25th April 2011, 09:48

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend

Kickaha

25th April 2011, 09:54

There are also a few sidecars in CHCH that either didn't race down south, or didn't do the full rounds either

This coming season we expect to have enough to be able to run three National rounds without needing any sidecars from up North

Sorry Shaun,

You do yourself no favours when you state something that is blatantly WRONG, and can't provide more details about an event - other than the WRONG information you were fed by someone else.
Who are you trying to protect??

Fuck you're a whining cunt, why don't you take your medication and fuck off home to mummy like a good little boy

jellywrestler

25th April 2011, 10:27

Most NZ racers aren't on KB

Superbike Nationals Competitors who are KB members, this doesn't include direct team members

Andrew Stroud
Craig Shirriffs
Sloan 'Choppa' Frost
Nick Cole
James Smith

Not a bad representation though eh?

scrivy

25th April 2011, 10:33

Superbike Nationals Competitors who are KB members, this doesn't include direct team members

Andrew Stroud
Craig Shirriffs
Sloan 'Choppa' Frost
Nick Cole
James Smith

Not a bad representation though eh?

...and how many will vote?

scrivy

25th April 2011, 10:57

Billy

25th April 2011, 11:05

Billy, Chris isn't stonewalling you.
Saturday he was at the Tokoroa MX - and talked to Carmen and Bryan there also.
Sunday he was in Rotorua. Getting home late tonight I understand.

Most NZ racers aren't on KB or Facebook Billy, so Chris has decided to go to events and talk directly with racers, rather than writing something on here that gets twisted and distorted.

Sorry Hels,But I just gotta :-)

So What if Shaun doesnt want too tell you where he got his information from?

What if he got it solely from Jim Tuckerman and only has 1 side of the story?How does that make him less qualified than you to comment,You have stated here on a number of occasions you haven't spoken too Jim and got his side.

I'll ask you again to clarify how you can be right and everybody else wrong??????

RE Chris,If your going to tell BLATANT LIES your going too get caught out,Visit Marcus's facebook page yourself and you'll see he has answered questions asked after mine too Graham Bastow and Dee wintle before going away too the Junior Moto x nationals ????

Personally I dont give a rats butt if he doesnt answer them or what his agenda is as MNZ president! I dont work with the president directly as Ive already stated previously and by not answering them he's only making himself look bad,Why would I care about that?Im more than happy with the progress made by the current board and commissions and Ive already vote for Jim.

Leaving????? Dont think so!!!It makes NO difference too me whos president,I'll always be around as a competitor,I just won't waste my time banging heads with any newcomers that may or may not appear on the junior scene!!!

Oh and I said ALL the competitors not just NZSRA members

Billy

25th April 2011, 11:28

15th February 2010 20:01 #181 Billy

The sidecar guys have made the effort to form an organisation to help move the sport forward,As an outsider looking in,It seems too me MNZ made a mistake by going against the associations wishes for a continuation of what appears too be the norm for a number of years,

Or is this a new mandate brought in by the new president and board so we dont continue to do the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result ?

Why have you changed your views now Billy?
Not taking the piss. I genuinely would like to know.

Scrivy

I havent changed my views,I think its a good thing youve formed an association too take your views and concerns and it would be good if all classes had a similar set up.

What Im against is that just because the association had made a suggestion too MNZ and when it wasnt adhered too you guys have gone out of your way too destroy the National championship for all involved in sidecar racing and remember for whatever reason,Not everybody belongs to the association.

At the end of the day MNZ are the governing body in NZ and have the final say,Again the association is a good thing,BUT not the be all and end all and shouldnt be used in the way it appears to have been over the last couple of years.

We all want too see the sidecars out there,All the bullshit about dropping oil and the likes aside,A full grid of competitive sidecars is as exciting too watch as any class and you and Bob in particular,Spinning the rearwheel/passenger wheel in the air and waving to the crowd is a sight too behold,BUT it doesnt buy you or anybody else sole rights to how the championship is run!!!

Too compare apples with apples,There were a number of solo competitors that didnt want 3 rounds in the south island this past season also and they lobbied hard to get it changed.BUT when they failed,They still turned up and competed.

gav

25th April 2011, 11:37

Maybe its time for Sidecars to be dropped from the National class. I suggest the class that replaces them is is F4/F5, its about time this became a National Championship.

jellywrestler

25th April 2011, 11:37

...and how many will vote?
I've no idea, you could PM them and ask.
you quoted "Most NZ racers aren't on KB" and these were just the Superbike riders I know are here.
These riders are among the most respected in our sport, and others listen very attentively to their words, and these racers represent more than a third of the grids at the Nationals, in their chosen class.

Shaun

25th April 2011, 11:38

Sorry Shaun,

You do yourself no favours when you state something that is blatantly WRONG, and can't provide more details about an event - other than the WRONG information you were fed by someone else.
Who are you trying to protect??

Not trying to protect anyone or anything:scooter:

Just figured if YOU can get on here and call people LYERS and DRUG users, I can also type anything I want to without any PROOF Just like you!

PS,I love the way you are prepared to take Jim to Court and SPEND OUR MONEY ( MNZ LAWYER FEES) Just so you can try and PROOVE you are correct with all this Dribble, Why don;t we all just walk away fom the sport instead and bugger the future of young up and comers that want to be as good as you were.

The TRUE big picture of this thread is, HE SAID SHE SAID Nothing more

PS, best of luck to Jim and Chris re the ellection, who ever gets the position will have my support, even though I would LOVE to see Jim in for at least more term

scrivy

25th April 2011, 11:57

I havent changed my views,I think its a good thing youve formed an association too take your views and concerns and it would be good if all classes had a similar set up.
I totally agree. Even Robert Holden said the same thing.

What Im against is that just because the association had made a suggestion too MNZ and when it wasnt adhered too you guys have gone out of your way too destroy the National championship for all involved in sidecar racing and remember for whatever reason,Not everybody belongs to the association.
We haven't gone out of our way Billy. People made their own decision that it wasn't for them. Why spend money in these tight times if you can't afford to do all rounds - be it time, money or work commitments? Some members did the north island rounds.
I would just like to say that I have never rung/spoken or tried to get anyone to not race at the Nats. That is why I keep asking Shaun to ring an NZSRA member. He can ask anyone himself. He keeps implying I have done that. That pisses me off Billy, as it's untrue, but he keeps implying that I am to blame somehow.

At the end of the day MNZ are the governing body in NZ and have the final say,Again the association is a good thing,BUT not the be all and end all and shouldnt be used in the way it appears to have been over the last couple of years.
I agree MNZ should have the final say, but the NZSRA have had discussions with MNZ about the same issues that have happened for well over 25 years. Not just recently.

We all want too see the sidecars out there,All the bullshit about dropping oil and the likes aside,A full grid of competitive sidecars is as exciting too watch as any class and you and Bob in particular,Spinning the rearwheel/passenger wheel in the air and waving to the crowd is a sight too behold,BUT it doesnt buy you or anybody else sole rights to how the championship is run!!!
Again, I agree with you Billy. But I have never asked for sole rights. I too would love to see a full field of rigs out there.

Too compare apples with apples,There were a number of solo competitors that didnt want 3 rounds in the south island this past season also and they lobbied hard to get it changed.BUT when they failed,They still turned up and competed.
I haven't been to Nats for 2 years (because the Busa sidecar was in the owners storage shed), so can't comment on that.
But wouldn't it be better in these tight times to have alot more machines at maybe 1 fewer round??

In a perfect world, if money was no object, I wonder how many club level guys would do the Nats if they could afford to do all the rounds?? That would make the nats grow too if some of them competed.

Thanks for your comments Billy.

Scrivy

scrivy

25th April 2011, 12:19

Those damn drugs do fark up your mind afterall............ LOL!!

Not trying to protect anyone or anything:scooter:
Just figured if YOU can get on here and call people LYERS and DRUG users, I can also type anything I want to without any PROOF Just like you!
Read my post above Shaun. Where did I call Billy a drug user?? I say that to Bob, Spyda, Kick, hell, anyone!
You Shaun took it and ran with it. Not me! I am glad that Billy doesn't do drugs, that's another thing we have in common!

PS,I love the way you are prepared to take Jim to Court and SPEND OUR MONEY ( MNZ LAWYER FEES) Just so you can try and PROOVE you are correct with all this Dribble,
Our money, you mean the same $125,000 that Jim spent getting rid of Pav for his own agenda?
Sorry Shaun, but Jim HAS LIED, and you still haven't proven me wrong. So from where I sit, Jim would be wasting the money, not me.
And I would defend each accusation Jim throws at me, and you wouldn't??

Best of luck to the candidates.

gav

25th April 2011, 12:21

This may not be the right thread for this but, if you want to improve the Nat rounds how about dropping the clubmans class? If guys want to race let them race in their respective classes. If they dont have a class to race in, so be it. Seems crazy to have a guy out there on a $70K Ducati running around in a clubmans class.
Also, why is it necessary to have a lunch break? Is it for the benefit of the flaggies etc?
I've worked at a few of the Clearwater Classic golf events as a volunteer, standing at a hole holding signs up to keep quiet etc. Its a four day event with the first two days very long, over 12 hours in fact. They dont stop the tournament for a lunch break. Travelling marshalls cruise around and drop off a supplied meal etc and you take your own food etc. As a volunteer you know what you are getting your self into.
The same should apply to the flaggies etc.
Always seems strange to me that just when the action is really heating up and the crowd is arriving, everyone decides to stop .....
Just a thought for the future maybe?

ashracer

25th April 2011, 12:24

This coming season we expect to have enough to be able to run three National rounds without needing any sidecars from up North

After two seasons of the BRon Anan Tuckerman Sidecar series do you not think its time to give up. I still have the TV coverage of last years Ruapuna round of the sidecar nationals & it's the most pathetic race ever. ( i see no one involved has put the coverage on youtube!) I also recall Dave Anan saying at an AGM that he didnt need any north islanders to come south as you have the numbers. (9 i think he estimated) Three seasons ago we had a great sidecar series down south with good numbers. Also you guys have'nt even had the numbers to do a three round series anyway. Surely Warwick it's time to conceed it did not work.

jellywrestler

25th April 2011, 12:48

I still have the TV coverage of last years Ruapuna round of the sidecar nationals & it's the most pathetic race ever.
you mean the one where pete the pirate broke down over the back on the warm up lap, ran over to the pits and grabbed his spare bike to huge cheers from the crowd, the one where Dave and Warwick spun out to cheers from the crowd, the one where Bron and Simonsen where coming through the dipper on the warm up lap and the race had started and even when he came around onto the start line the starter didn't even bother to put out the start flag, and it was wet so everyone who was out there was having was a difficult time of it on slicks from memory....
There wasn't dicing going on but it was far from 'the most pathetic race ever'

Kickaha

25th April 2011, 13:04

do you not think its time to give up.

Funny you should say that because I'm thinking of doing exactly that

I actually think it's time the NZSRA collectively pulled it's head out of it's arse and started pushing to get members on the grid in NZ instead of acting like a pack of spoilt cunts who when they didn't get their way threw there toys out of the sandpit and didn't want to play anymore

So if Sidecars get the Arse from the Nationals (and deservedly so)which "may" just leave the Tri Series (and if what I heard was correct they wont be racing at that next year) and Paeroa will that be considered a "win'?

Shaun

25th April 2011, 13:16

Originally Posted by scrivy
Those damn drugs do fark up your mind afterall............ LOL!!

Originally Posted by Shaun
Not trying to protect anyone or anything
Just figured if YOU can get on here and call people LYERS and DRUG users, I can also type anything I want to without any PROOF Just like you!

Read my post above Shaun. Where did I call Billy a drug user?? I say that to Bob, Spyda, Kick, hell, anyone!
You Shaun took it and ran with it. Not me! I am glad that Billy doesn't do drugs, that's another thing we have in common!

Ummmmmmmm Scrivy, time for you to take some of your own advise sport, AND READ properlly what I said and who I said it about!!! Assumptions are Dangerous mate, as I have already typed to you:yes:

Shaun

25th April 2011, 13:17

Funny you should say that because I'm thinking of doing exactly that

I actually think it's time the NZSRA collectively pulled it's head out of it's arse and started pushing to get members on the grid in NZ instead of acting like a pack of spoilt cunts who when they didn't get their way threw there toys out of the sandpit and didn't want to play anymore

So if Sidecars get the Arse from the Nationals (and deservedly so)which "may" just leave the Tri Series (and if what I heard was correct they wont be racing at that next year) and Paeroa will that be considered a "win'?

Is this Genuine or a piss take man?

Kickaha

25th April 2011, 13:19

Is this Genuine or a piss take man?

No pisstake involved

Shaun

25th April 2011, 13:50

slowpoke

25th April 2011, 14:13

Research: done
Voting: done

:niceone: to the online voting system.

Kickaha

25th April 2011, 14:20

Would you mind explaining why the NZSRA has it;s head up it;s arse? I don;t want to type any INCORRECT non EXPLAINED comments about it, and as you are a CURRENT SC Racer, you will know more about it and there dramas?

just briefly of course, 6 A4 pages should do:facepalm:

The NZSRA has in it's constitution that one of it's aims is to "promote Sidecar racing" I personally believe that in the last two years they've been to busy bitching and moaning to do anything positive and it has had a negative effect on the class and they way it is perceived by others outside the class

They/we need to get the fuck over it and move on and try and do something positive over the next season and try to increase the numbers on the grid anywhere that has them as a class locally

If that isn't one of the primary aims then they may as well not bother

Let me make one thing clear though , I do believe the NZSRA has a legitimate grievance against MNZ for the way this has been handled especially by your mate Jim and if the way the Sidecars had done National rounds had been kept as it was these problems probably wouldn't have happened

Too compare apples with apples,There were a number of solo competitors that didnt want 3 rounds in the south island this past season also and they lobbied hard to get it changed.BUT when they failed,They still turned up and competed.

I'm not sure you're comparing apples with apples

Were those competitors represented by an MNZ affiliated club such as the NZSRA used to be?

sidecar bob

25th April 2011, 15:17

Let me make one thing clear though , I do believe the NZSRA has a legitimate grievance against MNZ for the way this has been handled especially by your mate Jim and if the way the Sidecars had done National rounds had been kept as it was these problems probably wouldn't have happened

Fuckin bingo Trevor!
The spoilt cunts were the ones that went running to the powers that be trying to get thing run their way.
The rest of us just sat back & said, ok, if thats how you want it, spot ya later.
Democracy works, not Dictatorship.

Shaun

25th April 2011, 15:36

Fuckin bingo Trevor!
The spoilt cunts were the ones that went running to the powers that be trying to get thing run their way.
The rest of us just sat back & said, ok, if thats how you want it, spot ya later.
Democracy works, not Dictatorship.

Read between the lines folks

Democracy works? mmmmmmm, Sure DID, I used to love watching the chair racing in NZ, well done boys thanks for using your collective contacts/Inteligence/ and buisness experience to HELP the sport over all.

Kickaha

25th April 2011, 15:36

The spoilt cunts were the ones that went running to the powers that be trying to get thing run their way.

I think we'll continue to disagree on that one, but that's ok Bob I still love you:love:

jellywrestler

25th April 2011, 15:42

The spoilt cunts were the ones that went running to the powers that be trying to get thing run their way.
The rest of us just sat back & said, ok, if thats how you want it, spot ya later.
Democracy works, not Dictatorship.

Scrivy's written many times here that He or Chris didn't have anything to do with the whole drama over the Nationals over the last two seasons and you've come out and said this!!
You really should text each other to get you stories right, like Jim's witness's are supposed to have done...

Grumph

25th April 2011, 15:43

Funny you should say that because I'm thinking of doing exactly that...

About bloody time you stopped wasting your time and dosh on the bloody tricycles and finished one or two of the bikes you've been gunner do for ages.....

As I said earlier on this thread I assume next season's NZ sidecar champs are to be held in Aussie....can't see them being here.

Billy

25th April 2011, 15:53

The NZSRA has in it's constitution that one of it's aims is to "promote Sidecar racing" I personally believe that in the last two years they've been to busy bitching and moaning to do anything positive and it has had a negative effect on the class and they way it is perceived by others outside the class

THANK YOU WARWICK,EXACTLY MY POINT ALL ALONG

They/we need to get the fuck over it and move on and try and do something positive over the next season and try to increase the numbers on the grid anywhere that has them as a class locally

AGAIN,AS ABOVE

If that isn't one of the primary aims then they may as well not bother

Let me make one thing clear though , I do believe the NZSRA has a legitimate grievance against MNZ for the way this has been handled especially by your mate Jim and if the way the Sidecars had done National rounds had been kept as it was these problems probably wouldn't have happened

YES,I AGREE TOO A POINT,IF THE GOVERNING BODY DECIDES ITS 5 ROUNDS THEN SO BE IT!!TOO ALLOW ONE DISCIPLINE TO HAVE A WEEKEND OFF IS ELITIST NO MATTER THE COST.

I'm not sure you're comparing apples with apples

Were those competitors represented by an MNZ affiliated club such as the NZSRA used to be?

No they were not,But while I agree the idea of the NZSRA is good one,At the end of the day its still just another affiliated club and has no more power than say PMCC,

Billy

25th April 2011, 16:50

Fuckin bingo Trevor!
The spoilt cunts were the ones that went running to the powers that be trying to get thing run their way.
The rest of us just sat back & said, ok, if thats how you want it, spot ya later.
Democracy works, not Dictatorship.

FINALLY!!!!The truth comes out,

THE REST OF US JUST SAT BACK AND SAID,IF THATS HOW YOU WANT IT,SPOT YA LATER!!!
And directly from a member of the NZSRA,Is that enough proof for you Scrivy.

If you havent voted already folks,The integrity,Honesty and Transparency of the NZSRA has just been blown out of the water!

VOTE JIM TUCKERMAN FOR MNZ PRESIDENT and keep the sport moving forward!!!!

Kickaha

25th April 2011, 17:03

YES,I AGREE TOO A POINT,IF THE GOVERNING BODY DECIDES ITS 5 ROUNDS THEN SO BE IT!!TOO ALLOW ONE DISCIPLINE TO HAVE A WEEKEND OFF IS ELITIST NO MATTER THE COST

You've been around long enough to have seen different classes do different amounts of rounds with the blessing of MNZ not just sidecars

They've been quite happy to allow a different amount of rounds for certain classes when it suited them although it has normally been more rather than less

FINALLY!!!!The truth comes out,

THE REST OF US JUST SAT BACK AND SAID,IF THATS HOW YOU WANT IT,SPOT YA LATER!!!
And directly from a member of the NZSRA,Is that enough proof for you Scrivy.

If you havent voted already folks,The integrity,Honesty and Transparency of the NZSRA has just been blown out of the water!

Can you show me where sidecar blob has said indicates collusion between teams to not do Nationals and deter people from doing the Nationals?

VOTE JIM TUCKERMAN FOR MNZ PRESIDENT and keep the sport moving forward!!!!

I rather poke my eyes out with a red hot poker and have someone piss in the empty sockets

jellywrestler

25th April 2011, 17:09

You've been around long enough to have seen different classes do different amounts of rounds with the blessing of MNZ not just sidecars

They've been quite happy to allow a different amount of rounds for certain classes when it suited them although it has normally been more rather than less

Can you show me where sidecar blob has said indicates collusion between teams to not do Nationals and deter people from doing the Nationals?

back in the days of old we had sidecars do an extra points meeting at Taupo, and bay park was in the mix too

Shaun

25th April 2011, 17:18

Best of luck to the candidates.

Our money, you mean the same $125,000 that Jim spent getting rid of Pav for his own agenda?
Sorry Shaun, but Jim HAS LIED, and you still haven't proven me wrong. So from where I sit, Jim would be wasting the money, not me.
And I would defend each accusation Jim throws at me, and you wouldn't??

Go On then, Whats JIM bin Lying about?

Billy

25th April 2011, 17:20

Billy, Chris isn't stonewalling you.
Saturday he was at the Tokoroa MX - and talked to Carmen and Bryan there also.

I see you have mentioned Carmen and Bryan,I'm assuming your refering to Carman Davidson(board member of MNZ)and her husband Bryan(President of MOMCC),

If this is the case,Could you enlighten us as to the content of any conversation between Chris and these people please,As youve obviously spoken with him on this subject.

Or should I contact them myself as I have a long standing relationship with the MOMCC as a former roadrace convener and commitee member as well has being Father in law of their current club secretary????

sidecar bob

25th April 2011, 19:33

FINALLY!!!!The truth comes out,

THE REST OF US JUST SAT BACK AND SAID,IF THATS HOW YOU WANT IT,SPOT YA LATER!!!
And directly from a member of the NZSRA,Is that enough proof for you Scrivy.

If you havent voted already folks,The integrity,Honesty and Transparency of the NZSRA has just been blown out of the water!

VOTE JIM TUCKERMAN FOR MNZ PRESIDENT and keep the sport moving forward!!!!

W.T.F? how did you arrive at that from that? So if I give you a chocolate fish, can you turn it into an areoplane for me?

Drew

25th April 2011, 19:42

Holy shit. I honestly thought (quite greatfully) that this was dying.

Scrivy, Billy, Shaun, Kickaha, Sidecarbob, and Spyda...

SHUT THE HELL UP!

It's dead. It's been shot, stabbed, electrocuted, and hung. Flogging it now is just poor taste I reckon.

sidecar bob

25th April 2011, 19:50

Scrivy's written many times here that He or Chris didn't have anything to do with the whole drama over the Nationals over the last two seasons and you've come out and said this!!
You really should text each other to get you stories right, like Jim's witness's are supposed to have done...

Where did I say we colletively agreed on that? clearly thats what happened though wasnt it? the results speak for themselves.

scrivy

25th April 2011, 19:53

Just figured if YOU can get on here and call people LYERS and DRUG users.........
Ummmmmmmm Scrivy, time for you to take some of your own advise sport, AND READ properlly what I said and who I said it about!!!
So.............. the comment you made above wasn't from you???? You just said I called someone a drug user!!!
Am I not reading the post properly like you say Shaun, or do you write shit without knowing what your writing??? I'm confused.

PS,I love the way you are prepared to take Jim to Court and SPEND OUR MONEY ( MNZ LAWYER FEES)
Just like Jim decided himself to remove Pav and an MNZ office lady eh Shaun. And because he did it maliciously, he cost MNZ members how much??? Oh yeah, $125,000!!!! If someone was superfluous to the running of the business, it wouldn't have cost a cent to remove him!! But Jim didn't care how much he spent of MNZ's money to remove Pav, as it wasn't his money.
As for me spending MNZ's money, Jim knows exactly what info I have, if HE pursues me, he knows he will be fighting a losing battle, because it is he that has stuffed up Shaun, not me.

The TRUE big picture of this thread is, HE SAID SHE SAID Nothing more
No, it should be 'Intelligent people can make their own minds up with facts, details, and written documents, rather than hearsay from known bullshitters.'

Go On then, Whats JIM bin Lying about?
Have you read all the shit on this thread with your eyes closed Shaun???
What makes you think Jim is telling the truth?
I think you're backing the wrong team dude.

scott411

25th April 2011, 19:54

I see you have mentioned Carmen and Bryan,I'm assuming your refering to Carman Davidson(board member of MNZ)and her husband Bryan(President of MOMCC),

If this is the case,Could you enlighten us as to the content of any conversation between Chris and these people please,As youve obviously spoken with him on this subject.

Or should I contact them myself as I have a long standing relationship with the MOMCC as a former roadrace convener and commitee member as well has being Father in law of their current club secretary????

Bryan is the head of the MX commission as well, i had a talk to both of them over the weekend as well,

MX Junior champs were held at tokoroa, both Chris and Jim were their,

scott411

25th April 2011, 19:55

sidecar bob

25th April 2011, 20:04

scrivy

25th April 2011, 20:04

I see you have mentioned Carmen and Bryan,I'm assuming your refering to Carman Davidson(board member of MNZ)and her husband Bryan(President of MOMCC),
That is correct Billy.
If this is the case,Could you enlighten us as to the content of any conversation between Chris and these people please,As youve obviously spoken with him on this subject.
Spoken about this subject? Where did I say that?? All I said was "... he talked to Carmen and Bryan there also." You put your slant on it Billy, I don't care, Chris didn't say anything else to me other than the words I quoted you above. Why does Chris talking to them frighten you??

Or should I contact them myself as I have a long standing relationship with the MOMCC as a former roadrace convener and commitee member as well has being Father in law of their current club secretary????
And I'm father Xmas and (believe it or not), the Easter Bunny! So friggin what!! Give them a call, they'll tell you what I just said "Chris spoke to them....."
Oh, but don't take my word Billy, I'd ring them just incase. Then you could show me up eh!!

Scrivy

ashracer

25th April 2011, 20:22

[QUOTE=Kickaha;1130044885]

Let me make one thing clear though , I do believe the NZSRA has a legitimate grievance against MNZ for the way this has been handled especially by your mate Jim and if the way the Sidecars had done National rounds had been kept as it was these problems probably wouldn't have happened

Well said, Heres hopeing we can come up with something positive next weekend. Especially that people will go with, & accept the majority vote, no matter what the topic. The sad thing is though, at the 3 race meetings i attended last season, the nationals didnt even come up in conversation.

ashracer

25th April 2011, 20:27

you mean the one where pete the pirate broke down over the back on the warm up lap, ran over to the pits and grabbed his spare bike to huge cheers from the crowd, the one where Dave and Warwick spun out to cheers from the crowd, the one where Bron and Simonsen where coming through the dipper on the warm up lap and the race had started and even when he came around onto the start line the starter didn't even bother to put out the start flag, and it was wet so everyone who was out there was having was a difficult time of it on slicks from memory....
There wasn't dicing going on but it was far from 'the most pathetic race ever'

TV coverage obviously didnt do the race justice. I'm not taking the piss for the hell of it, it must of been poorly edited. I'll watch it again to double check.

Damien_Toman

25th April 2011, 22:10

scrivy

25th April 2011, 22:51

Chris Lawrance was always keen to have the F4 and F5 GPs at the TRRS.

Biggles08

25th April 2011, 23:06

I think we're talking at cross purposes big fulla. I totally agree if you want the best racers you have to push the youngsters and the competition/training they get. You and Pete, by the way, do a fantastic job of that. But I think that's a separate issue to growing the sport as a whole.

One way to look at it would be to ask ourselves: how does creating more Stroud's and Slights and Crafar's help the general rank and file competitors? Given that the general public doesn't know who these people are I can't think of a reason. An increase in overall skill level doesn't make the sport more affordable, attract more sponsors, or increase recognition/marketability. The most famous bike racer in NZ is probably Johnny Hepburn, and ironically because of his V8 Taxi Racing exposure.

Which is why I think promotion is our biggest hurdle. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but on a great weekend weatherwise there would have been less than a thousand spectators attracted to the Manfeild NZSBK round and far less than the average number of competitors at a Vic Winter event. Neither number is acceptable for what is an exciting easily marketed NZ Championship event and it's a hard sell to any sponsor who isn't in it for the love of it.

I see promotion as key for increasing public visibility/recognition and therefore "sponsor-ability" so talented guys like Johnny Burkhart and others aren't forced out of the sport as soon as they've got a missus and a mortgage or have a decent crash (one and the same thing?). With increased exposure comes a little less reaching into our own pockets as more sponsors become involved, and more people rock up to meetings, and more competitors are inclined to enter and more youngsters wanna have a crack at it etc etc. That to me is growing the sport as a whole and helps out every single competitor.

But hey, it's not an either or situation, and things would dramatically improve if we tackled both issues. Higher profile events with better riders and increased competition, what's not to like?

But that's the beauty of a forum like this, you and I can present our views and ideas on what is the best way forward for our sport, while other people will agree/disagree or come up with something entirely different. MNZ could do a lot worse than to create something similar to interact with their members, I reckon people would be a lot more aware and more involved. Hell, MNZ wouldn't even have to participate, (but it would be nice if someone did) they could just sit back and observe the discussions and issues that it's members bring up.

But as it stands I've got no idea what Jim and Chris's thoughts are on the way forward, so why would I bother voting?

Bloody brilliant post Slowpoke...couldn't have said it better! 100% agree!

suzuki21

26th April 2011, 06:04

15th February 2010 20:01 #181 Billy

The sidecar guys have made the effort to form an organisation to help move the sport forward[/COLOR]

And judging by the turnout it is working very well

suzuki21

26th April 2011, 06:17

I cant believe you are still bleating about the Bryce Meads conspiracy Scrivy, build a bridge - he has. I am going to renew my licence so I can vote as I am seriously concerned we will end up in a group run by what is similar to a disfunctional pack of teenage girls with bipolar disorder who are drunk for the first time amongst boys. Would be nice if someone got the ball rolling on a breakaway TWO WHEELED group to MNZ in case the worst happens, oh, I think they have, whoops I didnt say that.

scott411

26th April 2011, 08:25

Drew

26th April 2011, 09:41

I know I should just not read this thread, but I just cant help myself.

Scrivy, could you present your argument outside the quote bubbles from now on? It makes it impossible to quote back what you are saying.

Billy, I am speaking to you, and Shaun Harris too. Please make an effort to use the two words right. I am obsessive compulsive and it's giving me a headache.

Ok, LET'S GET IT ON!!!

Tony.OK

26th April 2011, 09:45

I know I should just not read this thread, but I just cant help myself.

Scrivy, could you present your argument outside the quote bubbles from now on? It makes it impossible to quote back what you are saying.
What you on about? :innocent:

Billy, I am speaking to you, and Shaun Harris too. Please make an effort to use the two words right. I am obsessive compulsive and it's giving me a headache.

Ok, LET'S GET IT ON!!!
I'm glad someone else noticed, I was just being polite:shutup:

Billy

26th April 2011, 09:48

maybe the dirtbiker's should just leave them with you road racers, and take our 75% of the income and bugger off,

Very valid point Scott and one that clearly not many that frequent this site realise!

Interestingly I had a pm from a member on this site that researched MNZ and was shocked too find that MNZ was absolutely nothing like the organisation he had been led too believe through the ramblings on this site,He was surprised we got some of the things we do,Given the set up of MNZ and its meagre income and the small amount of volunteers involved.

Billy

26th April 2011, 09:51

Drew

26th April 2011, 09:55

Sorry mate,Its all the time I spent behind the bike sheds at NaeNae college instead of in English classes.LOL
It's OK. I've decided that this thread will be more interesting if someone injects some juvenile fun poking into it. And really sorry, but you were better learning English out the back of the bike sheds than in any classroom in Naenae my friend.

Oi Scrivenor (sp?), you're so ugly yo momma used to feed you with a sling shot!

Crasherfromwayback

26th April 2011, 10:02

Sorry mate,Its all the time I spent behind the bike sheds at NaeNae college instead of in English classes.LOL

Thought I was the only cunt here that went to Naenae College!

Billy

26th April 2011, 10:07

Thought I was the only cunt here that went to Naenae College!

You are the only "CUNT" that went too NaeNae college on here.LOL,

Sorry mate,I just couldnt let that one slip by,haha

scrivy

26th April 2011, 10:16

Oi Scrivenor (sp?), you're so ugly yo momma used to feed you with a sling shot!

Yeah, I know. She missed alot, that's why I'm so skinny!

ellipsis

26th April 2011, 10:17

...if you dont throw big buckets of shit in the garden, yer tomatoes often dont get big and red and juicy...this thread is actually quite beneficial and educational...our after race-day beer and chat, actually turned towards an MNZ political discussion last weekend...quite unprecedented...
...carry on...

...may the victors realise that a lot of the rank and file, card carrying members...do give a fuck and do have concerns and do have some fantastic ideas, to grow OUR Sport...

Drew

26th April 2011, 10:19

Thought I was the only cunt here that went to Naenae College!

Sorry mate,Its all the time I spent behind the bike sheds at NaeNae college instead of in English classes.LOL

No wonder you too get your back up and in two arguments so quick. A pair of skinny white boys at Naenae college would have two get real scrappy, real fuckin quick!

Deano

26th April 2011, 10:26

Billy, I am speaking to you, and Shaun Harris too. Please make an effort to use the two words right.

No wonder you too get your back up and in two arguments so quick. A pair of skinny white boys at Naenae college would have two get real scrappy, real fuckin quick!

:facepalm: Bwahaha

sidecar bob

26th April 2011, 10:55

Arguing on this thread reminds me of the Special Olympics.
Even if you win, youre still retarded.:facepalm:

Pussy

26th April 2011, 10:56

Oi Scrivenor (sp?), you're so ugly yo momma used to feed you with a sling shot!

I've heard that you were THAT unpopular as a kid, that your Mum would tie a sausage around your neck to even get your dog to play with you....

scrivy

26th April 2011, 11:03

I've heard that you were THAT unpopular as a kid, that your Mum would tie a sausage around your neck to even get your dog to play with you....

Probably why I like the doggie style position.........:shutup:

Drew

26th April 2011, 11:21

Probably why I like the doggie style position.........:shutup:

This mans honesty is astounding. So it is true that Steve bends you over.

scrivy

26th April 2011, 11:24

This mans honesty is astounding. So it is true that Steve bends you over.

Dude... Bron may shaft others on here, but not me........:shit:

Billy

26th April 2011, 11:42

No wonder you too get your back up and in two arguments so quick. A pair of skinny white boys at Naenae college would have two get real scrappy, real fuckin quick!

Yea,

Probably explains why I was ranked 3rd in New Zealand over 5000 metres at age 14,If you cant beat em,You got be able 2 outrun them.LOL

Actually the culture in NaeNae in the 60s was alot different than it is 2day,No less violent,It was just the white boys causing all the trouble back then.

PS,You'll notice my variation on the use your use of the word two:yes:

Drew

26th April 2011, 11:54

Dude... Bron may shaft others on here, but not me........:shit:Good job, I'd rather not get shafted by you or him handsome.:sick:

Crasherfromwayback

26th April 2011, 12:15

Yea,

Probably explains why I was ranked 3rd in New Zealand over 5000 metres at age 14,If you cant beat em,You got be able 2 outrun them.LOL

Now that's funny too mate. I won the Vossler Shield whilst at Naenae!

Billy

26th April 2011, 21:03

Maybe its time for Sidecars to be dropped from the National class. I suggest the class that replaces them is is F4/F5, its about time this became a National Championship.

IMHO we should definitely have a F4/F5 National Championship - would be awesome for the sport and bring many more people into racing (most affordable class). It would be great to keep the sidecars too :).

Not sure Id agree with the sidecars being dropped to allow the introduction of a National Championship for buckets for a number of reasons,The first being the entry fees for the National championship classes totalled slightly over $900.00 + $350.00 for transponders fees if you didnt have your own,After many years dealing with the bucket fraternity I think that would scare a good percentage of them off,Secondly where would you fit them in?You couldnt run them as a stand alone class as many of the Superbike and 600 riders are complaining of a lack of tracktime and you couldnt run them in with Prolite 250/Streetstock as for the 3 South Island rounds they are already over subscribed.I understand the sentiment but I think the general public would rather see the sidecars and you could probably run a streetstock 150 for less than a bucket.

Kickaha

26th April 2011, 21:10

You couldnt run them as a stand alone class as many of the Superbike and 600 riders are complaining of a lack of tracktime

Fuck those whining prima donnas they've no more right to more track time than the rest of us :finger:

Billy

26th April 2011, 21:18

And I'm father Xmas and (believe it or not), the Easter Bunny! So friggin what!! Give them a call, they'll tell you what I just said "Chris spoke to them....."
Oh, but don't take my word Billy, I'd ring them just incase. Then you could show me up eh!!

Scrivy

Whoa back there young fella,I made an assumption based on your statement that Chris had spoken to Carmen and Bryan that there was something we should all know about!It wasn't an accusation of any sort,More of a badly worded inquiry,

As far as my history and contacts at MOMCC are concerned,Are you suggesting thats a mistruth?

Also your answer too Shauns question regarding what Jim lied about is a little vague,He either lied or he didnt!

Crasherfromwayback

26th April 2011, 21:34

Not sure Id agree with the sidecars being dropped to allow the introduction of a National Championship for buckets for a number of reasons,.

All due respect to the bucket racers here...fuck that. Keep buckets to small tracks where they seem quite fast and are fun to ride. Waiting 3 mins for your bucket to finish the back straight of Manfield ain't fun for anyone.

ashracer

26th April 2011, 21:37

Just thought you may be interested. (who was the race steward on the day)

[QUOTE=jellywrestler;1130044811]you mean the one where pete the pirate broke down over the back on the warm up lap, ran over to the pits and grabbed his spare bike to huge cheers from the crowd,

Rulebook:
6.8.2 If a machine is disabled in the course of a race or heat the competitor shall be
allowed to use another machine in other races subject to re handicap but not to ride
another machine during that particular race or heat.

the one where Dave and Warwick spun out to cheers from the crowd, the one where Bron and Simonsen where coming through the dipper on the warm up lap and the race had started

6.6.4 Competitors shall always be prepared to start in accordance with the programme
when called upon to do so. Any competitor late for the start will forfeit his/her
chance of competition.

How then did Bron get awarded points/GP. Surely it was Anan/Demmocks.

Hey spyda, do you remember when westie & ash V "bought" vince messinas sidecar for $10 so they could use it in a race after theres had blown up.
I will have the sidecar gp link up in a mo

Kickaha

26th April 2011, 21:39

Crasherfromwayback

26th April 2011, 21:43

:finger: I would think Buckets would be around 1.50 at Minefield

Dude...that's painful to watch. People used to say 883 Twinsport racing was slow...but we were doing 1.19's. I mean honestly...a 5 lap race would take nearly 10 fucking minutes! I'm all for buckets etc...but not on a proper road racing track.

Damien_Toman

26th April 2011, 21:44

Not sure Id agree with the sidecars being dropped to allow the introduction of a National Championship for buckets for a number of reasons,The first being the entry fees for the National championship classes totalled slightly over $900.00 + $350.00 for transponders fees if you didnt have your own,After many years dealing with the bucket fraternity I think that would scare a good percentage of them off,Secondly where would you fit them in?You couldnt run them as a stand alone class as many of the Superbike and 600 riders are complaining of a lack of tracktime and you couldnt run them in with Prolite 250/Streetstock as for the 3 South Island rounds they are already over subscribed.I understand the sentiment but I think the general public would rather see the sidecars and you could probably run a streetstock 150 for less than a bucket.

Billy, good points, but is there any way we can accomodate all these classes?

Many riders prefer buckets to streetstocks as racing tyres and other modifications are allowed. Could we handle it by balancing entries and classes (in advance) in a way that works for the demand at any particular meeting? Spectators like big grids and plenty of racing action.

At Hampton Downs the grid was small for Prolites/SS. I know many bucket racers who would have paid the price, including myself, if there had been a bucket (F4) class added - even if there was no round justified for that class in the South Island (going by your statement on over-subscriptions of Prolites/SS).

There is no need to drop any class, unless the advance entries do not stack up.

Many riders, understandably, may choose not to do all national rounds - but, could they still be allowed to pay, enter and maybe score a few points in a round or two? This could provide a better financial outcome, I suggest, for the organising bodies, and maybe provide all classes with a chance at the nationals? Might it generate more spectator interest? Maybe some fresh thinking at MNZ could bring these sorts of changes?

Regards

Damien

jellywrestler

26th April 2011, 21:58

Just thought you may be interested.

[QUOTE=jellywrestler;1130044811]you mean the one where pete the pirate broke down over the back on the warm up lap, ran over to the pits and grabbed his spare bike to huge cheers from the crowd,

Rulebook:
6.8.2 If a machine is disabled in the course of a race or heat the competitor shall be
allowed to use another machine in other races subject to re handicap but not to ride
another machine during that particular race or heat.twas on the warm up laps

the one where Dave and Warwick spun out to cheers from the crowd, the one where Bron and Simonsen where coming through the dipper on the warm up lap and the race had started

6.6.4 Competitors shall always be prepared to start in accordance with the programme
when called upon to do so. Any competitor late for the start will forfeit his/her
chance of competition.

How then did Bron get awarded points/GP. Surely it was Anan/Demmocks.they weren't late, were still coming around on the warm up lap, I don't know that the starter even knew they were there??

Hey spyda, do you remember when westie & ash V "bought" vince messinas sidecar for $10 so they could use it in a race after theres had blown up.
I will have the sidecar gp link up in a mo

yeah, and as the bike had a letter on it there was a whisper that someone might be able protest, Kiwi's with NZ licenses could only run numbers. I went and mentioned the rule so they could get it clarified before the start and they weren't happy with me, hey I was only the messenger.
I'd rather it be sorted if it could before the race than after, mind you I'd also gone up to Westie and asked if he wanted some blocks on the pedals so he could reach them.
He did alright too, as the brake & gears were on the opposite sides to what he was used to
Fuck me, that was in Invercargill!

I also remember commentating at Ruapuna after we'd been sidelined with mechanical troubles, Aaron Lovell spat Blue off the ambo was dispatched to the scene, he threw her on the bike and came back to the pits, I had my leathers still on so jumped on and finished the race with him.
There's a rule saying you must complete the race with the same passenger, brought in after the Fatal crash at Porirua where two teams swapped places, one pair electing not to complete the race, the other pair joined forces.
No-one protested then

jellywrestler

26th April 2011, 22:00

[QUOTE=ashracer;1130046225]

Rulebook:
6.8.2 If a machine is disabled in the course of a race or heat the competitor shall be
allowed to use another machine in other races subject to re handicap but not to ride
another machine during that particular race or heat.

[QUOTE]
so how did Dennis Charlett get to finish the 600cc race at manfeild a couple of weeks back then?
he cleared it with the officials

old rig

26th April 2011, 22:12

W.T.F? how did you arrive at that from that? So if I give you a chocolate fish, can you turn it into an areoplane for me?

people see what they want too when you look for shit you find shit

gav

26th April 2011, 23:08

Dude...that's painful to watch. People used to say 883 Twinsport racing was slow...but we were doing 1.19's. I mean honestly...a 5 lap race would take nearly 10 fucking minutes! I'm all for buckets etc...but not on a proper road racing track.
Al Hoogie qualified on pole on a CBR150 at Ruapuna in the Streetstock race which also included ProLites. How fast and how long did there races take at Manfield?
Ok, just went and checked, I think the fast buckets would be around the 1.30's, and pretty sure the fastest buckets would be quicker than the ProLites.
Hey, if you find it boring, take ya time and go get a beer or a hotdog ... :bye:

Billy

27th April 2011, 00:47

Fuck those whining prima donnas they've no more right to more track time than the rest of us :finger:

Not sure how you got Scrivys name in there,But hes gonna be pissed when he sees youve used it on one of my quotes lol

Billy

27th April 2011, 01:03

[QUOTE=Damien_Toman;1130046233]Billy, good points, but is there any way we can accomodate all these classes?

Many riders prefer buckets to streetstocks as racing tyres and other modifications are allowed. Could we handle it by balancing entries and classes (in advance) in a way that works for the demand at any particular meeting? Spectators like big grids and plenty of racing action.

At Hampton Downs the grid was small for Prolites/SS. I know many bucket racers who would have paid the price, including myself, if there had been a bucket (F4) class added - even if there was no round justified for that class in the South Island (going by your statement on over-subscriptions of Prolites/SS).

There is no need to drop any class, unless the advance entries do not stack up.

Many riders, understandably, may choose not to do all national rounds - but, could they still be allowed to pay, enter and maybe score a few points in a round or two? This could provide a better financial outcome, I suggest, for the organising bodies, and maybe provide all classes with a chance at the nationals? Might it generate more spectator interest? Maybe some fresh thinking at MNZ could bring these sorts of changes?

Regards

Damien[/QUOTe

Thanks for the reply Damien,

Have you spoken too the current admin at MNZ and put your case forward?

Sounds feasible and makes good sense in the NorthIsland rounds,Maybe you could talk too them about running a championship say,The two North Island rounds and the TRRS,Not very fair for the South Island guys though unless as Suggested by Gav they drop the clubbies down there and replace them with buckets,Food for thought,Whichever Admin we end up with though,Your still gonna have to contact them and not expect them to call you,If I was you Id be contacting the Roadrace commission chairman asap,But do some research first,Good luck!!!

Billy

27th April 2011, 01:08

Al Hoogie qualified on pole on a CBR150 at Ruapuna in the Streetstock race which also included ProLites. How fast and how long did there races take at Manfield?
Ok, just went and checked, I think the fast buckets would be around the 1.30's, and pretty sure the fastest buckets would be quicker than the ProLites.
Hey, if you find it boring, take ya time and go get a beer or a hotdog ... :bye:

See my reply too Damien above,

Maybe contact him and see what you can nut out too take to the roadrace commissioner,Im sure you guys can be accomodated at the North Island rounds.

Dont worry about Pete(Crasherfromwayback),Hes just old and grumpy LOL

Billy

27th April 2011, 01:11

people see what they want too when you look for shit you find shit

Its feckin hard toooooo(hows that drew)miss in this thread.

ashracer

27th April 2011, 05:51

2010 nz sidecar gp upload failed. So heres the 2009 sidecar gp highlights (from the 2010 tv coverage). Will try again spyda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfR-GTb7rkA

Kickaha

27th April 2011, 06:34

Not sure how you got Scrivys name in there,But hes gonna be pissed when he sees youve used it on one of my quotes lol

Because of the way the interbred hillbilly does his replies

Fuck him, he'd get over it but I fixed it anyway

Shaun

27th April 2011, 07:20

jellywrestler

27th April 2011, 09:06

I actually think it's time the NZSRA collectively pulled it's head out of it's arse and started pushing to get members on the grid in NZ instead of acting like a pack of spoilt cunts who when they didn't get their way threw there toys out of the sandpit and didn't want to play anymore

So if Sidecars get the Arse from the Nationals (and deservedly so)which "may" just leave the Tri Series (and if what I heard was correct they wont be racing at that next year) and Paeroa will that be considered a "win'?

Not racing the Tri Series, more gossip, what's the story with that then????????????

sidecar bob

27th April 2011, 09:22

you mean the one where pete the pirate broke down over the back on the warm up lap, ran over to the pits and grabbed his spare bike to huge cheers from the crowd, the one where Dave and Warwick spun out to cheers from the crowd, the one where Bron and Simonsen where coming through the dipper on the warm up lap and the race had started and even when he came around onto the start line the starter didn't even bother to put out the start flag, and it was wet so everyone who was out there was having was a difficult time of it on slicks from memory....
There wasn't dicing going on but it was far from 'the most pathetic race ever'

It sounds like a comedey of errors by a bunch of incompetent drunken amateurs to me.
I think you will find the crowd were laughing, not cheering.

slowpoke

27th April 2011, 10:15

All due respect to the bucket racers here...fuck that. Keep buckets to small tracks where they seem quite fast and are fun to ride. Waiting 3 mins for your bucket to finish the back straight of Manfield ain't fun for anyone.

Yep, totally agree. I'd love a crack on a bucket myself, but to ride/watch 'em at Manfeild or HD....no thanks.

Billy, good points, but is there any way we can accomodate all these classes?

Many riders prefer buckets to streetstocks as racing tyres and other modifications are allowed. Could we handle it by balancing entries and classes (in advance) in a way that works for the demand at any particular meeting? Spectators like big grids and plenty of racing action.

At Hampton Downs the grid was small for Prolites/SS. I know many bucket racers who would have paid the price, including myself, if there had been a bucket (F4) class added - even if there was no round justified for that class in the South Island (going by your statement on over-subscriptions of Prolites/SS).

There is no need to drop any class, unless the advance entries do not stack up.

Many riders, understandably, may choose not to do all national rounds - but, could they still be allowed to pay, enter and maybe score a few points in a round or two? This could provide a better financial outcome, I suggest, for the organising bodies, and maybe provide all classes with a chance at the nationals? Might it generate more spectator interest? Maybe some fresh thinking at MNZ could bring these sorts of changes?

Regards

Damien

I reckon you need to do a bit more research Damien, both amongst the bucket competitors and the spectators. To suggest a National competition you'd need to ensure a reasonable number of your colleagues would be prepared to participate and that it appeals to the punters (hopefully) paying to come through the gate. It's one thing to see spectators grinning at your antics at the local kart track, it's another to follow after say an epic 600 battle at a full size track, which I don't think would do anybody any favours.

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 10:32

Yep, totally agree. I'd love a crack on a bucket myself, but to ride/watch 'em at Manfeild or HD....no thanks.

I reckon you need to do a bit more research Damien, both amongst the bucket competitors and the spectators. To suggest a National competition you'd need to ensure a reasonable number of your colleagues would be prepared to participate and that it appeals to the punters (hopefully) paying to come through the gate. It's one thing to see spectators grinning at your antics at the local kart track, it's another to follow after say an epic 600 battle at a full size track, which I don't think would do anybody any favours.

I'd love to have a go too. And I think the bucket crew take it too personally that I said I didn't think it was a good idea. The presentation of the bikes is more often than not poor too. It is what it is. Fun on the right tracks.

scott411

27th April 2011, 10:43

I'd love to have a go too. And I think the bucket crew take it too personally that I said I didn't think it was a good idea. The presentation of the bikes is more often than not poor too. It is what it is. Fun on the right tracks.

i think a bucket title would be much better on a kart track over a weekend somewhere, not on the major tracks, similar to how the NZ junior and mini champs is held now (i think super moto would be good like this to, with a proper track with dirt in it as well)

National titles often take the fun out of fun classes as the push for the titles lead more and more poeple to cheat, or interpret the rules differently and create protest/appeal situations,

scrivy

27th April 2011, 11:19

It sounds like a comedey of errors by a bunch of drunk amateurs to me.
I think you will find the crowd were laughing, not cheering.

Bron wasn't shown the starters flag?? Does that mean he wasn't under starters orders, and the GP goes to Adam?? :shit::shutup::facepalm:

prettybillie

27th April 2011, 13:00

Yep, totally agree. I'd love a crack on a bucket myself, but to ride/watch 'em at Manfeild or HD....no thanks.

I reckon you need to do a bit more research Damien, both amongst the bucket competitors and the spectators. To suggest a National competition you'd need to ensure a reasonable number of your colleagues would be prepared to participate and that it appeals to the punters (hopefully) paying to come through the gate. It's one thing to see spectators grinning at your antics at the local kart track, it's another to follow after say an epic 600 battle at a full size track, which I don't think would do anybody any favours.

From the experience the AMCC have had with running buckets at Hampton - the feedback from the riders has been that it was awesome but they don't want to do it again. I realise this doesn't represent all bucket riders, but that is what the bucket guys who were there racing said to me.

Dodgy

27th April 2011, 13:50

Christ, I cannot imagine anything more boring than buckets around Manfield!

Back in the day, we used to use the back circuit at Manfield for buckets, while real bikes used the main circuit. Perhaps bring that back. Or, the Ohakune GP, but I think that was stopped when Ray's bucket ended up in the tree?

titintin

27th April 2011, 15:02

Drew

27th April 2011, 16:34

as i have got the message that who one is is importantScrivy finished grinding that axe ages ago. Now we don't give a fuck who ya are, we're gonna call you a liar and slag you off. Case and point; I reckon you're lying about your loggin name, Titintin is WAAAAAAAYYYYY cooler than tintin. Fuck you!

wharfy

27th April 2011, 17:01

Biggles08

27th April 2011, 17:37

Tim Edmonds here from Trentham. in process of getting license so will hopefully be able to vote, interested to read prievious 75 pages , will have questions as dont know either side, i can be reached at timedmonds44 @gmail as i have got the message that who one is is important

Hahahahaaaaaa...a new member chooses to make his first post on this thread!!! LOL

Welcome Timtam (Get used to people calling you anything but your real name)...enjoy the murk to be found here...especially here!

If you want to read what each candidate has to say in a less congested environment, head over to the Biggles Racing facebook page and read some questions and answers from both Jim Tuckerman and Chris Lawrance HERE (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=93676549725&topic=21513#topic_top)

Billy

27th April 2011, 17:54

greetings all .
i actually registered a week ago and then had major difficulty getting onto site.found to my amazement the gremlins had been at work ,my sign in name was supposed to be tintin .great lover of asterix but ended up titintin, there is absolutely no significance to this what so ever.
Tim Edmonds here from Trentham. in process of getting license so will hopefully be able to vote, interested to read prievious 75 pages , will have questions as dont know either side, i can be reached at timedmonds44 @gmail as i have got the message that who one is is important

I wont PM you Tim,

Best put it out there for all newcomers to see!

The incumbent (Jim Tuckerman) has been in the position for 2 years and in that time,He has moved the organisation forward,To the best of my knowledge the only discipline that has not had any improvement of notice is Sidecar racing.On the way hes stepped on some toes but overall there have been improvements including turning the financials around from a $100,000.00 deficit to a $200,000.00 surplus,He and the board and relevant commissioners have some further projects they have started that will further improve the organisation.I would suggest you PM "slowpoke",He has long been of the impression MNZ was a very different animal than it really is,After researching it he has a very different outlook,

The other candidate(Chris Lawrance)is an allround nice guy that is very approachable and has in the distant past done some good work with the sidecar racing association,However he and other senior members of the association have shown in the past 2 years that when things dont go their way they are happy too sit back and watch their chosen discipline faulter too a point where its seen as a joke!!He clearly doesn't have a full understanding of the workings of MNZ or the commitment required too run it.

Its a NO BRAINER really,But I'll let you form your own opinion,Again I strongly recommend you contact Spud(slowpoke) and see if he will forward you the links too his information.GOOD LUCK

jellywrestler

27th April 2011, 18:10

Bron wasn't shown the starters flag?? Does that mean he wasn't under starters orders, and the GP goes to Adam?? :shit::shutup::facepalm:
Adam wasn't shown the flag, he was at home, it was the starters error not ensuring all the bikes had done their warm up lap.
Gareth jones mistook the white flag for the chequered last tri series he raced and slowed up missing valuable points.
the white flag is meant to be held stationary, the flaggie waved it, another volunteers mistake.
A man who never made mistakes is a man that never did anything by the way.

jellywrestler

27th April 2011, 18:12

Hahahahaaaaaa...a new member chooses to make his first post on this thread!!! LOL

Welcome Timtam (Get used to people calling you anything but your real name)...enjoy the murk to be found here...especially here!

If you want to read what each candidate has to say in a less congested environment, head over to the Biggles Racing facebook page and read some questions and answers from both Jim Tuckerman and Chris Lawrance HERE (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=93676549725&topic=21513#topic_top)

now now Murkus, play nice with the new people!

Kickaha

27th April 2011, 18:55

Not racing the Tri Series, more gossip, what's the story with that then????????????
It came from another competitor who had talked to Leighton and supposedly he was reviewing whether he'd have sidecars at the series after the poor turnout last year, someone else was trying to contact him to see if there was any truth to it

Although I have an email from him where he stated if there weren't 12 on the grid they wouldn't be running last year and if you didn't enter all rounds you couldn't do any of them and we know how that went

It sounds like a comedy of errors by a bunch of incompetent drunken amateurs to me.
You know I don't drink so only the incompetent bit applies to me

The presentation of the bikes is more often than not poor too.
I'm not sure when the last time you saw them was but the presentation on some of them here would put any other class to shame

From the experience the AMCC have had with running buckets at Hampton - the feedback from the riders has been that it was awesome but they don't want to do it again. I realise this doesn't represent all bucket riders, but that is what the bucket guys who were there racing said to me.
Big tracks are to much about HP on Buckets so I'm not surprised they don't want to do it gain

Bron wasn't shown the starters flag?? Does that mean he wasn't under starters orders, and the GP goes to Adam?? :shit::shutup::facepalm:
I'll mail you some more straws to clutch at if you like

Welcome Timtam (Get used to people calling you anything but your real name)...enjoy the murk to be found here...especially here!

Don't be a prick Morris

gav

27th April 2011, 19:15

I'd love to have a go too. And I think the bucket crew take it too personally that I said I didn't think it was a good idea. The presentation of the bikes is more often than not poor too. It is what it is. Fun on the right tracks.
Just out of interest, when was the last time you actually went to a bucket race?
Certainly down this neck of the woods most the bikes are prepared to a very high standard, the equal to pretty much every other class. Full circuit racing is run at both Ruapuna and Levels.
How do you feel about the times set by the ProLites? Too slow for you so they shouldnt be there? Hmmm ....
Close racing makes good racing, maybe some of the North Island clubs could trial running a few bucket, sorry F4, races and see how they go?
Just had the Methven Street Races, bucket class, 17 entries, about on par with most classes. Greymouth Street Races also holds a bucket class, 35 entries, usually one of the first classes filled.
F4, one of the last classes where two strokes and four strokes can battle it out together.

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 19:46

Certainly down this neck of the woods most the bikes are prepared to a very high standard, the equal to pretty much every other class. Full circuit racing is run at both Ruapuna and Levels.
How do you feel about the times set by the ProLites? Too slow for you so they shouldnt be there? Hmmm ....
.

Dude...no need to be so precious about your beloved buckets...I'm all for them. And prolites etc I prefer as I think a lot of top racers come out of production based classes. But you probably don't know that I also think motards shouldn't bother with proper race tracks either, and yet that's the type of bike I started out racing and until recently still raced.

ashracer

27th April 2011, 19:59

overall there have been improvements including turning the financials around from a $100,000.00 deficit to a $200,000.00 surplus.

Still not sure how this was possible & give Pavletich $100k also. $200k is a vast amount of money to accumulate in 24 months. I suppose MNZ no longer puting up carnet money for people racing overseas will increase the interest payments coming in each month.

ashracer

27th April 2011, 20:04

But enough of this carry on. Sit back, get a cup of tea, a cold beer, or for the superbike riders; a fruit flavouered wine cooler & enjoy the NZ sidecar GP from Ruapuna January 2010. (also a round of NZ nationals)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KeGF6UlKeE

sidecar bob

27th April 2011, 20:20

I'll mail you some more straws to clutch at if you like

Bring a whole bundle up on the Duke on Thursday when you come, or maybe it would be more reliable to courier them up, at least they will get here that way.
I think it's got to the stage where nobody actually gives a shit anymore & everyone is just taking the piss now, although I have been right from the beginning.

slowpoke

27th April 2011, 20:40

Just out of interest, when was the last time you actually went to a bucket race?
Certainly down this neck of the woods most the bikes are prepared to a very high standard, the equal to pretty much every other class. Full circuit racing is run at both Ruapuna and Levels.
How do you feel about the times set by the ProLites? Too slow for you so they shouldnt be there? Hmmm ....
Close racing makes good racing, maybe some of the North Island clubs could trial running a few bucket, sorry F4, races and see how they go?
Just had the Methven Street Races, bucket class, 17 entries, about on par with most classes. Greymouth Street Races also holds a bucket class, 35 entries, usually one of the first classes filled.
F4, one of the last classes where two strokes and four strokes can battle it out together.

You guys can argue it all you like but are totally subjective about it. As I said, go away and talk to your crews and the general public at a race meeting, see if anybody else is frothing at the mouth to assume more debt by traipsing all over the country or in the case of spectators is willing to pay to watch them as opposed to something else.

For my 2c, the option is already there for people to race in a low cost highly competitive format (onya Billy, Pete and co), and another even lower cost class will detract from what are supposed to be our sports premier showcase events.

prettybillie

27th April 2011, 21:10

ashracer

27th April 2011, 21:32

Snnnnnnnnoooooooooooorrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee - got to 2 minutes 14 and fell asleep!

If you jump forward to 9.40 you will probably have a giggle

ellipsis

27th April 2011, 22:35

....the premier class is the class you choose to race...not endorsing or detracting from F4,but if you haven't seen the class doing its thing at Ruapuna or Levels then you aint up with the play...then again, SI shit again...this thread may be the best thing that the new age of motorcycle sport in NZ has had...the times are definitely changing...this thread will be happening for a long time...the card carrying member will realise that they carry the sport...and they will sort it out...hackles are being raised...long live the sport...it will still be here when the clouds have cleared...and smiley fucks will still be hangin out at race tracks...:yes:

Billy

27th April 2011, 22:41

although I have been right from the beginning.

Of course you have,Why did we ever doubt it??:shutup:

jellywrestler

27th April 2011, 23:01

Bron wasn't shown the starters flag?? Does that mean he wasn't under starters orders, and the GP goes to Adam?? :shit::shutup::facepalm:
Quite possibly. That would also mean that in the 1995 Sidecar Grand Prix everything is null and void too.
The race was started with an Australian flag that was smaller than the rules required at the time.
Still, good timing to find out as all those ill gotten prize monies can now go to either the Christchurch Earthquake fund and/or to repair the damage to the George White Memorial trophy that sustained damage in the september quake and lost one of it's handles

gav

27th April 2011, 23:04

For my 2c, the option is already there for people to race in a low cost highly competitive format (onya Billy, Pete and co), and another even lower cost class will detract from what are supposed to be our sports premier showcase events.

And yet 150SS is OK? The majority of F4 bikes would be worth more than the average RG150. How about those Global Motorsports CBR150's? Don't they want to try and promote that as some "new" National Championship as well?
The National Champs should be an example of the best of the best in all classes. Hence I'd suggest Clubmans either run there bike in the relevant class or maybe volunteer to help out if they dont think they will be fast enough.

jellywrestler

27th April 2011, 23:05

I suppose MNZ no longer puting up carnet money for people racing overseas will increase the interest payments coming in each month.
There's another bit of gossip too
What's the facts with this one, some people have said a whole lot of shit and gone all quiet.????

ellipsis

27th April 2011, 23:12

....some of us are just getting HOT...

ashracer

28th April 2011, 06:37

There's another bit of gossip too
What's the facts with this one, some people have said a whole lot of shit and gone all quiet.????

To the best of my knowledge spyda, MNZ announced less than a week before the sidecar teams carnet was due to be paid for their trip to the Barry Sheene memorial last month. Some may think the timing was intent on stopping the trip. Perhaps the board had finished deliberating on the subject & timing was coincedence. Either way the sidecar boys had a quick whip around & the carnet was paid, trip took place,the 8 kiwi teams did great & everyone had a fun time, (27 f1 sidecars & 14 posties/f2 sidecar class would have been the biggest grid some would have raced with.)

Kickaha

28th April 2011, 06:45

Billy

28th April 2011, 07:17

Serious question,
How many sidecars are there in the country that couldve been racing this past season if a reasonable effort was put in?

jasonu

28th April 2011, 07:33

And yet 150SS is OK? The majority of F4 bikes would be worth more than the average RG150. How about those Global Motorsports CBR150's? Don't they want to try and promote that as some "new" National Championship as well?
The National Champs should be an example of the best of the best in all classes. Hence I'd suggest Clubmans either run there bike in the relevant class or maybe volunteer to help out if they dont think they will be fast enough.

Yes IMO clubmans has no place at the nationals, never has and never will.
Buckets at HD, Puke, or Manfield full track=yawnfest unless you, your boyfriend, mate etc are actually in it, certainly not the thing to attract the paying puiblic.

Biggles08

28th April 2011, 07:49

The problem with not having clubmans is those that don't meet the 115% threshold have no class to fall back into. If people make the effort to turn up, pay their entrys it would be nice for them to get a ride regardless if they are too slow.

My opinion for what its worth would be superbikes, supersport, protwins, prolights, sidecars (if the shit is ever sorted) and clubmans. 6 separate classes on track (mixed stock in with relevant class) is plenty for a meeting and manageable so far as getting track time to all. I know the SI has done great things with the juniors and streetstock field but if these could be eventually all moved into prolights for the future, I think it would be more relevant for the world stage (which is after all where we want these young guns to end up).

Buckets have no place at a national meeting even though after talking to Karl Morgan I want one!

Str8 Jacket

28th April 2011, 07:56

Buckets have no place at a national meeting even though after talking to Karl Morgan I want one!

Maybe we should actually start calling the class by it's proper name; F4 and F5. Some of these bikes are faster than the RG's and 250's.

Not that I am saying that F4 & 5 shuold be a national class but the lack of understanding around it is astounding given the number of 'top level racers' that started in buckets.

And FWIW - the last 2 TRRS's have had over 40 bikes on the grid which made for much better spectating than the handful of bikes in the 'premier class'.....

sidecar bob

28th April 2011, 08:53

Serious question,
How many sidecars are there in the country that couldve been racing this past season if a reasonable effort was put in?

I have a photo on my wall of 20 at Levels in '08, possibly '07, that was the year Scrivy paid everybodys entry fees, (Hidden agenda im sure though) Just wanted to see other people out racing.
I see no reason why we cant have that again, as long as the Steve & Jim show dont try to run over everybody rough shod again.

sidecar bob

28th April 2011, 08:57

To the best of my knowledge spyda, MNZ announced less than a week before the sidecar teams carnet was due to be paid for their trip to the Barry Sheene memorial last month. Some may think the timing was intent on stopping the trip. Perhaps the board had finished deliberating on the subject & timing was coincedence. Either way the sidecar boys had a quick whip around & the carnet was paid, trip took place,the 8 kiwi teams did great & everyone had a fun time, (27 f1 sidecars & 14 posties/f2 sidecar class would have been the biggest grid some would have raced with.)

Im going to be a bit more specific. Chris, Scrivy & myself split the carnet 3 ways, it was nearly 40 thousand dollars. (hidden agenda im sure) Just wanted to see other people out racing.
It was the best race meeting most of us had ever attended & I would do it again, even if it did clash with a National round, & whats so special about them anyway?

Biggles08

28th April 2011, 09:30

Maybe we should actually start calling the class by it's proper name; F4 and F5. Some of these bikes are faster than the RG's and 250's.Never disputed that Str8 Jacket and the point really isn't valid. F4 & F5 (there you go ;-)) are just not a national class and I don't believe they should be...that shouldn't distract from what they are though.

Not that I am saying that F4 & 5 shuold be a national class but the lack of understanding around it is astounding given the number of 'top level racers' that started in buckets.
Hey I thought we had to call them by their correct names!? And just out of interest, what understanding is lacking?

And FWIW - the last 2 TRRS's have had over 40 bikes on the grid which made for much better spectating than the handful of bikes in the 'premier class'.....
Numbers racing is always the goal, but we should be looking at the future of the young guns who as you say 'started in buckets' by providing a platform to launch internationally. So I'll say again with all due respect (seriously), F4 is not a national class and I don't think it should be. Lets concentrate on a class that is closer to where motorcycle racing is heading internationally such as prolites to have more Daniel Metam's exported.

Str8 Jacket

28th April 2011, 10:16

So I'll say again with all due respect (seriously), F4 is not a national class and I don't think it should be.

Yes, just like what I said.

What I think people are misguided about is the speed difference. A top level F4 bike would CREAM a 150 s/s and reguarly do.

As you were, I aint gonna bite Mercus as I have already voted....

Billy

28th April 2011, 10:30

Yes, just like what I said.

What I think people are misguided about is the speed difference. A top level F4 bike would CREAM a 150 s/s and reguarly do.

As you were, I aint gonna bite Mercus as I have already voted....

Finally made a decision and voted,Good skills,

Like your signature,Now who does that remind me of????????????

Str8 Jacket

28th April 2011, 10:35

Finally made a decision and voted,Good skills,

Like your signature,Now who does that remind me of????????????

I sure did, discussions on here and Biggles Racing Page helped me to decide that realistically a change of president will not necessarily be able to make any worthwile changes within the next year and that Jim does actually have direction and experience. Hopefully this will be the year that the things that were promised will come into fruition and that the communication will be open and transparent.
IMO the committee needs to be strenghtened before any President can be effective and able to push through positive changes.

I am hoping that there will be more than two candidates next year and that the nominees may have a better chance to introduce themselves etc.

Deano

28th April 2011, 10:37

The problem with not having clubmans is those that don't meet the 115% threshold have no class to fall back into. If people make the effort to turn up, pay their entrys it would be nice for them to get a ride regardless if they are too slow.

if they aren't within the 115% threshold then should they be racing at a nationals event ?

no clubmans = more track time for your 'premiere classes' marcus. thought you would be in to that.

who tagged pro twins=fail ? funny considering there were just as many entries at some rounds as superstock, maybe 1 less than superlite and 125gp, and more than one class also

tag fail lol

Deano

28th April 2011, 10:39

I am hoping that there will be more than two candidates next year and that the nominees may have a better chance to introduce themselves etc.

want me to nominate you next year ?

Str8 Jacket

28th April 2011, 10:42

want me to nominate you next year ?

want me to punch you in the face?

Billy

28th April 2011, 10:46

if they aren't within the 115% threshold then should they be racing at a nationals event ?

no clubmans = more track time for your 'premiere classes' marcus. thought you would be in to that.

who tagged pro twins=fail ? funny considering there were just as many entries at some rounds as superstock, maybe 1 less than superlite and 125gp, and more than one class also

tag fail lol

Fully agree mate,

How can the 115% rule work properly when youve got 2 classes running in the same race anyway.

There was only one class that failed and it was selfinflicted,Be my guest and add a tag LOL

scrivy

28th April 2011, 11:05

Im going to be a bit more specific. Chris, Scrivy & myself split the carnet 3 ways, it was nearly 40 thousand dollars. (hidden agenda im sure) Just wanted to see other people out racing.
It was the best race meeting most of us had ever attended & I would do it again, even if it did clash with a National round, & whats so special about them anyway?

What????????????? I thought you wanted my $13,000 for your Heinekens in Aussie???!!

scrivy

28th April 2011, 11:07

There's another bit of gossip too
What's the facts with this one, some people have said a whole lot of shit and gone all quiet.????

Where's the shit Spyda??
Why do you think it was shit........... because your 'side' said so??
I guess everything we say is shit then eh.............. :facepalm:

Oh look........... it was true afterall................ :yes:

Biggles08

28th April 2011, 11:17

Yes, just like what I said.

What I think people are misguided about is the speed difference. A top level F4 bike would CREAM a 150 s/s and reguarly do.

Fair points I guess, I have never thought that though for the record.

As you were, I aint gonna bite Mercus as I have already voted....

haha...Mercus....and another name! Good to hear you have done your own research and voted Str8 Jacket. We need more of this.

Not sure what you were meant to be 'biting' on however...it was merely how I see it, that is all.

Biggles08

28th April 2011, 11:31

if they aren't within the 115% threshold then should they be racing at a nationals event ?

I don't see why not...however, I agree they should not be riding in the class if they are not within 115% of the leader. Remember Deano, the Nats has a far faster 'field' than club racing so a decent club rider may not make the cut at national level. I don't see why they shouldn't get a ride though since they are supporting the event etc if time allows. I guess what my point is can we consolidate all the classes as best we can to maximize track time for the 'premier classes'.

no clubmans = more track time for your 'premiere classes' marcus. thought you would be in to that. I'm into getting more track time of course, but I have never suggested this should be at the expense of a legitimate class. The questions I was asking in another thread was "Are there too many classes at Nationals?" I guess the debate is whether clubmans is a legitimate class at Nationals, in fact the debate is about many classes for this reason. The only reason I can see for clubmans is to accommodate those that don't make the cut in their respective classes. I personally think this is a good enough reason, but many may disagree and that's fine.

scrivy

28th April 2011, 11:32

greetings all .
Tim Edmonds here from Trentham. in process of getting license so will hopefully be able to vote, interested to read prievious 75 pages , will have questions as dont know either side, i can be reached at timedmonds44 @gmail as i have got the message that who one is is important

The best advice I could offer you Tim would be to have a good think about the sport and the current administration and how detrimental it has been to the sport. MNZ has had clubs pull their affilliation, with more seriously thinking about it in the near future.

Then look at what the other candidate Chris Lawrance has to offer:
Honesty,
Respectability,
Non-aggressive manner,
Communication,
Approachable,
No enemies in our sport,
For all facets of our sport,
Non biased,
No hidden agendas,
Transparency,
Never been denied access to a race meeting,
Never banned from MNZ offices,
Never been investigated by the police,
No double standards,
No conflicts of interest,
No fabrication of profitability.

Then I guess you need to factor in that being President of MNZ is not just about roadracing or dealing with competitors and clubs, its a much larger job than most of us realise. And the incumbant must have no anger management issues either.

Do you think both candidates can go the distance?
Chris can tick all of the above boxes.
Jim unfortunately can't. And if you look at the items above, Jim has failed some extremely serious issues already. Leopards don't change their spots, and he will only continue to wreak havoc for MNZ - that is not a good thing!

Hope this helps you Tim.

Scrivy

Str8 Jacket

28th April 2011, 11:38

Not sure what you were meant to be 'biting' on however...it was merely how I see it, that is all.

lol, I was referring to the way the thread has gone up to now. Ya know the "my opinion is RIGHT, yours is WRONG' type of biting.....

Deano

28th April 2011, 11:45

Remember Deano, the Nats has a far faster 'field' than club racing so a decent club rider may not make the cut at national level.

generally but not necessarily so mucus :)

fields are faster but in actual fact, any decent club rider should make 115%. the threshold for supersport was only 1.17s, superlite, 1.25s

slowpoke

28th April 2011, 12:05

The National Champs should be an example of the best of the best in all classes. Hence I'd suggest Clubmans either run there bike in the relevant class or maybe volunteer to help out if they dont think they will be fast enough.

If you want "all classes" to run you'd better be prepared for Motards <450, motards >450, post classic junior, post classic senior, and the half a dozen classic classes to rock up too. And don't forget the BEARS bikes which also break up into a few classes......how long did you plan on each meeting taking? Based on your "all classes" logic I'd say anything less than a week would be a struggle. Oops, don't forget the sidecars too....(couldn't resist)

OK, I'm pulling your pisser. But seriously what would be the point of a "new" class? Each of the existing Nationals classes meets a specific need within the sport: Prolite = low cost starter/feeder class, F3/Superlite = open engineering for the creative types, Protwins = low cost middleweight stepping stone, GP125 for a pure GP experience etc etc right on up to 200hp monsters ridden by blokes who could qualify for WSBK. So what opportunity or need would F4/5 create that isn't already met by the Prolites class?

Yes IMO clubmans has no place at the nationals, never has and never will.

Here's the thing: the Nationals meetings are run by Clubs not MNZ. So Manwatu-Orion or Vic Club etc are investing/risking the clubs time, personnel and money to put on the event. As a result I think as many Club racers as possible should have the opportunity to participate in what is literally their event[....otherwise why should the club bother? What do they get out of it, they don't make any money. But I don't think the average club racer who may only race 3/4 times a year and never buys new tyres should be forced to compete against what may world class racers. Often we are battling to pay for said tyres and no-one is gonna front up with an entry fee if there's a risk they can't qualify.

Sorry, racing fellow part timers at 120kph in F4/5 where tyres etc last a season is one thing, but "competing" against factory supported sometimes professional racers who could qualify for a WSBK or WSS grid at over 270kph is a challenge of completely different proportions, technically, mentally, and financially.

And FWIW - the last 2 TRRS's have had over 40 bikes on the grid which made for much better spectating than the handful of bikes in the 'premier class'.....

No offence Hel's but being an F4/5 racer you're not exactly unbiased, lol. Taupo is a much better venue for you guys 'cos you run the short "go kart" track, which as you know is a lot different to boring Manfeild, or HD where the throttle literally wouldn't leave the stop from the hairpin right round to turn 2, over half a lap.

For what it's worth I can remember a plain ol' track day at Taupo a few (too many)years ago when Stroudy showed up late (typical), and 90% of the other racers/spectators etc headed for the pit wall to watch him arc it up in a way few people can.....and he wasn't even racing anyone. The F4/5 battles have an appeal all their own, their own skillset, and look heaps of fun, but sheer numbers doesn't correspond to compelling viewing on a full track. Kaitoke? Now that's a different matter.

Str8 Jacket

28th April 2011, 12:11

No offence Hel's but being an F4/5 racer you're not exactly unbiased, lol. Taupo is a much better venue for you guys 'cos you run the short "go kart" track, which as you know is a lot different to boring Manfeild, or HD where the throttle literally wouldn't leave the stop from the hairpin right round to turn 2, over half a lap.

No offence taken as I too would like to race a 'real bike' one day however I must point out that the bike that Ken Jones was riding at Manfeild was/is a legal bucket and he was going much faster than most other riders till his bike crapped out. Ever tried wringing the tits of a small bike? Do you think that you'd really have the balls to go round the track without touching that brake lever?

I am sorry but it *was* boring watching a handful of premier bikes going round in circles where as with a full class you have battles going on all over the place.

IMO it really doesn't matter what class is out there but lets get the grids full!

slowpoke

28th April 2011, 12:22

want me to nominate you next year ?

want me to punch you in the face?

Haha, best comeback I've read on this thread!

CHOPPA

28th April 2011, 12:35

I personally think that superstock should be running a control/shit tyre so there is a clear difference between the gravy class. This would also increase tyre life so fewer tyres could be used and it also defines the classes.

In oz the superstock have to run essentially road tyres, they are only allowed I think 1 set per meeting but it slows them down and makes it cheaper but doesnt dilute the racing. The stock classes are thriving over there

slowpoke

28th April 2011, 12:38

Ever tried wringing the tits of a small bike? Do you think that you'd really have the balls to go round the track without touching that brake lever?

Faaark, no! I love my brake lever :love:, we have a very close relationship.......just wish I could say the same for that naughty throttle, which consistently refuses to do what I want it to do......baaaaaad throttle :nono:

Balls? You've seen me at the track, you know that area is the baggiest/emptiest part of my leathers....don't tell me you haven't checked it out:yes:

IMO it really doesn't matter what class is out there but lets get the grids full!

I'll drink to that...or will when I get out of this joint, red cordial just doesn't do the job.

Str8 Jacket

28th April 2011, 12:46

I'll drink to that...or will when I get out of this joint, red cordial just doesn't do the job.

:D

Man and here I was thinking that we could have a bitch fight!!

sidecar bob

28th April 2011, 12:47

RDjase

28th April 2011, 12:52

Prolite = low cost starter/feeder class

Is SS150 a National class? Or was it replaced as a National class by Prolites after it officialy came in

scrivy

28th April 2011, 13:41

Biggles08

28th April 2011, 13:48

generally but not necessarily so mucus :)

fields are faster but in actual fact, any decent club rider should make 115%. the threshold for supersport was only 1.17s, superlite, 1.25s

Yup...i see your point and it is true re the 115%.

I guess what I was referring to was my limited experience on a 600cc. This year at the Nats at Manfeild I managed to get into the 10,s with a PB of 1:10.2...this was good enough for the back of the field at Nationals but most likely would have won a race at the VMCC winter series. The difference is poles apart.

Drew

28th April 2011, 13:54

I rekon they should also run stock suspension with settings done by another competitor chosen at random from the same class. That should fill the stands with spectators.

Fark.............. it would be like going to a rodeo competition!!!

I like the idea! Only times I'm ever actually fast is riding a total piece of shit, if everyone else was on a shitter I'd have a shot!

Drew

28th April 2011, 13:59

Yup...i see your point and it is true re the 115%.

I guess what I was referring to was my limited experience on a 600cc. This year at the Nats at Manfeild I managed to get into the 10,s with a PB of 1:10.2...this was good enough for the back of the field at Nationals but most likely would have won a race at the VMCC winter series. The difference is poles apart.

Apples and oranges there. The winter series didn't have a single completely dry meeting last year to start with, and ask all the big guns why they don't compete in the winter series till the last couple rounds. They'll tell you there's no point in practising going slow, and setting your bike up for conditions you're likely not gonna race in at the nats.

Also, I can't think of anyone I know who stepped up to Nationals level racing, and didn't go faster than when they were club racing.

Billy

28th April 2011, 14:00

Is SS150 a National class? Or was it replaced as a National class by Prolites after it officialy came in

No, SS150 was and never will be a national class!!

Drew

28th April 2011, 14:03

No, SS150 was and never will be a national class!!

Big call there fella. They outnumbered you guys two to one down south.

Billy

28th April 2011, 14:13

Big call there fella. They outnumbered you guys two to one down south.

Sure did,

Alot of them were keen to come North as well,Only problem is the class was badly handled for the get go and No homologation was necessary,Therefore none were applied for and the class can only run as a production based class if the Distributors apply and supply MNZ with the full list of specs,Also even if Suzuki or Kawasaki bothered too apply now,Bugger all of the bikes would be eligible as they have had things changed on them that arent in the factory specs.

That was partly behind the thinking with the Prolite class,New Slate/Bikes etc

Kickaha

28th April 2011, 14:18

Serious question,
How many sidecars are there in the country that couldve been racing this past season if a reasonable effort was put in?

Betwen 12-14 without much effors should be easy, 16-20 wouldn't be unrealistic with a bit of effort form the owners however that is unlikely to happen

no clubmans = more track time for your 'premiere classes' marcus. thought you would be in to that.

So long as the premier class don't mind paying more to make up the shortfall in income from not running clubmans

I guess everything we say is shit then eh.............. :facepalm:

Everything you say is anyway :finger:

No, SS150 was and never will be a national class!!

It should have been

scrivy

28th April 2011, 14:57

Everything you say is anyway :finger:

Hey Kick, aren't you staying at Bob and Traceys house this week??? :grouphug::buggerd::doctor::devil2:

racer40

28th April 2011, 17:19

Hey Biggles my F4 is available for you to ride in a couple of weeks at next bucket day (mt welly ) Just a standard F4 FXR150 on slicks

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 17:25

Big call there fella. They outnumbered you guys two to one down south.

Oi...I said I want to be Prime Minister!

jellywrestler

28th April 2011, 18:21

Where's the shit Spyda??
Why do you think it was shit........... because your 'side' said so??
I guess everything we say is shit then eh.............. :facepalm:

Oh look........... it was true afterall................ :yes:

wasn't using the word in a bad way Scrivy, just had heard some 'stuff' and when someone bought it up figured let's hear what happened, Bob mentioned something about it at Paeroa 19th feb.

As for the 'Your side' comment, I don't take sides thanks.
And FYI when I heard that there may be an issue with the Carnet I went directly to one of the people who were going and offered to cover their machine.

Biggles08

29th April 2011, 10:20

Apples and oranges there. The winter series didn't have a single completely dry meeting last year to start with, and ask all the big guns why they don't compete in the winter series till the last couple rounds. They'll tell you there's no point in practising going slow, and setting your bike up for conditions you're likely not gonna race in at the nats.

Also, I can't think of anyone I know who stepped up to Nationals level racing, and didn't go faster than when they were club racing.

I guess it worked for me at 'Dampton Downs' in the wet then :yes:

With regards to times, the previous year when I did the VMCC winter series almost all the rounds were dry and 10.2 would still have been in the top 3. This is the point...club riding / meetings are not nearly as fast as a national field regardless of if you are within 115% of the times or not. This is why club level riders should compete in a National class if they meet the 115% threshold...they will get faster doing it.

Billy

29th April 2011, 10:26

Hey Biggles my F4 is available for you to ride in a couple of weeks at next bucket day (mt welly ) Just a standard F4 FXR150 on slicks

Hi Chris,

Thanks for coming on here and giving us your opinion,Im sure you have better things to do with your time as does Jim actually running MNZ and not just talking about it!!

Yes I was aware you had competed at the TT as I too am able to access "mylaps",
Im sure youve heard the expression "1 swallow does NOT make a summer"

Can you please explain too the rest of us,What if anything you have done in the past 2 years as a senior and well respected member of the sidecar fraternity as well as being the immediate past president of the now disassociated NZSRA to ease the rift between some sidecar competitors in nz and MNZ and the sidecar competitors that did try to put on a show for the general public???

And is this how you would handle the difficult issues as MNZ president???

I am aware of the amount of effort you have put into doing the National series pre the period mentioned above,As I have been a competitor and member of MNZ and its predecessor the NZACU since first competing at the now defunct Porrirua Grand Prix in 1971,I think I have as good an idea if not better than most on this site,Whos who and which people are capable.

During that 40 years I have been a close personal friend of the current MNZ president and have observed the total commitment he has had for MNZ/NZACU as a whole for very little return,He is NOT a retired or current when they feel like it competitor,He has devoted a huge part of his life to nurturing a sport he has never had any physical return from and therefore has NO hidden agendas as have been implied by others in this very thread.

Is it not also true that the surgery you mention above was kidney replacement ?

Was this not due too you being diagnosed with renal failure and has been stated in a previous post in this thread continued too compete putting yourself and other competitors/spectators at risk in the case of loss of consciouness while operating your machine,We have all seen the evidence of the effects of renal failure in Jonah Lomu,I would suggest he is a much bigger/stronger and fitter individual than yourself and he clearly couldnt deal with it.

Is it not your responsibility as a competitor to notify MNZ through your medical practitioner if or when circumstances arise medically that may impede your ability too control a machine safely?In fact let me answer that for you"Yes" and its on the MNZ licence application form we all fill out when applying for a licence.

Did you or your medical practitioner notify MNZ immediately you were diagnosed?or is it fact the current MNZ president had too make contact with you on this matter and is this the type of transperency Mr Scrivener speaks of ??

Is it also true you intend to run the roadrace National series in the same manner you have become accustomed to with the TRRS whereby it has been stated by both Sidecar Bob and scrivy it runs at a loss ???

Is it also true as stated by Mr Scrivener in an earlier post in this thread that there have been No new entrants too the NZSRA in the past 2 years only 1 renewal and 2 teams that MIGHT by a rig after the next Have A Go day??

If this is seen too be fact,I find it disturbing that you can claim you will be increasing the numbers at National Level when you cant rally the troops in sidecar racing alone!

As a comparison,I have singlehandedly introduced 4 new entrants at club level,Rachel Price,Astrid Hartnell,Simon Vollmer and the late Tim Porter,
(It should be noted here Rachel had competed a couple of times previous but had no immediate avenue to further compete until I contacted her)
Moved Simon on to participate at National level in the new Prolite 250 class as well as introduced at National level the following,Alex Bowers,Paul Billington,Sarah Elliot.

Surely that leaves the NZSRAs attempts over the past 2 years too be wanting???

I have not seen anywhere,You have stated how you will improve the situation re Junior training and entry level coaching and nurturing as has been evident in the South Island in recent years and is clearly the best way of increasing sustainable grid numbers and growing the sport,

What are your plans here??

I am aware the current board and commission have some big plans in this area especially the 13-15 year old age bracket targeted by Peter Jones and MCC.

Can you give the members a guarantee that Messrs Scrivener and Bryan will hold NO position of power with in the organisation and that you will not be influenced in anyway by their destructive approach too the sport ??

Finally,If you have taken my comments on here personally then I am saddened,It was however in some cases the only way too get my point across without one on one dialogue,Or too put it another way,Dealing with the dogs and not the owner,

"Who let the dogs out"Make an excellent song that!!

Hi Chris,

I see you were on this site last night answering questions,You must have missed these listed above.or are you just plain ignoring them as they are too hard to answer??????

scott411

29th April 2011, 11:05

Hi Chris,

I see you were on this site last night answering questions,You must have missed these listed above.or are you just plain ignoring them as they are too hard to answer??????

similar to what Jim is doing? to be honest, i do not blame the board for not answering questions on here,

alot of the questions surronding the road race nationals should really be asked to the comission, i do not believe the president should be in charge of the road race nationals, or the MX national, or trails, or cross country ones either,

in all seriousness this thread died long ago, with both sides of the Jim vs Chris sides point scoring off each other, its been like two school girls screaming at each other, neither listening,

and if you take choppa's poll thread, it is 37-47 at the moment, so there is not a huge portion of the 5500 licience holders here, so either candidate would be much better served going to a motorcycle race meeting than adding to the pointless drivel,

i just had to add this in hope of getting to 100 pages ;)

Billy

29th April 2011, 11:18

similar to what Jim is doing? to be honest, i do not blame the board for not answering questions on here,

alot of the questions surronding the road race nationals should really be asked to the comission, i do not believe the president should be in charge of the road race nationals, or the MX national, or trails, or cross country ones either,

in all seriousness this thread died long ago, with both sides of the Jim vs Chris sides point scoring off each other, its been like two school girls screaming at each other, neither listening,

and if you take choppa's poll thread, it is 37-47 at the moment, so there is not a huge portion of the 5500 licience holders here, so either candidate would be much better served going to a motorcycle race meeting than adding to the pointless drivel,

i just had to add this in hope of getting to 100 pages ;)

Yip,

I get your point Scott,But I would hardly call the post you quoted as screaming,

The difference between Jim and Chris is I have offered Chris to answer these questions offline as well as on Facebook,If I was able too I would contact him directly at his email addy,As is available with Jim.

I agree re the commissioners running the individual disciplines,But the candidates must have some idea of how they see the sport progressing,Jim has answered my questions on facebook and there are other issues in the post as well they need clarifying

scott411

29th April 2011, 11:29

the thread I quoted was just the end, i was more referring to the banter (nice word) between you and Scrivy,

Billy

29th April 2011, 11:35

the thread I quoted was just the end, i was more referring to the banter (nice word) between you and Scrivy,

Very nice word and I agree but the post was neither directed at or by Scrivy

sidecar bob

29th April 2011, 14:24

Yip,

I get your point Scott,But I would hardly call the post you quoted as screaming,

The difference between Jim and Chris is I have offered Chris to answer these questions offline as well as on Facebook,If I was able too I would contact him directly at his email addy,As is available with Jim.

I agree re the commissioners running the individual disciplines,But the candidates must have some idea of how they see the sport progressing,Jim has answered my questions on facebook and there are other issues in the post as well they need clarifying

If you past history is anything to go by, I would suggest you only want to ask Chris questions so you can attempt to trip him up on a technicality, or dissagree with him.
His time would be better spent elsewhere, which it appears he has worked out for himself.
And Billy, I can personally assure you, I wil hold no position of power within the organisation & if you think Chris comes running to me to see what I think of things, you are seriously deluded.
As for my "destructive behaviour" within the sport?? Seroiusly, what the hell would you know about what I get up to? Maybe running three of my own outfits at the have a go day? Lending my classic outfit to a fellow competitor for a season because his was broken? forking out of my own funds for things that benifit the entire group? I dont know. Maybe you heard the same lie I was a party to about myself that popped up on an e mail a couple of days ago.
I have yet to deal with the inventor of that one, but it can wait until after the weekend

Billy

29th April 2011, 14:43

If you past history is anything to go by, I would suggest you only want to ask Chris questions so you can attempt to trip him up on a technicality, or dissagree with him.

Absolutely not,I am interested in the answer too those questions only,As are others,
I have asked him anything else Im interested in on Marcus's facebook page

Shorty_925

29th April 2011, 15:41

http://www.youtube.com/user/khmwines

wharfy

29th April 2011, 17:47

http://www.youtube.com/user/khmwines

How did you find that ?

gav

29th April 2011, 19:41

OK, that's it, Im voting for Mike Pero as President ..... :corn: :innocent:

ashracer

29th April 2011, 21:16

Yes I was aware you had competed at the TT as I too am able to access "mylaps",
Im sure youve heard the expression "1 swallow does NOT make a summer"

Chris has actually done the TT 5 times, 96,99,2000, 2002,& 2003. Was also the 2002 IOM national sidecar champion (Over a 5 round series i think from memory) Has done the NZ nationals over 20 times, cemetery circuit 21 times, twice NZ sidecar champ, 3rd in NZ 125cc gp (about 91) He did a couple of seasons in F3, did a 6 hour endurance race at Nurburgring & an 8 hour at Magny Cour's on a 400 honda. He also did the australian sidecar championsip. You might say this counts for nothing as mnz president. But what you do learn over these years is what the competitors like from a race meeting. Bikes are meant to be fun remember. Kevin Swantz retired when he said the enjoyment had gone.
Chris biggest attribute over Jim. HONESTY.
(Thats my view by the way)

scrivy

29th April 2011, 21:20

Hey Billy,

Hey, if ya wanna ask Chris some questions, come to the 'Have-a-go day' this Sunday at Taupo. Chris will be there to answer any questions you have.
He's also offered to take you for a ride free of charge!! Or I'll pay for you, 'cause I'm promoting the sport.
He promises he won't go unconcious on you.............................

Shorty_925

29th April 2011, 23:35

How did you find that ?

MNZ website.

ashracer

30th April 2011, 07:16

Thats a great idea. Then Billy could see that the sidecar people do all get on incredibly well & have done for a long time. I first joined in 1987. Where he heard it is the 'Now disassociated" NZSCRA I can only guess. It is in fact a large group of paid up members, there friends, family's & sponsors/supporters who all get on incredibly well & have done for a long time. Oh there is ONE sidecar racer in NZ who is not a member of NZSCRA, his name is Steve Bron.

White trash

30th April 2011, 07:37

Oh there is ONE sidecar racer in NZ who is not a member of NZSCRA, his name is Steve Bron.

Bullshit. <tenchars/>

Billy

30th April 2011, 07:58

thats a great idea. Then billy could see that the sidecar people do all get on incredibly well & have done for a long time. I first joined in 1987. Where he heard it is the 'now disassociated" nzscra i can only guess. It is in fact a large group of paid up members, there friends, family's & sponsors/supporters who all get on incredibly well & have done for a long time. Oh there is one sidecar racer in nz who is not a member of nzscra, his name is steve bron.

disassociated from mnz,But surely you knew that cause you would have had too vote on it,Wouldnt you???steve bron 2 x nz champion you mean?

bullshit. <tenchars/>

correct,but dont you mean more bullshit?

Shaun

30th April 2011, 08:17

Bullshit. <tenchars/>

Where, NOT anywhere in this thread surely:violin:

Biggles08

30th April 2011, 09:27

Where, NOT anywhere in this thread surely:violin:
hahaha...The art of sarcasm IS the best form of humor...just didn't think you had it in ya Shaun!

Drew

30th April 2011, 13:27

Oh there is ONE sidecar racer in NZ who is not a member of NZSCRA, his name is Steve Bron.Did we get membership free?

Bullshit. <tenchars>LOL, such eloquence.

</tenchars>

ashracer

30th April 2011, 14:02

Where, NOT anywhere in this thread surely:violin:

Shouldnt you be in England Shaun, the first round of BSB was last weekend??

Shaun

30th April 2011, 17:26

Shouldnt you be in England Shaun, the first round of BSB was last weekend??

The plan changed and it was not in my best interest to go in the end

gixerracer

30th April 2011, 19:33

Robert Taylor

1st May 2011, 13:08

I havent read all of the other threads on this subject nor have the considerable time that would be required to do so!

If we dont vote then when it comes to grizzling we should be similarly apathetic about doing so. Its also timely to remember that most of the stewards and officials that act on behalf of MNZ are volunteers that give up most of their precious spare time and are compensated only for expenses and sometimes I suspect not even that. ( they are not politicians! ) Warts and all we must always take stock of their goodwill.

But moreover especially when it comes to the position of President I think ( me speaking as a private citizen ) we need continuity. I liken it to the new Government in the UK elected last year. They inherited a very broken economy and disfunctional society, even moreso than here. You do not fix such huge issues in one electoral term!

This sport like any is full of warring factions and some with questionable agendas and not all decisions are taken autocratically at the very highest level. But its a problem that any President and elected board has to contend with. Personally I have no issue with Chris Lawrence nor any need of but I think after only one year as President Jim has had precious little time to make his mark and therefore also continue with some of the positive directions taken

It is my sincere hope that the road race rules are not severely emasculated once again because there is nothing worse for competitors and suppliers when there is constant uncertainty. Indeed a number of those suppliers are massive bill payers and / or very active in this sport and their involvement must be respected commensuarte with what they put in. Too often they are taken for granted by too many, almost as if they are a charity.

Jim is not perfect and can have a gruff demeanour at times but there is no doubt that his heart is in the right place and he is and will continue to work very hard. Personally I will be checking that my associate membership is still current and voting for continuity.

For the reasons expressed above I urge all MNZ members to vote and may the best man win, whomever they collectively consider that to be.

ellipsis

1st May 2011, 13:20

...+1 to your comments...

SWERVE

1st May 2011, 14:27

Thought you have been a bit quiet of late Robert.
Totally correct ........ and well stated............... you would have had plenty to say on some of other posts, im sure.:shutup:

Kiwi Graham

1st May 2011, 16:00

Not making a choice is a bad choice.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137011-Presidents-Poll!
More importantly place your vote in the election, if you can get down to the AGM and take part in the forum and workshop http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137077-Road-Race-Riders-Forum

Road racers are a small portion of the membership, lets make our choices count and have an input it to who does what and how we want it done.

Crasherfromwayback

1st May 2011, 16:12

Jim is not perfect and can have a gruff demeanour at times but there is no doubt that his heart is in the right place and he is and will continue to work very hard.

For the reasons expressed above I urge all MNZ members to vote and may the best man win, whomever they collectively consider that to be.

Is he a good kisser?

Billy

1st May 2011, 16:48

Attached is an endorsement from Bill Grice(CEO Suzuki NZ).

This should help you decide!

Robert Taylor

1st May 2011, 16:53

Is he a good kisser?

If you have same sex designs on the President why dont you ask him that question directly? The thought never occured to me nor of asking his wife or his many girlfriends.
I started this thread as I think its a serious subject and there has been so much trivia and bitching in the first thread that was started. Clearly, keeping this thread objective and free of nonsense was a forlorn hope.

Crasherfromwayback

1st May 2011, 17:00

If you have same sex designs on the President why dont you ask him that question directly? The thought never occured to me nor of asking his wife or his many girlfriends.
.

Because the only time I made the MISTAKE of asking Jim Tuckerman anything, I was spoken too like an annoyance. Does his wife know about his many girlfriends?

Pussy

1st May 2011, 18:09

Good thing that it's still a democracy, and people can choose THEMSELVES who THEY wish to vote for....

scrivy

1st May 2011, 19:07

Hi Robert,

I havent read all of the other threads on this subject nor have the considerable time that would be required to do so!

If we dont vote then when it comes to grizzling we should be similarly apathetic about doing so.
Absolutely correct!

I think after only one year as President Jim has had precious little time to make his mark and therefore also continue with some of the positive directions taken
He's been President for two years.

It is my sincere hope that the road race rules are not severely emasculated once again because there is nothing worse for competitors and suppliers when there is constant uncertainty.
Do you know with any certainty that Jim won't do that, or that Chris will do that???

Indeed a number of those suppliers are massive bill payers and / or very active in this sport and their involvement must be respected commensuarte with what they put in. Too often they are taken for granted by too many, almost as if they are a charity.
I just want to know, how exactly has Jim has grown the sport, if the Nats this year no longer have one of their main sponsors? Or may not even have a club that will run the Manfeild round of the Nats?

Jim is not perfect and can have a gruff demeanour at times
I absolutely agree!
but there is no doubt that his heart is in the right place and he is and will continue to work very hard.
Are we voting for a President or Club Patron??
If its a President, then we need to elect a credible, non-aggressive individual that can be a respectable figurehead for our sport. One that can go to any event in NZ without being banned. One that can respectably liaise with contractors/sponsors/organisers/members and club officials without threats of violence towards them.
Having your heart in the right place is of no relevance if you are prepared to ignore paid financial members, deliberately attack individuals, refuse to act on governance issues, not be transparent, and have affiliated clubs pull out of MNZ.

For the reasons expressed above I urge all MNZ members to vote and may the best man win, whomever they collectively consider that to be.

Yes, please everyone VOTE!!

Billy

2nd May 2011, 18:01

If we dont vote then when it comes to grizzling we should be similarly apathetic about doing so. Its also timely to remember that most of the stewards and officials that act on behalf of MNZ are volunteers that give up most of their precious spare time and are compensated only for expenses and sometimes I suspect not even that. ( they are not politicians! ) Warts and all we must always take stock of their goodwill.

But moreover especially when it comes to the position of President I think ( me speaking as a private citizen ) we need continuity. I liken it to the new Government in the UK elected last year. They inherited a very broken economy and disfunctional society, even moreso than here. You do not fix such huge issues in one electoral term!

This sport like any is full of warring factions and some with questionable agendas and not all decisions are taken autocratically at the very highest level. But its a problem that any President and elected board has to contend with. Personally I have no issue with Chris Lawrence nor any need of but I think after only one year as President Jim has had precious little time to make his mark and therefore also continue with some of the positive directions taken

It is my sincere hope that the road race rules are not severely emasculated once again because there is nothing worse for competitors and suppliers when there is constant uncertainty. Indeed a number of those suppliers are massive bill payers and / or very active in this sport and their involvement must be respected commensuarte with what they put in. Too often they are taken for granted by too many, almost as if they are a charity.

Jim is not perfect and can have a gruff demeanour at times but there is no doubt that his heart is in the right place and he is and will continue to work very hard. Personally I will be checking that my associate membership is still current and voting for continuity.

For the reasons expressed above I urge all MNZ members to vote and may the best man win, whomever they collectively consider that to be.

Absolutely,Couldnt agree more Robert.

Its easy too look honest if you dont answer the hard questions!

Robert Taylor

2nd May 2011, 19:37

Absolutely,Couldnt agree more Robert.

Its easy too look honest if you dont answer the hard questions!

Hey Billy, Jim aint perfect but I think there should be continuity. But as Ive also stressed Ive got nothing against Chris Lawrence. Its important that everyone votes.

Biggles08

2nd May 2011, 19:59

Hey Billy, Jim aint perfect but I think there should be continuity. But as Ive also stressed Ive got nothing against Chris Lawrence. Its important that everyone votes.

And with online voting this time its soooo easy...no excuses! VOTE!

sidecar bob

5th May 2011, 08:22

Absolutely,Couldnt agree more Robert.

Its easy too look honest if you dont answer the hard questions!

And even easier if you dont answer any questions, Emails or anything.
I wonder if anyone cares to explain why Choppa cant even get a "yep we got your e mail, now piss off" out of MNZ at the moment, regarding his request re carnet bond covor.
The current policy of ignoring members requests for information needs to go.
Scrivy spent seven weeks & countless E mails & phn calls waiting for minutes of meetings, which could have & should have been actioned within 24 hours of the first request.
Perhaps a small portion of the 200k that Jim has apparently made should be invested in employing an individual to answer member requests.
Also, on the 200k thing. When did the goal of MNZ become to make money? Its not a business or Corporation, so excessive profit, suggests that members have paid excessively for the privelidge of being members, or MNZ has not provided properly for them.
Id hardly be bragging that id fleeced members to the tune of 200k in excess.

Billy

5th May 2011, 09:37

And even easier if you dont answer any questions, Emails or anything.
I wonder if anyone cares to explain why Choppa cant even get a "yep we got your e mail, now piss off" out of MNZ at the moment.
The current policy of ignoring members requests for information needs to go.
Scrivy spent seven weeks & countless E mails & phn calls waiting for minutes of meetings.
Perhaps a small portion of the 200k that Jim has apparently made should be invested in employing an individual to answer member requests.
Also, on the 200k thing. When did the goal of MNZ become to make money? Its not a business or Corporation, so the profit suggests that members have paid excessively for the privelidge of being members, or MNZ has not provided properly for them.
Id hardly be bragging that id fleeced members to the tune of 200k in excess.

Who doesnt answer ANY questions???I have always managed to get the information Ive required,Admittedly not always on the spot,But thats how it is with an organisation run mostly by volunteers where decisions have too be discussed between the board and the commissioners in some cases before information can be released,I dont think anybodys going too suggest there arent flaws in the communication channels between MNZ and its members,But just try and remember,Its not all about you and there are 5500 members involved!!

Chris has already demonstrated that things will be no better if he was president by not answering questions here and on Marcus's facebook page.

As far as the $200,000.00 is concerned,Would this be the same sum that was supposedly falsified earlier in this thread,Are you trying to suggest Jim and the board set out on a mission to rob the MNZ members of unnecessary fees to provide a profit???Or could it be they just did their job properly and cut some useless money draining fat out of the system to try and stop the organisation from going under as it was headed??

Who said they will continue on down the same track for their next term and there wont be any benefits for members come out of it??Oh yeah NOBODY!!Furthermore if anybody was to make a statement pertaining to this subject that was going to be credible,It would have to be somebody on the board!

To sum up Steve,Whether Jim and the board lose money or make money as far as your concerned theyve got it wrong,Could be worse,They could just sit back and let it all go pearshaped when things dont go their way.

sidecar bob

5th May 2011, 09:54

Who doesnt answer ANY questions???I have always managed to get the information Ive required,Admittedly not always on the spot,But thats how it is with an organisation run mostly by volunteers where decisions have too be discussed between the board and the commissioners in some cases before information can be released,I dont think anybodys going too suggest there arent flaws in the communication channels between MNZ and its members,But just try and remember,Its not all about you and there are 5500 members involved!!

Chris has already demonstrated that things will be no better if he was president by not answering questions here and on Marcus's facebook page.

As far as the $200,000.00 is concerned,Would this be the same sum that was supposedly falsified earlier in this thread,Are you trying to suggest Jim and the board set out on a mission to rob the MNZ members of unnecessary fees to provide a profit???Or could it be they just did their job properly and cut some useless money draining fat out of the system to try and stop the organisation from going under as it was headed??

Who said they will continue on down the same track for their next term and there wont be any benefits for members come out of it??Oh yeah NOBODY!!Furthermore if anybody was to make a statement pertaining to this subject that was going to be credible,It would have to be somebody on the board!

To sum up Steve,Whether Jim and the board lose money or make money as far as your concerned theyve got it wrong,Could be worse,They could just sit back and let it all go pearshaped when things dont go their way.

I take exception to your suggestion that MNZ is run mostly by volunteers. There are a number of people employed in Huntly PERMANENTLY. If I had staff that were so hopeless that they couldnt flick off a simple E mail within 24 hours, heads would roll.
Perhaps its not their fault & the real problem lies with the managment being obstructive & destructive to them.
It must be kinda hard to be the President of an organisation, when youre banned from entering their offices because you harrased the fuck out of the staff over a prolonged period.
The rest of your post is merely opinion, Ill stick to mine & you are entitled to yours.

scott411

5th May 2011, 10:14

having been through the ringer to get minutes of meetings as well, then had other questions ignored i can relate to Bob's comments, until i started quoting the consitution did we get any action,

6.4.2 The GB shall conduct itself as transparently as possible. Full minutes of the proceedings of each meeting shall be
kept and available to Full members upon request, however, the GB shall decline to make publicly available any
commercially sensitive material or material that affects the privacy of a particular individual, including employment
matters unless authorised to do so in writing by all affected parties. The GB may, at its sole discretion, authorise the
minutes, or any parts thereof, to be published on the MNZ website

i think the minutes of all board meetings should be posted on the website, (which needs to stop trying to be a news site as well) with sensitive and employment issues edited out, i also think any dicipline action should be posted on there as well, (it is on Motorsport NZ and Speedway NZ websites)

Billy

5th May 2011, 10:52

I take exception to your suggestion that MNZ is run mostly by volunteers. There are a number of people employed in Huntly PERMANENTLY. If I had staff that were so hopeless that they couldnt flick off a simple E mail within 24 hours, heads would roll.
Perhaps its not their fault & the real problem lies with the managment being obstructive & destructive to them.
It must be kinda hard to be the President of an organisation, when youre banned from entering their offices because you harrased the fuck out of the staff over a prolonged period.

Four paid staff members run the office,4 got it,Their tasks include the issuing of licences for 5500 members,permits as well as the day to day tasks involved with running the sport and office,That includes the requests and complaints from 5500 members.Some of the requests made of them are unable to be answered or decisions made with out consulting board or commission members,Heres a scenario for you Steve,1000 members contact them all on one day,Thats less than 25% of the total and say 25 of those queries need to be discussed at board level or consultation with a commission member is required,Is it still reasonable to expect an answer to everybodys request within 24 hours????Need me to answer that for you?

Regarding the current President being barred from the offices,You mean when he pestered the staff members for the very same information you mentioned above that Scrivy requested and was supplied as you state after 7 weeks,The then CEO took exception too his requests and ordered Jim deal with him and him only???

Oh and just for the record that was 2 years ago and since Jim has taken over he has had an amicable relationship with the office staff and will continue to do so as long as hes President.

Banned from entering the offices indeed,Get your facts straight Steve.All your ramblings just reinforce the fact you guys clearly have NO insight into the running of the organisation at all or the enormity of the job that is MNZ President!!!

sidecar bob

5th May 2011, 11:02

Four paid staff members run the office,4 got it,Their tasks include the issuing of licences for 5500 members,permits as well as the day to day tasks involved with running the sport and office,That includes the requests and complaints from 5500 members.Some of the requests made of them are unable to be answered or decisions made with out consulting board or commission members,Heres a scenario for you Steve,1000 members contact them all on one day,Thats less than 25% of the total and say 25 of those queries need to be discussed at board level or consultation with a commission member is required,Is it still reasonable to expect an answer to everybodys request within 24 hours????Need me to answer that for you?

Regarding the current President being barred from the offices,You mean when he pestered the staff members for the very same information you mentioned above that Scrivy requested and was supplied as you state after 7 weeks,The then CEO took exception too his requests and ordered Jim deal with him and him only???

Oh and just for the record that was 2 years ago and since Jim has taken over he has had an amicable relationship with the office staff and will continue to do so as long as hes President.

Banned from entering the offices indeed,Get your facts straight Steve.All your ramblings just reinforce the fact you guys clearly have NO insight into the running of the organisation at all or the enormity of the job that is MNZ President!!!

Are you suggesting that every day, 25 percent of members contact MNZ, so that means that by your fantastic imagined scenario,each & every week, 125 percent of members contact them?? That is all members contact them once & 25 percent contact them twice? Whatever Trevor.
If theyre busting their arse & getting nowhere, then its clear where some of the 200k savings should go.
Also, regarding a simple request for minutes. Why would the CEO take exception to such a simple everyday request?
So you are admitting Jim was barred for "pestering" as you so eloquently put it??
Youre kinda contradicting yourself on that one, because in the next breath you say hes all amicable with them, which is it? I already know.

scrivy

5th May 2011, 11:22

So you are admitting Jim was barred for "pestering" as you so eloquently put it??

Pestering??? LMFAO!!!! How is over 70 harrassing e-mails and texts (not to mention phonecalls) to MNZ members pestering??

Thats down right harrasment and personal attacking!

.....and that is why Pav had to be 'paid out', as Jim stuffed up his dismissal, and Pav could have wiped Jim's arse with the law suit.
Good old Jim. That was his agenda for getting into MNZ.

Its funny really, everybody thinks that just because you're in MNZ that you have to act this way.
If Chris gets in, you'll find that people will be spoken to politely, respectfully and with integrity. Things will move forward positively.

I guess that's why Billy and co on here are so opposed to Chris, as they think that he will do to them as Jim did to his detractors. This is far from the truth.

Scrivy

Billy

5th May 2011, 11:26

Are you suggesting that every day, 25 percent of members contact MNZ, so that means that by your fantastic imagined scenario,each & every week, 125 percent of members contact them?? That is all members contact them once & 25 percent contact them twice? Whatever Trevor.
If theyre busting their arse & getting nowhere, then its clear where some of the 200k savings should go.
Also, regarding a simple request for minutes. Why would the CEO take exception to such a simple everyday request?
So you are admitting Jim was barred for "pestering" as you so eloquently put it??
Youre kinda contradicting yourself on that one, because in the next breath you say hes all amicable with them, which is it? I already know.

Clearly not Einstein,It was CLEARLY a scenario that could happen.Feel free to prove it hasnt ever occured!

Maybe the CEO was trying to hide something,I have no idea youd need to talk to him on that subject!

Absolutely nowhere did I say Jim was barred,That was your insinuation not mine,I stated he was instructed to make all his requests directly to the CEO,You twist it however you want,NO CONTRADICTION here sorry

Billy

5th May 2011, 11:58

Pestering??? LMFAO!!!! How is over 70 harrassing e-mails and texts (not to mention phonecalls) to MNZ members pestering??

Scrivy

Scrivy spent seven weeks & countless E mails & phn calls waiting for minutes of meetings,

And the difference is??????Oh yeah Jim didnt try to stonewall him!

ROLFLMFAO

denill

5th May 2011, 12:02

i think the minutes of all board meetings should be posted on the website, (which needs to stop trying to be a news site as well) with sensitive and employment issues edited out, i also think any dicipline action should be posted on there as well, (it is on Motorsport NZ and Speedway NZ websites)

IMO there are three topics that are very worthy of being underlined:

1 - i think the minutes of all board meetings should be posted on the website,

2 - (The MNZ website) needs to stop trying to be a news site as well

3 - any dicipline action should be posted on there as well

The point of spending money on a website is to convey information that is relative to and for the benefit of the entity(Commercial or organisation) that commissions the website. The MNZ News is replicated and readily available for those who want it and for that matter an abundance of M/Cycle sport internet news available.

As Scott alluded – MNZ needs to think about what the Website can do for its financial backers. The MNZ membership. They don't need to be entertained - they need to be 'informed'.