Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[Edbear]

Ha ha blackdog, thanks for the red! As for having nothing constructive to say? Wow you are a testy pot aren't you..? :msn-wink:

[Madness]

Some of us don't need to wank... :msn-wink:

Could this be your first factual post in this thread since your narcotic use confession? We all know you don't have to wank Ed, you do it purely for pleasure. Your pleasure levels must be heightened somewhat when you're trippin' on Tramadol, surely?

[blackdog]

Ha ha blackdog, thanks for the red! As for having nothing constructive to say? Wow you are a testy pot aren't you..? :msn-wink:

A red you say? I don't even remember sending it. But that would be because of the alcohol. If I had been smoking instead I guarantee I would have recollection but I'm off it this month pending a piss test before my prison guard induction next week.

[Edbear]

Could this be your first factual post in this thread since your narcotic use confession? We all know you don't have to wank Ed, you do it purely for pleasure. Your pleasure levels must be heightened somewhat when you're trippin' on Tramadol, surely?


A red you say? I don't even remember sending it. But that would be because of the alcohol. If I had been smoking instead I guarantee I would have recollection but I'm off it this month pending a piss test before my prison guard induction next week.

Madness should take a lesson from you and Axzle. At least you guys are original, his attempts are very lame and so predictable they must bore everyone to tears... :(

[Pussy]

Madness should take a lesson from you and Axzle. At least you guys are original, his attempts are very lame and so predictable they must bore everyone to tears... :(

Au contraire. Most of us think he's right on the money.

[Edbear]

Au contraire. Most of us think he's right on the money.

"Most of us?" LoL! Not from the comments of others and the PM's I get. How can three members constitute "most of us"? :scratch:

[blackdog]

"Most of us?" LoL! Not from the comments of others and the PM's I get. How can three members constitute "most of us"? :scratch:

Is it the christianity that makes you delusional, or just the opiates?

[Edbear]

Is it the christianity that makes you delusional, or just the opiates?

Let's do a count... There's you, madness, Katman, imdying, and pussy, so that makes five. Of you lot, Katman and imdying are the most pathetic, closely followed by pussy.

Some like to poke the borax or troll, but only Katman, imdying and pussy seem genuinely nasty. Must have very unhappy lives, living in mindless prejudice and angst.

You at least can be original in your spleen venting. Madness, I don't think he quite knows how he feels yet. He seems a bit confused about things at times. But he has the brains to be better at it, unlike some...

[blackdog]

You didn't answer my question.

[Madness]

Let's do a count... There's you, madness, Katman, imdying, and pussy, so that makes five. Of you lot, Katman and imdying are the most pathetic, closely followed by pussy.

Some like to poke the borax or troll, but only Katman, imdying and pussy seem genuinely nasty. Must have very unhappy lives, living in mindless prejudice and angst.

You at least can be original in your spleen venting. Madness, I don't think he quite knows how he feels yet. He seems a bit confused about things at times. But he has the brains to be better at it, unlike some...

Good cunts the lot of 'em. I know exactly how I feel, no prescription nasties clouding my thoughts. There is one thing that continues to confuse me though Ed; why do you continue to haunt a site for motorcyclists?

[Edbear]

You didn't answer my question.

Your question was of the type such as, "When did you stop beating your wife?" Since it is nonsense I did not deem it worthy of a response.

Must try harder. :sleep:

[blackdog]

And where's Grubber gone?

I want to smack his grammatically incorrect arse some more.

[Edbear]

Good cunts the lot of 'em. I know exactly how I feel, no prescription nasties clouding my thoughts. There is one thing that continues to confuse me though Ed; why do you continue to haunt s site for motorcyclists?

How can you be so confused? I have been a motorcyclist since long before you were born, since I was 12 years old. Just because physical limitations mean I can't, or more accurately have chosen to appease my surgeon and my wife, does not change that fact. If you suffered an accident to the extent I did, would you leave KB?

[Akzle]

Let's do a count... There's you, madness, Katman, imdying, and pussy, so that makes five. Of you lot, Katman and imdying are the most pathetic, closely followed by pussy.

hate to break it to you sunshine, but if i had to pick sides it'd be their's, not yours.

of course, they wouldn't want me on their side,
...so i'd be like the kid who always gets picked last at football, and probably just sit on the sidelines crying and trying not to make eye contact with my parents in the crowd.

//come on assholes, someone give me a fucking bike so i can get off KB!

[Madness]

How can you be so confused? I have been a motorcyclist since long before you were born, since I was 12 years old. Just because physical limitations mean I can't, or more accurately have chosen to appease my surgeon and my wife, does not change that fact. If you suffered an accident to the extent I did, would you leave KB?

You left it a bit late in life then. I'd probably leave KB if circumstances prevented me from riding to be honest as I'd like to think I would have moved on in life rather than lingering on like a greasy fart. Do you frequent other social sites Ed? (pr0n not included- I don't want to know).

[Akzle]

And where's Grubber gone?

I want to smack his grammatically incorrect arse some more.

don't say that, he might get his daughter 'round to kill you...

[Akzle]

Your question was of the type such as, "When did you stop beating your wife?" Since it is nonsense I did not deem it worthy of a response.
:

you'd prefer "when did your wife last beat you?"
innit?

[Edbear]

hate to break it to you sunshine, but if i had to pick sides it'd be their's, not yours.

of course, they wouldn't want me on their side,
...so i'd be like the kid who always gets picked last at football, and probably just sit on the sidelines crying and trying not to make eye contact with my parents in the crowd.

//come on assholes, someone give me a fucking bike so i can get off KB!


Awww... I'm hurt, now... :(


You left it a bit late in life then. I'd probably leave KB if circumstances prevented me from riding to be honest as I'd like to think I would have moved on in life rather than lingering on like a greasy fart. Do you frequent other social sites Ed? (pr0n not included- I don't want to know).

Too many would miss me... :bleh:

I'm on many sites, both for personal and business reasons. KB is not my life. Sorry Spank... :rolleyes:

[Edbear]

you'd prefer "when did your wife last beat you?"
innit?

About 30 years ago but she hurt her hand, and decided that wasn't such a good idea after all... :msn-wink:

[Madness]

I'm on many sites, both for personal and business reasons. KB is not my life. Sorry Spank... :rolleyes:

I wasn't thinking this site is your life, you've got all those medical experts to burden as well and I get that. I was simply wondering if there are other poor souls suffering the same affliction :niceone:

[Edbear]

I wasn't thinking this site is your life, you've got all those medical experts to burden as well and I get that. I was simply wondering if there are other poor souls suffering the same affliction :niceone:

Funnily enough it is only on KB and only a very few here who seem to feel afflicted by my presence. Maybe it is a self-esteem issue with them? :msn-wink:

[blackdog]

Funnily enough it is only on KB and only a very few here who seem to feel afflicted by my presence. Maybe it is a self-esteem issue with them? :msn-wink:

To be fair, I would prefer you fuck off to an MX-5 forum and leave this one to people who can actually ride bikes.

[Akzle]

speaking of which.
ed, give me the fucking car. i had a vision from jesus last night that said you should. he even told me he might get you an extra script if you do...

[Edbear]

To be fair, I would prefer you fuck off to an MX-5 forum and leave this one to people who can actually ride bikes.[/ would QUOTE]

That would exclude quite a few members. I can ride a bike fine but I first need to assure my wife that it is okay to do so. I may, in time convince her to let me have a scooter. You see, she has already experienced a year of me being in a wheelchair and virtually bed-ridden, and hates the thought of me going back to that.

[QUOTE=Akzle;1130530513]speaking of which.
ed, give me the fucking car. i had a vision from jesus last night that said you should. he even told me he might get you an extra script if you do...

I have my reservations about the origin of your visions... :rolleyes:

[Edbear]

About 30 years ago but she hurt her hand, and decided that wasn't such a good idea after all... :msn-wink:

Another red for this blackdog? You're on a roll! I "get it" fine, but obviously you lack severely in the humour department. You are letting your silly prejudice get in the way of your intelligence.

It seems as though you are trying to compete with a couple of others here for lameness and boring predictability. If you really don't like me, feel free to ignore me. :weird:

[Akzle]

I have my reservations about the origin of your visions... :rolleyes:

well... it ain't quite tramadol, but it is some good shit...

[Madness]

Funnily enough it is only on KB and only a very few here who seem to feel afflicted by my presence. Maybe it is a self-esteem issue with them? :msn-wink:

I'd suggest it's less an issue of self-esteem in others but more one of self-righteousness in yourself. Oh, it's a lot more than just half a dozen KBers too, if you know what I mean.

[Edbear]

I'd suggest it's less an issue of self-esteem in others but more one of self-righteousness in yourself. Oh, it's a lot more than just half a dozen KBers too, if you know what I mean.

Well all I can do is repeat that this is only on KB and only a very few members here. Every single other site I am on, I enjoy great respect, and by far the majority even on here. So you tell me...

KB members are noted for their readiness to criticise and ridicule each other and engage in flame wars, so to have so few express themselves in so derogatory terms as the likes of imdying, et al, assures me I am doing just fine thank you. :cool:

[Edbear]

well... it ain't quite tramadol, but it is some good shit...

If I wanted mind altering experiences I'd never choose Tramadol. No side effects at all for me. Now, Ketamine, that is something else! :msn-wink:

Even Morphine only kills pain with me. I've been living with chronic pain for so long I have trouble remembering a time without pain.

[Madness]

So you tell me...

As I don't frequent any religious/MX5/Kizashi/Recreational Opiates forums I'm hardly qualified to comment on you being tolerated elsewhere. There is of course the chance that those other forums are populated by fuckheads and joho's.

[Edbear]

As I don't frequent any religious/MX5/Kizashi/Recreational Opiates forums I'm hardly qualified to comment on you being tolerated elsewhere. There is of course the chance that those other forums are populated by fuckheads and joho's.

Now you are really getting lame! Pathetic really. Maybe I was wrong about you and you don't have the brains after all. :sleep:

That places Axzle well above the rest of you. :(

[Usarka]

If I wanted mind altering experiences I'd never choose Tramadol. No side effects at all for me. Now, Ketamine, that is something else! :msn-wink:


Dude, ketamine is one of the mongiest head fuck drugs on the planet. I've seen people sitting in corners drooling on that stuff in the middle of a party.

That's like saying "i don't speed, I'm way slower than the concorde".

[Edbear]

Dude, ketamine is one of the mongiest head fuck drugs on the planet. I've seen people sitting in corners drooling on that stuff in the middle of a party.

That's like saying "i don't speed, I'm way slower than the concorde".

I was afraid to close my eyes on that stuff! :( I was walking a fine line between life and death at the time and my family beside me in ICU didn't know whether to laugh or cry at what I was coming out with...

[Madness]

I was afraid to close my eyes on that stuff! :( I was walking a fine line between life and death at the time and my family beside me in ICU didn't know whether to laugh or cry at what I was coming out with...

Some of us get that feeling when you post on here too Ed. Mostly I laugh but that's just your "serious" posts.

[blackdog]

Another red for this blackdog? You're on a roll! I "get it" fine, but obviously you lack severely in the humour department. You are letting your silly prejudice get in the way of your intelligence.

It seems as though you are trying to compete with a couple of others here for lameness and boring predictability. If you really don't like me, feel free to ignore me. :weird:

Whoops. Must'ave been pissed again.

[scissorhands]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8545698/Legal-drugs-wreck-family

Legal drugs wreck family
'I just hope one of them does not end up in a box'
Last updated 05:00 13/04/2013

Sue Eade, of Timaru, knows only too well how legal highs can wreck a family. Her two sons have used the legal substance K2 with disastrous consequences.
MYTCHALL BRANSGROVE
SHE UNDERSTANDS: Sue Eade, of Timaru, knows only too well how legal highs can wreck a family. Her two sons have used the legal substance K2 with disastrous consequences.

Timaru woman Sue Eade fears she will bury one of her sons.

That fear comes from seeing what legal highs have done to them and to her family. And now she wants to set up a support group to help other families affected by the drugs.

Her sons, aged 15 and 20, began using the legal high K2 last year. Since then she has seen the elder lose his dairy farm job as he was no longer reliable. This week she got the call to collect the 15-year-old from school as he was high on the legal drug.

She does not blame the employer or the school for the steps they took. She does blame the storeowners selling the synthetic cannabis.

"I bet they are not using it themselves or letting their children use it," she says of the store owners.

"They are hypocrites. They have no idea what it is doing. It does not matter whether it is legal or not.

"It is wrecking families," she said, explaining how her sons had taken items from the house to get cash to buy the highs.

"You go to get something and it is gone. I've had to put a lock on my (bedroom) door."

Last month the police called. The 15-year-old had been found comatose in Marchwiel Park.

The "mate" he had been smoking K2 with had left him there. Someone else found him and called the police. He was taken to hospital.

Medical staff at the hospital made it clear they were seeing similar cases "on a daily basis".

"He couldn't even walk. It took a nurse, my friend, and me, to get him into my vehicle."

Miss Eade spent the night checking him every hour, making sure he was in the recovery position in case he vomited and choked to death.

At least she knew where he was that night.

And this was a boy who was a top student in his first two years at high school. Earlier this year his science teacher told Miss Eade her son was in the top 1 per cent of students in that subject.

As of last Monday he is no longer welcome at school. He will not be allowed back until he tests clean. But he is not interested.

Attempts to reason with her sons have failed.

She has a very personal reason for fearing for her boys. Miss Eade understands the legal highs can cause kidney damage. She has hereditary kidney disease.

"I go through agony every day," she says of her condition, but even seeing their mother in such a state has not been enough to dissuade her boys from using.

"I just hope one of them does not end up in a box."

The legal highs have even affected her 11-year-old daughter. She used to love her big brothers. Now she hates them because of what they have done and the way they act. "It just tears you apart."

What the future holds for her sons, for her family, she does not know. But she does hope she can support other families who find themselves in similar situations. She has posted a link on the Facebook page Stop Legal Highs, inviting others to make contact.

Only those living through the hell the legal highs can cause can really understand, she says.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8545696/Mayor-Boycott-last-dope-dairies

Mayor: Boycott last dope dairies
RHONDA MARKBY
Last updated 05:00 13/04/2013


An angry mayor is calling on the Timaru community to boycott three dairies which are still selling legal highs.

Mayor Janie Annear was ropeable to learn On the Spot at the corner of Trafalgar and Evans streets, Corner Convenience on Arthur St and the Wai-iti Rd Food Market were still selling the synthetic highs.

"All three have lied to me on more than one occasion. I am extremely disappointed and incredibly sad that they continue to sell poison in our community, to our young people. They know these are extremely dangerous and highly addictive."

The shopkeepers knew sales would become illegal when the Psychoactive Substances Bill got through parliament, and were "totally driven by profit", she said.

"Obviously these dairies don't feel good about it as they are lying. If you care about our young people you should not reward these people who know what they are doing is wrong and dangerous. . . . I am saying don't shop at those dairies. I will not be shopping at those dairies."

Mrs Annear had been sent catalogue that showed items, including hookah pipes for smoking synthetic highs, and she feared they would be next on sale.

Mrs Annear said it was up to the community to make a stand.

"I have heard of kids [in Timaru aged under 18] who are now addicted, and they reckon you only have to smoke it on three occasions. They are now supporting $20 to $40 a day habits.

"Once they have finished stealing from their parents, where are they going to get the money to continue this habit?"

Mrs Annear said people rang her all the time about the legal highs issue.

"I have probably had 10 people approach me and they are saying it is just the most insidious situation and our young kids are in a situation of extreme risk."

She was concerned that the long-term effects of the legal highs were not known yet. Health professionals felt that because young people's brains were still developing, they risked long-term psychosis.

Dairies in Geraldine and Pleasant Point have never stocked the legal highs. A Temuka dairy that had, was no longer doing so.

[Genie]

Sobering reading for a Sunday morning.

Sadly, those that need to see, will remain blind.
Those that need to hear, will remain deaf.

The message cannot ever get through to those who do not want to change.
The potters will smoke, the alkies will drink, they see no need to change, they see no way to change.
Instead, they would like to convince the world to join them so they will not be alone in their pain, for pain is all that can be garnered from the use of alcohol and drugs.
(To the excess, if one wishes to take me literally)

[Edbear]

Whoops. Must'ave been pissed again.

Hmmm... "Hello, my name is Blackdog and I'm a....":lol:

[Edbear]

Sobering reading for a Sunday morning.

Sadly, those that need to see, will remain blind.
Those that need to hear, will remain deaf.

The message cannot ever get through to those who do not want to change.
The potters will smoke, the alkies will drink, they see no need to change, they see no way to change.
Instead, they would like to convince the world to join them so they will not be alone in their pain, for pain is all that can be garnered from the use of alcohol and drugs.
(To the excess, if one wishes to take me literally)

I also noted she blamed the shops that sell it... :weird:

[PrincessBandit]

Sobering reading for a Sunday morning.

Sadly, those that need to see, will remain blind.
Those that need to hear, will remain deaf.

The message cannot ever get through to those who do not want to change.
The potters will smoke, the alkies will drink, they see no need to change, they see no way to change.
Instead, they would like to convince the world to join them so they will not be alone in their pain, for pain is all that can be garnered from the use of alcohol and drugs.
(To the excess, if one wishes to take me literally)

And those people generally fall into one of two camps: (1) "it will never happen to me" (remember that childish reasoning, right up there with the other one of "I can't see you therefore you can't see me), or (2) "I don't give a furry fat rat's arse what you think because it's my life, you can't tell me what to do and it' s none of your business anyway".

[Woodman]

I also noted she blamed the shops that sell it... :weird:

Would she blame a liquor store if her son purchased a bottle of Vodka and skulled it in one go and died? probly not. Stupid woman.

[PrincessBandit]

I also noted she blamed the shops that sell it... :weird:

Businesses are only ever interested in the bottom line of profit. Doesn't matter what it is they're selling; legal or not, harmful or not. They rely on people needing their hit in order to make their $ and profit. Not unlike other sectors of society whose only interest is their own material gain at the expense of other peoples' misery, pain and heartache.

Those who can handle their grog, smokes etc would feel aggrieved if their source was stopped on account of those who can't. Personal choice is a double edged sword.

[Madness]

Hmmm... "Hello, my name is Blackdog and I'm a....":lol:

Homo.

Nah, he's a good cunt really.

[SMOKEU]

"I have heard of kids [in Timaru aged under 18] who are now addicted, and they reckon you only have to smoke it on three occasions. They are now supporting $20 to $40 a day habits.


People need to learn to take some fucking responsibility for their actions. The parents who wank on about this crap are only teaching their kids that there's no need for personal responsibility, then they wonder why they turn out so fucked up.

[blue rider]

The lady in the article does however forget to mentions how she is lucky that her sons are not being criminalised by the use of K2. Which means she could/can go to see a doctor and have the addiction of her sons treated as a medical issue and not treated as a criminal issue.

The big omission in the article is why do her boys feel the need to "escape" the real world....consuming any mind altering substance to the point of loosing ones job, and being suspended from school, points to larger issues.

If it would not be K2, these geezers would drink. She is lucky that it is K2 and it is still legal, instead of it being P and her boys going to the local Gang for their shopping.

[scissorhands]

Its disappointing no one differentiates between a safe substance and a unsafe one.

None of my weed smoking friends would go near the legal alternative, because it is very harmful

Yet, none of the above do gooders tsk tsking away.....are able to perceive this fact due to their own emotive bias.

It appears cannabis and synthetic cannabis is the same thing to the uninformed and those biased to make incorrect connections based on a name only.

Synthetic cannabis is not cannabis at all. It is very harmful. The real thing which is illegal, is safe

Can no one see the hypocrisy of the state and those pushing their anti cannabis barrows, based on the stories of woe around the unsafe legal version sold in shops?

I'm disappointed at the lack of logic. I guess thats why the world is going down the gurgler.... lack of good thinking.

Regarding the woman in the article, rather than looking within for her sons behaviours she is shifting blame. Bit like those comments above:msn-wink:

[scissorhands]

If it would not be K2, these geezers would drink. She is lucky that it is K2 and it is still legal, instead of it being P and her boys going to the local Gang for their shopping.

P would be safer for their body and mind than synthetic highs, and would leave less damage once stopped.

My doctor wants me to go on amphetamine cause of ADHD......

no one can think right here?

[blue rider]

P would be safer for their body and mind than synthetic highs, and would leave less damage once stopped.

My doctor wants me to go on amphetamine cause of ADHD......

no one can think right here?

you missed the point mate, being

the mother of the 15 year old can seek health advise without fearing that coopers will show up on the doorstep for a bit of a chat and a look around.


This is the one big difference between legal and not legal.


Any substance if consumed without moderation and consideration can be harmful. Also what works for you might raise paranoia in someone else.

[Mushu]

Funnily enough it is only on KB and only a very few here who seem to feel afflicted by my presence. Maybe it is a self-esteem issue with them? :msn-wink:

More than a few on KB. Its got nothing to do with self eseem, more to do with your bullshit attitude, popped many pills today?

Ed, nobody cares about your sob story why you don't ride, why don't you go back to one of those other social network sites where you claim to be well respected, cos you just talk a ton of shit here.

On another note, I threw my Thai High/ K2 stash out the window the other night, not liking the effect it has, won't be going there again.
Wish I could get away with smoking some real shit. I would tend to agree that even P isn't as bad for you as the legal highs

[Edbear]

More than a few on KB. Its got nothing to do with self eseem, more to do with your bullshit attitude, popped many pills today?

Ed, nobody cares about your sob story why you don't ride, why don't you go back to one of those other social network sites where you claim to be well respected, cos you just talk a ton of shit here.

On another note, I threw my Thai High/ K2 stash out the window the other night, not liking the effect it has, won't be going there again.
Wish I could get away with smoking some real shit. I would tend to agree that even P isn't as bad for you as the legal highs

Another sad sack who talks in absolutes and claims to speak for everybody... :yawn:

You carry on with your addiction to mind altering substances, at least they keep you happy and give you a fulfilling and purposeful life... :zzzz:

[bogan]

I think I see whats going on here. In a one of a kind reaction, the massive amounts or irony in this thread have formed a stable, self sustaining reaction, that may never run out.

[SMOKEU]

The lady in the article does however forget to mentions how she is lucky that her sons are not being criminalised by the use of K2. Which means she could/can go to see a doctor and have the addiction of her sons treated as a medical issue and not treated as a criminal issue.



If a patient admits to consuming illegal drugs, then a medical doctor or other healthcare professional is legally forbidden from informing police about it. It's all about patient confidentiality, so any illegal drug use is treated as a medical issue, not a criminal one by the healthcare system.

[scumdog]

It appears cannabis and synthetic cannabis is the same thing to the uninformed and those biased to make incorrect connections based on a name only.

Synthetic cannabis is not cannabis at all. It is very harmful. The real thing which is illegal, is safe



So true scissorhand - why the hell it is referred to as '"synthetic CANNABIS" I do not know - it's just chemical junk that has been soaked into some sort of shredded vegetable matter (or even paper).

There is nothing cannabis about it at all...all older regular users of cannabis I've spoken to won't touch the stuff - well not more than once.

[blue rider]

So true scissorhand - why the hell it is referred to as '"synthetic CANNABIS" I do not know - it's just chemical junk that has been soaked into some sort of shredded vegetable matter (or even paper).

There is nothing cannabis about it at all...all older regular users of cannabis I've spoken to won't touch the stuff - well not more than once.

don't blame peeps for it ....they have not invented the term. No proper user of cannabis will use K2 and the likes because they now it is not the real deal. However for some, smoking K2 is just a legal alternative to Cannabis.

They use it because it is legal.

[blue rider]

If a patient admits to consuming illegal drugs, then a medical doctor or other healthcare professional is legally forbidden from informing police about it. It's all about patient confidentiality, so any illegal drug use is treated as a medical issue, not a criminal one by the healthcare system.

this might as it be....but dobbers in are well alive and kicking.
And a great many will not get the health advise/health care etc because they are afraid going to a hospital and admitting to having taking illegal substances....., also proper rehabilitation for many is not easy to get.

Disclosure; My grandmother buried two of her 5 sons to drug overdoses (this was in the early eighties and the other kicked the bucked end of 90's after almost 30 years in the scene. I know what drugs can do, and I also know how irrational people on drugs, especially heavy users and properly addicted ones will react if you point out their issues.
One died of liver cirrhosis and one of standard cancer.

Funny the only one of her sons that is still alive is the alcoholic.....:shutup:

[Akzle]

Hmmm... "Hello, my name is Blackdog and I'm a...."
white cat.

The big omission in the article is why do her boys feel the need to "escape" the real world....consuming any mind altering substance to the point of loosing ones job, and being suspended from school, points to larger issues.
they are in timaru...

I'm disappointed at the lack of logic. I guess thats why the world is going down the gurgler.... lack of good any* thinking.


I think I see whats going on here. In a one of a kind reaction, the massive amounts or irony in this thread have formed a stable, self sustaining reaction, that may never run out.
oi. quit it with the physics shit or this thread will get PDd. :yes:

[Katman]

Its disappointing no one differentiates between a safe substance and a unsafe one.

None of my weed smoking friends would go near the legal alternative, because it is very harmful

Yet, none of the above do gooders tsk tsking away.....are able to perceive this fact due to their own emotive bias.

It appears cannabis and synthetic cannabis is the same thing to the uninformed and those biased to make incorrect connections based on a name only.

Synthetic cannabis is not cannabis at all. It is very harmful. The real thing which is illegal, is safe

Can no one see the hypocrisy of the state and those pushing their anti cannabis barrows, based on the stories of woe around the unsafe legal version sold in shops?

I'm disappointed at the lack of logic. I guess thats why the world is going down the gurgler.... lack of good thinking.

Regarding the woman in the article, rather than looking within for her sons behaviours she is shifting blame. Bit like those comments above:msn-wink:

Quoted 'cos some people on here need to read it again.

[Mushu]

Another sad sack who talks in absolutes and claims to speak for everybody... :yawn:

You carry on with your addiction to mind altering substances, at least they keep you happy and give you a fulfilling and purposeful life... :zzzz:

Funnily enough your first paragraph seems to apply to you as much as I.

My addiction, lol, actually I haven't smoked pot in almost 3 months. Since then I have smoked a couple of packs of the legal stuff (never again) and have increased my alcohol intake considerably but even then I'm drinking very little, would never drive after more than 1 beer and wouldn't go anywhere near my bikes with any alcohol at all in my system. Can't seem to kick the nicotine or caffeine habits though.

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[Edbear]

Funnily enough your first paragraph seems to apply to you as much as I.

My addiction, lol, actually I haven't smoked pot in almost 3 months. Since then I have smoked a couple of packs of the legal stuff (never again) and have increased my alcohol intake considerably but even then I'm drinking very little, would never drive after more than 1 beer and wouldn't go anywhere near my bikes with any alcohol at all in my system. Can't seem to kick the nicotine or caffeine habits though.

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Feel free to quote me anywhere I have done so. :yes:

[Mushu]

Feel free to quote me anywhere I have done so. :yes:

Absolutes, what about most of your posts which insinuate us 'dope smokers' are nothing but junkies.

How about you quote a post where I claim to speak for everyone. While you claim to be well respected by all but a very few of us, seems to me like you speak for the vast majority, or atleast think you do.

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[Katman]

While you claim to be well respected by all but a very few of us, seems to me like you speak for the vast majority, or atleast think you do.



It's Ed's idea of witnessing.

[Edbear]

Absolutes, what about most of your posts which insinuate us 'dope smokers' are nothing but junkies.

How about you quote a post where I claim to speak for everyone. While you claim to be well respected by all but a very few of us, seems to me like you speak for the vast majority, or atleast think you do.

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More than a few on KB. Its got nothing to do with self eseem, more to do with your bullshit attitude, popped many pills today?

Ed, nobody cares about your sob story why you don't ride, why don't you go back to one of those other social network sites where you claim to be well respected, cos you just talk a ton of shit here.

On another note, I threw my Thai High/ K2 stash out the window the other night, not liking the effect it has, won't be going there again.
Wish I could get away with smoking some real shit. I would tend to agree that even P isn't as bad for you as the legal highs

So no quotes then... :zzzz: Why is it that without exception, every time a member is challenged to back their statements about me with, you know, anything like facts, or quotes, they never do? :violin:

I know who red reps me, I read the comments in threads, and I get a lot of PM's. Sorry if I take note of actual reality rather than prejudiced fantasy.

[Mushu]

So no quotes then... :zzzz: Why is it that without exception, every time a member is challenged to back their statements about me with, you know, anything like facts, or quotes, they never do? :violin:

I know who red reps me, I read the comments in threads, and I get a lot of PM's. Sorry if I take note of actual reality rather than prejudiced fantasy.

Nobody quotes you because it's not worth my time to go back and find the posts, when they add a search for dumb shit option maybe they will. I've never given anybody red rep and I don't care how many PMs you get nor do I care about your distorted, opiate hazed view of reality. This thread makes me wanna smoke a joint.

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[SMOKEU]

Ed - you really need to spark up a cone. ASAP. It's a good combo with opioids.

[bogan]

Why is it that without exception, every time a member is challenged to back their statements about me with, you know, anything like facts, or quotes, they never do? :violin:

Its cos you write a metric shit-tonne of drivel to sift through, then hide behind the whole you've misinterpretted it thing when some people bother to.

Btw, you might find madness's sig is an exception...

[Edbear]

Nobody quotes you because it's not worth my time to go back and find the posts, when they add a search for dumb shit option maybe they will. I've never given anybody red rep and I don't care how many PMs you get nor do I care about your distorted, opiate hazed view of reality. This thread makes me wanna smoke a joint.

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Ha ha! Tui ad here! How dumb do you have to be to post crap about someone and think you can convince people you actually have a point when you can't back it up?


Ed - you really need to spark up a cone. ASAP. It's a good combo with opioids.

This is much more fun, seeing idiots shoot themselves in the foot.


Its cos you write a metric shit-tonne of drivel to sift through, then hide behind the whole you've misinterpretted it thing when some people bother to.

Btw, you might find madness's sig is an exception...

Feel free to quote me....

Madness uses selective and out of context "quoting" and anyone wanting the full story need only click on them to find the full facts. But of course the only people who bother are this without an agenda.

Resorting to slander, and personal abuse when challenged fools only the idiots posting the crap. Such is the fragility of their egos and low level of their self esteem they are incapable of either intelligent thought or humour. Still, gives us something to chuckle over, at least until their lameness becomes boring and repetitive. Then I just ignore them again.

Surely must be about time to PD this thread?

[SMOKEU]

This is much more fun, seeing idiots shoot themselves in the foot.


Come on man, don't be a sad cunt. You know you want to spark up a sly one. It can be our little secret. ;)

[Madness]

Madness uses selective and out of context "quoting" and anyone wanting the full story need only click on them to find the full facts. But of course the only people who bother are this without an agenda.

Yes, I am selective when I quote your posts. I do this for the good of the other members who shouldn't be exposed to the drivel you're happy to spout once, let alone twice. Unfortuantely no amount of context will reveal the full facts to show you as any less of a twit that you are.


Surely must be about time to PD this thread?

Why? Because you're being called out as a mis-informed hypocrite on the subject matter? Surely not, Ed.

[Edbear]

Yes, I am selective when I quote your posts. I do this for the good of the other members who shouldn't be exposed to the drivel you're happy to spout once, let alone twice. Unfortuantely no amount of context will reveal the full facts to show you as any less of a twit that you are.

Why? Because you're being called out as a mis-informed hypocrite on the subject matter? Surely not, Ed.

Okay I take it back, you are funny, in that sad pathetic way of others here. :facepalm:

You too, cannot point to anything I have posted and show it to be misinformed or hypocritical. True to form you simply resort to more name-calling and bluster. You are now fully qualified as an idiot worthy of ignoring. :whocares:

[Madness]

You too, cannot point to anything I have posted and show it to be misinformed or hypocritical. True to form you simply resort to more name-calling and bluster. You are now fully qualified as an idiot worthy of ignoring. :whocares:

You're a cock Ed.

[SMOKEU]

Fight, fight, fight!

[bogan]

Madness uses selective and out of context "quoting" and anyone wanting the full story need only click on them to find the full facts. But of course the only people who bother are this without an agenda.

That being the whole point of referenced quotes. Here's what we mean, you ask for quotes, then discount with bullshit reasons as soon as they are pointed out to you.

[scissorhands]

When I google 'cannabis nz', which I usually search at least once a week, now, google throws up this KB thread.

Ed is getting world famous in nz.
At least the KB dirty laundry:wacko: is getting a good airing

[Edbear]

That being the whole point of referenced quotes. Here's what we mean, you ask for quotes, then discount with bullshit reasons as soon as they are pointed out to you.

Quoting in context is one thing, quoting out of context to ridicule is transparent to anyone with an IQ over 65. As I said, those who want the full story need only click on the quote to get it.

What's so hard about that? :wacko:


When I google 'cannabis nz', which I usually search at least once a week, now, google throws up this KB thread.

Ed is getting world famous in nz.
At least the KB dirty laundry is getting a good airing

You'd be surprised how often KB threads some up in searches on a variety of topics. :yes:

[Edbear]

Fight, fight, fight!

It's no fight when my opponents are unarmed and blind. All they have is bluster and name-calling, hardly worthwhile, really... :whocares:

[bogan]

Quoting in context is one thing, quoting out of context to ridicule is transparent to anyone with an IQ over 65. As I said, those who want the full story need only click on the quote to get it.

Reality check Ed, people do click the link and read the context, they still think you're a hypocrite; your insults and assertions to the contrary are worthless.

[Edbear]

Reality check Ed, people do click the link and read the context, they still think you're a hypocrite; your insults and assertions to the contrary are worthless.

Only to a few, mate, only to a few. And they aren't interested in anything but getting at me anyway so they don't count. Especially in the light of their dismal failure to back themselves up. As I said, all they have is ridicule and bluster and name -calling, so how could anyone take them seriously? :whocares:

IMHO of course... ;)

[bogan]

Only to a few, mate, only to a few. And they aren't interested in anything but getting at me anyway so they don't count. Especially in the light of their dismal failure to back themselves up. As I said, all they have is ridicule and bluster and name -calling, so how could anyone take them seriously? :whocares:

IMHO of course... ;)

Geez no wonder everyone agrees with you when you ignore those who don't!

Seems to me all those things apply to you as well, especially the dismal failure to back yourself up...

[Edbear]

Geez no wonder everyone agrees with you when you ignore those who don't!

Seems to me all those things apply to you as well, especially the dismal failure to back yourself up...

I always back myself, or did you miss the link I posted earlier? A few read it and agreed with it, my opponents as usual ignored it.

As I said, every time they are challenged directly to either quote me and/or prove my posts wrong they decline to do so, knowing they cannot. How can I take them seriously? They are simply idiots with an agenda that does not include anything like facts or even reality. As I have repeatedly observed, all they have is name-calling and baseless vitriol.

[scumdog]

At least the KB dirty laundry:wacko: is getting a good airing

My thought too.:pinch:


But who cares - let the ranting slaggers contnue to rant and slag...:yawn:

[bogan]

I always back myself, or did you miss the link I posted earlier? A few read it and agreed with it, my opponents as usual ignored it.

As I said, every time they are challenged directly to either quote me and/or prove my posts wrong they decline to do so, knowing they cannot. How can I take them seriously? They are simply idiots with an agenda that does not include anything like facts or even reality. As I have repeatedly observed, all they have is name-calling and baseless vitriol.

Here's a task for you then, back up you assertions on that second paragraph; emphasis on the every, I don't want just a few hand-picked examples.

[Madness]

...baseless vitriol.

Baseless my arse.

[Edbear]

Here's a task for you then, back up you assertions on that second paragraph; emphasis on the every, I don't want just a few hand-picked examples.

Do you not read the threads? If you can't be bothered to, why should I go back over them and repost what has already been posted for all to see? All you need to do is read this one for a typical example. Don't be lazy! :yes:


Baseless my arse.

So it is... :innocent:

[bogan]

Do you not read the threads? If you can't be bothered to, why should I go back over them and repost what has already been posted for all to see? All you need to do is read this one for a typical example. Don't be lazy! :yes:

Do you always back out of backing yourself in such a half-assed manner?

[Banditbandit]

Funnily enough your first paragraph seems to apply to you as much as I.

My addiction, lol, actually I haven't smoked pot in almost 3 months. Since then I have smoked a couple of packs of the legal stuff (never again) and have increased my alcohol intake considerably but even then I'm drinking very little, would never drive after more than 1 beer and wouldn't go anywhere near my bikes with any alcohol at all in my system. Can't seem to kick the nicotine or caffeine habits though.

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You're just swapping one addiction for the other ...

How do you know when you are co-dependent?

JUst before you die someone else's life flashes before your eyes ..

(addicts joke ...)

[Mushu]

You're just swapping one addiction for the other ...

How do you know when you are co-dependent?

JUst before you die someone else's life flashes before your eyes ..

(addicts joke ...)

maybe I am swapping one addiction for another, but I wouldn't allow myself to become addicted to alcohol again (as I was in my teens) for the same reason I gave it up last time, on the day I got my license I decided I'd rather drive than drink, in the last 3 months I've had 10 beers and half a bottle of whiskey not exactly enough to be labeled an addict.

As I said in an earlier post, I wouldn't get on a bike after even one drink so I only tend to have a drink when I'm at home at the very end of the day and then only one and not every day.

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[Mushu]

Do you not read the threads? If you can't be bothered to, why should I go back over them and repost what has already been posted for all to see? All you need to do is read this one for a typical example. Don't be lazy! :yes:



So it is... :innocent:

Funny how you expect us to dredge through all the shit you've posted for examples of your crap, knowing that you'll hide behind the context defense when you can't even be bothered to do it to defend yourself, you have been called on your hypocracy over and over, specifically the fact that you claim to be unaffected by opiods and okay to drive while using them, which is an argument I have heard several times from alcoholics.

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[bogan]

maybe I am swapping one addiction for another

Speaking of which, I'm addicted to brake fluid, but I can stop any time I want :killingme



that one never gets old :D

[blackdog]

Speaking of which, I'm addicted to brake fluid, but I can stop any time I want :killingme



that one never gets old :D

Just heard about a guy caught drinking battery acid after breaking into a workshop.

Police are going to charge him.

[Akzle]

Fight, fight, fight!

i have a tarp, two bikins and 100lbs of jello.

(i'm fairly sure it was left over from that same night in hamilton...)

[Virago]

Feel free to quote me anywhere I have done so. :yes:

Do you not read the threads? If you can't be bothered to, why should we go back over them and repost what has already been posted for all to see?

[Usarka]

Do you not read the threads? If you can't be bothered to, why should we go back over them and repost what has already been posted for all to see?

Denial.....

[Edbear]

Denial.....

I stand behind my challenge.

[Edbear]

Funny how you expect us to dredge through all the shit you've posted for examples of your crap, knowing that you'll hide behind the context defense when you can't even be bothered to do it to defend yourself, you have been called on your hypocracy over and over, specifically the fact that you claim to be unaffected by opiods and okay to drive while using them, which is an argument I have heard several times from alcoholics.

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Funnier that you don't actually read anything before posting crap. I immediately challenge you lot to back your stupid assertions and name-calling with fact. The posts you comment on were only a few posts back each time, if not the immediately previous post. Each and every time you lot fail!

So having discredited yourselves repeatedly and showing how lamely stupid you wish to be seen as, I can ignore you.

[Madness]

...I stand behind my challenge.

...I can ignore you.

I bet you can't.

[Madness]

281403

This is interesting. http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/index-group-5230417

Video link -> http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/expert-we-should-legalise-all-drugs-video-5407354

[Virago]

281403

This is interesting. http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/index-group-5230417

To be fair, you would have to be stoned to last through an episode of Seven Sharp, so hardly a balanced poll. :shutup:

[Madness]

To be fair, you would have to be stoned to last through an episode of Seven Sharp, so hardly a balanced poll. :shutup:

MySky. You can fast forward, pause & then delete the fuck out of Greg Boyed at will.


Why don't you spend a few nights with the Cops on the beat and the ER's at the hospitals, talk to Drs. and surgeons, Paramedics, you know the one's who KNOW about things first hand?

I haven't yet spent a night out on the town with the popo or in A&E but I found this site and wondered if this is what you were meaning?

http://www.leap.cc/

You should research it Ed & let us know what you think.

[Usarka]

I haven't yet spent a night out on the town with the popo or in A&E but I found this site and wondered if this is what you were meaning?

http://www.leap.cc/

You should research it Ed & let us know what you think.

Don't be a dick. Spending time in hospital and having along in a ride in a police car provide all the information you need to make an informed judgement.

[Madness]

Don't be a dick. Spending time in hospital and having along in a ride in a police car provide all the information you need to make an informed judgement.

Don't be a bastard. It's painfully clear thet Ed is doing his vewy vewy best to ignore some of us and here you are baiting him with what appears to be support for his point of view.

[bogan]

Funnier that you don't actually read anything before posting crap. I immediately challenge you lot to back your stupid assertions and name-calling with fact. The posts you comment on were only a few posts back each time, if not the immediately previous post. Each and every time you lot fail!

Ok, now I'm sure you're just a run of the mill troll with nothing better to do, cos nobody could be that hypocritical by accident! My advice is to reconsider that approach since you're also trying to sell things through this site, and being a troll does not reflect well on you for that.

[Katman]

Let's do a count... There's you, madness, Katman, imdying, and pussy, so that makes five. Of you lot, Katman and imdying are the most pathetic, closely followed by pussy.

Some like to poke the borax or troll, but only Katman, imdying and pussy seem genuinely nasty.

I'm truly flattered Ed.

Truth is, I think your world of puffed up self-righteousness has been rocked by the fact that some of us see through your bullshit and recognise your hollowness - and you're scared that others will start to see it as well.

Believe me, it's happening Ed.

[bogan]

Don't be a dick. Spending time in hospital and having along in a ride in a police car provide all the information you need to make an informed judgement.

Exactly, just like judging NZ's average IQ by asking 'people' in gore to recite the times tables... It's just more efficient to take a sample, and always more efficient to take the sample form the same place!

[Edbear]

Ok, now I'm sure you're just a run of the mill troll with nothing better to do, cos nobody could be that hypocritical by accident! My advice is to reconsider that approach since you're also trying to sell things through this site, and being a troll does not reflect well on you for that.

I say what I mean and I post links to support. If you can't see clearly when the idiots post baseless verbiage and my immediate response to get them to back it up with facts, and their immediate response consisting of a refusal along with name-calling and ridicule, you seriously need to open your eyes.

All you have to do is go through this thread yourself. Don't you sink to their level.

[Edbear]

PS.

While some use misquoting and out of context quoting, only Katman seems so far to resort to blatant lying.

I guess that means he wins in the stupid stakes.

[bogan]

I say what I mean and I post links to support. If you can't see clearly when the idiots post baseless verbiage and my immediate response to get them to back it up with facts, and their immediate response consisting of a refusal along with name-calling and ridicule, you seriously need to open your eyes.

All you have to do is go through this thread yourself. Don't you sink to their level.

Dude, the jig is up, we know you're a troll. You don't need to resort to misdirection and insults to try and keep the arguments going around in circles.

Also, didn't trolls used to be more entertaining? Whatever happened to the humorous side of trolling? now its all about getting a reaction and post counts :yawn:

[Katman]

I say what I mean and I post links to support. If you can't see clearly when the idiots post baseless verbiage and my immediate response to get them to back it up with facts, and their immediate response consisting of a refusal along with name-calling and ridicule, you seriously need to open your eyes.

All you have to do is go through this thread yourself. Don't you sink to their level.

For every link that you believe supports your case there's links posted that support the other side.

Have you read through the link that Madness posted above?

[Katman]

PS.
While some use misquoting and out of context quoting, only Katman seems so far to resort to blatant lying.


Really?

Care to be more specific?

[bogan]

Really?

Care to be more specific?

Of course he would, after all, Ed always backs himself with facts :rolleyes:

[Edbear]

Really?

Care to be more specific?

R u for real? Checked your sig lately? :blink:

[Katman]

R u for real? Checked your sig lately? :blink:

They're not my words Ed - they're yours.

[blackdog]

They're not my words Ed - they're yours.

I do believe the pharmaceuticals have addled his recollection!

[Edbear]

They're not my words Ed - they're yours.

You mean you confirm you lie? Your second quote..? :wacko:

[blackdog]

You mean you confirm you lie? Your second quote..? :wacko:

Going back for a quick edit now Ed?

As far as I can determine that is exactly what you posted.

[Katman]

You mean you confirm you lie? Your second quote..? :wacko:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/127607-In-the-Zone?p=1129841380#post1129841380

It's those drugs you're on Ed - they've fried your brain.

[Madness]

Please read my link Ed, I'd appreciate your input here.

[blackdog]

Please read my link Ed, I'd appreciate your input here.

Let's not hold our breath aye? I mean has there ever been evidence to the contrary that Ed would ever consider a position other than his own?

[Edbear]

Whoah, major backpedal coming up. I just checked the quote and it was taken from another thread completely unrelated to this one. The thread was about being in the zone and about riding bikes.

Congratulations on your diligence in searching for something completely unrelated, take it way out of context and make scurrilous inferences in a thread about drugs... :yes:

So I retract in sackcloth and ashes and freely apologise to Katman.

[Madness]

Let's not hold our breath aye? I mean has there ever been evidence to the contrary that Ed would ever consider a position other than his own?

There's no rush. I think Katmans apology should come first.

Edit: Fuck me! /Edit

[scissorhands]

Ok, now I'm sure you're just a run of the mill troll with nothing better to do, cos nobody could be that hypocritical by accident! My advice is to reconsider that approach since you're also trying to sell things through this site, and being a troll does not reflect well on you for that.

gold, bling time

[blackdog]

There's no rush. I think Katmans apology should come first.

We might go blue waiting for that too.

Edit: Holy shit, I never thought I'd see the day. Having said that it kinda gets spoiled after the apology part. You said it Ed. End of.

[Katman]

Whoah, major backpedal coming up. I just checked the quote and it was taken from another thread completely unrelated to this one. The thread was about being in the zone and about riding bikes.....


.....and that you were zoned out on drugs.

See the connection now?

[Edbear]

.....and that you were zoned out on drugs.

See the connection now?

Contrary to the beliefs of some, I have a sense of humour and that post was in lighthearted jest. At that time my pain levels were extremely high and I had to take max dose. Those times I have to go to bed. I don't go out of the house even as a passenger unless absolutely necessary.

[blackdog]

Contrary to the beliefs of some, I have a sense of humour and that post was in lighthearted jest. At that time my pain levels were extremely high and I had to take max dose. Those times I have to go to bed. I don't go out of the house even as a passenger unless absolutely necessary.

So it's ok to drive on some Tramadol but not alot? And unlike the rest of us who can't tell if we have had too much of anything or not, you can (again see Madness' sig for quote)?

Are we ringing any bells here? Because you are ringing alarms for alot of us.

[scissorhands]

and look how he has brought you all together
see, he is a man of god
God bless you Edbear

[Madness]

and look how he has brought you all together
see, he is a man of god
God bless you Edbear

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/azYHw1Fh4z8/hqdefault.jpg

[Virago]

...they are challenged directly to either quote me...

Okay, I'll quote you.


...the idiots post baseless verbiage and my immediate response to get them to back it up with facts, and their immediate response consisting of a refusal along with name-calling and ridicule...

Name calling and ridicule, eh?


...Another sad sack...


...You are now fully qualified as an idiot...


...They are simply idiots...


...I guess that means he wins in the stupid stakes...


...the idiots post...


...you don't have the brains...

Ah, yes - name calling and ridicule. And that's just from the last couple of days.


...cannot point to anything I have posted and show it to be misinformed or hypocritical...

Game, set, and match.

[Edbear]

So it's ok to drive on some Tramadol but not alot? And unlike the rest of us who can't tell if we have had too much of anything or not, you can (again see Madness' sig for quote)?

Are we ringing any bells here? Because you are ringing alarms for alot of us.

That was a combination of different painkillers. Tramadol was not enough in those times. I made the comment earlier about morphine and that if I was in that much pain I would be in no fit state to drive. Try to keep up...

[Edbear]

Okay, I'll quote you.

Name calling and ridicule, eh?

Ah, yes - name calling and ridicule. And that's just from the last couple of days.

Game, set, and match.

Here we see the master of taking quotes well out of context...

[Edbear]

I will go through the link but only because you said please... :innocent: I also sawSeven Sharp this evening.

I might have to post tomorrow though as it is getting past my bedtime. I have had a very busy day and have only so much energy to spend.

[Virago]

Here we see the master of taking quotes well out of context...

So all your name calling and ridicule is just "out of context" then?

[blackdog]

That was a combination of different painkillers. Tramadol was not enough in those times. I made the comment earlier about morphine and that if I was in that much pain I would be in no fit state to drive. Try to keep up...

So you are standing by you're ascertation that you are able to determine what drugs and dosages you are fit to drive on.

Sounds like I am right up with the play.

[Edbear]

So all your name calling and ridicule is just "out of context" then?

Please convince us you are more intelligent than that.

[bogan]

Here we see the master of taking quotes well out of context...

Oh I see, this troll is operating under the assumption that anything which is not in agreement with his opinion should be ignored, and thus is not in context. I'd find the quote but if you'd been reading the thread you'd realise the context of it is stuck so far up his arse its tickling tonsils.

[Edbear]

So you are standing by you're ascertation that you are able to determine what drugs and dosages you are fit to drive on.

Sounds like I am right up with the play.

Only if you ignore most of my posts relating to that

[Katman]

Someone better call the Damage Control Team.

[Edbear]

Oh I see, this troll is operating under the assumption that anything which is not in agreement with his opinion should be ignored, and thus is not in context. I'd find the quote but if you'd been reading the thread you'd realise the context of it is stuck so far up his arse its tickling tonsils.

Obviously you haven't read the thread or you'd know what you were talking about.

[blackdog]

Only if you ignore most of my posts relating to that

Ah! So you aren't qualified to determine what drugs and dosages you are fit to drive on. Or is there a third option I am unaware of?

[bogan]

Obviously you haven't read the thread or you'd know what you were talking about.

Here's a new game, lets commentary the troll's tactics:

And now, I'll ignore your point by tasking you with a lengthy and boring errand which I know you'll never complete; I just hope they don't remember I often refuse such errands myself otherwise they might realise I'm very hypocritical

[Virago]

Please convince us you are more intelligent than that.

The anticipated reply with ridicule, without answering the question. I repeat, are the above quotes of name calling and ridicule out of context? In what way?

[Edbear]

Someone better call the Damage Control Team.

Some should take a deep breath and re-read the thread, this time the actual words written. Sadly for such ones they keep demonstrating their inability to understand plain English.

[Madness]

Game, set, and match.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/06/29/1225885/473168-jennifer-capriati-story-316x237-.jpg

Jennifer Maria Capriati (born March 29, 1976) is an American former World No. 1 professional tennis player, and the winner of three women's singles championships in Grand Slam tournaments. In 1994, at the age of 18, she was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of marijuana possession.

[Edbear]

The anticipated reply with ridicule, without answering the question. I repeat, are the above quotes of name calling and ridicule out of context? In what way?

You have tried this game several times in other threads, I'm not interested in playing. I know how you work and you are not worth my time.

[blackdog]

Sadly for such ones they keep demonstrating their inability to understand plain English.

More ridicule? Certainly not constructive. But hey, why let the truth get in the way of some good mud slinging.

[Edbear]

More ridicule? Certainly not constructive. But hey, why let the truth get in the way of some good mud slinging.

Just stating fact. But of course you aren't too concerned about being sure of your facts, are you?

[Madness]

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[Virago]

You have tried this game several times in other threads, I'm not interested in playing. I know how you work and you are not worth my time.

http://mercury.pr.erau.edu/~brownc6/sps/pics%20to%20go%20on%20website/not%20playing%20with%20you.jpg

Game, set and match.

[blackdog]

Just stating fact. But of course you aren't too concerned about being sure of your facts, are you?

Actually, just like the rest of us here you and I are only stating our opinions. Just because you believe something doesn't make it real Ed, regardless of how much you are convinced of that 'fact' yourself.

[Katman]

Just stating fact. But of course you aren't too concerned about being sure of your facts, are you?

What a short memory you have Ed.

[PrincessBandit]

[IMG]

ooooh, we now have cute sulking kitty cats in competition with the lesbians...

[Kickaha]

ooooh, we now have cute sulking kitty cats in competition with the lesbians...

Lesbians win,they'd win by more if they got their tits out

[Virago]

ooooh, we now have cute sulking kitty cats in competition with the lesbians...

And we've got Ed. That makes for a lot of pussies.

[Madness]

ooooh, we now have cute sulking kitty cats in competition with the lesbians...

No competition.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/c18.0.403.403/p403x403/404933_506159216092549_2093119145_n.jpg


Lesbians win,they'd win by more if they got their tits out

Jantar doesn't appreciate titties apparently. DAMHIK.

[bogan]

ooooh, we now have cute sulking kitty cats in competition with the lesbians...

Speaking of animals, and the subject matter at hand...

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[PrincessBandit]

Gee this thread has started a whole different life of its own. The fact that it's still going (and off the original OP anyway) means that participants must be getting some sort of weird enjoyment out of it. Otherwise it would shrivel, die and be buried, hopefully not to be granted resurrection.

[blackdog]

Gee this thread has started a whole different life of its own. The fact that it's still going (and off the original OP anyway) means that participants must be getting some sort of weird enjoyment out of it. Otherwise it would shrivel, die and be buried, hopefully not to be granted resurrection.

Since the dawn of time, the righteous have tried to convert the heathens. For our own good of course.

Now convert Ed, you heathen damnit.

Edit. I hope that doesn't count as lowering myself to the spineless depths of ridiculing or name calling. I'm trying so hard to hold the moral high ground there.

[Edbear]

What a short memory you have Ed.

No, but then I also read posts before responding to them. Your quote was from a thread nearly three years old and as I said, at that time I was pretty out if it in pain, wearing a brace and requiring a daily nurse....

Of course you may not be referring to that here, but still if anyone of my opponents tried to imitate the other members who do read and comprehend, they may yet gain some credibility.

When "haters" have no interest beyond ridicule and certainly no interest in discussing anything rationally, I have little time for them. These ones think they are clever so as long as they satiate their need to stroke their own egos, they can do it on their own.


Gee this thread has started a whole different life of its own. The fact that it's still going (and off the original OP anyway) means that participants must be getting some sort of weird enjoyment out of it. Otherwise it would shrivel, die and be buried, hopefully not to be granted resurrection.

If Madness is genuine in wanting my opinion on his posted link it will remain on topic and relevant. So I will give him the benefit of the doubt and post a reply once I have gone through it. Depending on his response I will either continue or leave the thread.

[Edbear]

More ridicule? Certainly not constructive. But hey, why let the truth get in the way of some good mud slinging.

What part of "they keep demonstrating" is so hard to understand?

[Madness]

If Madness is genuine in wanting my opinion on his posted link it will remain on topic and relevant. So I will give him the benefit of the doubt and post a reply once I have gone through it. Depending on his response I will either continue or leave the thread.

I'm genuinely wanting your opinion Ed. Please don't use that in a signature line, there's a good bloke.

[Virago]

...If Madness is genuine in wanting my opinion on his posted link it will remain on topic and relevant. So I will give him the benefit of the doubt and post a reply once I have gone through it. Depending on his response I will either continue or leave the thread.

Jeez, Madness - it's all down to you big fulla. Kia kaha, dude...

[Madness]

Jeez, Madness - it's all down to you big fulla. Kia kaha, dude...

It's a lot of pressure alright. Good thing I have some lovely fresh Cannabis to help me ease the stress.

[Pussy]

This is GREAT entertainment! Thanks for being such a bigotted fuckwit, ed... it provides a lot of fun! :)

[blackdog]

What part of "they keep demonstrating" is so hard to understand?

Now you are quoting the same post twice. Are you losing your faculties or having trouble keeping up through the drug induced haze?

[Virago]

Some should take a deep breath and re-read the thread, this time the actual words written. Sadly for such ones they keep demonstrating their inability to understand plain English.

Unfortunately for you, most of us understand English only too well. Sadly, when you are directly challenged on your use of it, you run away to sulk, and refuse to answer direct questions.

Self-superior and vague condescension is invariably the tactic employed by bigots when backed into a corner.

[Mushu]

Wow, something like 4 pages since I last checked this thread, and I'm starting to feel that I'm missing some of the fun (phone doesn't show peoples sigs) it seems ol' Ed doesn't seem to be getting any smarter or any more tolerant of others opinions, but I am loving how his opinion is automatically fact. (I see he's getting a pretty decent post count out of this thread though)


Funnier that you don't actually read anything before posting crap. I immediately challenge you lot to back your stupid assertions and name-calling with fact. The posts you comment on were only a few posts back each time, if not the immediately previous post. Each and every time you lot fail!

So having discredited yourselves repeatedly and showing how lamely stupid you wish to be seen as, I can ignore you.

I've read everything you have written in this thread Ed, it's so entertaining I wouldn't wanna miss any of your posts, once again you have been quoted over and over again as a hypocrite and a plain idiot, why would I waste my time going back looking at your old posts (much like any joke, you're only funny the first time) especially when I already know your reply, "blah blah context blah" or something along those lines, the only real disappointing part is that there are so many out there like you that the world is fucked no matter what happens.

On the other hand, I've said it before, don't ever change. You, Ed, are by far my favorite KB member, I don't think anybody else here could keep me so entertained for over a week now almost solo (whatever happened to Grubber anyway.) Edit: look at that, 2 weeks almost, how time flys.
Edit 2: removed religion reference in an effort to keep thread out of PD
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[scissorhands]

Its been an exercise in human nature
Ed's prolly a fairly decent person
Sort of neighbour who would be genuinely helpful
Cares for others...

Its just thye religious dogma
Arrogance
Misinformed self righteous outlook [of the holy]
Efforts to extract money from friends
via cheap Chinese shit

But mostly I worry about the children in bible class....

Hey Ed, did the brothers give you a comment??
re:

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition: LEAP
www.leap.cc/
Current and former members of law enforcement who support drug regulation rather than prohibition.

[Edbear]

One last sop to the idiots, before I ignore them completely. I have emphasised the relevant points.

In a vain attempt to put it in words even they could understand, I sum it up thus.

A/ I make a post.

B/ My idiot opposers attack me personally without addresing the point of the post and call me names and make stupid coments that are totally incorrect.

C/ I immediately challenge them to go over the post and show how it is wrong. They respond with more verbal abuse and decline to back themselves.

D/ I post a link pertinent to the thread topic.

E/ They either ignore it or respond with more personal abuse and name calling.

F/ I challenge them to address the link and show where it is incorrect.

G/ They respond with more verbal abuse and name-calling.

Get the pattern here? :yes:


Funnier that you don't actually read anything before posting crap. I immediately challenge you lot to back your stupid assertions and name-calling with fact. The posts you comment on were only a few posts back each time, if not the immediately previous post. Each and every time you lot fail!

So having discredited yourselves repeatedly and showing how lamely stupid you wish to be seen as, I can ignore you.



Resorting to slander, and personal abuse when challenged fools only the idiots posting the crap. Surely must be about time to PD this thread?


I always back myself, or did you miss the link I posted earlier? A few read it and agreed with it, my opponents as usual ignored it. As I said, every time they are challenged directly to either quote me and/or prove my posts wrong they decline to do so, knowing they cannot. How can I take them seriously? They are simply idiots with an agenda that does not include anything like facts or even reality. As I have repeatedly observed, all they have is name-calling and baseless vitriol.


So no quotes then... :zzzz: Why is it that without exception, every time a member is challenged to back their statements about me with, you know, anything like facts, or quotes, they never do? :violin:

I know who red reps me, I read the comments in threads, and I get a lot of PM's. Sorry if I take note of actual reality rather than prejudiced fantasy.


If I wanted mind altering experiences I'd never choose Tramadol. No side effects at all for me. Now, Ketamine, that is something else! :msn-wink:

Even Morphine only kills pain with me. I've been living with chronic pain for so long I have trouble remembering a time without pain.


Ok so I was teasing... I am not in awe of you, you're too dumb. My very highly qualified Drs. and surgeon, senior nurses, in fact all who treated me are also very experienced in my operation and the extent of my injuries. They have no trouble in assessing my level of pain and disability. CT scans and X-rays, my level of movement are enough for them to believe my own assessment of how much doing whatever hurts. My surgeon even warned me that I would live with pain from then on.


If the Doc can come up with something better with no side effects, why not? I have already said I can cut way down by simply resting instead of getting up and doing stuff. I take it for pain, what is do hard about that to understand?


No, but then I also read posts before responding to them. Your quote was from a thread nearly three years old and as I said, at that time I was pretty out if it in pain, wearing a brace and requiring a daily nurse....

Of course you may not be referring to that here, but still if anyone of my opponents tried to imitate the other members who do read and comprehend, they may yet gain some credibility.

When "haters" have no interest beyond ridicule and certainly no interest in discussing anything rationally, I have little time for them. These ones think they are clever so as long as they satiate their need to stroke their own egos, they can do it on their own.



If Madness is genuine in wanting my opinion on his posted link it will remain on topic and relevant. So I will give him the benefit of the doubt and post a reply once I have gone through it. Depending on his response I will either continue or leave the thread.


Its been an exercise in human nature
Ed's prolly a fairly decent person
Sort of neighbour who would be genuinely helpful
Cares for others...

Its just thye religious dogma
Arrogance
Misinformed self righteous outlook [of the holy]
Efforts to extract money from friends
via cheap Chinese shit

But mostly I worry about the children in bible class....

Hey Ed, did the brothers give you a comment??
re:

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition: LEAP
www.leap.cc/
Current and former members of law enforcement who support drug regulation rather than prohibition.

Funny how I never bring religion into it...

[Banditbandit]

Someone better call the Damage Control Team.

Or move the last four pages into Pointless Drivel ... this tread has got way off topic ... You said/he said/she said .. it has become Pointless Drivel !!!

Silly hats time again ...

http://www.hatsrcool.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Funny-Hat-9.jpg

[Edbear]

http://www.leap.cc/
"Why Legalize Drugs?

We believe that drug prohibition is the true cause of much of the social and personal damage that has historically been attributed to drug use. It is prohibition that makes these drugs so valuable – while giving criminals a monopoly over their supply. Driven by the huge profits from this monopoly, criminal gangs bribe and kill each other, law enforcers, and children. Their trade is unregulated and they are, therefore, beyond our control.

History has shown that drug prohibition reduces neither use nor abuse. After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes. After a drug dealer is arrested, however, neither the supply nor the demand for drugs is seriously changed. The arrest merely creates a job opening for an endless stream of drug entrepreneurs who will take huge risks for the sake of the enormous profits created by prohibition. Prohibition costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, yet 40 years and some 40 million arrests later, drugs are cheaper, more potent and far more widely used than at the beginning of this futile crusade.

We believe that by eliminating prohibition of all drugs for adults and establishing appropriate regulation and standards for distribution and use, law enforcement could focus more on crimes of violence, such as rape, aggravated assault, child abuse and murder, making our communities much safer. We believe that sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys families.

We believe that in a regulated and controlled environment, drugs will be safer for adult use and less accessible to our children. And we believe that by placing drug abuse in the hands of medical professionals instead of the criminal justice system, we will reduce rates of addiction and overdose deaths."

These people have their reasons clearly laid out, and I would like to hear from our own law enforcement officers as to how they see it.

Let's look at the highlighted points. The opening sentence is the one I would like our Police to comment on, do they agree it is prohibition causing the issues around drug taking and its conequences? The officers in this link seem to think so, but what do our police experience on the front line?

Certainly the criminals supplying the drugs make a lot of money, but who forces the users to buy/take the drugs? Or do the users buy/take them on their own intitiative? Like cigarettes, do the tobacco companies hold a gun to the heads of addicts and force them to buy?

"After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes" Bollocks. There are fewer rapes than drug users getting stoned and causing issues, irrelevant to the discussion. Anyone following the news would see that.

Yes, prohibition does cost a lot and yes, drugs are cheaper, more potent and more widely used. Is it prohibition causing this, or are more people using drugs? Society in general is breaking down with big increases in a lot of negative activity these days. Not just drugs but also alcoholism, binge drinking, random violence, home invasions and gang wars.

Alcohol is legal and "strictly controlled" by legislation. What makes you think legalising Cannabis will result in anything else? Yes, this site is about legalising, not decriminalising, and as you like to point out, there is a difference, how do you see this link?

"We believe that sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys families" Certainly doesn't help them, anyway. How many people here are imprisoned for non-violent, personal use?

"A regulated and controlled environment" has done nothing for alcohol abuse and the victimising of children, neither would it make a difference to drug use. It would not cost any less either.

I have said many times, that I have no issues with the potential benefits of Cannabis being researched and developed, even to the point that if it was available as a legal alternative painkiller and was more effective with less side effects than other drugs, I would be happy to use it. Of course that wouldn't suit the proponents here who simply want to smoke it and get high.

That is why I call them hypocrites, when they use arguments based on potential health benefits to support their vew. They are not interested in health benefits.

So to sum up, the link is flawed in several areas and legalising the use of Cannabis would not change anything. Decriminilising it,

(Wikipedia.Decriminalization or Decriminalisation is the abolition of criminal penalties in relation to certain acts, perhaps retroactively, though perhaps regulated permits or fines might still apply (for contrast, see: Legalization). The reverse process is criminalization.

Decriminalization reflects changing social and moral views. A society may come to the view that an act is not harmful, should no longer be criminalized, or is otherwise not a matter to be addressed by the criminal justice system.)

We already have a defacto decriminilising of personal use and few are given severe penalties for simply smoking a joint. Like the speed limit there is a tolerance towards minor offending. I think, from memory, there is already a type of such in Australia where instant fines are handed out rather than arresting and taking them to court? Correct me if I am wrong here. How many really think such would make any difference here?

The fact that I prefer to go by clinical test results and not anecdotal "evidence" by users in deciding whether I think Cannabis is harmless or not is my prerogative.

All drugs have an effect and all drugs should be used accordingly. Not all drugs affect everyone in the same way, and each person should examine his own response to a drug under medical guidance before deciding whether they should use it or not. Certain drugs that may be fatal for one person may have negligible effect on another, even in the same family.

So I don't support the decriminilising of Cannabis as it would not make any difference. I note that proponents of it do not use alcohol as an example of the benefits of such, either.

If you want to smoke a joint in your own home and get high, it is not my problem any more than if you want to get drunk at home. Both are inherently harmful to a greater or lesser extent, backed up by clinical studies.

[Katman]

These people have their reasons clearly laid out, and I would like to hear from our own law enforcement officers as to how they see it.

Let's look at the highlighted points. The opening sentence is the one I would like our Police to comment on, do they agree it is prohibition causing the issues around drug taking and its conequences? The officers in this link seem to think so, but what do our police experience on the front line?


I would suggest that if you're really expecting any current police officer on here to do anything other than toe the company line you're being extremely naive.

What I would like to ask of any of the police officers on here is what percentage of problems they face "on the front line" regarding alcohol abuse compared to cannabis use?

And I'd be interested to hear the answer of anyone here in the medical profession also.

[jellywrestler]

After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes. After a drug dealer is arrested, however, neither the supply nor the demand for drugs is seriously changed. that in itself is one of the dumbest comments i have ever heard, the two 'offences' couldn't be further apart in terms of motivation to commit and the number of rapists in any given time in a country our size compared with the number of people who sell drugs is a 'little' different too.
whoever wrote this needs to go to a retirement home or similar

[Edbear]

I would suggest that if you're really expecting any police officer on here to do anything other than tow the company line you're being extremely naive.

What I would like to ask of any of the police officers on here is what percentage of problems they face "on the front line" regarding alcohol abuse compared to cannabis use?

And I'd be interested to hear the answer of anyone here in the medical profession also.

I've never never known Scummy and RedMermaid to be anything but straight up and open.

[bogan]

So to sum up, the link is flawed in several areas and legalising the use of Cannabis would not change anything.

Thats a bit harsh, there is certainly some data missing to support their theories, which is not to say those theories are flawed. Unless you post other studies that show that to be the case.


The fact that I prefer to go by clinical test results and not anecdotal "evidence" by users in deciding whether I think Cannabis is harmless or not is my prerogative.

Which are?

Dude, you've got to start backing these claims up as you make them. You should realise by now your broad assertions without you backing them up are what a lot of people find annoying about your posts.


that in itself is one of the dumbest comments i have ever heard, the two 'offences' couldn't be further apart in terms of motivation to commit and the number of rapists in any given time in a country our size compared with the number of people who sell drugs is a 'little' different too.
whoever wrote this needs to go to a retirement home or similar

Isn't that all they were trying to say? That removing dealers from the system is not an effective solution like it is for rapists.

[Edbear]

Thats a bit harsh, there is certainly some data missing to support their theories, which is not to say those theories are flawed. Unless you post other studies that show that to be the case.

Which are?

Dude, you've got to start backing these claims up as you make them. You should realise by now your broad assertions without you backing them up are what a lot of people find annoying about your posts.

Isn't that all they were trying to say? That removing dealers from the system is not an effective solution like it is for rapists.

I specifically said the link is flawed in several areas and analysed those in my post. You would be better to address each point and say whether you agree or not. Be specific as I was.

I will find and post the clinical studies if you wish, but surely you and others here must have researched them for yourselves, you know, to make sure you have a balanced and realistic view? Oh, hang on...

The comparison with rapists is ridiculous for obvious reasons. Well, maybe not so obvious to some?

[Banditbandit]

http://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/11/funny-turkey-hat-3.jpg

[Katman]

The comparison with rapists is ridiculous for obvious reasons. Well, maybe not so obvious to some?

If viewed with an open mind the statement is quite valid.

All they're saying is that while there is no shortage of people prepared to step forward and become drug dealers, society hasn't sunk to the point where there's the same number of people prepared to become rapists.

If society is prepared to spend huge sums of money to protect itself from crime then it's far more sensible to spend that money on the more heinous crimes where any little gain is a gain nonetheless.

[Edbear]

If viewed with an open mind the statement is quite valid.

All they're saying is that while there is no shortage of people prepared to step forward and become drug dealers, society hasn't sunk to the point where there's the same number of people prepared to become rapists.

If society is prepared to spend huge sums of money to protect itself from crime then it's far more sensible to spend that money on the more heinous crimes where any little gain is a gain nonetheless.

The statement was that if you lock up a rapist there are fewer rapes but locking up a drug dealer makes no difference. Think about it.

[Madness]

These people have their reasons clearly laid out, and I would like to hear from our own law enforcement officers as to how they see it.

Good luck with that.


Let's look at the highlighted points. The opening sentence is the one I would like our Police to comment on, do they agree it is prohibition causing the issues around drug taking and its conequences? The officers in this link seem to think so, but what do our police experience on the front line?

So you're avoiding passing comment on the views on numerous law enforcement officers, Judges, etc shown on the linked site then?


Certainly the criminals supplying the drugs make a lot of money, but who forces the users to buy/take the drugs? Or do the users buy/take them on their own intitiative? Like cigarettes, do the tobacco companies hold a gun to the heads of addicts and force them to buy?

Nobody forces a Cannabis user to use Cannabis. It is done by choice as most users enjoy the many benefits the substance provides them whilst causing no harm to others around them.


"After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes" Bollocks. There are fewer rapes than drug users getting stoned and causing issues, irrelevant to the discussion. Anyone following the news would see that.

The point being raised has flown over the top of your daft head like a low-flying Hercules.


Yes, prohibition does cost a lot and yes, drugs are cheaper, more potent and more widely used. Is it prohibition causing this, or are more people using drugs? Society in general is breaking down with big increases in a lot of negative activity these days. Not just drugs but also alcoholism, binge drinking, random violence, home invasions and gang wars.

Drugs are cheaper? Than what? An ounce of Cannabis sells for between $300 & $400 NZ, hardly what I'd call cheap. Did you actually have a point here or is it just waffle?


Alcohol is legal and "strictly controlled" by legislation. What makes you think legalising Cannabis will result in anything else? Yes, this site is about legalising, not decriminalising, and as you like to point out, there is a difference, how do you see this link?

How would the restrictions of use currently affecting alcohol being extended in some way towards cannabis use be a bad thing? Clearly it's being widely used already so bringing it out into the open must be a positive for society in general. The message around alcohol use is one of moderation, self-awareness and responsibility. The environment around Cannabis use is one of secrecy.


"We believe that sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys families" Certainly doesn't help them, anyway. How many people here are imprisoned for non-violent, personal use?

In the U.S? Millions each year I'd hazard to guess.


"A regulated and controlled environment" has done nothing for alcohol abuse and the victimising of children, neither would it make a difference to drug use. It would not cost any less either.

I'd hate to live in New Zealand without the regulated and controlled environment around alcohol use. There is a long way to go before abuse towards children is eliminated but this issue is hardly solely to be blamed on alcohol.


I have said many times, that I have no issues with the potential benefits of Cannabis being researched and developed, even to the point that if it was available as a legal alternative painkiller and was more effective with less side effects than other drugs, I would be happy to use it. Of course that wouldn't suit the proponents here who simply want to smoke it and get high.

That is why I call them hypocrites, when they use arguments based on potential health benefits to support their vew. They are not interested in health benefits.

And I will call you a hypocrite for the reason that you spout on about "experts" dealing with the negative effects of Cannabis use having a greater understanding of the issue than the man in the street. You are pointed towards a site full of such "experts" that oppose your view and all you can do is state that it is flawed.


So to sum up, the link is flawed in several areas and legalising the use of Cannabis would not change anything. We already have a defacto decriminilising of personal use and few are given severe penalties for simply smoking a joint. Like the speed limit there is a tolerance towards minor offending. I think, from memory, there is already a type of such in Australia where instant fines are handed out rather than arresting and taking them to court? Correct me if I am wrong here. How many really think such would make any difference here?

Tell the 30-odd thousand Kiwis who recieved Cannabis convictions last year that we enjoy "defacto decriminalisation". This is bullshit.


The fact that I prefer to go by clinical test results and not anecdotal "evidence" by users in deciding whether I think Cannabis is harmless or not is my prerogative.

So you'll run with anecdotal evidence only when it suits you then?


So I don't support the decriminilising of Cannabis as it would not make any difference. I note that proponents of it do not use alcohol as an example of the benefits of such, either.

It would not make any difference to you, this is true. It's not about you though, is it Ed? It's about being fair to all Kiwis, some of whom prefer Cannabis over other legal substances. Many pro-Cannabis proponents will not use alcohol to support their argument because they do not like alcohol, it's effects and the resulting mess it leaves on our society. Using alcohol legislation in a Cannabis debate is all about showing the injustice and hypocrisy that exists under current laws.


If you want to smoke a joint in your own home and get high, it is not my problem any more than if you want to get drunk at home. Both are inherently harmful to a greater or lesser extent, backed up by clinical studies.

No, it's not your problem - nobody said it was. It does not affect you one iota but the Cannabis user is not thinking about the potential harm to their health when they consume it, they are thinking primarily about being convicted, penalised and ostracised by elements of our society. Wouldn't it be great if they could put all that to one side and start thinking of their health?

Thanks for taking the time Ed. It's a pity you didn't broaden your horizons as a result of doing so but hey, it was worth a shot.

[SMOKEU]

Don't expect any cops to come on here and give their honest opinion on cannabis harm (or lack thereof). They will all wank on about the same old government propaganda that they are expected to enforce without question.

[blue rider]

Don't expect any cops to come on here and give their honest opinion on cannabis harm (or lack thereof). They will all wank on about the same old government propaganda that they are expected to enforce without question.

It is what pays their bills. I expect no cop to protect and serve, only to enforce laws.....good people all of them :innocent:

[Madness]

The statement was that if you lock up a rapist there are fewer rapes but locking up a drug dealer makes no difference. Think about it.

Makes perfect sense. Care to elaborate on why you disagree?

What happened in South Auckland when Malcolm Rewa was finally caught Ed?

[Edbear]

Good luck with that.

So you're avoiding passing comment on the views on numerous law enforcement officers, Judges, etc shown on the linked site then?

I specifically addressed their views point by point.

Nobody forces a Cannabis user to use Cannabis. It is done by choice as most users enjoy the many benefits the substance provides them whilst causing no harm to others around them.

Your point being? The LEAP claim it is the prohibition that is the problem

The point being raised has flown over the top of your daft head like a low-flying Hercules.

Yeah, whatever...

Drugs are cheaper? Than what? An ounce of Cannabis sells for between $300 & $400 NZ, hardly what I'd call cheap. Did you actually have a point here or is it just waffle?

They claim that prohibition has contributed to the issue.

How would the restrictions of use currently affecting alcohol being extended in some way towards cannabis use be a bad thing? Clearly it's being widely used already so bringing it out into the open must be a positive for society in general. The message around alcohol use is one of moderation, self-awareness and responsibility. The environment around Cannabis use is one of secrecy.

Neither problem is geting any better whatever the legislation.

In the U.S? Millions each year I'd hazard to guess.

I said here...

I'd hate to live in New Zealand without the regulated and controlled environment around alcohol use. There is a long way to go before abuse towards children is eliminated but this issue is hardly solely to be blamed on alcohol.

And I will call you a hypocrite for the reason that you spout on about "experts" dealing with the negative effects of Cannabis use having a greater understanding of the issue than the man in the street. You are pointed towards a site full of such "experts" that oppose your view and all you can do is state that it is flawed.

Bollocks again, I said and I repeat, I addressed the points one by one.

Tell the 30-odd thousand Kiwis who recieved Cannabis convictions last year that we enjoy "defacto decriminalisation". This is bullshit.

Missed the point again. (How unlike you..:innocent:) How many of those 30,000 were merely smoking a joint at home in private?

So you'll run with anecdotal evidence only when it suits you then?

Huh?

It would not make any difference to you, this is true. It's not about you though, is it Ed? It's about being fair to all Kiwis, some of whom prefer Cannabis over other legal substances. Many pro-Cannabis proponents will not use alcohol to support their argument because they do not like alcohol, it's effects and the resulting mess it leaves on our society. Using alcohol legislation in a Cannabis debate is all about showing the injustice and hypocrisy that exists under current laws.

I wasn't arguiing about that, the point is whether the decriminalisation of Cannabis would make it better, it won't.IMHO...

No, it's not your problem - nobody said it was. It does not affect you one iota but the Cannabis user is not thinking about the potential harm to their health when they consume it, they are thinking primarily about being convicted, penalised and ostracised by elements of our society. Wouldn't it be great if they could put all that to one side and start thinking of their health?

Bollocks! A show of hands of users here who would stop using based on the health risks highlighted by anyone, medical or otherwise?

Thanks for taking the time Ed. It's a pity you didn't broaden your horizons as a result of doing so but hey, it was worth a shot.

I thought so, now if you could take of your prejudicial blindfold for just a minute....

[Banditbandit]

http://fashionablygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/lobsterhat.jpg?cb5e28

[blackdog]

http://www.zoogstercostumes.com/images/products/ra1796.jpg

[Madness]

I thought so, now if you could take of your prejudicial blindfold for just a minute....

That's fucking rich coming from you Ed. You don't just have the prejudicial blindfold, you've got the deluxe lycra body suit edition, complete with cape.

You haven't addressed anything at all in the link provided, just dismissed it and called for Scumdog to comment. Typical Ed fail but to expect anything more was blindly optomistic on my part I admit.

I take comfort in the fact that this issue has screened on local television twice in the past week and on both occasions the status-quo has been brought into serious question by both academics and politicians. The 7-Sharp poll ended last night with 68% of the vote supporting total legalisation of all drugs in new Zealand, something I don't necessarily agree with but it shows the swing in popular opinion towards common sense. There will always be the ignorant and bigoted in any discussion and Ed will always be at the forefront of such bigotry on KB.

Oh well, back to work.

[bogan]

I specifically said the link is flawed in several areas and analysed those in my post. You would be better to address each point and say whether you agree or not. Be specific as I was.

I will find and post the clinical studies if you wish, but surely you and others here must have researched them for yourselves, you know, to make sure you have a balanced and realistic view? Oh, hang on...

The comparison with rapists is ridiculous for obvious reasons. Well, maybe not so obvious to some?

You simply offered your opinions against theirs, to actually address their points requires a bit more research.

Perhaps it is obvious some missed the point (of which I explained), but it seems you would rather offer implicit insults than explanations.

I prefer others who already have opinions on the matter to present their cases, then decide how I feel about the issue. Part of the point of referencing is so we all don't have to do the boring research.

Overall, I'd give it a 4/10, 3 cos you made an effort, 3 for offering some substance of debate, but minus 2 for sarcasm and implicit insults.

[Edbear]

Okay Dawn, you can PD the thread as you wish, I'm done. :brick:

[blackdog]

Okay Dawn, you can PD the thread as you wish, I'm done. :brick:

Summed up in a sentance. It has to be all about you, doesn't it.

[Madness]

Okay Dawn, you can PD the thread as you wish, I'm done. :brick:

Wanker.

http://fsa.zedge.net/scale.php?img=Ny8zLzkvNy8xLTExNTcwODMtNzM5NzkzOS5q cGc&ctype=1&v=4&q=81&xs=620&ys=383&sig=5f93c86474e45629dda569707515b903c104e8af

[bogan]

Summed up in a sentance. It has to be all about you, doesn't it.

Yup, you can lead a horse to water; but by god if he isn't still the center of attention when he gets there he'll take a big dump right in the middle of the pond.

[Pussy]

ed, with his delusions of adequacy.....

[Katman]

Okay Dawn, you can PD the thread as you wish, I'm done. :brick:

Having your hypocrisy and close-mindedness exposed is hardly sufficient grounds to have the thread removed to PD.

[gwigs]

I thought so, now if you could take of your prejudicial blindfold for just a minute....

Says the one eyed man.

:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme :killingme

[Banditbandit]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ao0RvVbMgrY/TbsuAf8rL2I/AAAAAAAAA1A/pQ1aLDJ_cKc/s1600/BeatriceMOS_468x537.jpg

[_Gina_]

10 fricken 10

[Akzle]

((etc))

that was a fucking coherent post. you're still wrong, but holy shit. light dose on the tranqs today eh?

as for the thread?:
http://memecrunch.com/meme/26FC/why-won-t-you-die/image.png

[Edbear]

that was a fucking coherent post. you're still wrong, but holy shit. light dose on the tranqs today eh?

as for the thread?:
http://memecrunch.com/meme/26FC/why-won-t-you-die/image.png

Thanks, I tried to be as coherent answering Madness' response too.

Unfortunately he persists in living up to his username...

You may think I'm wrong about decriminalisation, a lot do but that is opinion which is everyone's right.

I would be interested in a proper study by the relevant people in NZ analysing the pros and cons from law enforcement, medical, including Paramedics, emergency staff and hospital heads, and services dealing with drug and alcohol addictions.

Nobody here supporting cannabis has any interest in examining clinical studies or any references that don't support their desire to smoke dope. As I noted, links I provide are studiously, (!), ignored if they can't be argued with. As are posts that highlight realities that are unarguable.

This thread is no longer relevant as is noted by the lack of discussion since I said I had had enough. None of them have anything balanced or reasonable on topic to say and only prove once again their silly agenda.

[Laava]

Loving the hats Banditx2! And the lesbians. Esp the lesbians! Oooh, lesbians with hats! Could there be such a thing!

[mashman]

I would be interested in a proper study by the relevant people in NZ analysing the pros and cons from law enforcement, medical, including Paramedics, emergency staff and hospital heads, and services dealing with drug and alcohol addictions.

Nobody here supporting cannabis has any interest in examining clinical studies or any references that don't support their desire to smoke dope. As I noted, links I provide are studiously, (!), ignored if they can't be argued with. As are posts that highlight realities that are unarguable.

2 words. Por Tugal. Not just a study, but a living breathing example that has listed pros and cons from all of the top personnel in the areas that you have highlighted.

[bogan]

Thanks, I tried to be as coherent answering Madness' response too.

Unfortunately he persists in living up to his username...

You may think I'm wrong about decriminalisation, a lot do but that is opinion which is everyone's right.

I would be interested in a proper study by the relevant people in NZ analysing the pros and cons from law enforcement, medical, including Paramedics, emergency staff and hospital heads, and services dealing with drug and alcohol addictions.

Nobody here supporting cannabis has any interest in examining clinical studies or any references that don't support their desire to smoke dope. As I noted, links I provide are studiously, (!), ignored if they can't be argued with. As are posts that highlight realities that are unarguable.

This thread is no longer relevant as is noted by the lack of discussion since I said I had had enough. None of them have anything balanced or reasonable on topic to say and only prove once again their silly agenda.

So, since I can't put you on ignore as I kind of feel its my duty to correct your smarmy bullshitting about batteries. Maybe I'll just take to correcting you every now and then.

Like so:
Nobody here is posting clinical studies for either side, the links you provide are as far as I can tell, imaginary; as is the logic in you unarguable posts of reality.

[Edbear]

So, since I can't put you on ignore as I kind of feel its my duty to correct your smarmy bullshitting about batteries. Maybe I'll just take to correcting you every now and then.

Like so:
Nobody here is posting clinical studies for either side, the links you provide are as far as I can tell, imaginary; as is the logic in you unarguable posts of reality.

What was imaginary about post 633?

[bogan]

What was imaginary about post 633?

Well I can't imagine how you can expect me to go through 1200 posts to find it :weird:

Repost it again, it'll be good practice for you :yes:

[Katman]

This thread isn't actually about the effects of cannabis on driving versus the effects on alcohol though, is it Ed?

It's about cannabis law reform.

There is no reason to imagine that driving under the effects of cannabis should be treated any different to driving under the effects of alcohol (or prescription drugs for that matter).

[Katman]

Here you go Ed.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/evaluating-drug-decriminalization-in-portugal-12-years-later-a-891060.html

[Edbear]

Well I can't imagine how you can expect me to go through 1200 posts to find it :weird:

Repost it again, it'll be good practice for you :yes:

R u serious????? You can't find post 633????? :facepalm:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/WDR_2009/WDR2009_eng_web.pdf

Worth a read, too.

[Katman]

Do you consider Holland to be in a state of anarchy and deprivation Ed?

[Akzle]

enough already!

everyone. just. fuck off this thread. let it go. it's done. you life will not get better from here on in. there is no prize. there is nothing to be gained.

on your deathbed you'll think back and think: "fuck, i wish i hadn't wasted so much of my life on that fucking thrEd" seriously, everyone, go hug the wife and do something good with the evening. and don't come back.

really,
just.
stop.

[Edbear]

Here you go Ed.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/evaluating-drug-decriminalization-in-portugal-12-years-later-a-891060.html

Read it thoroughly have you? I did and it is not a bed of roses. To decriminalise needs a massive investment of money in other areas. Take note of the link I posted.

[Edbear]

enough already!

everyone. just. fuck off this thread. let it go. it's done. you life will not get better from here on in. there is no prize. there is nothing to be gained.

on your deathbed you'll think back and think: "fuck, i wish i hadn't wasted so much of my life on that fucking thrEd" seriously, everyone, go hug the wife and do something good with the evening. and don't come back.

really,
just.
stop.

When I read Katman's last post I can't but agree with you. You're right though, nitey nite, got a wife to cuddle...

[bogan]

Here you go Ed.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/evaluating-drug-decriminalization-in-portugal-12-years-later-a-891060.html

That was an interesting read, shame there wasn't more analysis of the figures, but it seems like a pretty reasonable approach.


R u serious????? You can't find post 633????? :facepalm:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/WDR_2009/WDR2009_eng_web.pdf

Worth a read, too.

I can't be bothered finding post 633, you need to learn to cite things properly so they actually support your claims. I suggest you read up on some common styles and how they are used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation

For example, you gave us a link to a 314 page document, that is far too long to be used a supplementary reading (I'd consider 6 pages as the max here). If you think it supports your views, then cite the parts of interest and explain how they support your views. That method is the basis of an intellectual debate which is so often lacking...

[Katman]

Read it thoroughly have you? I did and it is not a bed of roses.

The only bed of thorns I read was the state of the country before the law reform.

Did you understand any of what you read?

[Laava]

It's about cannabis law reform..

Actuallly it's about whether she should be kicked out of home for being a dobber.
And lesbians.
And hats.

[Madness]

Actuallly it's about whether she should be kicked out of home for being a dobber.

Definitely. She's probably got her own state house by now with 3 kids to 4 different fathers.


And lesbians.

http://therealkenjones.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/girls-kissing.jpg


And hats.

We don't need no stinking hats!

[blue rider]

sorry madness but there must be hats....

http://gone-hollywood.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Celebrities_Who_Smoke_Weed_03.jpg

[PrincessBandit]

Do you consider Holland to be in a state of anarchy and deprivation Ed?
The Netherlands have some huge social issues to deal with but they're probably not directly related to what you're meaning.

Actuallly it's about whether she should be kicked out of home for being a dobber.
And lesbians.
And hats.

Nah, cutesy pie aminules doing crazy stuff please not more lesbians or hats.

[scissorhands]

Its the parasites in the raw fish roll-mops

[Stirts]

Esp the lesbians! Oooh, lesbians with hats! Could there be such a thing!


We don't need no stinking hats!

2 girls one hat!!

281472

[SMOKEU]

There is no reason to imagine that driving under the effects of cannabis should be treated any different to driving under the effects of alcohol (or prescription drugs for that matter).

Drunk driving is generally much more dangerous than stoned driving. Drunks tend to grossly overestimate their abilities which leads to the inevitable. The opposite usually applies after having a sesh.


enough already!

everyone. just. fuck off this thread. let it go. it's done. you life will not get better from here on in. there is no prize. there is nothing to be gained.

on your deathbed you'll think back and think: "fuck, i wish i hadn't wasted so much of my life on that fucking thrEd" seriously, everyone, go hug the wife and do something good with the evening. and don't come back.

really,
just.
stop.

There's still too many lulz to be had from this thread to kill it.


The Netherlands have some huge social issues to deal with but they're probably not directly related to what you're meaning.



What country doesn't?


2 girls one hat!!



The one with the cup was better.

[Banditbandit]

This thread isn't actually about the effects of cannabis on driving versus the effects on alcohol though, is it Ed?

It's about cannabis law reform.



Funny - I thougth it was about the morality of a girl telling the police of the illaegal activities of her parents and getting them charged with a crime ..

[Banditbandit]

We don't need no stinking hats!

http://www.worldskincancerfoundation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/slipslapslop.jpg

[scissorhands]

Drunk driving is generally much more dangerous than stoned driving. Drunks tend to grossly overestimate their abilities which leads to the inevitable. The opposite usually applies after having a sesh.


QFT Swim has found when his system is free of cannabis, he drives a little faster. His speed only goes up on average maybe 3-5km/hr, but he also finds himself drawn into minor competitive behaviours with other motorists, whereas as a stoner, swim travels slower and safer. Swim said he always waits a while after having a sheesh, before driving, but heavy stoners are used to the effects of cannabis...... and in a manner quite opposite to alcohol in a very important way.............heavy stoners are used to the effects and can drive sooner....... and safer............than a non stoner or newbie.

Bit like giving half a beer to a tee totaller with a nervous dispostion.

Swim said he has seen non cannabis users need to retreat to the bedroom after a couple of light tokes

Swim's mate at the old cannabis club used to smoke 3 grams a day of primo bud, function reasonably quite well, but he was a very big man

[Katman]

Drunk driving is generally much more dangerous than stoned driving. Drunks tend to grossly overestimate their abilities which leads to the inevitable. The opposite usually applies after having a sesh.


Whether it be true or not, forget going down that path. For there to be any hope of seeing a change in the law there will be nothing to be gained from trying to convince anyone that stoned drivers are better than pissed drivers.

Impairment should be treated as impairment - prescription drugs included.


Funny - I thougth it was about the morality of a girl telling the police of the illaegal activities of her parents and getting them charged with a crime ..

Possibly about 70 pages ago.

[oneofsix]

Drunk driving is generally much more dangerous than stoned driving. Drunks tend to grossly overestimate their abilities which leads to the inevitable. The opposite usually applies after having a sesh.


Whether it be true or not, forget going down that path. For there to be any hope of seeing a change in the law there will be nothing to be gained from trying to convince anyone that stoned drivers are better than pissed drivers.

Impairment should be treated as impairment - prescription drugs included.


Sleepy drivers are worse than all the above. Half the issue with the drunk or drugged is that it makes them sleepy. The first half of Katman's last sentence sums it up except I would include sleepiness and anger, even being zoned out, as things that are often not considered as impairments.

[Banditbandit]

http://www.smartambala.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/really-funny-hats5.jpg

[Mushu]

Sleepy drivers are worse than all the above. Half the issue with the drunk or drugged is that it makes them sleepy. The first half of Katman's last sentence sums it up except I would include sleepiness and anger, even being zoned out, as things that are often not considered as impairments.

I have to agree there, anger has a far greater effect on my driving than being stoned (back when I was a heavy user) when angry I tend to speed (more) take a few risks and become quite competitive, although the act of driving tends to calm me down too, but so does the act of smoking weed.

I read a study the other day, it was done in France it can be found on the California norml website (links are a bitch when you use a phone to post), to do with drug and alcohol impared drivers and crash rates, the upshot was that alcohol increases risk of a crash by between 300 and 4000 percent, whereas cannabis increases the risk between 160 and 300 percent, even so, for the purpose of enforcing the laws the rules should be similar between the two. Whatever happened to the saliva swabs they were trialing in Australia, they might be appropriate here, or I would be happy to submit to American style roadside impairment tests

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[Katman]

An interesting article.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/marijuana

[Banditbandit]

http://i1.cpcache.com/product/153538385/ive_got_cancer_by_the_short_curlies_baseball_cap.j pg?color=Khaki&height=460&width=460

[Brian d marge]

2 girls one hat!!



where is the hat???


Stephen

[FJRider]

where is the hat???


Stephen

There was a hat .. ??? :blink:

[Usarka]

Ed, what if I went to California and get a prescription for weed. Would you be ok with it then?

[scissorhands]

The way things are looking, in the next few years you can probably get a prescription here. Or purchase retail style from a licensed premises.

In 3 Oz states you can grow your own, in the other states fines similar to traffic infringements

maybe the brain drain will improve
cant see aussies or many coming here for weed tourism
dollars for doughnuts they will be the freedom camping kind of tourist
shitting on our shores!

[Mushu]

The way things are looking, in the next few years you can probably get a prescription here. Or purchase retail style from a licensed premises.

In 3 Oz states you can grow your own, in the other states fines similar to traffic infringements

maybe the brain drain will improve
cant see aussies or many coming here for weed tourism
dollars for doughnuts they will be the freedom camping kind of tourist
shitting on our shores!

The three states where you can grow your own, you're actually not 'allowed' to, but the law is that if caught with up to 2 plants (non hydro) you are subject to a fine of varying amounts state by state, and each state except qld allows a fine for an amount for personal use ranging between 15 and 50 grams. And piss testing is just as common there as it is here. Still slightly better than the legal system in place here though.

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[Banditbandit]

http://media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com/192x/60/8b/88/608b88ef498be2f6b619ac993055d993.jpg

[Edbear]

Anybody watch Seven Sharp last night re: the legalisation of a Cannabis? A great advert for it, NOT! :weird:

[Katman]

It looked considerably more seemly than your average Kiwi advertisement for binge drinking.

[Edbear]

It looked considerably more seemly than your average Kiwi advertisement for binge drinking.

They were all stoned and then the shooting started...

Binge drinking is disgusting and the participants look just as stupid.

[Katman]

They were all stoned and then the shooting started...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/denver-420-shooting-suspect-youtube-video-identified_n_3133892.html

[Banditbandit]

<img src="http://atomictoasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Vacuum-Tube-Hat-RE_Jun_1949_Cover.jpg" width="400px"/>

[mashman]

They were all stoned and then the shooting started...

Binge drinking is disgusting and the participants look just as stupid.

And something from the non stoned people (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165445/British-journalist-Natasha-Smith-22-recalls-horrific-sexual-assault-Egypts-Tahrir-Square.html)

[Edbear]

And something from the non stoned people (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165445/British-journalist-Natasha-Smith-22-recalls-horrific-sexual-assault-Egypts-Tahrir-Square.html)

An off-topic diversion attempt. You aren't going to get any argument that the world isn't full of scum who make Heyenas look tame.

[bogan]

Anybody watch Seven Sharp last night re: the legalisation of a Cannabis? A great advert for it, NOT! :weird:

So for those of us that don't sit glued to the 'beacon of journalistic integrity' that is 'Seven Sharp' each night?

[Katman]

You're nothing if not predictable Ed.

I'm well aware that you're trying to suggest that if you get a group of stoners together that there's bound to eventually be bullets flying.

It would be far more accurate though to suggest that if you get a large group of anyone together that offers an opportunity of anonymity and add a few black American gang members with a grudge against each other then you're bound to see bullets flying.

[Banditbandit]

Just for you - gang bangers in silly hats

http://witneyman.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/gangs-of-new-york.jpg

[Edbear]

You're nothing if not predictable Ed.

I'm well aware that you're trying to suggest that if you get a group of stoners together that there's bound to eventually be bullets flying.

It would be far more accurate though to suggest that if you get a large group of anyone together that offers an opportunity of anonymity and add a few black American gang members with a grudge against each other then you're bound to see bullets flying.

Not really, I was more amused at the antics and speech of the stoners. The shooting was amusing in the light of comments about how the drug relaxes you and reduces violent tendencies.

The whole scene was hardly a great advert for the "benefits" of cannabis use.

[blue rider]

They were all stoned and then the shooting started...

Binge drinking is disgusting and the participants look just as stupid.

shootings in the States on april 22nd (hat tip Daily Kos) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/22/1204007/-Another-Day-in-the-Gun-Crazy-U-S-A

I usually link, but I just want it to be very easy

April 22, 2013 edition
.



Federal Way, Wash. -- Five people are dead after a shooting that began as a domestic dispute. A 28-year-old man fatally shot his girlfriend in their apartment about 9:30 p.m. yesterday before going into the parking lot where he confronted and fatally shot two men. He then used a shotgun to blast open a door and fatally shoot a 61-year-old man who was yelling for someone to call 911. The suspect was shot and killed when police arrived. The man reportedly had a history of domestic violence but had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Brentwood, Tenn. -- Police have arrested the husband of a woman found fatally shot in her home yesterday evening.

Lorain, Ohio -- Three people -- a woman, her 33-year-old boyfriend, and her estranged husband -- were found fatally shot in a bedroom about 4 p.m. yesterday in what police believe was a double-murder and suicide. The woman had two children ages 7 and 1. Police did not say if the children were at home at the time of the shootings.

Montgomery, Ala. -- A 19-year-old man was found fatally shot about 8:30 p.m. last Friday. Police believe he was shot during a robbery attempt.

Pomona, Calif. -- A 52-year-old man was found fatally shot inside a vehicle about 9 p.m. yesterday.

Pomona, Calif. -- A 44-year-old man was found fatally shot inside a vehicle about 9:40 p.m. yesterday. He had been struck multiple times.

Indianapolis, Ind. -- A 46-year-old man was shot and killed by a 26-year-old man after the two had a verbal disagreement at a restaurant about 5:45 a.m. Saturday. The shooter was arrested.

Cincinnati, Ohio -- A 25-year-old man was shot and killed and another man was shot and wounded in the parking lot of an apartment complex yesterday afternoon. The wounded man was listed in serious condition.

Memphis, Tenn. -- A woman was fatally shot about 10:15 a.m. today.

Las Vegas, Nev. -- A man arguing with at least two other men in a parking lot was shot and killed about 9:40 p.m. Friday.

Sacramento, Calif. -- A man in his 20s was shot and killed in the courtyard area of an apartment complex about 8 p.m. yesterday.

Cheltenham Township, Penn. -- A 32-year-old man was shot and killed when he forced his way into an apartment late Friday.

Chicago, Ill. -- A man in his early 20s was found fatally shot about 4:50 a.m. today.

Miami, Fla. -- A man was shot and killed yesterday afternoon.

Terrytown, La. -- A man was found lying on the ground fatally shot about 10 p.m. yesterday. He had been talking with a man while in the back courtyard of a building when multiple shots were fired from nearby. The victim was struck several times.

North Highlands, Calif. -- A 10-year-old boy was shot five times while outside a home at a family birthday party about 11:30 p.m. Saturday. Most of the children at the gathering were in the backyard at the time, but the victim and another child happened to be in the front yard of the home when a car pulled up and at least six shots were fired at them. No word on his condition. The other child suffered a graze wound to the arm.

Philadelphia, Penn --A 15-year-old boy was shot in the chest about 3:30 p.m. yesterday. He was listed in extremely critical condition.

Harvey, La. -- Police responding to reports of gunfire at an apartment about 4:30 a.m. today found five people shot -- three children under the age of three and two adults. The gunmen knocked on the door claiming to be police and when an adult opened it the gunmen opened fire. It is believed the children were sleeping in the living room. All the victims were reported to have non life-threatening injuries.

Grayson County, Tex. -- Students taking a concealed handgun license class at a rodeo grounds accidentally shot a man who was fishing in a nearby pond. The victim is expected “to be okay.”

Wilmington, N.C. -- A man accidentally shot another man about 5:00 a.m. yesterday. The victim was reported as recovering.

Lake Hill, N.Y. -- A man accidentally shot himself in the hand with a shotgun around 1 p.m. Sunday. He was listed in stable condition.

Hodgenville, Ky. -- A 55-year-old man who threaten to kill himself in front of family members was shot in the shoulder when one of the relatives tried to wrestle a gun away from him. The man was hospitalized with non life-threatening injuries.

Baltimore, Md. -- A man showed up at a hospital with a gunshot wound to an arm about 9:50 p.m. Friday. His condition was reported as non life-threatening.

Bridgeport, Conn. -- A man and a woman, both 22-years-old, were shot and wounded about 8 p.m. yesterday. They were passengers in a parked car that was fired upon from another car that pulled up to theirs. The man suffered multiple gunshot wounds to the abdomen and arm; the woman was shot in the hip. Both were listed in stable, but serious condition.

Memphis, Tenn. -- A 24-year-old man was shot and wounded about 5:15 p.m. yesterday.

Today’s sources: Accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com, Chicago Tribune, Daily Freeman, Hartford Courant, KABC-TV Los Angeles, KOMO-TV Seattle, KXII-TV Sherman (Tex.), KXTV-TV Sacramento, Las Vegas Sun, The Morning Journal, Philadelphia Inquirer, Sacramento Bee, Times-Picayune, WCHS-TV Charleston W.V., WECT-TV Wilmington, WISH-TV Indianapolis, WMC-TV Memphis, WSFA-TV Montgomery, WSVN-TV Miami, WTVF-TV Nashville




What was your point again ED?
Someone shot someone in the US? it is acutllay a Volks Sport.....goes hand in hand with the second ammendment and the right to bear any fucking gun/shooting instrument ever build.

Shit, really this world is so fucked up we don't need to quarrell about weed. its a plant, it makes people happy, and some peoply feel physically better after inhaling,eating it. It is not the devil incarnate.

[Edbear]

shootings in the States on april 22nd (hat tip Daily Kos) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/22/1204007/-Another-Day-in-the-Gun-Crazy-U-S-A

...SNIP...

What was your point again ED?
Someone shot someone in the US? it is acutllay a Volks Sport.....goes hand in hand with the second ammendment and the right to bear any fucking gun/shooting instrument ever build.

Shit, really this world is so fucked up we don't need to quarrell about weed. its a plant, it makes people happy, and some peoply feel physically better after inhaling,eating it. It is not the devil incarnate.

My immediate post above explains my point. Try not to read any more into it than I've said.

No question that the world is seriously in the poo, and these shootings look like becoming the daily norm in the US.

[mashman]

An off-topic diversion attempt. You aren't going to get any argument that the world isn't full of scum who make Heyenas look tame.

Why is it off-topic? You're alluding to human behaviour relating to drink and drugs. I was alluding to human behaviour that wasn't related to drink and drugs. There is a link, but it isn't substance related eeezeeet.

But your second sentence hits the nail on the head to the point where whether someone is drunk or stoned is irrelevant... and is only used to allow people to get all righteous on the druggies saying that it's a good thing that they're illegal because it's the drugs that make them do it... where that isn't the case.

[scissorhands]

Bottom line:

Cannabis is non toxic and safe
Most will use responsibly
Some sick ( autism) peps will seek to be a free of society unfair judgements

In the end, those who go hard on cannabis (and those around them)will be better off than those who go hard on alcohol, coffee, vehicle speed, cigarettes etc

Cannabis is safe.
Getting high all the time, does little organ damage (or permanent brain problems) compared to the rest

Here in NZ, currently the doc will prescribe SSRI et al, which is far more damaging (due to toxicity) than a self medicating weed smoker

Note: many sicknesses are caused by society
ie: high functioning artistic/autistic difference treated as a disorder, instead of only a difference
those not interested in profit, career... relegated to the status of loser and dis-empowered to the point of developing a crisis of ego, seeking to diminish these (society imposed) emotions out with drug use

Police create hippies
hippies create police

Until a natural balance is in place, unnatural things like drug addiction will emerge.

Its a symptom of disenfranchised outsiders (autists, blacks, gays, strong independent men not willing to be sheep) wanting a place in the world, denied to them by the majority, Caesar's ugly mob of self righteous followers. Many peps cannot play your game, they are not hard wired from birth to do that. yet you have no compassion or understanding of different others.

You expect an aboriginal in the middle of nowhere with no hope, to pull his socks up??

Giving those who are different, a chance at a normal life, will give hope and reduce the impetus to blot out reality.

Until that happens, treating addiction as a health problem (rather than a legal problem) will halve the addicted pot smokers in NZ.

Light recreational users are in no way a problem, maybe even a benefit to society, by reducing community stress, and keeping hospital beds free for those suffering from stress related illnesses, food disorders, and drinking problems

[Edbear]

Not really, I was more amused at the antics and speech of the stoners. The shooting was amusing in the light of comments about how the drug relaxes you and reduces violent tendencies.

The whole scene was hardly a great advert for the "benefits" of cannabis use.


Why is it off-topic? You're alluding to human behaviour relating to drink and drugs. I was alluding to human behaviour that wasn't related to drink and drugs. There is a link, but it isn't substance related eeezeeet.

But your second sentence hits the nail on the head to the point where whether someone is drunk or stoned is irrelevant... and is only used to allow people to get all righteous on the druggies saying that it's a good thing that they're illegal because it's the drugs that make them do it... where that isn't the case.


Bottom line:

Cannabis is non toxic and safe
Most will use responsibly
Some sick ( autism) peps will seek to be a free of society unfair judgements

In the end, those who go hard on cannabis (and those around them)will be better off than those who go hard on alcohol, coffee, vehicle speed, cigarettes etc

Cannabis is safe.
Getting high all the time, does little organ damage (or permanent brain problems) compared to the rest

Here in NZ, currently the doc will prescribe SSRI et al, which is far more damaging (due to toxicity) than a self medicating weed smoker

Note: many sicknesses are caused by society
ie: high functioning artistic/autistic difference treated as a disorder, instead of only a difference
those not interested in profit, career... relegated to the status of loser and dis-empowered to the point of developing a crisis of ego, seeking to diminish these (society imposed) emotions out with drug use

Police create hippies
hippies create police

Until a natural balance is in place, unnatural things like drug addiction will emerge.

Its a symptom of disenfranchised outsiders (autists, blacks, gays, strong independent men not willing to be sheep) wanting a place in the world, denied to them by the majority, Caesar's ugly mob of self righteous followers. Many peps cannot play your game, they are not hard wired from birth to do that. yet you have no compassion or understanding of different others.

You expect an aboriginal in the middle of nowhere with no hope, to pull his socks up??

Giving those who are different, a chance at a normal life, will give hope and reduce the impetus to blot out reality.

Until that happens, treating addiction as a health problem (rather than a legal problem) will halve the addicted pot smokers in NZ.

Light recreational users are in no way a problem, maybe even a benefit to society, by reducing community stress, and keeping hospital beds free for those suffering from stress related illnesses, food disorders, and drinking problems

All I can do is refer you to my quoted post for the point I was making.

[blue rider]

All I can do is refer you to my quoted post for the point I was making.

with all due respect ED, you have not made a valid point for a long time.

You are here to troll, you add nothing of substance.

go away, please.