FOR SALE - Drew and Alan's sidecar build

[Drew]

Making good progress on the chair still.

New deck ply is shaped and ready for bolts and rubber matt.

Chassis brace/frame around the motor is sorted. Unfortunately it means the new handle bars we put on wont work, so those are gone and we'll rock it 'sit up and beg' styles. (Works for a couple homos on the 1800 powered thing).

We've found some other stuff that needed attention, like the rear shock mount being so far out of line, it would have bent at full compression, (if it's not already). So Al remade the top mount properly.

We've been having some animated conversations about the front suspension too. I thought we could get away with a modern rear shock from practically anything, but Al reckoned single shock would twist the swing arm. So we discussed it with his very clever boss, who made an off the cuff remark, which led to some rather outside the box thinking by all, and a very different and new idea to solve it. Might post some pics when we've done it and got it back in, or maybe you can all just keep guessing till we get it to a meeting.

The front end is gonna be something very different to anything I've seen, and I'm pretty bloody excited about it.

Al goes back to work next week so we can get the oil pick up in, and the motor in it's home. Once that's sussed, we can start work on the auxiliary oil system thingy.

[scracha]

Making good progress on the chair still.

....<----- SNIP WEEDY SIDECAR SHITE ----->....

Al goes back to work next week so we can get the oil pick up in, and the motor in it's home. Once that's sussed, we can start work on the auxiliary oil system thingy.

Hurry up and finish so you can work on a real motorbicycle would ya.

[scrivy]

(Works for a couple homos on the 1800 powered thing).
If you're gunna state facts - at least state the truth.... it's a 1960cc BIG CC Racing engine, hidden Nitrous, and dry sumped combustion chambers, with intercooled handlebars.

So we discussed it with his very clever boss, who made an off the cuff remark, that we were homos, which led to some rather outside the box thinking by all, like bukkake, and a very different and new idea to solve it. Might post some pics when we've done it and got it back in, or maybe you can all just keep guessing till we get it to a meeting.
Bungy cords????
The front end is gonna be something very different to anything I've seen, and I'm pretty bloody excited about it.

Changed your undies, or not that excited??

[Drew]

Changed your undies, or not that excited??

Not that excited.

Bungies are about as good as what most short side cars in this country are running.

[Fast Eddie]

I was just gonna go hard tail..

[Weaver]

I was just gonna go hard tail..

Just let the sidewall do all the work eh?

[scrivy]

Not that excited.

Bungies are about as good as what most short side cars in this country are running.

Might have pulled my away from the container..........:rolleyes:

[Drew]

Might have pulled my away from the container..........:rolleyes:

Whip one off and lasoo a passing lamp post with one ya reckon?

[scrivy]

Whip one off and lasoo a passing lamp post with one ya reckon?

Absolutely!
Or hook around some hot chick in the crowd.......

Or even use as extra padding when you see a cont...........:bleh:

[Weaver]

New shocks. K8 thou and '99 R1.

[Fast Eddie]

New shocks. K8 thou and '99 R1.

What? no Ohlins?

I noticed a couple short bikes at round 1 and 2 were running ohlins all round.. flash c*nts

Think I got dirt bike shocks on my bike.. prob from the 80's

[scrivy]

Think I got dirt bike shocks on my bike.. prob from the 80's

Thought they were door struts from a 747.......... :rolleyes::bleh:

[Fast Eddie]

Thought they were door struts from a 747.......... :rolleyes::bleh:

haha, you'd think boeing would use something better than whats on my bike :D

although their new dreamliners seem to catch fire left right and center

[Weaver]

Just removed the swing arm and the bearings are seized up and covered in blue paint. The frame is black so god knows how long they've been in there.

[Fast Eddie]

Just removed the swing arm and the bearings are seized up and covered in blue paint. The frame is black so god knows how long they've been in there.

oh yea? same people who owned ur bike must have owned my bike too.. Who ever painted the frame last decided to not remove anything.. so shocks have white overspray, all the loom, the wheels and tyres, springs.. reservoirs.. everthing has a dusting of white lol.

I should prob take the 2 swingarms off and check they are moving as free as they should (steering wasn't aye scriv!)

fuckn bikes.. better off just ordering a 2013 tub off my boy Louis C

[Weaver]

I should prob take the 2 swingarms off and check they are moving as free as they should


I'd recommend replacing parts in those area's not just checking. Then there is no doubt about them and they can be ruled out as potential trouble makers.

[scrivy]

oh yea? same people who owned ur bike must have owned my bike too.. Who ever painted the frame last decided to not remove anything.. so shocks have white overspray, all the loom, the wheels and tyres, springs.. reservoirs.. everthing has a dusting of white lol.
Sounds like a normal South Island maintenance schedule.....:bleh:

I should prob take the 2 swingarms off and check they are moving as free as they should (steering wasn't aye scriv!)
Free???? If it was welded up it would've moved better!!

fuckn bikes.. better off just ordering a 2013 tub off my boy Louis C

You gunna walk the tub around? Whabout shocks, wheels, engine, tyres, wiring, tacho, coolers.............

[Fast Eddie]

You gunna walk the tub around? Whabout shocks, wheels, engine, tyres, wiring, tacho, coolers.............

still be quicker than I am now I recon..

I'll pinch the rest of the bits off Annans bike since he hasn't looked at it in a decade he won't notice couple bits missing

[Fast Eddie]

I'd recommend replacing parts in those area's not just checking. Then there is no doubt about them and they can be ruled out as potential trouble makers.

yea.. see how we go.

already spent near a couple k on the bike with nothing to show for it apart from it being yellow lol.. dunno if its better just to save money and buy something a bit newer and lighter. (didn't help crashing it though)

will decide later. For now we just strip clean and reassemble what we got providing the part still looks OK and isn't actually fucked

[scrivy]

yea.. see how we go.

already spent near a couple k on the bike with nothing to show for it apart from it being yellow lol.. dunno if its better just to save money and buy something a bit newer and lighter. (didn't help crashing it though)

will decide later. For now we just strip clean and reassemble what we got providing the part still looks OK and isn't actually fucked

Kai, you've got an alright bike there. Just totally strip it down. Replace the worn bits (as you've already started to), re-visit the brake bias, master cylinders, shocks, and replace the complete wiring system. All of that is fuck all money. If it were me, I'd sandblast the bitch, and paint it all nice again. You'll see any nasty shit straight away, and you can take some action. You'll also get to know your machine better. And you can remove stuff that isn't being used. You can also replace the parts with COMMON items, not 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, 8mm bolts in all places - standardise the fucken thing!

Just to let you know. If that bike was brought up to scratch like in its heyday, it too would be doing 1:43's around Ruapuna. You'd be as fast as anyone down south on it.
Seriously.

[scrivy]

already spent near a couple k on the bike with nothing to show for it

I spent more than twice that much for this season, and have NOTHING to show for it too. Don't get put off. Good things take time........ Out of the ashes........

[nodrog]

Did somebody order a whambulance?

[Kickaha]

I should prob take the 2 swingarms off and check they are moving as free as they should
No probably about it, you'd be stupid not to, give Graeme a yell and he can give you some guidance


Kai, you've got an alright bike there. Just totally strip it down. Replace the worn bits (as you've already started to), re-visit the brake bias, master cylinders, shocks, and replace the complete wiring system. All of that is fuck all money. If it were me, I'd sandblast the bitch, and paint it all nice again. You'll see any nasty shit straight away, and you can take some action. You'll also get to know your machine better. And you can remove stuff that isn't being used. You can also replace the parts with COMMON items, not 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, 8mm bolts in all places - standardise the fucken thing!

Just to let you know. If that bike was brought up to scratch like in its heyday, it too would be doing 1:43's around Ruapuna. You'd be as fast as anyone down south on it.
Seriously.

What dickhead said, dont get to caught up in getting something better when you have the basis for a good bike already

[scrivy]

What dickhead said, "dont get to caught up in getting something better when you have the basis for a good bike already"

I don't know. What dickhead said, "dont get to caught up in getting something better when you have the basis for a good bike already"??

Give me a clue.

[Fast Eddie]

Kai, you've got an alright bike there. Just totally strip it down. Replace the worn bits (as you've already started to), re-visit the brake bias, master cylinders, shocks, and replace the complete wiring system. All of that is fuck all money. If it were me, I'd sandblast the bitch, and paint it all nice again. You'll see any nasty shit straight away, and you can take some action. You'll also get to know your machine better. And you can remove stuff that isn't being used. You can also replace the parts with COMMON items, not 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, 8mm bolts in all places - standardise the fucken thing!

Just to let you know. If that bike was brought up to scratch like in its heyday, it too would be doing 1:43's around Ruapuna. You'd be as fast as anyone down south on it.
Seriously.

chur bro, nah wouldn't sell it anyway.. will put the work in eventually

[Fast Eddie]

No probably about it, you'd be stupid not to, give Graeme a yell and he can give you some guidance
pass... he's starting to piss me off trying to sell Phil and I his black bike all the time.. I've already got one ffs


I spent more than twice that much for this season, and have NOTHING to show for it too.
you've got a nice bend in your bike :) its artistic..

[Kickaha]

pass... he's starting to piss me off trying to sell Phil and I his black bike all the time.. I've already got one ffs.
Sorted AGIP bike would beat that one anyway, with a bit of luck it'll toast his new one too

I don't know. What dickhead said, "dont get to caught up in getting something better when you have the basis for a good bike already"??

Give me a clue.

The clue is there was no fucking question mark, it was a statement

[Fast Eddie]

Sorted AGIP bike would beat that one anyway, with a bit of luck it'll toast his new one too.
haha mint :D

[Grumph]

Kai, you've got an alright bike there. Just totally strip it down. Replace the worn bits (as you've already started to), re-visit the brake bias, master cylinders, shocks, and replace the complete wiring system. All of that is fuck all money. If it were me, I'd sandblast the bitch, and paint it all nice again. You'll see any nasty shit straight away, and you can take some action. You'll also get to know your machine better. And you can remove stuff that isn't being used. You can also replace the parts with COMMON items, not 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, 8mm bolts in all places - standardise the fucken thing!

Just to let you know. If that bike was brought up to scratch like in its heyday, it too would be doing 1:43's around Ruapuna. You'd be as fast as anyone down south on it.
Seriously.

You forgot the UNF and whitworth shit that creeps in....

That thing had a pretty good donk in it too in it's heyday - no reason it can't go that well again. From what I've seen of it a freshen up - just a valve grind,shims, a deglaze and some gaskets plus a carb synch would make quite a difference.

[scrivy]

You forgot the UNF and whitworth shit that creeps in....
Oh shit yeah!!! It's like a mad womans shit - all over the place ain't it!

That thing had a pretty good donk in it too in it's heyday - no reason it can't go that well again. From what I've seen of it a freshen up - just a valve grind,shims, a deglaze and some gaskets plus a carb synch would make quite a difference.

Also a new cam chain would reduce about 75% of the top end noise.....

[Fast Eddie]

That thing had a pretty good donk in it too in it's heyday - no reason it can't go that well again. From what I've seen of it a freshen up - just a valve grind,shims, a deglaze and some gaskets plus a carb synch would make quite a difference.

yea, as far as I know now its just a standard yzf thunderace motor which is the same as the fzr1000 I think. I have a complete spare fzr1000 as well as various cylinders,gearbox, cyl heads.. hope to build a complete second spare motor too.. then can really thrash it at the track ;)

will get onto it. couple weeks off to recharge the bank acc..

[Fast Eddie]

Also a new cam chain would reduce about 75% of the top end noise.....

oh is that cam chain noise?

fuck.. though massey ferguson tuned it.

that or harris slipped a pipe on :D

[Kickaha]

From what I've seen of it a freshen up - just a valve grind,shims, a deglaze and some gaskets plus a carb synch would make quite a difference.
It was all apart a while back when it had an overheating problem, not sure what was done to it at the time though

[Fast Eddie]

It was all apart a while back when it had an overheating problem, not sure what was done to it at the time though

its getting a bit noisy at idle now..

120 ish HP at the wheel on harris' lovely dyno saur

I've got some adjustable cams at home too.. hopefully they are for an FZR/YZF motor lol

[scrivy]

its getting a bit noisy at idle now..

120 ish HP at the wheel on harris' lovely dyno saur

I've got some adjustable cams at home too.. hopefully they are for an FZR/YZF motor lol
Fuck me! 120?????!! What a snore fest!!!!!

Put a late model 6 hundy in it and shave off 25 kgs!!

[Fast Eddie]

Fuck me! 120?????!! What a snore fest!!!!!

Put a late model 6 hundy in it and shave off 25 kgs!!

how about a late model 1300 and shave off my 25kg beard? nom nom.. one day maybe.

I've got 1 FZR motor and another which is near complete.. could prob sell them (if there is a market) and go newer power plant..

Or spend cash with Grumph tuning the fzr/yzf unit.. so many choices, so little cash.

Can you get 200hp out of them :D ?

[Drew]

how about a late model 1300 and shave off my 25kg beard? nom nom.. one day maybe.

I've got 1 FZR motor and another which is near complete.. could prob sell them (if there is a market) and go newer power plant..

Or spend cash with Grumph tuning the fzr/yzf unit.. so many choices, so little cash.

Can you get 200hp out of them :D ?
For what it would cost, you'd save ten grand buying my old superbike and putting that motor in. 192bhp on Ray Clee's factory pro dyno, at the tread was the most it made, but was a better motor at 187.

All that said, Steve Bron went faster than his own lap records easily all around the country, after he blew up his hot motor, and used a standard one.

[Fast Eddie]

but was a better motor at 187.

everythings better when you'r doin a 187

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what was the motor? gsxr1000?

[scrivy]

All that said, Steve Bron went faster than his own lap records easily all around the country, after he blew up his hot motor, and used a standard one.

STANDARD?? ....and you believed him??

[Grumph]

STANDARD?? ....and you believed him??

even I know better than that...

In the SI Kai, it;s all about midrange on Puna and Levels. just putting the cams in the right place on those 5 valve wonders makes quite a difference. Even the R1's respond to that.
120 at the wheel with a broad torque spread would make riding it easier.

[scrivy]

even I know better than that...
Smoke and mirrors eh......

just putting the cams in the right place on those 5 valve wonders makes quite a difference.

I thought they usually sit on top of the valves, just under the rocker cover?? :bleh::eek:

[sidecar bob]

I thought they usually sit on top of the valves, just under the rocker cover?? :bleh::eek:

Yeah, thats about all the dumbass that put the ones in Jays GSX knew about them before Grumph came along too.
Hang on a minute, you built that motor the first time didnt you? It had all the hallmarks of being built by a plastics retailer.

[Drew]

STANDARD?? ....and you believed him??OK, less fast then.

Build update. K8 shock is too big in the body for what we want to do with it. Upside, the RF unit is spot on. It's fully rebuildable with all the adjustment range we'll need, so woohoo, my rotten old RF is no longer baggy in the arse!

[scrivy]

OK, less fast then.

Build update. K8 shock is too big in the body for what we want to do with it. Upside, the RF unit is spot on. It's fully rebuildable with all the adjustment range we'll need, so woohoo, my rotten old RF is no longer baggy in the arse!

Can we get one for Sidecar Bob too??

[Grumph]

I saw the Harris swingarm today at a mates workshop awaiting truing and welding.....wtf was he doing ? Bouncing it over kerbs ???

I'd fully endorse scrivy's advice to gritblast (not sand ffs) the bitch and go over it minutely....Never know it may sort some handling probs....

[Kickaha]

Fuck me! 120?????!! What a snore fest!!!!!Johnny B won two NZ titles with not much more than that

STANDARD?? ....and you believed him??
Same way we believe you when you say your motor isn't oversize

wtf was he doing ? Bouncing it over kerbs ???
You've obviously seen how he rides then

Can you get 200hp out of them :D ?
You sound more like Graeme every day

[scrivy]

Same way we believe you when you say your motor isn't oversize


1960cc is a size.......

[scrivy]

I saw the Harris swingarm today at a mates workshop awaiting truing and welding.....wtf was he doing ? Bouncing it over kerbs ???
Well, errr..... YES! Graeme 'man boobs' Harris went on the grass - over the ripple strips more than once coming out of the bus stop chicane at Levels....

I'd fully endorse scrivy's advice to stay on a short bike....

Well, woo hoo!! Another believer!!
I'm converting people everyday! :shifty::rolleyes:

[scrivy]

Hang on a minute, you built that motor the first time didnt you? It had all the hallmarks of being built by a plastics retailer.

How'd you know?? Was it the abs used on the cam caps, or the teflon used as helicoils, or poly ethylene used as the guide seals, or polycarbonate used for the valve springs???? What gave it away???

I know, it was the fact that it had a preference for containers....... (in one now to PI).

[sidecar bob]

How'd you know?? Was it the abs used on the cam caps, or the teflon used as helicoils, or poly ethylene used as the guide seals, or polycarbonate used for the valve springs???? What gave it away???

I know, it was the fact that it had a preference for containers....... (in one now to PI).

It was the complete lack of knowledge of anything mechanical & the broken after market cam chain guide that appeared to be made of a plastic salad spoon handle that was the clincher.

[scrivy]

It was the complete lack of knowledge of anything mechanical & the broken after market cam chain guide that appeared to be made of a plastic salad spoon handle that was the clincher.

Ah ha!! I knew it wasn't me! See, if it was, I would have known how brittle those are, 'cause I sell thousands a year! I would have used plastic toilet brush holders..... 'cause then Jay could have wiped everyones arse as he went past........ :bleh:

Call me mechanically impaired.........

[Kickaha]

Call me mechanically impaired.........
Ok, you're mechanically impaired :bleh:

[scrivy]

Ok, you're mechanically impaired :bleh:

Chur bro!!!

[Mental Trousers]

Impaired or retarded? Which it is can be found by answering the question:


What can you fix with a hammer?

The correct answer means you're neither!!

[Henk]

The correct answer is "pretty much everything"?

[Mental Trousers]

The correct answer is "pretty much everything"?

:facepalm: <blah>

[scrivy]

:facepalm: <blah>

Hey.... this is a sidecar thread.....:rolleyes:

[Fast Eddie]

Hey.... this is a sidecar thread.....:rolleyes:

supposed to be a build thread.. but I don't see any building or porno..

[jellywrestler]

All that said, Steve Bron went faster than his own lap records easily all around the country, after he blew up his hot motor, and used a standard one. i think he got that hot motor built overseas and they built it for long sweeping corners, of which we have few, didn't work as well here

[Drew]

supposed to be a build thread.. but I don't see any building or porno..Oh yeah, how's the trailer coming along?

Alan is back at work now, so the oil pickup is ready to go in the motor. That means the motor can get completed and ready for install.

When replacing the swingarm bearings he found that the main pivot tube was out of round. Indicating that the tube was turned and never been out since the arm got welded to it. Will find out later how he got on pressing it back into shape, or if it needs replaced.

The front end is gonna be built tomorrow I hope. Or at least mocked up.

[scrivy]

i think he got that hot motor built overseas and they built it for long sweeping corners, of which we have few, didn't work as well here

Ummmm ok...... well sort of.... actually not...... Nah, I'm confused.....

Don't you build a hot engine for going fast down straights???
How does a hot engine know it's going fast down a straight or around sweeping corners???

I know I'm no mechanic, but.........???? :scratch:

[Kickaha]

How does a hot engine know it's going fast down a straight or around sweeping corners???
You'd build it with a different power delivery depending on what type of track, Grants Windle and Daves LCR both have K4 GSXR1000 and within a couple of HP of each other on the same dyno, both are very different in the power delivery

Just watched Paeroa 1992, Graeme Cole/Neville Mikkelson on a G12 Matchless, is that the same one Neville still races?

[scrivy]

Just watched Paeroa 1992, Graeme Cole/Neville Mikkelson on a G12 Matchless, is that the same one Neville still races?

The very one! Ask Nev how many races hes won on it, and what his lap time was around Eastern Creek....
Its a homemade rocket! Beautifully engineered too!

[Fast Eddie]

Oh yeah, how's the trailer coming along?

haha, about as well as the aprilia and agip bike..

[swarfie]

You'd build it with a different power delivery depending on what type of track, Grants Windle and Daves LCR both have K4 GSXR1000 and within a couple of HP of each other on the same dyno, both are very different in the power delivery

Just watched Paeroa 1992, Graeme Cole/Neville Mikkelson on a G12 Matchless, is that the same one Neville still races?

The very same animal...its been in the family for 25 years! Graeme Cole and I built it in 1988 with an over-bored Matchless motor (730cc) which the crank "fell" out of @ Wanganui in 1989...everything was rooted:weep: Five weeks later we fired the new donk up which had a crankshaft made out of 2 Yamaha tt500 cranks joined together (764cc) and raced that for 11 years. Then in 2000 I built the motor thats in it now which is 800cc and has my own 90 degree crank in it. Made the crankcases, cams, followers, conrods, one piece alloy barrel (cut out of a solid billet)with nickasil bores, and centre main bearing webb. No plain bearings or bushes in sight, its all running on needle rollers or roller bearings. Suffice to say that the 'M' on the tank probably stands for Mickleson:cool:
Took it to Eastern Creek in 2000 and won the Ausy champs with it beating a 1300cc Harley and knocked 2 1/2 seconds off the pre 63 lap record in the second lap of the first race...made all the work seem worth it for some reason.

[Grumph]

Ummmm ok...... well sort of.... actually not...... Nah, I'm confused.....

Don't you build a hot engine for going fast down straights???
How does a hot engine know it's going fast down a straight or around sweeping corners???

I know I'm no mechanic, but.........???? :scratch:

It's not rocket science...you have several easy variables. Cam positioning is the main one but pipe lengths and dia plus intake lengths and carb size come into play too.

Kick will remember a day at Levels where the mad pom had a ride on Colin's ZZR1100 and got off it fizzing about how easy it was to ride compared to the one in his bike which didn't come on till about 8 grand.

Historically NI engine builders have always gone for max power - having Puke and Manfield as the main circuits did that.
Down here midrange rules on Ruapuna and Levels. Teretonga is an anomaly in the SI...

Even our cam grinders differ - In my experience the NI companies will if anything overcam whereas Kelford have always preferred to slightly undercam.

[Drew]

It's not rocket science...you have several easy variables. Cam positioning is the main one but pipe lengths and dia plus intake lengths and carb size come into play too.

Kick will remember a day at Levels where the mad pom had a ride on Colin's ZZR1100 and got off it fizzing about how easy it was to ride compared to the one in his bike which didn't come on till about 8 grand.

Historically NI engine builders have always gone for max power - having Puke and Manfield as the main circuits did that.
Down here midrange rules on Ruapuna and Levels. Teretonga is an anomaly in the SI...

Even our cam grinders differ - In my experience the NI companies will if anything overcam whereas Kelford have always preferred to slightly undercam.

Up here, Manfield is the only track that max power is optimal in my opinion. Yes, Pukie has a huge straight but it's a fast track, not a drag strip track. A controlable bike over the hill will smash a peaky bike, and that sets you up for the part of the track where the most gains can be made. One need only look at the times for a 600 compared to a 1000, which are not a lot different in percentage to SI tracks.

I am told that Robbie Bugden doesn't use the over rev available from after market ecu on his superbike. That's second or third hand info and a few years old, but having had a squirt on a very wanked thou I would hazard it's true. A positive side effect of this, is that with the motor spinning slower on a big block solo, it makes for faster direction changes. Due to lessened gyroscopic effect, (I don't think that's the right terminology for what I want to convey...could be though).

[scrivy]

Drew, do not remove the big vented disc, and do not fit bike discs to the front end!! Seriously!

[Fast Eddie]

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Drew making progress on his chair, Legend!

[Drew]

Drew, do not remove the big vented disc, and do not fit bike discs to the front end!! Seriously!

Okey dokey. You think they'll still cook?

If Kaiser (that's what my phone calls him after I type his name), Will post my pic of the shock mount up we can talk about something that Will work...I hope.

[Fast Eddie]

Okey dokey. You think they'll still cook?

If Kaiser (that's what my phone calls him after I type his name), Will post my pic of the shock mount up we can talk about something that Will work...I hope.

haha, I get called that a bit.. German after all..

I chucked a photo up.. or was there another one to go up? I need a shower, its been days.. Nitro Circus for us tonight.. Watch some wealthy red necks jump their dirt bikes

[scrivy]

Okey dokey. You think they'll still cook?


Absolutely they will cook if you use small thin bike ones! Try stopping your RF if it was double the weight! Lap after lap..... It'll fry!

I can't see from that pic, but is that rotor vented? I'll have a measure up of mine and let you know what I have - it obviously works a friggin treat - cause no fucker out brakes us...... Not even containers..... :facepalm:

[nodrog]

Drew, do not remove the big vented disc, and do not fit bike discs to the front end!! Seriously!

Dont the MNZ rules say sidecars must run a cast disc anyway? Or do I just dream commonsense?


Okey dokey. You think they'll still cook?

If Kaiser (that's what my phone calls him after I type his name), Will post my pic of the shock mount up we can talk about something that Will work...I hope.

How far away from the headers is that puppy?


.... Nitro Circus for us tonight.. Watch some wealthy red necks jump their dirt bikes

Did you win lotto?

[scrivy]

How far away from the headers is that puppy?


Exactly what I was thinking too.....:shit:

[Fast Eddie]

I can't see from that pic, but is that rotor vented?

looks like it is from the pic.. can just see some venting if you look close enough



Did you win lotto?

nah - xmas present.

[Drew]

Exactly what I was thinking too.....:shit:

Further than the standard placement to the midpipe on my rf.

[nodrog]

Further than the standard placement to the midpipe on my rf.

the shock on your RF is by the headers? thats retarded.

[Kornholio]

the shock on your RF is by the headers? thats retarded.

John Britten made it ow...

[jellywrestler]

John Britten made it ow...

john brittens shock is away from the headers and in the cool air flow, this was an idea from Steve Roberts, the man who built the plastic fantastic

[Kickaha]

Absolutely they will cook if you use small thin bike ones! Try stopping your RF if it was double the weight! Lap after lap..... It'll fry!
You should explain that to Johnny B seeing as he wont two NZ titles using bikes discs and calipers

I can't see from that pic, but is that rotor vented?
Interesting talking to a brake specialsit who said for the weight and speeds we do we'd easily get away with unvented discs

Dont the MNZ rules say sidecars must run a cast disc anyway? Or do I just dream commonsense?
The answer to both of those is NO

27.6.3a Only ferrous brakes disc’s are allowed.

[nodrog]

Most motorbike ones are stainless arent they?

[Kickaha]

Most motorbike ones are stainless arent they? Some are some aren't

from Wiki Ferrous metals include steel and pig iron (with a carbon content of a few percent) and alloys of iron with other metals (such as stainless steel).

[Drew]

The rotor is ventilated. Not cross drilled or grooved though so might cut some grooves to let the gases escape the surface contact area.

[scrivy]

You should explain that to Johnny B seeing as he wont two NZ titles using bikes discs and calipers
I wasn't trying to be funny Kick, just stating that when I first started racing the Busa, it had 2 bike discs like Johnnys. After 2 laps at Puke they were so hot, and blue, that they failed to work! Sowersby had raced a year before like that too, but not at our speeds. He subsequently changed it to a big mutha vented rotor and caliper. I don't wanna see anyone build a sidecar with inferior items that could allow them to get hurt. Drews re-inventing stuff and replacing things, but I was just trying to warn him of the dangers.
Also, Johnny based his machine on an F2, far lighter than our pigs.

Interesting talking to a brake specialsit who said for the weight and speeds we do we'd easily get away with unvented discs
How specialist? Chris Lawrance, Pate and others have had brake fade with awesome vented discs in place.


27.6.3a Only ferrous brakes disc’s are allowed.
So you're saying Johnny B shouldn't have won the title then?? :bleh:

[scrivy]

The rotor is ventilated. Not cross drilled or grooved though so might cut some grooves to let the gases escape the surface contact area.

My rotor is 265mm x 19mm wide. Brought from Les Hunters ChCH.

[Kickaha]

So you're saying Johnny B shouldn't have won the title then?? :bleh:
They probably comply


How specialist? Chris Lawrance, Pate and others have had brake fade with awesome vented discs in place.
Specialist as in he does it all day every day and this was back with Battletruck which was 320kg dry, awesome vented discs dont mean anything if you don't have a good caliper/pad/fluid combo going on

Anyone ever bothered seeing just how hot their brakes get and actually matching pads up based on the temperature they get to rather than just buying the cheapest shit that fits the caliper?

[Drew]

So you're saying Johnny B shouldn't have won the title then?? :bleh:


I'm not re-inventing anything bro. The rocker arm trailing shock might be un tried on chairs, but it's simple and not unheard of on bikes. Ducati use a double system of direct shock mounting on the swingarm, at the same point as a solid rod. They work either end of a rocker at the top to effect the rising shock rate. Most people don't realise that suspension compression speed is a curved graph. Further through the stoke ya go, the faster the shock compresses relative to the swingarm movement.

I will be testing 'dogleg' offsets on the rocker arm to emulate this.

As for brakes, I don't intend to fuck with what ain't broke. I have seen bike disks on chairs, but you're right, they were much lighter animals than mine.

[scrivy]

I'm not re-inventing anything bro. The rocker arm trailing shock might be un tried on chairs, but it's simple and not unheard of on bikes. Ducati use a double system of direct shock mounting on the swingarm, at the same point as a solid rod. They work either end of a rocker at the top to effect the rising shock rate. Most people don't realise that suspension compression speed is a curved graph. Further through the stoke ya go, the faster the shock compresses relative to the swingarm movement.

I will be testing 'dogleg' offsets on the rocker arm to emulate this.

As for brakes, I don't intend to fuck with what ain't broke. I have seen bike disks on chairs, but you're right, they were much lighter animals than mine.

When I say re-inventing, I mean thinking outside of the norm for sidecars. I hope it works well for you - it will.
Our heavy pigs at the speeds we're capable of going need better than bike discs, period.

[Drew]

When I say re-inventing, I mean thinking outside of the norm for sidecars. I hope it works well for you - it will.
Our heavy pigs at the speeds we're capable of going need better than bike discs, period.
I hope it works too. Next week I'm chopping off all the shit (and it really was poorly built), the old shocks mounted to.

There is a positive to a smaller disk, more space around it allows more cooling air. It's just a case of having the right combination as Warwick says.

We're disadvantaged in some ways by having no other chair guys close for advice and help, but it can be advantageous to have to think shit up on our own.

[Fast Eddie]

We're disadvantaged in some ways by having no other chair guys close for advice and help, but it can be advantageous to have to think shit up on our own.

pff consider yourself lucky you don't have the captain offering to work on the bike for you..

you got 24/7 access to KB with all the chair fellas on it what more do you need :D back to the shed with you.

[Kickaha]

pff consider yourself lucky you don't have the captain offering to work on the bike for you..
We should chip in for some tickets and send him up

[scrivy]

I hope it works too. Next week I'm chopping off all the shit (and it really was poorly built), the old shocks mounted to.
Was it built in the South Island??? LOL

We're disadvantaged in some ways by having no other chair guys close for advice and help, but it can be advantageous to have to think shit up on our own.

Give Steve 'Moly Bob Dob' Bryan a call anytime..... He loves chatting about tripods.... He'll sort ya out.

[scrivy]

We should chip in for some tickets and send him up

CHIPS? You always thinking about ya gut eh Kick!!:bleh:

[Fast Eddie]

We should chip in for some tickets and send him up

he he :shifty:

crash on drews couch for a couple weeks, sort out his brakes and engine for him

[Kickaha]

CHIPS? You always thinking about ya gut eh Kick!!:bleh:

Yes, just been out at the track and had chips, hotdog and 2 cans of coke, I'm trying to make up for all the exercise I've been doing

[Weaver]

I get the impression people seem to think there is very little work happening to our chair so I thought I'd do an update on some of the work that's been going on this past week.

I've repaired the rear swing arm so it's bearings will fit properly and fitted new bearings then mounted a '99 R1 shock in the rear.
Made some new soft engine mounts for the front, which we'll fit later on this week.
I made a new foot pedal assembly for the gear shifter out of aluminium.
Yesterday I made some spacer blocks to fit between the two halves of a motorcycle brake calliper so it can be mounted on the car disk up front. This will be our auxiliary brake. For this brake we're using a Brembo master cylinder. This however needed a new rear half of the bar clamp made ( the bolts are offset so I couldn't use any old clamp), which I've now done.
I did an average job of welding up the exhaust too.

We've got a couple of 13x7 Hotwire mags to go on the chair wheel to replace the steel 13x10 rims on it. This however means we need to get some more front sized tires.

[Drew]

Excellent work team!

[scrivy]

Excellent work team!

Errrrr..... you helping in any of this Drew??? LOL!!:bleh:

[Drew]

Errrrr..... you helping in any of this Drew??? LOL!!:bleh:

My encouraging words help!

[scrivy]

My encouraging words help!

I like the way you think.....!

[sidecar bob]

What exactly is a "front size tyre"? measure between the inner bead edges in inches & post it up. I have a stack of 2nd hand slicks in my carport for this exact purpose.

[Weaver]

The tyre is a 170/"tell you when I get home tonight" x 13

[Drew]

What exactly is a "front size tyre"? measure between the inner bead edges in inches & post it up. I have a stack of 2nd hand slicks in my carport for this exact purpose.

The hotwire is 13x7. 170 section tyre on the front rim of the same size, could possibly do with being a 180 but the front is brand new so we'll wrestle with it till replacement time.

[Fast Eddie]

The hotwire is 13x7. 170 section tyre on the front rim of the same size, could possibly do with being a 180 but the front is brand new so we'll wrestle with it till replacement time.

what did you guys do to get alloys on the cheap? just buy car rims with correct offset and redrill the centers for your hubs?

Agip bike wants alloys... I can tell.. the steel wheels weight vs the one alloy I have is considerable. Apparently sponge bobs old bike has the agip bikes other 2 alloys.. dunno if new owner is gonna let them go tho haha damn it

[Drew]

Na, the chair wheel mounting was shit. Since we have to fix it, we'll remount it for the pair of hotwires Al happened to have lying around.

Rear alloy is getting a new ally hub, so offset for that doesn't matter either.:rockon:

[Weaver]

What exactly is a "front size tyre"? measure between the inner bead edges in inches & post it up. I have a stack of 2nd hand slicks in my carport for this exact purpose.

The front tyres are 170/500 - 13. The rim measures 180mm between the beads.

[Kickaha]

Fitment guide
http://www.avonmotorsport.com/motorsport/sidecar/f2-sidecar


The front tyres are 170/500 - 13. The rim measures 180mm between the beads.
I would think that would be quite old, I'd probably go for a 7.2 front and side and 8.2 or 9.0 rear

[Drew]

Will check the date stamp on the front hoop, but it doesn't seem to be old and fucked.

Would rather not buy three tyres if we can get away with two.

[sidecar bob]

180mm is 7.2 inch, dont go any wider, its not a motorbike & all going wider will do is round the tyre out so you only run on the centre of it.

[Drew]

Yeah. 180 is heaps front and chair. Gonna be 170 chair till it wears out to make use of the current front.

[Fast Eddie]

spot the difference..

277555

[sidecar bob]

spot the difference..

277555

Its cool, but how is it better?

[Fast Eddie]

277570

emergency brake..

he can upload pics on facebook but can't do kiwibiker... ussseless

[Kickaha]

he can upload pics on facebook but can't do kiwibiker... ussseless
Easily dumb enough to be a sidecar rider

[nodrog]

is it got ground clearence mister?

[Drew]

Its cool, but how is it better?The suspension is now decent, instead of two shiney springs and some tubes. Wheel is now able to be changed in seconds too.

[Drew]

Cheers for chucking the pics up Kai. Was fucking around to do it myself.

The brake caliper mounting plate is off to work with Al', to be made out of aluminium too. Too much unsprung weight up front for our liking.

Today I also finished up the brake master cylinder mount, that Al' had mostly sorted. Once he gets the new foot lever done it'll be time for lines and testing.

[scrivy]

Cheers for chucking the pics up Kai. Was fucking around to do it myself.

The brake caliper mounting plate is off to work with Al', to be made out of aluminium too. Too much unsprung weight up front for our liking.

Today I also finished up the brake master cylinder mount, that Al' had mostly sorted. Once he gets the new foot lever done it'll be time for lines and testing.

Really great to see you guys working hard on it! Believe me, it will all be worth the effort, once you open up the taps and get the fucker sideways around ya first sweeper at 160kms!!!

Top effort boys!:woohoo:

[scrivy]

277570

emergency brake..

he can upload pics on facebook but can't do kiwibiker... ussseless

Got much clearance to the rim?

[Weaver]

Got much clearance to the rim?

About five or less mills on the top calliper bleed nipple. It's become a stubbie nipple. Nipples.

[Drew]

Hehehe. Nipples.

[Fast Eddie]

Cheers for chucking the pics up Kai. Was fucking around to do it myself.
all good bro, gotta do something during the day to earn my money :D


Really great to see you guys working hard on it! Believe me, it will all be worth the effort, once you open up the taps and get the fucker sideways around ya first sweeper at 160kms!!!

Top effort boys!:woohoo:

harrd out, can't wait to see a packed grid of sidecars! 35 on the grid is the target by oo lets say 2015.

and at least 10 running regularly in the south island!

what motor does your thing have in it again Drew? kaiwasaki?

[Weaver]

what motor does your thing have in it again Drew? kaiwasaki?

'00-'01 ZX12R. He's busy assembling it at the moment and we'll have it in the frame soon.

I in the meantime am remounting the chair hub so that our new rims will fit ( they have a very deep offset compared to the original rim) and so it has some camber adjustment.

[Fast Eddie]

'00-'01 ZX12R. He's busy assembling it at the moment and we'll have it in the frame soon.

I in the meantime am remounting the chair hub so that our new rims will fit ( they have a very deep offset compared to the original rim) and so it has some camber adjustment.

oh fuck another big bore bike..

can u get oversize pistons for an fzr motor :D

[Fast Eddie]

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Drews becoming quite the photographer..

[Drew]

Really stoked to have the motor completed in it's home.

Glad we don't have to fabricate the plumbing for it too.

[Fast Eddie]

Really stoked to have the motor completed in it's home.

Glad we don't have to fabricate the plumbing for it too.

you got an ensuite bathroom on it too! jealous

its looking nice though, did you paint any parts yet? motor and most of it looks pretty clean and tidy!

[Drew]

you got an ensuite bathroom on it too! jealous

its looking nice though, did you paint any parts yet? motor and most of it looks pretty clean and tidy!

Areas we've worked on are all still bare steel. Motor is the engine covers from the old motor, on the new one.

Paint is last, no point till it's a functional unit incase we need to make some more changes.

[Grumph]

I've asked this before but I'll ask again as I had a guy ring me tonight with a blown up 1200...

Has your 1200 got a separate bolt-in main bearing block for one main ?

the guy who rang me said his 1200 had the bolt in block same as an 1100....it's put a rod out and as usual it's one of the ones fed by that bearing....
Looking at the pics you posted earlier it looked like yours had all the bearings in the cases with no separate block.
You've obviously had the sump off often enough to answer the question...

Thanks.

[Drew]

is it got ground clearence mister?Yip. It's sitting pissed on the stands since the front end is in and out all the time.


I've asked this before but I'll ask again as I had a guy ring me tonight with a blown up 1200...

Has your 1200 got a separate bolt-in main bearing block for one main ?

the guy who rang me said his 1200 had the bolt in block same as an 1100....it's put a rod out and as usual it's one of the ones fed by that bearing....
Looking at the pics you posted earlier it looked like yours had all the bearings in the cases with no separate block.
You've obviously had the sump off often enough to answer the question...

Thanks.No bolt on block to house the main bearing anywhere on our motor.

[Grumph]

No bolt on block to house the main bearing anywhere on our motor.

Thanks - looks like the first thing to look at on the blown one is the engine number......

[Drew]

Thanks - looks like the first thing to look at on the blown one is the engine number......
Sounds like a weird arrangement that you're describing. I Will post up the engine number of ours for ya if it'll help.

[Drew]

Time to get back to work on it now.

[Drew]

Stay tuned sports fans. About to fire it up!

[Madness]

:wait:

































:wait:

[scrivy]

Stay tuned sports fans. About to fire it up!

...........and a little boy waits.........................



3 days later............

[Kornholio]

Stay tuned sports fans. About to fire it up!


...aaaand?

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[Drew]

Epic disappointment.

Won't start. It seems like it's timed 180 degrees wrong, but that doesn't make any sense. The crank and cam angle sensors are fixed position items. Will send a couple pm's and see what some clever folks think.

[Tony.OK]

Keep at it big fella.................you'll get there :laugh:

http://cdn.list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/feedingfail.gif

[nodrog]

turn the fuel on

[Madness]

Killswitch?

:innocent:

[Drew]

Got fuel and spark. It's a timing sounding issue.

[Mental Trousers]

Is it still fuel injected? If it is plug in the computer and find out what the errors are.

[Drew]

Is it still fuel injected? If it is plug in the computer and find out what the errors are.

No dash for it. Nothing to show the fault codes on.

[scrivy]

No dash for it. Nothing to show the fault codes on.

FFS.... BLAME YA PASSENGER!!!! :laugh:

[Mental Trousers]

No dash for it. Nothing to show the fault codes on.

No dash maybe why it won't fire. That or there's sensors not connected/registering.

[Fast Eddie]

No dash maybe why it won't fire. That or there's sensors not connected/registering.

if hes got spark, fuel and air then its a bit odd. timing and compression are the last basics..

[Fast Eddie]

spark plug leads on the right way bro? haha

[Drew]

No dash maybe why it won't fire. That or there's sensors not connected/registering.


if hes got spark, fuel and air then its a bit odd. timing and compression are the last basics..


spark plug leads on the right way bro? haha

As Kaiser says, it sparks and fuels. If it needed a dash it wouldn't do one of those things.

We've got a full workshop manual and everything is wired up right. Plug top coils (so one for each slug) with the right coloured wires to each.

When we first wound it over to circulate oil, without the fuel pump hooked up we also didn't have the crank angle sensor plugged in. I'm wondering if it counted the cam turns and when we plugged in the cranks sensor it has thought it was on a different stroke to where it really is.

[scrivy]

spark plug leads on the right way bro? haha

Nah, Drews trying to run it on water............:laugh:

[Drew]

Nah, Drews trying to run it on water............:laugh:

Hahahaha, Al sprung for some actual petrol. I'll fire it up on that first.

Gonna check the cam timing from scratch to be sure today...Never know with second motors ya know.

[nodrog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--tV30rzd7U

[Drew]

Yeah thanks for that Gordie. I can only assume you posted that to offer us your motor as a gift.

Be up to pick it up tomorrow...Piss up at Gordies y'all!

[scrivy]

Gonna check the cam timing from scratch to be sure today...Never know with second motors ya know.

Just a heads up.......... the camshaft with IN on it goes closest to the inlet manifold (back of sidecar), and the EX one goes closest to the front of the rig - closest to the front wheel.............

That's about the limit of my mechanical knowledge............


Sorry, I do need to point out that they do go in the engine, not by the front wheel etc...

[sidecar bob]

Heres an old mechanic's mantra. For an engine to run it needs FACTS, no not the bit of skin between the. . . . . well you know where. You need Fuel, Air, Compression, Timing, Spark. so work through that one, & once you have that sorted it will run.

[Drew]

Heres an old mechanic's mantra. For an engine to run it needs FACTS, no not the bit of skin between the. . . . . well you know where. You need Fuel, Air, Compression, Timing, Spark. so work through that one, & once you have that sorted it will run.
Yip, only thing that is not obviously correct is timing. We've double check everything else repeatedly. It ignites the mixture fine. Just happens to do it in the header pipe unfortunately.

[scrivy]

Yip, only thing that is not obviously correct is timing. We've double check everything else repeatedly. It ignites the mixture fine. Just happens to do it in the header pipe unfortunately.

Has it got an adjustable crank angle sensor plate or pick up? If it was cam timing, it would still ignite in the cylinder, but if it was ignition timing, it could ignite too far retarded...........

[Fast Eddie]

Has it got an adjustable crank angle sensor plate or pick up? If it was cam timing, it would still ignite in the cylinder, but if it was ignition timing, it could ignite too far retarded...........

look at you Mr. Mechanic! you been googling bro?

[scrivy]

look at you Mr. Mechanic! you been googling bro?

Nah, I don't gargle, I spit.....

[scrivy]

If cam timing is right, does it have bent exhaust valves??
Have you done a compression test on it?

[Madness]

This could be useful?

http://www.drpmds.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Advancing%20The%20Ignition%20Timing.htm

[Fast Eddie]

Have you done a compression test on it?

how do you do yours? I throw a mini cadbury cream egg down the plug hole and see if it gets squished. then I know I got compression..

nom nom

[Drew]

Has it got an adjustable crank angle sensor plate or pick up? If it was cam timing, it would still ignite in the cylinder, but if it was ignition timing, it could ignite too far retarded...........cam angle and crank angle sensors are fixed position items.


If cam timing is right, does it have bent exhaust valves??
Have you done a compression test on it?
Have compression tested it.

[Drew]

This could be useful?

http://www.drpmds.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Advancing%20The%20Ignition%20Timing.htm
The guy seems to be going the hard way about it.

He would no doubt notice better throttle response in the first two gears, because factory timing in first and second is retarded to make the bike more controllable. A resistor in the gear position indicator wire to the ecu would have fixed that.

All he has done is promote detonation in the higher gears with middleish throttle.

As far as my understanding goes anyway.

[sidecar bob]

Have you swapped over the inner & outer plug wires, or coil wires as the case may be to swap the spark 180 degrees?

[Kickaha]

The guy seems to be going the hard way about it.

He would no doubt notice better throttle response in the first two gears, because factory timing in first and second is retarded to make the bike more controllable. A resistor in the gear position indicator wire to the ecu would have fixed that.

All he has done is promote detonation in the higher gears with middleish throttle.

As far as my understanding goes anyway.

His one does seem to run though :whistle:

[Kickaha]

Have you swapped over the inner & outer plug wires, or coil wires as the case may be to swap the spark 180 degrees?

I remember Pirates short bike being pushed up and down Manfield trying to get it to go, then someone thought to check that and it fired up striaght away, it was a bit of a rocket when it was going which normally wasn't very long

[scrivy]

Have you checked tyre pressures? Maybe it's that?
Or a good one that catches most people out is the chain can be too tight!

I've even heard over tightened steering head bearings can cause combustion down the headers....

Actually, even too much rebound on ya shock can cause that effect....

Shouldn't be too hard to diagnose............

[Drew]

FUCKING Kawasaki!

There are at least two differences between the 2000 and 2001 zx12r. They changed from a 16 bit processor to a 32bit item. At the same time, they decided to deposition the cam angle sensor by about thirty degrees.

File the locator for your 2001 cam angle sensor off, eye ball it to about where it's sitting your possibly bent 2000 exhaust cam, chuck the cover on, and PRESTO! It runs like a FUCKING gem!

Well done Alan for finding said info and saving years of FUCKING about trying to find a simple solution to Kawasaki's retardation.

[Madness]

:clap: :clap:

[scrivy]

they decided to deposition the cam angle sensor by about thirty degrees.

File the locator for your 2001 cam angle sensor off, eye ball it to about where it's sitting your possibly bent 2000 exhaust cam, chuck the cover on, and PRESTO! It runs like a FUCKING gem!


Knew it was ignition timing................. and you cunts think I'm thick............

[scrivy]

Oh, video of it running or it didn't happen. :Punk:

[Drew]

Oh, video of it running or it didn't happen. :Punk:

Al should posting it up some time. He's a busy man ya know.

[Weaver]

I think it's only fair to say I'm an engine fixing god.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=skdi6dAZ2nk

[Drew]

I think it's only fair to say I'm an engine fixing god.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=skdi6dAZ2nk

No doubt about it.

[Tony.OK]

I think it's only fair to say I'm an engine fixing god.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=skdi6dAZ2nk

You gonna let Drew do anything mate? Or just let him think he's being helpful and nod approvingly at him :laugh:

http://youtu.be/skdi6dAZ2nk

[Kickaha]

and you cunts think I'm thick............
We dont think you're thick

[merv]

I reckon Drew and Alan are legends getting that started :woohoo:

[Drew]

I reckon Drew and Alan are legends getting that started :woohoo:

You probably wouldn't if you knew the circumstances behind Al finding what the problem was.:shutup:

[scrivy]

You probably wouldn't if you knew the circumstances behind Al finding what the problem was.:shutup:

Al was surfing porn sites and found info on crank positioning angles for sensitive penetration?

Which equated to Crank angle sensor positioning??
See, porn is mans best friend...............

[scrivy]

We dont think you're thick

And we don't think you're unco................

[Weaver]

Al was surfing porn sites and found info on crank positioning angles for sensitive penetration?

Which equated to Crank angle sensor positioning??
See, porn is mans best friend...............



Look at the lobes on that cam!

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1310650820313.jpg

[Drew]

Al was surfing porn sites and found info on crank positioning angles for sensitive penetration?

Which equated to Crank angle sensor positioning??
See, porn is mans best friend...............Hahahaha, if only you knew how close to the truth you are.

[scrivy]

Hahahaha, if only you knew how close to the truth you are.

Um......... you were getting all excited about it starting, and you were spanking your monkey and got it on the crank angle rotor?? Wiped it off and saw it was the wrong one??:facepalm:

[Drew]

No. He didn't believe me when I said it got timed up on number one on a firing stroke. So he Google zx12r firing order, and stumbled upon a forum post by a guy with the same issue we were having.

In retrospect he was probably right about it being timed up at the end of an exhaust stroke, So a firing stroke on number four. Since the cam lobes for the inlet valves are just about operate the valves when everything is on it's timing marks.

[nodrog]

Yeah thanks for that Gordie. I can only assume you posted that to offer us your motor as a gift.

Be up to pick it up tomorrow...Piss up at Gordies y'all!

quick im thirsty

[Drew]

quick im thirsty

No need now. Got a decent motor going.

[scrivy]

No need now. Got a decent motor going.

Why should that stop ya drinking??

[Drew]

Why should that stop ya drinking??
My expending waste line?

[scrivy]

My expending waste line?

We're all expendable, I'd be worried if it was expanding.............:shutup::laugh:

[Drew]

We're all expendable, I'd be worried if it was expanding.............:shutup::laugh:

Stupid fuckin phone...and me for not checking.

[Drew]

Al fabricated up the dogbone and linkage arms for the front suspension yesterday.

I'll be going to see a mate at another machine shop this arvo about tig welding the top triple clamp so the front can go back in and we can weigh it and get the shock rebuilt for our application.

[Drew]

Quite the eventful afternoon on the job.

I tacked the top triple clamp up with the mig, but it doesn't have the range of adjustment to properly weld aluminium. Took it to some mates at an engineering shop, and got them to tight it up. Job was free so I won't be too harsh, but the guy was a tad generous with the filler rod.

Because it's in a cunt of a spot with a gusset brace, I spent four hours with a bloody wood chisel hammering away material to create a flat surface for the thing to be bolted together.

Anyhoo, got that sussed. Al brought home a box of goodies for the suspension, and by lunch time tomorrow should have the spindle pressed in the forks, and the hole bored into the top plate. Front end can go in and stay in from there!

[jellywrestler]

Dude, it might be safe to raised your view of me just a smidge.



For how long?


I tacked the top triple clamp up with the mig, but it doesn't have the range of adjustment to properly weld aluminium. Took it to some mates at an engineering shop, and got them to tight it up. Job was free so I won't be too harsh, but the guy was a tad generous with the filler rod.

Because it's in a cunt of a spot with a gusset brace, I spent four hours with a bloody wood chisel hammering away material to create a flat surface for the thing to be bolted together.

you building a Sidecar or something for a Flintstones Movie?

[Drew]

For how long?

you building a Sidecar or something for a Flintstones Movie?
I hear ya. Bloody ridiculous way to do it. But effective if not time consuming to the point of insanity.

I considered getting some grunty as sanding wheels for the dye grinder, but the wear out quick as fuck when you're trying to cut loads of material away.

[Drew]

Got all the bits for the front end now. All the bits to remount the chair wheel hub too, but there was a slight problem with my welder.

Managed to fix that tonight, so tomorrow arvo perhaps we'll make some progress.

[Drew]

Got some bits finished today. Also carried on with the brakes, master cylinders and bias bar are done, just pedal, linkage, and lines to do on those.

I'm sure Kai will be along shortly with the pics I loaded to facebook.

[Fast Eddie]

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10 churs

keep up the momentum it'll be done in no time.

heading up to chch tomorrow night to spend a week solid on the agip bike! yipee, pretty keen to get into it (and to try finish the trailer, at least a rolling useable flat deck.. fuck the enclosure and hammocks)

[sidecar bob]

What exactly was the problem with the existing front end to require this kind of re engineering?
Or are you excercising your age old right as a sidecar racer to do things a whole new way thats never been tried before just because you can?

[Drew]

What exactly was the problem with the existing front end to require this kind of re engineering?
Or are you excercising your age old right as a sidecar racer to do things a whole new way thats never been tried before just because you can?

The shocks were cheap shit, with no adjustment as to damping...And very little damping anyway.

The linkage system gives us rising rate too, so the further through it's stroke it gets, the damping and spring graph curves ramp up. It is also serviceable and can be revalved for different tracks and surfaces. This is very handy with so little travel. 50mm at the axle.

We are also exercising said right.

Pissed about with the wiring today. Trying to find the oil pressure warning light wire in the loom. Fucked if I can find the plug that used to go to the dash though, so will wire up my own. That is basic as. The temperature gauge wire is not so simple to wire ones self, so it occurs to me now that I'll have to find said plug after all. I am not looking forward to that, so I might just put another sender inline somewhere and do like the oil pressure thingie.

Oh yeah, we went and got an oil pressure gauge too, so we can make sure that shit is doing what it should before we ride it.

[Drew]

Well Al has been beavering away on lots of parts, that we wanted to replace for weight saving and adjustment purposes. So we now have nice aluminium items all over the place.

We got it back to a rolling condition today, and fully clothed it weighs in at 268kgs minus fuel. We figure plus or minus ten kilos we're still not unhappy.

Front and drive wheel are pretty much evenly weighted to my surprise. There's at least 5 kilos to be saved in the rear wheel hub and rim when the aluminium items go in there, and it'll be spot on equal.

Handle bars and brake lines, and we'll be ready for the Upper Hutt secret location GP!

Pics to come probably next week most likely, once I put the bars on.

[sidecar bob]

No, you dont need handlebars, apparently the swinger can steer the bike for you. Ask Warwick how, cos im to useless to do it.

[Deano]

We got it back to a rolling condition today, and fully clothed it weighs in at 268kgs minus fuel.

What did you weigh it on bro ? And don't say a big scale....

[Weaver]

What did you weigh it on bro ? And don't say a big scale....

Three bathroom scales. :corn:

[Deano]

Three bathroom scales. :corn:

Did you add the three results, or multiply them, or triangulate the total divided by pie.

Or did Drew just eat the pie and you guessed the weight ?

[Weaver]

Or did Drew just eat the pie and you guessed the weight ?

Bwahaha. Na, we had BK instead.


Just added up all three. The maths is sound.

[Kickaha]

We got it back to a rolling condition today, and fully clothed it weighs in at 268kgs minus fuel. We figure plus or minus ten kilos we're still not unhappy.
Thats probably not to bad, Pig and Goober were in the 1/2 tonne club on their bike, you two scrawny cunts wont be much over 400

Ask Warwick how, cos im to useless to do it.
It's ok we can get you lessons

[Mental Trousers]

Thats probably not to bad, Pig and Goober were in the 1/2 tonne club on their bike, you two scrawny cunts wont be much over 400

Drew, scrawny?!?

[Kickaha]

Drew, scrawny?!?

Even you are scrawny compared to Pig

[Drew]

Did you add the three results, or multiply them, or triangulate the total divided by pie.

Or did Drew just eat the pie and you guessed the weight ?You're fuckin dead to me!

[sidecar bob]

Did you add the three results, or multiply them, or triangulate the total divided by pie.

Or did Drew just eat the pie and you guessed the weight ?

Scrivy, have you hacked Deano's log in?

[Deano]

You're fuckin dead to me!

Wait till you hear what I have to say on Saturday bro........:devil2:

[Drew]

Scrivy, have you hacked Deano's log in?

Deano was probably just on the wine.

[Fast Eddie]

We got it back to a rolling condition today, and fully clothed it weighs in at 268kgs minus fuel. We figure plus or minus ten kilos we're still not unhappy.



aw what the fuck.. 268kg only!! Why does the agip bike tip the scales at 350-360!! wtfff and that prob didn't have fuel in shit in it. or 180kg odd worth of rider and passenger

so how did you weigh it, put a bathroom scale under each wheel all at the same time?

The agip bike was weighed at the dump weigh station/truck weigh station..

[scrivy]

aw what the fuck.. 268kg only!! Why does the agip bike tip the scales at 350-360!! wtfff and that prob didn't have fuel in shit in it. or 180kg odd worth of rider and passenger

Why does the AGIP bike weigh so much????? Dude, have you looked at the size of the chassis members??? You could put a tractor body on your thing and it could go plough fields!!!

Actually, scratch that idea..... it wouldn't have the grunt..... :lol:

[Souther flags]

Kia you were lucky they let you leave with it

[nodrog]

Kia you were lucky they let you leave with it

Drew can you end this thread here? No other post is going to be better or more accurate than this one.

[Drew]

Drew can you end this thread here? No other post is going to be better or more accurate than this one.
But the chair isn't finished! So torn.

[Fast Eddie]

Drew can you end this thread here? No other post is going to be better or more accurate than this one.

could be more accurate if he spelt my name right

[nodrog]

could be more accurate if he spelt my name right

Thats it isnt it? I thought you must have been born in the back of a pride.

[Souther flags]

Sorry Kai Does being a flaggy mean I have to be able to spell properly to.

[Weaver]

We got out new front tyre delivered to us this morning... Thanks Scrivy, very thoughtful.

[jellywrestler]

We got out new front tyre delivered to us this morning... Thanks Scrivy, very thoughtful.

ahh KY jelly for those who married for money.

[scrivy]

We got out new front tyre delivered to us this morning... Thanks Scrivy, very thoughtful.

No worries!!
Sorry about the empty tube of KY.... no full ones lying around home....
The anal beads are for Drew for his wedding present. I forgot to wrap them - again I'm sorry.
I want to know if he uses them on his wedding night............ Pics would be good......

Oh, the tyre was wrapped though....... I'm good like that.

[Deano]

Deano was probably just on the wine.

Nope - had training that night so I was stone cold sober.

Ya having some reds at your wedding ? I could get loose !

[Fast Eddie]

Thats it isnt it? I thought you must have been born in the back of a pride.
pff hahaha

Sorry Kai Does being a flaggy mean I have to be able to spell properly to.

haha! you do a fine job mate, spelling is for the week weak

[Kornholio]

We got out new front tyre delivered to us this morning... Thanks Scrivy, very thoughtful.

Safety first!

[scrivy]

Bump................





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Errrrrr............ thats Drew on his first lap of practice on his new rig...................

[Drew]

Back to work tomorrow. Should get some bars on it and take a hoon round the block.

[Drew]

Couple pics of the near complete bike.

[Mental Trousers]

Shit hot!!

[Fast Eddie]

looks cool man,

Pretty good looking shorty actually, I like the fairings and shape. Looks fairly modern (with its clothes on at least)
Some hefty handles there for the swinger! no excuses for missing those and falling off.

Can't wait to see it in action, chuck a vid up asap of a skid round the block..

.. watch out for trees.

[scrivy]

Couple pics of the near complete bike.

Looks sweet mate!
What fields are you going to plough with that??

Hang about, it's lighter than mine......... and it's probably got a bigger engine in it than my 1600.....
....and its straighter than mine....
Wanna swap???

[slowpoke]

Couple pics of the near complete bike.

That looks farkin' mint! Giz a coupla pic's of it in the nuddies wouldya? (it, not you)

I'm not so keen on riding the bloody things but I love the engineering in them.

[Drew]

Looks sweet mate!
What fields are you going to plough with that??

Hang about, it's lighter than mine......... and it's probably got a bigger engine in it than my 1600.....
....and its straighter than mine....
Wanna swap???We couldn't get our hands on the 1800 kit unfortunately.


That looks farkin' mint! Giz a coupla pic's of it in the nuddies wouldya? (it, not you)

I'm not so keen on riding the bloody things but I love the engineering in them.

Will do today. Should have a hoon round the block on it today. Provided my back allows me to move a bit soon.

[scrivy]

Provided my back allows me to move a bit soon.

FUCK DUDE, THAT'S MY EXCUSE!! Get your own..............!! :lol:

[nodrog]

Shit hot!!

Looks sweet, atleast we will be able to find it on the grass easy.

[Weaver]

We've got our balance bar fitted and it works fuckin' great. It'll still operate the other master if the other one has a failure.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Kq3UEbCTHc4&feature=youtube_gdata_player&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKq3UEbCTHc4%26feature%3 Dyoutube_gdata_player&gl=GB

[Deano]

Provided my back allows me to move a bit soon.

Honeymoons can be rough eh.

[Drew]

Just got home...from riding our chair!

Does everything it should. Few things to tidy and finalise now that it works, and we're race fuckin ready!!!

[Deano]

Awesome bro.

[Weaver]

Some photos of our balance bar.
Fuck buying on for $135 + GST. This one cost about sixty dollars for the two clevises and a rod end. It works mint.

[scrivy]

Some photos of our balance bar.
Fuck buying on for $135 + GST. This one cost about sixty dollars for the two clevises and a rod end. It works mint.

Is it just the photo, or is it slightly tapered out to the back?? If so, does it fully depress both cylinders if they have their nipples undone? Or does it hit the sides of the holes that the plungers go through??

[Weaver]

Is it just the photo, or is it slightly tapered out to the back?? If so, does it fully depress both cylinders if they have their nipples undone? Or does it hit the sides of the holes that the plungers go through??

Watch the video I posted a few up from here. That should answer your question.

[Drew]

Is it just the photo, or is it slightly tapered out to the back?? If so, does it fully depress both cylinders if they have their nipples undone? Or does it hit the sides of the holes that the plungers go through??

It's just the photo. The balance bar is same centers, as the master cylinders.

[scrivy]

Watch the video I posted a few up from here. That should answer your question.

Sweet! !

[jellywrestler]

and we're race fuckin ready!!! so you've checked the rulebook and it's all kosha then?

[Drew]

Sweet! !

Took me longer to figure out what fittings I needed to make the lines, than it did to bleed them up too.

[jellywrestler]

Some photos of our balance bar.
Fuck buying on for $135 + GST. This one cost about sixty dollars for the two clevises and a rod end. It works mint.

i'm not an ungineer but wouldn't those two nuts in the second pic be betterer with either split washers or lockwashers or nylocks????

been trying to get a look the last couple of days but been working...

[Drew]

so you've checked the rulebook and it's all kosha then?

Yip. Unless there's something I missed, we're good.