Team GPR

[mr bucketracer]

i want to build a cb350 racer , someone on trademe was selling frames and fairing awile back ? who was that , anyone got specs on them frames , tube diametre , wheel base ? thanks

[Grumph]

Twin or four ?

[mr bucketracer]

Twin or four ?a four (-; ....

[Grumph]

They're a porky little thing. Go best when bigger than 350 - but if you're running at register meetings i think you'd be limited to 350. CAMS accept them as pre 72 despite overbores as they were bored in period.
I remember putting up a pic of the '63 works 350 Honda some time back. You could copy that. If you want to make it pre 63 you'd have a fight on your hands I think.

[mr bucketracer]

They're a porky little thing. Go best when bigger than 350 - but if you're running at register meetings i think you'd be limited to 350. CAMS accept them as pre 72 despite overbores as they were bored in period.
I remember putting up a pic of the '63 works 350 Honda some time back. You could copy that. If you want to make it pre 63 you'd have a fight on your hands I think.i want to run a drum front end

[husaberg]

i want to build a cb350 racer , someone on trademe was selling frames and fairing awile back ? who was that , anyone got specs on them frames , tube diametre , wheel base ? thanks

the dude who is in ivergigle sells CR750 pattern stuff Scott.
looks like he isn't listed on trademe at the moment i think his name was greame?
Grumph knows him.
used to be racelines in CHCH i think

[mr bucketracer]

thanks husky , could not remember what size bike parts he was selling , looking up 750cc stuff is not cheap!

[husaberg]

thanks husky , could not remember what size bike parts he was selling , looking up 750cc stuff is not cheap!

The honda period seats are pretty much the same size and shape as a Bell copy open face helmet like they used to make here in the 70's.
Id bet your father has a few in his shed. They even have the dome fittings for the seat cover
The tank we all know you can make one of those.
the fairings are pretty generic only the hondas had scoops.
You likely have a program on your computer than can morph pictures into 3d images.
Regardless in the husa collection i have plenty of pics of designs of the era.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=329156&d=1488961093
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=5011

[Grumph]

the dude who is in ivergigle sells CR750 pattern stuff Scott.
looks like he isn't listed on trademe at the moment i think his name was greame?
Grumph knows him.
used to be racelines in CHCH i think

That's Dave Morris. Auto and general sheetmetal Invercargill.
Def not ex racelines. Don't know where the racelines moulds went. Racelines principal made a mint from resin beer tap tops...now importing Chinese quads...

As husa says, most of the Honda shapes are generic and easy to copy. Depends just what you want to build as to where you'll run it. If you want something that just looks the part and gets brought out at club days for a laugh, no problem. Have a look at the Register's Classic 70's class and ask around about rule interpretation in it. Pete Sales can fill you in on that, LOL.

[mr bucketracer]

The honda period seats are pretty much the same size and shape as a Bell copy open face helmet like they used to make here in the 70's.
Id bet your father has a few in his shed. They even have the dome fittings for the seat cover
The tank we all know you can make one of those.
the fairings are pretty generic only the hondas had scoops.
You likely have a program on your computer than can morph pictures into 3d images.
Regardless in the husa collection i have plenty of pics of designs of the era.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=329156&d=1488961093
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=5011thanks , im just going to project it onto some paper at full size and trace it , i need a picture of the width of the frame

[mr bucketracer]

That's Dave Morris. Auto and general sheetmetal Invercargill.
Def not ex racelines. Don't know where the racelines moulds went. Racelines principal made a mint from resin beer tap tops...now importing Chinese quads...

As husa says, most of the Honda shapes are generic and easy to copy. Depends just what you want to build as to where you'll run it. If you want something that just looks the part and gets brought out at club days for a laugh, no problem. Have a look at the Register's Classic 70's class and ask around about rule interpretation in it. Pete Sales can fill you in on that, LOL.all i have is a engine , cb350 twin or maybe 305 honda wheels and forks , if i ever finsh it i would like to put 4ls front breaks on it. someones getting me some paper work on the class ( gpr not alowed lol )

[Grumph]

I'm told this is going to be run in CAMS - Drixton 450. All legal for pre 72.
Nice eh.

[Grumph]

If you're going this way as I suspect, the top tubes need to be better than mild steel...

[mr bucketracer]

I'm told this is going to be run in CAMS - Drixton 450. All legal for pre 72.
Nice eh.nice ! is that a 450 black bomber engine

[mr bucketracer]

If you're going this way as I suspect, the top tubes need to be better than mild steel...i can't blow the picture up , this is the shot i need (-;

[Grumph]

i can't blow the picture up , this is the shot i need (-;

That came from Husa's album on the site. There may be a bigger one there or Husa may do magic ?
Yeah, that's a 450 twin. No idea yet of spec but I'll def grill the owner when I see him....

Your frame width you were worrying about will come from the width at the rear mounts and the swingarm pivot. rear shock mounts and the subframe width follow from that. Have you actually done many twinshock frames ? 250mm across the pivot works for a lot of frames. Twinshock arms I often use 1 3/8in OD 2.5mm wall MS. I have a former and can do the slight bend needed. Crosstube in the same. I actually have a press former to do a nice radiused end on the legs prior to slotting them for the axle plates.

[husaberg]

thanks , im just going to project it onto some paper at full size and trace it , i need a picture of the width of the frame

Trace it youre very funny, just tell me which version you like and i will sort out a 3d scaled drawing. or split it into differnt pages or make it A3
or do it to scale you want.
All the tanks are different sizes and widths
if you know anyone into surfing old broken boards have hi densicity cores that can be shaped quite easy glued together but can be still sanded and smoothed
here is about all the pics you will ever need
http://www.holtworks.co.uk/contents/en-uk/p82.html

[mr bucketracer]

Trace it youre very funny, just tell me which version you like and i will sort out a 3d scaled drawing. or split it into differnt pages or make it A3
or do it to scale you want.
All the tanks are different sizes and widths
if you know anyone into surfing old broken boards have hi densicity cores that can be shaped quite easy glued togrther but can be still sanded and smoothed
here is about all the pics you will ever need
http://www.holtworks.co.uk/contents/en-uk/p82.htmlthanks , im just a basic guy that knows no other way

[mr bucketracer]

j ust saving this here http://www.jl-exhausts.com/honda-rc162-quotreplicaquot-parts-558-c.asp

[husaberg]

thanks , im just a basic guy that knows no other way

Scott you are anything but basic.
here is a scalled version that fits the std 350/400/500frames
tell me the length you want and i will scale it to suit.
that frame pic was one from a guy in England that was making quazi replicas with CBR250RR engines.

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the front brake get your bro to CNC a double sided hub and shrink in a iron liner and just mod some brake plates to suit

[Grumph]

If you can find a Suzuki double sided brake, there's a guy down here with patterns to cast up Fontana style backplates to suit that hub. They use the cams from the suzuki plates but he makes up alloy lever arms for the correct look.

[mr bucketracer]

Scott you are anything but basic.
here is a scalled version that fits the std 350/400/500frames
tell me the length you want and i will scale it to suit.
that frame pic was one from a guy in England that was making quazi replicas with CBR250RR engines.

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the front brake get your bro to CNC a double sided hub and shrink in a iron liner and just mod some brake plates to suitthat's cool , want to try get it the original size, I should pinch the old man's cb92 break 😂

[mr bucketracer]

If you can find a Suzuki double sided brake, there's a guy down here with patterns to cast up Fontana style backplates to suit that hub. They use the cams from the suzuki plates but he makes up alloy lever arms for the correct look.I will see what he's got , I know he liked selling bikes with no wheels lol

[husaberg]

that's cool , want to try get it the original size, I should pinch the old man's cb92 break ��
You need to spec what model you want they are all different.
hese two are the most iconic
The 500 RC181
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and the 250/300 six IE RC166
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are probably the best known.

[TALLIS]

I will see what he's got , I know he liked selling bikes with no wheels lol

I was going to ask if you could give me hand to load a bike in the van on the weekend I bought of your old man.... guess what?! No wheels

[husaberg]

I will see what he's got , I know he liked selling bikes with no wheels lol

I have a massive CB77 2ls Rear brake here ,swap ya for a GPR alloy TZ replica tank.
I will throw in a 8 Inch yamaha 2LS front for alloy TZ rep seat.;)
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=326326&d=1479603067https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=326324&d=1479603066
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[mr bucketracer]

I was going to ask if you could give me hand to load a bike in the van on the weekend I bought of your old man.... guess what?! No wheelslol , guess the engine was gone to (-;

[mr bucketracer]

I have a massive CB77 2ls Rear brake here ,swap ya for a GPR alloy TZ replica tank.
I will throw in a 8 Inch yamaha 2LS front for alloy TZ rep seat.;)
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=326326&d=1479603067https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=326324&d=1479603066
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=326323&d=1479603065https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=326322&d=1479603064do you think im that good (-;

[husaberg]

do you think im that good (-;

Yes, If we can keep you away from the shine.:laugh:

[mr bucketracer]

Yes, If we can keep you away from the shine.:laugh:what about the moon lol:innocent:

[TALLIS]

Just pulled the head off and found this, has anyone seen a piston like this before? Bore is scored and looks like the ring has picked up, still can see some coding on the piston.

[TALLIS]

Oh, I see now why I got a 250 2t. Cheap pistons:yes:

[mr bucketracer]

at least you can drink them when finshed lol:laugh:

[Grumph]

Oh, I see now why I got a 250 2t. Cheap pistons:yes:

Could'a been worse. I know a guy found wooden pistons in a bike he bought. Just enough compression to give hope - and no rattling conrods....

[marsheng]

I see the problem. Should be a Coke piston. Don't you know that 'things go better with Coke'

An old slogan, probably before your time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS45M-EhjLM

or Roy Orbison version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqJyqjkKDW0

Otis Redding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PC1W5AMi-I

All three of these can't be wrong !!!

[Bert]

What's new at GPR?

How's the Honda coming along?

[mr bucketracer]

What's new at GPR?

How's the Honda coming along?I need a 1 inch tube bender to start anything new dam it

[Grumph]

I need a 1 inch tube bender to start anything new dam it

Pity you're not closer - you've got TIG, I've got a bender.....

[mr bucketracer]

Pity you're not closer - you've got TIG, I've got a bender.....thats make lots of money (-;

[Bert]

I need a 1 inch tube bender to start anything new dam it

I'm guessing my hydraulic one isn't useful?

Maybe something like this?
https://www.topmaq.co.nz/shop/hydraulic-equipment/benders/tlp-6-22mm-manual-pipe-bender/


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hand-pipe-bender-SWG-25/32250249005.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.6.7205c dd0O2gUWg&traffic_analysisId=recommend_3035_null_null_null&scm=1007.13338.80878.000000000000000&pvid=e49124c0-3ef3-4b2d-a896-fa26eaa36990&tpp=1

[mr bucketracer]

I'm guessing my hydraulic one isn't useful?

Maybe something like this?
https://www.topmaq.co.nz/shop/hydraulic-equipment/benders/tlp-6-22mm-manual-pipe-bender/


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hand-pipe-bender-SWG-25/32250249005.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.6.7205c dd0O2gUWg&traffic_analysisId=recommend_3035_null_null_null&scm=1007.13338.80878.000000000000000&pvid=e49124c0-3ef3-4b2d-a896-fa26eaa36990&tpp=1don't know why they call it a pipe bender when its for tube , they look good but first one says for 1mm and 22mm former max , the other 2mm which should do

[husaberg]

don't know why they call it a pipe bender when its for tube , they look good but first one says for 1mm and 22mm former max , the other 2mm which should do
traditional pipe benders and capascity are generally for Thick walled pipe. You use thin wall stuff.
http://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/Product/SCA-Pipe-Bender-12000kg/214468
https://www.trademe.co.nz/business-farming-industry/industrial/manufacturing-metalwork/presses/auction-1441880697.htm
You could just visit the local muffler shop or cowshed builder they will have 3 axis mandrel benders.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYjH-9Y64to


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtFK8nncpyE

cool rod /plate bender

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzBn921Vfig
cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbqaH1kDztk

[mr bucketracer]

traditional pipe benders and capascity are generally for Thick walled pipe. You use thin wall stuff.
You could just visit the local muffler shop or cowshed builder they will have 3 axis mandrel benders.the muffler shops just make a mess , i don't know what there realy selling

[husaberg]

even cooler one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaIqlG1vHs8
some other versions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI7gE3546Pg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdUSdbWJoPs

tube bender vs pipe bender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWiXTr-6N4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1zs3WExdog

[Grumph]

the muffler shops just make a mess , i don't know what there realy selling

There was a guy in Nelson doing Featherbed Norton replicas who simply rang up Autobend in ChCh and ordered up a 'kitset' of bent tubes he'd already sorted with them...Autobend are one of the few in NZ doing really good mandrel bent stuff in a good range of sizes. I've used them occasionally. Not that cheap but good.

Can't see all the stuff Husa has posted - but the simple bender from Aliexpress is quite similar to what I've got. The only caveats I'd make is that we don't have metric tube in NZ - it's all still inch. And the ability to do 1 1/8 too is bloody useful as inch is really too small for most of the "classic" frames.

If you do get something like that I can see someone's CNC being used to make formers for bigger tube. And mount it on a decent piece of RHS about 100x100 bolted to the floor and about waist height.

[Bert]

don't know why they call it a pipe bender when its for tube , they look good but first one says for 1mm and 22mm former max , the other 2mm which should do

https://youtu.be/ZxGLuy2SJ2s
Get your bro to make you one of these.

[husaberg]

https://youtu.be/ZxGLuy2SJ2s
Get your bro to make you one of these.
one i posted earlier is just a big scale one of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeEI9ha9aJI

your one is one of these in this video you can seebetter how its made

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEKE9AOdXO4
Just is pretty much a simplier version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjybH5jJqTY

[lodgernz]

Scott, did you see you got some recognition for the IMD250 frame you built.
Not from the good doctor, but from interviewer Spyda.

[mr bucketracer]

Scott, did you see you got some recognition for the IMD250 frame you built.
Not from the good doctor, but from interviewer Spyda.yes , just turned the computer on and yes he was saying some nice stuff (-; regan first but soon changed that lol , yer dont know why the doctor never brings it up , must not like me

[mr bucketracer]

Iv been working on getting some of my older buckets going in the last 2 weeks345318345319345320345321

[mr bucketracer]

Iv been working on getting some of my older buckets going in the last 2 weeks345318345319345320345321we have the ziffle Chris smith bike . The rd50 .maybe someone knows who owned or rode it in the day . Speed pro? .the 1999 50cc rg50 gp winner and the land speed holder Pete sales bike

[mr bucketracer]

F5 Dave may know how raced it . It had kind of mx type bars on it then , witch if I could find , I would put back on it

[F5 Dave]

The RD 50 Tim owned, but Darrin raced it, so did Paul McQuilkin (spelling) saw them all Darrins birthday a year ago now.

[mr bucketracer]

The RD 50 Tim owned, but Darrin raced it, so did Paul McQuilkin (spelling) saw them all Darrins birthday a year ago now.Paul Mcquikin rings a bell with what pete said but did not know the rest rode it .cheers for that

[TZ350]

Iv been working on getting some of my older buckets going in the last 2 weeks

Great to see these really interesting bikes that have a bit history being dusted off and maybe running again........ :2thumbsup

[mr bucketracer]

Great to see these really interesting bikes that have a bit history being dusted off and maybe running again........ :2thumbsupall 3 50s are running but the ziffle bike is testing me . Got blisters on my hand trying to start it. I need go find a source of good 18inch tires

[diesel pig]

all 3 50s are running but the ziffle bike is testing me . Got blisters on my hand trying to start it. I need go find a source of good 18inch tires

Bridgestone Battlax BT-39SS, 2.50-18 M/C 45L W for Front and Rear fittment would be a good tyre to look at and they do a narrow 17" BT-39SS front and rear that could suit the RG50 as well.

[mr bucketracer]

Bridgestone Battlax BT-39SS, 2.50-18 M/C 45L W for Front and Rear fittment would be a good tyre to look at and they do a narrow 17" BT-39SS front and rear that could suit the RG50 as well.must look them up

[mr bucketracer]

Welcome brent

[mr bucketracer]

346304next level 4 stroke starts here. Down drafted honda cbr150 head

[goose8]

Looks really good Scott , can’t wait to see it go.

[mr bucketracer]

Looks really good Scott , can’t wait to see it go.bet you can't (-:

[F5 Dave]

When is someone going to bandsaw an R6?

[rustys]

I'm told this is going to be run in CAMS - Drixton 450. All legal for pre 72.
Nice eh.

That was racing at the Last Mike pero Southern Classic, lovely bike, lot of money spent on it.

[husaberg]

bet you can't (-:

YOSHI or ripoff?

[Bonez]

we have the ziffle Chris smith bike . The rd50 .maybe someone knows who owned or rode it in the day . Speed pro? .the 1999 50cc rg50 gp winner and the land speed holder Pete sales bikeZiffle doesn't like being called or referred to as Ziffle these days......

[mr bucketracer]

Ziffle doesn't like being called or referred to as Ziffle these days......how did the name come about?

[mr bucketracer]

YOSHI or ripoff?now way I would pay what a yoshi ones worth

[husaberg]

now way I would pay what a yoshi ones worth

So what the quality like?, also same jets etc as the PWK knock off's

[mr bucketracer]

It's real good . The high end of cheap carbs I put it

[mr bucketracer]

Not button jets . Long hex type

[husaberg]

Not button jets . Long hex type

like a mikuni intersting?
measure the length of the needles and compare the slide to a PWK next time you have it in pieces would ya

[mr bucketracer]

like a mikuni intersting?
measure the length of the needles and compare the slide to a PWK next time you have it in pieces would yawill do . The slide looks just like a pwk

[lodgernz]

Not like Mikuni, despite the name "Maikuni". Inside it's just another OKO/PWK copy. Good quality though.

[mr bucketracer]

Ziffle doesn't like being called or referred to as Ziffle these days......sounds like the name of a pub pig to me ..lol

[husaberg]

sounds like the name of a pub pig to me ..lol

Hey Scott while you have that GPhundred apart compare the gearbox shaft spacing to the supply of FXR boxs you likely have as well seem to be the similar shaft spacing

[mr bucketracer]

Hey Scott while you have that GPhundred apart compare the gearbox shaft spacing to the supply of FXR boxs you likely have as well seem to be the similar shaft spacingok will do

[husaberg]

ok will do

Then whip me up a TZ350 tank would ya
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[mr bucketracer]

Then whip me up a TZ350 tank would ya
346444346445does not look to hard . Show me the rest of the bike

[husaberg]

does not look to hard . Show me the rest of the bike

You have a great sense of Humour:laugh:
i actually have al the main parts now forks rims hubs frame RD350LC cylinders dash Discs calipers just need RD400 crank and a million odds and sods parts.
Tank and seat is the only other major part other than the 2g that the engine will cost to rebuild it properly. the seat is easy i dont have the skills for the tank i started to do the buck but then had the accident where i snapped my Humerus and fractured L1 and 2
Boiler got replaced this year and had to buy cattle and a heap of baleage plus ute 1/2 and new bike 1/2 finance for mr 16 so cattle money which is my bike money has come up short.
I actually did a list of parts, its pretty short.
its on half rego now. So its a toss up what to do first that or the BSA A10 in the Short chassis.
Boy is old enough to road race now as well so i guess the bucket might need doing as well.

[F5 Dave]

Ignitech 50. Hey what you were saying in the pits yesterday, Chris' mate had taken the flywheel off the 50 and was having some trouble working out how to time it, so be aware that it likely isn't right.

[mr bucketracer]

Ignitech 50. Hey what you were saying in the pits yesterday, Chris' mate had taken the flywheel off the 50 and was having some trouble working out how to time it, so be aware that it likely isn't right.we have changed it to non charging now but yer you are prombly right as could not pull the skin of a rice pudding when we got it

[mr bucketracer]

You have a great sense of Humour:laugh:
i actually have al the main parts now forks rims hubs frame RD350LC cylinders dash Discs calipers just need RD400 crank and a million odds and sods parts.
Tank and seat is the only other major part other than the 2g that the engine will cost to rebuild it properly. the seat is easy i dont have the skills for the tank i started to do the buck but then had the accident where i snapped my Humerus and fractured L1 and 2
Boiler got replaced this year and had to buy cattle and a heap of baleage plus ute 1/2 and new bike 1/2 finance for mr 16 so cattle money which is my bike money has come up short.
I actually did a list of parts, its pretty short.
its on half rego now. So its a toss up what to do first that or the BSA A10 in the Short chassis.
Boy is old enough to road race now as well so i guess the bucket might need doing as well.why not leave as a 350 ?

[husaberg]

why not leave as a 350 ?

I could,but it costs the same to rebuild a 400 crank as it does to rebuild a 250/350 crank.
The 400 crank can be made to fit the 350 cases with a bit of a trench and a spacer.
A guy here has one i just need to convince them to part with it.
I already have the 400 spec gear box with the better ratios.

[TZ350]

.
For a 350 there is quite an advantage to fit a 350 crank into the more cavernous 400 case and use the longer 400 rods when rebuilding the crank to get as much crankcase volume as possible.

[F5 Dave]

we have changed it to non charging now but yer you are prombly right as could not pull the skin of a rice pudding when we got it
Really? That CR250 stator was a real push and go with enough power to run a pump if required. I'd buy it back if I was reentering the market.

[husaberg]

.
For a 350 there is quite an advantage to fit a 350 crank into the more cavernous 400 case and use the longer 400 rods when rebuilding the crank to get as much crankcase volume as possible.

I was thinking of using KTM200 rods i know the 400 cases are better, but 400 cases are pretty rare beasts theses days.


C-C little end width C pin C pin length
KTM200 118.00 16/20 16.00 22 55.00
RD250 110.00 16/20 16.00 22 51.00
RD400 115.00 16/20 16.00 22 51.00

but besides being taller are the cases that much bigger on the 400?
i know it can be done with 350 cases as that is what mark atkinson did on the road bike he has.
Arround 6 minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfXNADcoMTs



Its not going to be the ultimate RD400, just the best that is available freely for beer money
Or i Scotts case hopefully high grade Moonshine....
Using the RD350LC cylinders and RD cases instead of RZ gear limits it somewhat, but they look cool.
I always loved the look of TZ A and B's more than the latter stuff. at least until the F an G's
so its a bit of a mix resto mod with the best parts of the looks i wanted.
twin shock early tank and seat but front a rear single discs with 320mm disc 4 pot and big forks.
As a kid i was to old for the RD air cooled phase but i always wanted a RD400.
If some 400 cases turn up i will buy some but i am not going to wreak a good 400 motor to build a bitza, that will likely never be finished off.
Its taken 2 year to find the mudguard i wanted, so it looked TZ with the cutouts but to fit a wide 17 inch rim but was top mount for the TZR forks the TZr forks took about 3 years to find.
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All the TZ ones the right shape are side mounted i wanted it to look like a classic cut out TZ shape like a RD350LC guard only in 17 inch. This was a defining feature dating back pre TZ lat lasted for about 20 years.
it was the coolest bit on a LC, the rest looked kind of strange which is what happens when they put a pom in charge.
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i actually enjoy finding the stuff.

[TZ350]

.
Yes the 400 crank wheels are a significantly larger diameter than 350 so the 400 cases have more volume with the 350 crank fitted.

[mr bucketracer]

Are you building for a dyno war or to have some fun and get it looking cool . That's how I look at it

[husaberg]

Are you building for a dyno war or to have some fun and get it looking cool . That's how I look at it
Its all about it looking cool, in a TZ racer kind of way. with is also functional, rather than a hardley like chopper.
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if i wanted to win a dyno war i wouldn't choose a RD

The 400's are far more torquey and better on the road then the AC-350's, its not so much in HP but heaps in ride-ability.
i will confess I have actually never ridden a LC350, but the LC250's came in with a bang compared to a AC250 when i was a spotty 16 year old so would expect the same from the 350.
Adding in 8mm of stroke should mellow it out like it did with the RD400 for not much cash.
not only that if gives me the option to use the DT/IT/Blaster pistons which have a lower gudgeon and more overbores as the cylinders are already +1mm
Also if i steal the only non rusted crank i have out of the complete bike i will have a cafe racer and a complete RD350 with a missing crank :)
But mainly like i said, to rebuild either is the same cost. i haven't asked Grump what the CHCH dude charges to do a twin crank but i would wager i are not going to get change out a grand
All of them will need to have the crank done be it 250 350 0r 400.
i certainly dont have the gear to do a twin crank.

[mr bucketracer]

Really? That CR250 stator was a real push and go with enough power to run a pump if required. I'd buy it back if I was reentering the market.how meany volts does it push out? Would it be ok for a fuel injection pump?

[F5 Dave]

About 14 using the regulator fitted to it when I sold it.

On my 100 it powered the ignitech and a reasonable water pump and you could rev it through the gears on the dyno with a meter over the capacitor and it would not drop from there.

Must use a capacitor on output. I did put battery leads on as well so you could plug in a battery so could talk to ignitech when not running.

Without the battery it would push start immediately. They are a great stator and used to be cheap on Ebay but those days are gone. There were some CR125 rotors that were only 4 pole.

[mr bucketracer]

About 14 using the regulator fitted to it when I sold it.

On my 100 it powered the ignitech and a reasonable water pump and you could rev it through the gears on the dyno with a meter over the capacitor and it would not drop from there.

Must use a capacitor on output. I did put battery leads on as well so you could plug in a battery so could talk to ignitech when not running.

Without the battery it would push start immediately. They are a great stator and used to be cheap on Ebay but those days are gone. There were some CR125 rotors that were only 4 pole.cool think it may work . Thanks for that . Thinking a 95 onwards rs125 maybe good to

[husaberg]

i am pretty sure the Ktm 125 -300 stator use the same Kokistan with 25 watts on various models.

2k1 you see on the SX models
2k2 you see on the MXC models
2k3 you see on the EXC models
they are the same make and are the same size so i am guessing they are the same stators only different outputs for different uses
http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/08-cr125-with-ktm-125-lighting-stator-howd-ya-do-that.2755/
you can get aftermarket lighting coild for them pretty cheap as the KTm are current bikes

[mr bucketracer]

Building a er6 race bike and want a light flywheel to run the injection pump

[husaberg]

i found a post where dave said his CR one was 40 Watts


Heaps of aftermarket on eBay. 50w upgrade too
Yeah Ricky stator rings a bell. My std 40W runs igni, water pump and a few other things and never drops in voltage in all gears run.

or you could do What Rob at ESE does


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How to make a decent light weight racing 12 Volt generator stator for the Suzuki GP/TF/TS RG50 from a Lifan after market magneto kit. We have spun these to 14,000 rpm plus on the dyno and they have proved reliable on the track.

The Lifan back plate and modified flywheel fits perfectly into the Suzuki GP/TF/TS and RG50 cases.

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Basically the conversion involves transferring the center from a Suzuki flywheel to the Lifan.

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Chambers starts by spinning the heads of the rivets off of the Suzuki flywheel. He then punches out the rivets of the Suzuki fly wheel to free the Suzuki's center boss.

He then bores the Lifan boss out to suit the Suzuki boss, a close fit is required here, basically size for size, with minimal clearance. And then he spins the heads of the rivets off the Lifan flywheel.

The next move is to orientate the Suzuki boss and Lifan flywheel so that there is an appropriate gap between the heal of the trigger tooth and trigger coil at TDC, usually 20 deg.

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The last move is to secure the Suzuki boss to the remains of the original Lifan boss left inside the Lifan flywheel. Chambers drills and taps through the Lifan flywheel and the remains of the original Lifan hub and rivet's. If a rivet turns, he gives it a little touch with the TIG, just a small tack weld is all that is needed to hold a loose rivet while it is drilled and tapped.

We cut the two Lifan high Voltage winding's off and re wind the three empty stater polls for extra 12 Volt current capacity. Although you can get away with using just the three original 12 Volt coils for powering an Ignitec but if you want a water pump too then you need to rewind the empty three polls.

Use a Lifan voltage rectifier/regulator and a 36V 2200uF capacitor for powering an Ignitec CDI ignition. If you do try winding on extra coils remember they are wound in alternating directions, ie; the first clockwise the second anti clockwise, the clockwise again and so on around the stater.

We use the Lifan stater assembly to power our Ignitec ignitions. We have not tried it but you may get away with using the complete Lifan racing ignition package and CDI. The Lifan CDI is probably better for engines that don't rev much past 10k or so.

[mr bucketracer]

346598been building a er650 racebike

[mr bucketracer]

346626getting there

[TZ350]

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Looking Good......:2thumbsup

[mr bucketracer]

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Looking Good......:2thumbsupthanks . Trying for 100hp and around 120kgs

[mr bucketracer]

346670just about finished restoring this Auto cycle 98cc .we think it could be a ex postie bike. A rudge seem to look the closest to it but meany makes were made for lots of companys. So who made them ?

[F5 Dave]

So can you fit the dirty great chamber on it?

[husaberg]

346670just about finished restoring this Auto cycle 98cc .we think it could be a ex postie bike. A rudge seem to look the closest to it but meany makes were made for lots of companys. So who made them ?

had a feeling they were Excesior

https://nationalmotorcyclemuseum.com.au/gallery/british/images/Excelsior-1948-Autobike-Ika-471.jpg
i thought autocycle refered to the engine
Yowling posted a pic of the Angloitailian one he had that was from memory designed by Vincent Piatti
that was whell driven clip on cyclemotor
that engine i assume is villiers by the flywheel they would have sold the engine to whoever wanted to build them.

have a look through here
https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/tour/cyclemotors-motorcycles/

but then again here is a Norman nippy which looks bang on that shape of the bottom of the tank is the same but i am only looking at a few pictures for a second.
346671 the forks and the wheel and maybe the as well as the frames wheels or hubs and even guards could be proprietary components much like mikuni and keihin delorto carbs brembo nissan calipers and showa mazacooci KYB forks

[mr bucketracer]

There are so meany combos to this bike . The frame prombly stays mostly the same . But yet. Forks, stands,seat stands,tank ,etc change on these bikes .some company pumped these bikes out

[mr bucketracer]

So can you fit the dirty great chamber on it?lol ......

[husaberg]

There are so meany combos to this bike . The frame prombly stays mostly the same . But yet. Forks, stands,seat stands,tank ,etc change on these bikes .some company pumped these bikes out
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[mr bucketracer]

Apart from the seat that one is bang on
Just dont like the name norman lol

[husaberg]

Apart from the seat that one is bang on
Just dont like the name norman lol

Get a name and sticker made up as a Griffith S
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then be amazed as all the oldies come up and tell you they had 1950 Griffiths just like that.

[mr bucketracer]

You forgot the s on the end (-;
It had this badge that went on the tank of the bike. The postie guy thinks it maybe a run number and name of the guy or second name. 346687

[mr bucketracer]

thanks . Trying for 100hp and around 120kgsjust over 100 hp and 122kg bike without fairings . Fairing weight 6kgs with no paint. Getting there

[mr bucketracer]

just over 100 hp and 122kg bike without fairings . Fairing weight 6kgs with no paint. Getting there347785dyno 101