MotoGP 2016

[Autech]

I'm basing my opinion on the way he rode at Valencia 2014.

Which was brilliant! Best moto3 championship ever imo. Shame Kent didnt pull off that last lap move on Marquez junior to give Miller the championship.


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[Crasherfromwayback]

Which was brilliant! Best moto3 championship ever imo.

Yeah for sure the championship was a goodin, Miller's riding at that round not so. Filthiest, most dangerous display I've ever seen. And if any cunt had ever done that to me in my time, I would've run them into the dirt.

[Autech]

Yeah for sure the championship was a goodin, Miller's riding at that round not so. Filthiest, most dangerous display I've ever seen. And if any cunt had ever done that to me in my time, I would've run them into the dirt.

Just like Marquez did to him on the wet track? Goes both ways :innocent:. Miller has an awesome ability to put a bike exactly where he wants it on track. At that time it was up the inside of young Alex. But we have already been over this at the time from memory :violin:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just like Marquez did to him on the wet track? Goes both ways :innocent:. :

I've yet to see that. And even IF he did...far cry from using some cunt as a berm every single corner mate. Picking your bike up mid corner to run another off the track is neither good nor clever, and it's most certainly not skillful. But what would I know?

[pritch]

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/04/07/2016_argentina_motogp_post_race_notes_on.html

[Metastable]

I got a Chuckle....
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2016/motogp/quota/1s/5t.htm

Unfortunate exhaust system names for $300, Alex.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2016/motogp/quota/1s/5t.jpg

[malcy25]

Scott Redding on Miller: "He was riding like a f**cking out of control lunatic and then he crashes again."

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/229158/1/mystery-power-fault-for-redding-unhappy-with-miller.html

What do they say, any one faster is riding like a lunatic and anyone slower is a muppet!

Redding's comments (and I do like the guy!) smacks of "the bastard was quicker than me and showed me up, so I have to bag him."

Most of the real experts (as opposed to the arm chair ones) say that it's easier to stop a fast guy crashing than make a slow guy who doesn't crash, go fast. Miller I think is trying to make sure he gets seen as the former this year so as to not end up in the cycle of being a journeyman and succumb to a life of second tier bikes, scratching for a ride every year.

[carbonhed]

What do they say, any one faster is riding like a lunatic and anyone slower is a muppet!

Redding's comments (and I do like the guy!) smacks of "the bastard was quicker than me and showed me up, so I have to bag him."

Most of the real experts (as opposed to the arm chair ones) say that it's easier to stop a fast guy crashing than make a slow guy who doesn't crash, go fast. Miller I think is trying to make sure he gets seen as the former this year so as to not end up in the cycle of being a journeyman and succumb to a life of second tier bikes, scratching for a ride every year.

So when Miller shot past Lorenzo you thought "sweet he's on for a podium here"?

Personally I Just ignored it because it was a racing certainty that he'd be on his arse in no time... nek minnit...

Don't think riding like a twat is going to help his future. Solid qualifying and finishing in the points just might.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't think riding like a twat is going to help his future. Solid qualifying and finishing in the points just might.

Correct. He'll still be a fuckwit though.

[malcy25]

So when Miller shot past Lorenzo you thought "sweet he's on for a podium here"?

Personally I Just ignored it because it was a racing certainty that he'd be on his arse in no time... nek minnit...

Don't think riding like a twat is going to help his future. Solid qualifying and finishing in the points just might.

Where did I mention passing Lorenzo and how is that relevant?

Hell, sold results and finishing in the points did a lot for Smith. Got the "Don't Come Monday" at the start of the season and signing with KTM for 2017. :banana:

But look at the likes of Laverty, Bradl etc, good solid riders who get the occassional surprise result, but I think will spend life lost in the mid field. Miller is getting noticed, sure, not for the right things at times, but he's showing massive improvement and the team managers will be thinking "okay he's riding like a twat at times, but he as the speed and we'll get him under control"

Schwantz biffed up the road a shit load in the early days, as did Doohan (hell his nickname in 1989 was "Dead by June"), Abe, Carlos Checka (Aka Chucka) and a bunch of others. BUT they all got works rides.....

[carbonhed]

Hell, sold results and finishing in the points did a lot for Smith. Got the "Don't Come Monday" at the start of the season and signing with KTM for 2017. :banana:



No he didn't. Herve was practically begging him to say.

Honda gave Millar the hard word last year. Solid qualifying and points...

[malcy25]

No he didn't. Herve was practically begging him to say.



Begging to stay huh......must be the French way of showing it!

"On the eve of this weekend's Qatar season-opener Smith revealed there would not be a place for him at Tech 3 next season, as Yamaha looks to develop new young stars for the future.

Tech 3 boss Herve Poncharal later played down talk that Smith or team-mate Pol Espargaro were definitely out, but the 25-year-old had probably already made up his mind to join the Austrian manufacturer. "

[carbonhed]

Hell, sold results and finishing in the points did a lot for Smith. Got the "Don't Come Monday" at the start of the season and signing with KTM for 2017. :banana:



No he didn't.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/228520/1/poncharal-smith-still-has-2017-tech-3-chance.html

[pritch]

No he didn't. Herve was practically begging him to say.



Poncharal might have liked to keep Smith but that was not an option. He said the Tech3 role is to bring through young riders, neither Smith nor Espagro are young now, therefore both got the heave to make way for a couple of up and comers.

[Autech]

Poncharal might have liked to keep Smith but that was not an option. He said the Tech3 role is to bring through young riders, neither Smith nor Espagro are young now, therefore both got the heave to make way for a couple of up and comers.

Ignoring when he had Crutchlow and Dovi of course.

Wonder if Aprilia or ktm will be able to have the promise the Suzuki is showing us?


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[pritch]

So Rossi went fastest then crashed.
Marquez went fastest then crashed - but stayed fastest.
Laverty crashed.
And SURPRISE - Miller crashed.
For a few minutes there it started to look like nine pins.

Other than that MM has not been beat in MotoGP at Austin, and the early numbers suggest no change, it would seem wide open.

MM
JL
VR
AD
DP

[carbonhed]

Marquez up by 7 tenths from Iannone. Holy crap.

Nice rides by Vinales, Redding and Baz.

Looks like Honda might have sorted the traction issues on corner exit. Marquez's top speeds are right up there with the Ducati's.

[pritch]

Rossi says he thought the Honda problem was with electronics. "Unfortunately it doesn't take long to fix electronics."

Bradley Smith gave up on his settings and is starting again from scratch. "Today is the first day of pre-season."

Have to say the various pundits were seriously wide of the mark in their pre-practice assessments. The Honda was not supposed to be able to accelerate which would affect their performance on the two straights at CotA. The Suzuki's relative lack of speed would also be a problem.

Apparently neither Marquez nor Vinales read the pundits?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Apparently neither Marquez nor Vinales read the pundits?

MM owns this place like Stoner owned Phillip Island.

[malcy25]

No he didn't.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/228520/1/poncharal-smith-still-has-2017-tech-3-chance.html

1) it took a long time for T3 to give him a contract for 2016. Makers you feel welcome eh, when your team mate signed months before (though admittedly direct with Yamaha) and you are sweating on even getting an offer out of the team.
2) He's gone at end of 2016.

Case closed.

Question will be can KTM get to say the level of Suzuki at 2015 without working inside the paddock - will they get to test with the current bikes anytime this year?

[carbonhed]

MM owns this place like Stoner owned Phillip Island.

Heeees baaaack. I can see how this ends. Full spectrum dominanace.

Faaaark

Don't count out Rossi? It'll be a good day when he podiums.

:facepalm: Noooooooooooooo

[pritch]

For those of you who are going to be around long enough to see it?

Stoner posted a video clip of his daughter Ally riding a motorbike (electric) around a slalom course of cardboard boxes. She wasn't steering with the rear or any of that, but she had a bit of a lean on. At what, 2 or 3 years old?

[BMWST?]

MV is looking good again.surely only a matter of a few more meets before a podium.Another spaniard may be more than VR can stand?

[pritch]

Sorry Pete. Miller is out until Jerez. He crashed and broke a metatarsal but the previously injured ankle is also a concern.

[Autech]

So predictions are thus:
MM
JL
VR
AD
DP
MV

AI DNF


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[Crasherfromwayback]

Sorry Pete. Miller is out until Jerez. He crashed and broke a metatarsal but the previously injured ankle is also a concern.

Odd eh. Stoner was called a pussy by many, but managed to race at Indy with a totally destroyed ankle.

[Oscar]

MM owns this place like Stoner owned Phillip Island.

Er - if wanna get technical: VR has won seven races at the island to CS's six.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Er - if wanna get technical: VR has won seven races at the island to CS's six.

And how many did your BF win there when up against Stoner Oscar? I'll give you a clue...it rhymes with hero. So if you want to get REALLY technical, you could most def say STONER owned it. But as always Oscar, your man love for Rossi can't let you see the facts. Stoner OWNED Rossi round there. And everyone else for that matter. And if you ask who won more races head to head...Stoner or Rossi, we both know that answer too eh? Despite Stoner spending one season on inferior (as in non factory) equipment.

[Oscar]

And how many did your BF win there when up against Stoner Oscar? I'll give you a clue...it rhymes with hero. So if you want to get REALLY technical, you could most def say STONER owned it. But as always Oscar, your man love for Rossi can't let you see the facts. Stoner OWNED Rossi round there. And everyone else for that matter. And if you ask who won more races head to head...Stoner or Rossi, we both know that answer too eh? Despite Stoner spending one season on inferior (as in non factory) equipment.

I wish the trout bit like you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I wish the trout bit like you.

Odd response seeing as it was you that took the first bite eh?

[Oscar]

Odd response seeing as it was you that took the first bite eh?

No, your initial post regrading ownership of PI was like the head of a big dumb jack trout breaking the surface on a foggy Taupo morning.
I just cast a nice lure and hung on...

[Crasherfromwayback]

No, your initial post regrading ownership of PI was like ..

Real facts. Yep, you're (for once) correct! How will you feel I wonder, if CS does a wild card at PI, and gives Rossi another hiding there?

[george formby]

Real facts. Yep, you're (for once) correct! How will you feel I wonder, if CS does a wild card at PI, and gives Rossi another hiding there?

I for one would love to see CS wildcard. :woohoo:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I for one would love to see CS wildcard. :woohoo:

Me too obviously. Not sure it'll happen though. Be pretty fucking funny if he did, and did the bizz though.

[malcy25]

And how many did your BF win there when up against Stoner Oscar? I'll give you a clue...it rhymes with hero. So if you want to get REALLY technical, you could most def say STONER owned it. But as always Oscar, your man love for Rossi can't let you see the facts. Stoner OWNED Rossi round there. And everyone else for that matter. And if you ask who won more races head to head...Stoner or Rossi, we both know that answer too eh? Despite Stoner spending one season on inferior (as in non factory) equipment.

Yep, I'm a big Rossi fan while Stoner and moaner rhyme quite well, but hell, Stoner nailed PI and the biggest baddest corner in the place (T3) has his name on it Officially for good reason. The previous tenant was Rossi though! :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep, I'm a big Rossi fan while Stoner and moaner rhyme quite well, but hell, Stoner nailed PI and the biggest baddest corner in the place (T3) has his name on it Officially for good reason. The previous tenant was Rossi though! :laugh:

Lol. You just go get my Steinies mate!

[malcy25]

Lol. You just go get my Steinies mate!

You can wait. Rossi's going to beat Lorenzo and then you'll be buying and serving with some humble pie!

[Crasherfromwayback]

You can wait. Rossi's going to beat Lorenzo and then you'll be buying and serving with some humble pie!

No he ain't. Just like last year. Even with the odd DNF from Lorenzo...he's too fast for your boy. Make 'em good and cold.

[carbonhed]

No he ain't. Just like last year. Even with the odd DNF from Lorenzo...he's too fast for your boy. Make 'em good and cold.

To be fair, Rossi's qualifying has improved out of sight since he started drafting Vinales everywhere :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

To be fair, Rossi's qualifying has improved out of sight since he started drafting Vinales everywhere :laugh:

And to be fair...it is fucking incredible that the Old Boy is still able to cut it. But he ain't gonna win that tenth title. I said that three seasons ago, and he's had his closest crack.

[george formby]

And to be fair...it is fucking incredible that the Old Boy is still able to cut it. But he ain't gonna win that tenth title. I said that three seasons ago, and he's had his closest crack.

I'm a fan but agree. Like an old dog he still has the fight but needs luck to win. Still, the grid looks better with Rossi than without him. He's a wildcard in every race nowadays.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm a fan but agree. Like an old dog he still has the fight but needs luck to win. Still, the grid looks better with Rossi than without him. He's a wildcard in every race nowadays.

He'll be teaching the new crew race craft if nothing else!

[pritch]

I see that Rossi is desperate enough to try wings for the first time during the season. Baby steps though. His wings are a fraction of the size of the things sported by his team mate.

Interesting comment by Smith. Not quite sure what he's implying, but he said Ducati tend to do well at the first three races. Those tracks are not used much and are all consequently low grip. The Ducati handles low grip surfaces well.

Not sure if he's implying that they won't do as well at Jerez but we'll have an idea in a couple of weeks.

[Oscar]

I see that Rossi is desperate enough to try wings for the first time during the season. Baby steps though. His wings are a fraction of the size of the things sported by his team mate.

Interesting comment by Smith. Not quite sure what he's implying, but he said Ducati tend to do well at the first three races. Those tracks are not used much and are all consequently low grip. The Ducati handles low grip surfaces well.

Not sure if he's implying that they won't do as well at Jerez but we'll have an idea in a couple of weeks.

Did you see the small wings on MM's bike?
New air intake too, I think.

[Autech]

Did you see the small wings on MM's bike?
New air intake too, I think.

And Dani is miles back. The fuck!

Oh well, such is life.


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[Oscar]

And Dani is miles back. The fuck!



I have money on that useless little gnome...

[malcy25]

No he ain't. Just like last year. Even with the odd DNF from Lorenzo...he's too fast for your boy. Make 'em good and cold.

Don't count your beer caps yet!

[BMWST?]

Sorry Pete. Miller is out until Jerez. He crashed and broke a metatarsal but the previously injured ankle is also a concern.
its his inured ankle that has flared up again,sweeling etc makes the older injury the issue.He thinks he may have maybe damaged the plates and or screws.

[Dadpole]

And I am still unwilling to pick a top 3. Iannone perhaps? Yep... I will put the mockers on him.

[Drew]

Crutchlow's brollie girl looks like Elvira.

[speights_bud]

Gotta feel for Dovi. That poor bastard.

[Drew]

Gotta feel for Dovi. That poor bastard.

He'll be proper slutted. He was way off line when he got hit, prolly would have been ok if he was on line.

[speights_bud]

He'll be proper slutted. He was way off line when he got hit, prolly would have been ok if he was on line.
I reckon so. At least it was perhaps the most genuine rider in Pedrosa who made the mistake. Imagine the hate if it had been someone else....

Good one on Dani at least for apologising trackside and then again in the pits. Got the feeling he was just circulating to give Ducati a chance to regroup. The left bar looked pretty bent when they picked the bike up

[Badjelly]

I reckon so. At least it was perhaps the most genuine rider in Pedrosa who made the mistake. Imagine the hate if it had been someone else....

How things change. I seem to recall that 10 years ago Pedrosa took out some American rider and got quite a lot of hate...

[Autech]

Fuck, if anyone had told me that all the front runners would have DNF'd by round 3 EXCEPT Marquez, I would have told them to get their head read :shit:...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck, if anyone had told me that all the front runners would have DNF'd by round 3 EXCEPT Marquez, I would have told them to get their head read :shit:...

Gonna be an MM/Lorenzo show all year.

[Autech]

Gonna be an MM/Lorenzo show all year.

From my seat it looked like JL was destined for 4th if DP hadn't had his whoopsy.


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[denill]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160410mnx.htm

Bring out the popcorn

[Brett]

Gonna be an MM/Lorenzo show all year.

MM maybe, not so sure about JL. Also, chuck in some wet weather racing and some technical issues...? It's still early days in the championship. One crash in testing, practice etc. could see one of them out with an injury too. But yeah, all things being equal, the solid money would be betting on one of those two to take the title.

[Crasherfromwayback]

From my seat it looked like JL was destined for 4th if DP hadn't had his whoopsy.


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Think you must've been watching a diff race to me then.

[Autech]

Think you must've been watching a diff race to me then.

Dovi and Pedrosa were going to make him their bitch.


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[Mersey moptop]

Has the serial crasher retired this season? dad must have run out of money

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dovi and Pedrosa were going to make him their bitch.


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http://superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160408iu.htm

http://superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160408loga.htm

http://superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160409ws0ola.htm

http://superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160409ws0ola.htm

You reckon? Think you need to take your rose tinted specs off Bro. Like I said...we were watching different races obviously.

[carbonhed]

Crazy number of people tossing themselves down the road reduced the race to a procession.

Marquez awesome. Lorenzo had a good solid ride to get over the disappointments of Argentina.

Dovi would be second in the Championship if other people hadn't punted him off repeatedly.

Did I hear right that that was the first time Rossi has been out of the top five in 25 races? :eek: So that's two fourth places earned and a DNF... going to be much harder to be the champion of third place finishes this year.

Rins gets back where he belongs in Moto2.

[actungbaby]

Crutchlow's brollie girl looks like Elvira.

Mistress of the dark lol i dunno havent watched race yet wife a real dragon oh not motorbikes again

but she watchs repeats shortland street i check it out tonight . i already read on crash .net i cant wait to find the result

bloody hell danny taking out dovi . guy must be getting bit hacked of , well surpose makes change

I thought crutchlows had his mrs doing that , they go all pc when get married dam them.

[actungbaby]

Me too obviously. Not sure it'll happen though. Be pretty fucking funny if he did, and did the bizz though.

I tell you what brizzare thing chould happen mm joining rossi at yamaha know that whould be akward. nothing impossible

you whouldint think honda let that happen but cant force someone to ride there bikes,

[pritch]

Has the serial crasher retired this season? dad must have run out of money

There's competition for that title. Crutchlow is currently mounting a serious challenge to Ianonne. Another contender, Abraham, went to Superbikes in search of new fields to conquer. (In a manner of speaking.)

[actungbaby]

No he ain't. Just like last year. Even with the odd DNF from Lorenzo...he's too fast for your boy. Make 'em good and cold.

I rekon he got faster this year prob takin him 3 years to get back from those lost years , well most normal humans .

whould never recover. so no matter what he does very imprssive to fight back , am no fan though.

[BMWST?]

From my seat it looked like JL was destined for 4th if DP hadn't had his whoopsy.


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DP would never have gained on Lorenzo.He was barely able to get past AD,Lorenzo was a long way ahead.

[roogazza]

320946

Bugger Vale :no:, ctrl alt del ! Jerez next !

[Autech]

http://superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160408iu.htm

http://superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160408loga.htm

http://superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160409ws0ola.htm

http://superbikeplanet.com/2016/Apr/160409ws0ola.htm

You reckon? Think you need to take your rose tinted specs off Bro. Like I said...we were watching different races obviously.

“The bike was the same as in practice, but I was just trying to ride it in a different way. I had to,” he said. “Just a different way of applying the power and a different way of turning the bike. It made me a little bit stronger but not everything, it is not all the way.

“But I've been struggling like crazy this weekend and I think I was able to finish second today. I had to go to the end, fight with Lorenzo and see how the tyre would last because I was using the soft rear. But I was there and in practice, no.

So I think I will take Dani's prediction over yours, rumour has it he knows what he is doing. He was gaining on both riders when he went down. Interesting to see that he has changed his riding style, lets hope next round he will be in the pointy end in quali, once again he got a rocket start :headbang:

Now on to the winglets, one of the aliens wants them banned now: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/229324/1/pedrosa-its-lucky-i-dont-have-wings.html
So it was Ianonne's wing that took off Marquez's camera... Interesting. I will watch this space with great interest.

[Dadpole]

After that lot I will give up predicting results. I will stick with giving a 50-50 on me being alive tomorrow.

I can't get over how close Crutchlow was to being hit by the bike of Smith. I did enjoy the little jump in the air in case anything else was following.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So I think I will take Dani's prediction over yours, .

I think I was able to finish second, if I hadn't have made a numpty mistake and torpedoed Dovi. At no point in the weekend was he as fast as Lorenzo, so it's all hot air really eh? If your aunty had balls etc etc

[Autech]

After that lot I will give up predicting results. I will stick with giving a 50-50 on me being alive tomorrow.

I can't get over how close Crutchlow was to being hit by the bike of Smith. I did enjoy the little jump in the air in case anything else was following.

Yeah it was a funny little jump n skip. Oh well at least he had company.


I think I was able to finish second, if I hadn't have made a numpty mistake and torpedoed Dovi. At no point in the weekend was he as fast as Lorenzo, so it's all hot air really eh? If your aunty had balls etc etc

Except the race, which is where it matters eh? But you are quite right, all this is irrelevant as he fucked up over that rise n lost the bike. Case closed. That is racing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Except the race, which is where it matters eh? But you are quite right, all this is irrelevant as he fucked up over that rise n lost the bike. Case closed. That is racing.

Correct.

Dani Pedrosa not classified

"It was a rather difficult weekend overall. The practice sessions didn't go entirely well, but I approached the race with hope and I think we started quite well. I gained positions and was in a very good group, and I think we could have fought with Lorenzo for second place; the pace we had was much better than in practice. Unfortunately, I made a small mistake, losing the front end under braking when I was still turning into the corner. I lost control and tried to save the crash, but I ended up going down and taking Dovizioso with me. It's a shame to have finished the race in that way, and I feel especially bad for Andrea and want to apologise to him. I'm glad he's fine. The good news is that we took a big step forward from practice to the race. Now we must carefully look into the data we collected during the race and try to build on it for the Jerez GP in two weeks' time."

I think I could've fought with Lorenzo for second place...diff to "I could've beaten..." And like I said, his times were never faster than....so pretty hopeful really. But there'll be tracks where Dani will dust Lorenzo off, we all know how fast he can be on any given day.

[carbonhed]

It would be great if Pedro could get that bike working up at the pointy end.

[roogazza]

I can't get over how close Crutchlow was to being hit by the bike of Smith. I did enjoy the little jump in the air in case anything else was following.

He was moving pretty well for a guy with Gout! Hearing a bike scraping along the track behind you is an insentive to jump huh ? lol.

#93 is back to his old self,hard to bet against a guy who can ride like that.

[pritch]

#93 is back to his old self,hard to bet against a guy who can ride like that.

Marquez said his front tyre had stopped working before the end of the race and the latter stages were an ongoing series of saves as the front end let go.

Riding the ragged edge.

[Autech]

Marquez said his front tyre had stopped working before the end of the race and the latter stages were an ongoing series of saves as the front end let go.

Riding the ragged edge.

Yup. It's only a matter of time till he DNF's which will bring the top 6 all back together with 1 DNF each. As Pedrosa proved with his race pace over his practice pace the riders will improve in leaps and bounds. SUCH A GOOD SEASON! We may not see such a season as this for another 15 years so lets enjoy :headbang:

[Dadpole]

Riding the ragged edge.
Business as usual then?

If that is the case, I might pick him for the title this year. :facepalm:

I will reserve judgement until after a European round or two (Or until after the last race)

Did anyone pick the top 3 for COTA? (Before the race that is)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Business as usual then?

If that is the case, I might pick him for the title this year. :facepalm:

I will reserve judgement until after a European round or two (Or until after the last race)

Did anyone pick the top 3 for COTA? (Before the race that is)

I got the winner and third correct I think.

[pritch]

I got the winner and third correct I think.

I had 1 & 2 but Rossi, Pedro and Dovi all let me down, (or in Dovi's case was himself let down - suddenly).

All those DNFs woulda stuffed up most peoples' picks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. As Pedrosa proved with his race pace over his practice pace the riders will improve in leaps and bounds.:

Here's a few numbers for ya mate...

Lap 1 JL 207.646

DP 208.047

Lap 2 JL 205.553

DP 205.823

Lap 3 DP 205.147

JL 205.299

Lap 4 JL 204.908

DP 204.950

Lap 5 DP 205.253

JL 205.318

Lap 6 JL 205.175

DP 205.21

Lap 7 JL 205.249

DP 253.945

So no, DP was not looking like making JL his bitch despite your wildest dreams. JL faster than DP in 4 out of the first 6 laps and actually staying on the bike...sure there'll be tracks where DP shows JL the way round, this track wasn't one of those.

[Autech]

So no, DP was not looking like making JL his bitch despite your wildest dreams. JL faster than DP in 4 out of the first 6 laps and actually staying on the bike...sure there'll be tracks where DP shows JL the way round, this track wasn't one of those.

Alright, numbers back at ya:

Since CoTa was introduced:
2013 -
MM
DP
JL

2014
MM
DP
-
-
JL waaaayyyy back in 10th

2015 - Dani DNS
MM
AD
VR
JL

So Dani has beaten George at every race he has started at CoTa and has finished close to MM in most races.
I put it to you that in the theoretical scenario where DP and AD had stayed put on their bikes, Dani would have dusted off the maid outfit and sent JL to his mansion to do some dusting.

While your numbers do show that JL was quicker in most laps, we didn't get enough of clear shot of both riders with a clear track to know if they could have done battle. But unfortunately this we will never know, as DP made a boo boo.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Alright, numbers back at ya:
DP made a boo boo.


Dude, who gives a flying fuck what's happened years before this one? Fuck me you're clutching at straws badly. THIS year, they have new bikes, new tyres, diff wheel sizes and spec electronics. And THIS year, DP was never faster than JL. FACT.

[malcy25]

Dude, who gives a flying fuck what's happened years before this one? FACT.

LOL, remember this when we hear from you that Stoner Beat Rossi more than Rossi beat Stoner 2006-2012!!:bleh:

[Autech]

LOL, remember this when we hear from you that Stoner Beat Rossi more than Rossi beat Stoner 2006-2012!!:bleh:

Yup he said as much in a rep comment to me. Passionate fans we both are!

GO DANI!


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[Crasherfromwayback]

LOL, remember this when we hear from you that Stoner Beat Rossi more than Rossi beat Stoner 2006-2012!!:bleh:

Think you need to put that back into the correct context matey.

[Autech]

Think you need to put that back into the correct context matey.

I will paraphrase: you used to think the source of that yellow light in the sky was omitted from Casey Stoner's Gluteus Maximus...


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[Crasherfromwayback]

I will paraphrase: you used to think the source of that yellow light in the sky was omitted from Casey Stoner's Gluteus Maximus...


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What do you mean *used* to? :headbang:

[5150]

:girlfight::jerry::corn:

[Autech]

What do you mean *used* to? :headbang:

Haha, should we fire it up properly and discuss how often Pedrosa finished ahead of Stoner in the 125s, 250s and Motogp? Though sadly never on the top spot in the top class like Stoner achieved.

[Ntoxcated]

I will paraphrase: you used to think the source of that yellow light in the sky was omitted from Casey Stoner's Gluteus Maximus.

*emitted :innocent:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Haha, should we fire it up properly and discuss how often Pedrosa finished ahead of Stoner in the 125s, 250s and Motogp? Though sadly never on the top spot in the top class like Stoner achieved.

They had some good 250 races, but Pedro was an absolute weapon on them. Stoner really seemed to have got the better of the big boys though eh.

[carbonhed]

Barring injuries to Marquez or Lorenzo I can't see Rossi recovering from this start to the season.

He'll have to actually start winning races and he's only won one of the last thirteen GP's... at Silverstone in the rain.

Last year he won two of the first three races. But Pedrosa was injured, Marquez's Honda was shite and Lorenzo got off to a slow start.

This year he's got an improving Pedrosa, Iannone and Dovisioso plus Vinales to battle with for the minor places... and he's not even winning those battles anymore.

If he hadn't inherited second in Argentina, after settling for fourth, he'd be battling with Barbera for sixth in the Championship.

Plus he's managed to turn Marquez into a mortal enemy... he no longer has the chops for that battle... if he ever gets close enough.

[Berries]

Barring injuries to Marquez or Lorenzo I can't see Rossi recovering from this start to the season.

Snip of mouth frothing and possible rampant masturbation while wearing an AGV helmet.

Plus he's managed to turn Marquez into a mortal enemy... he no longer has the chops for that battle... if he ever gets close enough.
You have some weird obsession to keep going off topic just to post your latest rant. The way you go on it seems you must be holding a candle for him?

[eelracing]

The way you go on it seems you must be holding a candle for him?

Don't be to harsh on ol carbo,after all it don't take a rocket scientist to realise that history and youth is no longer on Vale's side.
Not since ex WWII bomber pilot Les Graham in 1949 has there been a 37 year old win the blue riband class.

Yet the fact that Rossi is still forcing these young-bucks to bring their A-game to every round escapes those that just cant see it.
Not for Vale to fade into the dying light...he's a fighter that still lives and breathes racing,long after every other ex-champ has retired to improve their golf swing.
That's got to be admired and only the self deluded would write him off.

[pritch]

On another note, Mat Oxley's latest in Motor Sport Magazine inspired vigorous debate overnight eventually leading Kevin Cameron to respond. Their combined information should satisfy everybody except the engineers among us.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/why-motogp-is-going-backwards/

[Grumph]

That's all been known for years. Practically, it made no difference to things until power levels rose to the point where it was worth doing. I'd imagine that electronics can only do so much to help above a certain power level which is when you start looking at the architecture of the machinery.
Oxley's missing one thing too - if you're going to do a major redesign to reverse rotation, you don't have to stick with the crossover gearbox layout which requires a jackshaft.... It's quite feasible - and common - to put the final drive on the input shaft. Gives a 1:1 top which may upset the ratio choices available but with the budgets available, shouldn't be a problem.

[pritch]

That's all been known for years. Practically, it made no difference to things until power levels rose to the point where it was worth doing.

I doubt that the MotoGuzzi single mentioned by Cameron made many ponies. The Honda two strokes made more, but not as much as the big four strokes.

The M1 has been using reverse rotation since Rossi went to Yamaha, and now (thirteeen years later?) it would seem everybody has been converted.
So while it may have all been known for years it has taken until now for the advantages to become unanimous, and for that to be deemed worthy of mention.

[Dave-]

I was always taught the gyroscopic effect of the wheels contributed piss all to the overall stability of the bike, the drive train even less so.

I guess at the height of motorcycle racing though these tiny factors are just some of the many tiny factors that can make a noticeable difference.

[Badjelly]

I was always taught the gyroscopic effect of the wheels contributed piss all to the overall stability of the bike, the drive train even less so.

Whoa, that's getting a bit technical! Based on the comments of Kevin Cameron (whom I trust more than I trust Mat Oxley, or anyone else, on these matters), I think the effect is somewhere between "piss all" and "completely dominates the handling of the vehicle".

Back in 5th form physics...(Do they still teach physics in the 5th form these days? Do they have a 5th form?)...the teacher had a bicycle wheel with a handle on each end of the axle. We used to spin the thing pretty fast (another precise technical term) and then try to alter the orientation of the axle. It kicked back pretty hard. Having some familiarity with the steering characteristics of bicycles, I reckon that forces of that magnitude have to have an effect, though I'm ready to believe that what allows you to stay upright has more to do with the trail built into the steering and the lateral forces on the contact patch.

[roogazza]

The M1 has been using reverse rotation since Rossi went to Yamaha, and now (thirteeen years later?) it would seem everybody has been converted.
So while it may have all been known for years it has taken until now for the advantages to become unanimous, and for that to be deemed worthy of mention.

Yeah pritch, I'm surprised Honda havn't been running theirs backwards until now ?
The choices Rossi (and his Aussie Tech at the time) made,turned the M1 something special for 2004.

Quite enjoy reading Mat Oxleys writing on 'motorsportmagazine' myself.:cool:

[Drew]

That's all been known for years. Practically, it made no difference to things until power levels rose to the point where it was worth doing. I'd imagine that electronics can only do so much to help above a certain power level which is when you start looking at the architecture of the machinery.
Oxley's missing one thing too - if you're going to do a major redesign to reverse rotation, you don't have to stick with the crossover gearbox layout which requires a jackshaft.... It's quite feasible - and common - to put the final drive on the input shaft. Gives a 1:1 top which may upset the ratio choices available but with the budgets available, shouldn't be a problem.It's moocho easier these days than it was too. Stacked gearboxes means either shaft can be nice and close to the swingarm pivot. Unlike my stupid GT125 motor of old.

[pritch]

I seem to recall that before they withdrew from GPs Kawasaki had been trying to improve the ability of their bike to change direction. They shortened the steering geometry until the bike became a twitchy beast of a thing to ride.

It would probably have been Jeremy Burgess, rather than Rossi, who gave direction to the Yamaha engineers. I was looking forward to Burgess's book but so far it doesn't look like a book is forthcoming. Pity, he'd have a lot of stories to tell. Alex Briggs said Burgess was busy working on his golf game though.

[pritch]

Cameron says the English writers thought the Moto Guzzi's ability to change direction was down to it's "low centre-of-gravity". You can see why they might have thought that. KC attributes the turning ability to the engine rotating in reverse. Looking at the picture it's possible they are all correct.
The picure also provides evidence of a lost art: flywheel painting.:rolleyes:

[Dave-]

Back in 5th form physics...(Do they still teach physics in the 5th form these days? Do they have a 5th form?)...the teacher had a bicycle wheel with a handle on each end of the axle. We used to spin the thing pretty fast (another precise technical term) and then try to alter the orientation of the axle. It kicked back pretty hard. Having some familiarity with the steering characteristics of bicycles, I reckon that forces of that magnitude have to have an effect, though I'm ready to believe that what allows you to stay upright has more to do with the trail built into the steering and the lateral forces on the contact patch.

Ah, that bicycle wheel trick is half of an interesting experiment.

So you remember how you could overcome the gyro effect? Yes it was a little difficult (and obviously proportional to the wheel characteristics). Keep this in mind.

Now have a friend sit on a bike and lean over, your job is to hold them up, by the axle.

Which do you think is harder? Hold your friend + bike up by the axle, or over come the gyro force on the wheel spinning?

edit: also, this is just how it was explained to me, that person may have been wrong. I'm open to discussion.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was always taught the gyroscopic effect of the wheels contributed piss all to the overall stability of the bike, the drive train even less so.



You'd be amazed the diff it makes. Many many years ago, when racing 883's for the first time, I wondered how the top Aussies that came over could go round the sweeper at Manfield at the pace they were (I sure as fuck couldn't). So I sat out one practice session and watched them. Fuck me...they were all leaving the bike in top gear (to keep the revs and crank inertia down), only banging it down a couple on the way out. Once I copied that, I was away. I'd been using the gearbox to try and slow the old girl down,as the brakes were shit. The crank inertia was making the thing go straight ahead.


Cameron says the English writers thought the Moto Guzzi's ability to change direction was down to it's "low centre-of-gravity". You can see why they might have thought that. KC attributes the turning ability to the engine rotating in reverse. Looking at the picture it's possible they are all correct. The picure also provides evidence of a lost art: flywheel painting.:rolleyes:

You can also have the weight too low. Just as Honda did with the fuel tank under the bike, pipes over the top on one of their NSR500's. They become like a Tommy Tippy and you can't get 'em to change direction quickly at all.

[Grumph]

Cameron says the English writers thought the Moto Guzzi's ability to change direction was down to it's "low centre-of-gravity". You can see why they might have thought that. KC attributes the turning ability to the engine rotating in reverse. Looking at the picture it's possible they are all correct.
The picure also provides evidence of a lost art: flywheel painting.:rolleyes:

Wrong Guzzi - the reputation was earned in the mid 50's by the 350 and 250's. Which had a space frame with the tank only just above the motor...and forks whose mass was centered around the steering axis. Stiff frame,low steering inertia, what was for the time very good suspension and an all up weight which was very very light...All the things we look for now for a quick steering bike. Including the modern buzz word - mass centralisation.

Not surprising they were nearly unbeatable at the time.

[Autech]

They become like a Tommy Tippy and you can't get 'em to change direction quickly at all.

Ahhh but will they stand upright when you fall off? Or kick it over in the pits out of frustration?


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[Badjelly]

Meanwhile, Maverick Vinales may be unable to move to Yamaha in 2017 if he gets a podium in 2016, which looks rather likely.

https://motomatters.com/news/2016/04/14/suzuki_private_test_on_progress_with_the.html

So Yamaha are looking at substitutes for just one year, but what rider (who's any good) wants to come into a factory team for just one year?

Great stuff! :jerry:

[Grumph]

Meanwhile, Maverick Vinales may be unable to move to Yamaha in 2017 if he gets a podium in 2016, which looks rather likely.

So Yamaha are looking at substitutes for just one year, but what rider (who's any good) wants to come into a factory team for just one year?

Well in the 90's you'd automatically have said Cadalora...and hoped he'd stay the season...

These days they'd have to beat them off with a stick - there'll be people wanting to do it for free.

[Oscar]

Meanwhile, Maverick Vinales may be unable to move to Yamaha in 2017 if he gets a podium in 2016, which looks rather likely.

https://motomatters.com/news/2016/04/14/suzuki_private_test_on_progress_with_the.html

So Yamaha are looking at substitutes for just one year, but what rider (who's any good) wants to come into a factory team for just one year?

Great stuff! :jerry:

Dani Pedrosa.

[Luckylegs]

Meanwhile, Maverick Vinales may be unable to move to Yamaha in 2017 if he gets a podium in 2016, which looks rather likely.

https://motomatters.com/news/2016/04/14/suzuki_private_test_on_progress_with_the.html

So Yamaha are looking at substitutes for just one year, but what rider (who's any good) wants to come into a factory team for just one year?

Great stuff! :jerry:

Marco melandri

[bogan]

Which do you think is harder? Hold your friend + bike up by the axle, or over come the gyro force on the wheel spinning?

edit: also, this is just how it was explained to me, that person may have been wrong. I'm open to discussion.

Have you tried holding two motorycle wheels (strapped together assumedly) spining at 150kmhr? Otherwise the analogy to a pedly wheel spining at 50 odd is a little lacking...

This works also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPavvVZUCDg

[Erelyes]

Meanwhile, Maverick Vinales may be unable to move to Yamaha in 2017 if he gets a podium in 2016, which looks rather likely.

https://motomatters.com/news/2016/04/14/suzuki_private_test_on_progress_with_the.html

So Yamaha are looking at substitutes for just one year, but what rider (who's any good) wants to come into a factory team for just one year?

Great stuff! :jerry:

Cal Crutchlow? He has a 1 year deal with LCR for 2016, and has the option of 2017 too, but he's had more podiums on satellite Yamahas than he has on Ducatis or Hondas.

They may mutually agree it's better for him to try switching camps rather than a third year on Hondas, and that way LCR can hire an alien-in-training too.

[sugilite]

Crashlow should go back to superbikes.

[Autech]

Yeah the last time Yamaha put a Superbike champ on a factory bike it worked out so well...


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[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah the last time Yamaha put a Superbike champ on a factory bike it worked out so well...


At least he was the Superbike champ though. Crutchless ain't.

[Autech]

At least he was the Superbike champ though. Crutchless ain't.

Fuck you are right, I thought he had won WSBK, but only WSS, by the skin of his teeth too.

That said he keeps getting good rides, so there must be something he is good at that we aren't seeing :shake:

[Grumph]

To quote the memorable Mr Kocinsky "To get a good ride ? You've got to suck dick..."

[Erelyes]

Well, I'm not a gigantic fan of CrouchLow but I don't dislike him either. Depending on your point of view he's either never quite had the gear, or he's never quite had the X factor.

His Ducati season was abysmal, no doubt. Some of that was mechanicals tho.

And while his first Honda season wasn't great, he was the 3rd placed Honda in the championship standings. Even with 5 crashes... sorry, retirements. The next best Honda rider (Redding) had the benefit of another year's experience on the bucking broncos.

I guess three DNFs thus far this season doesn't do much for his CV.

[Drew]

To quote the memorable Mr Kocinsky "To get a good ride ? You've got to suck dick..."

Start building me a bike, and iron out the wrinkles on your Johnson then.

[Autech]

To quote the memorable Mr Kocinsky "To get a good ride ? You've got to suck dick..."

Love it!


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[Crasherfromwayback]

To quote the memorable Mr Kocinsky "To get a good ride ? You've got to suck dick..."

He must've loved the cock then, as he got some great rides.

[ellipsis]

He must've loved the cock then, as he got some great rides.

...or maybe it was 'once bitten, twice shy'...

[Crasherfromwayback]

...or maybe it was 'once bitten, twice shy'...

If some cunt bit my cock, I'd be shy about offering it up to them again too mate!

[Grumph]

If some cunt bit my cock, I'd be shy about offering it up to them again too mate!

Yeah, i'm gonna need testimonials from Drew.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, i'm gonna need testimonials from Drew.....

Or testicles if he gobbles really deeply.

[ellipsis]

...meanwhile the crews head off back to Europe where things will settle down a little and all those newcomers will be a little more familiar with their surroundings and the aliens will be more sorted too...maybe...

[Crasherfromwayback]

...meanwhile the crews head off back to Europe where things will settle down a little and all those newcomers will be a little more familiar with their surroundings and the aliens will be more sorted too...maybe...

MM will be tough to beat at Jerez I reckon.

[Drew]

Yeah, i'm gonna need testimonials from Drew.....

I've never had any complaints.

[carbonhed]

MM will be tough to beat at Jerez I reckon.

You can delete the "at Jerez" bit. Redundant like. :yes:

[Autech]

You can delete the "at Jerez" bit. Redundant like. :yes:

Fan boi


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[pritch]

...meanwhile the crews head off back to Europe where things will settle down a little and all those newcomers will be a little more familiar with their surroundings and the aliens will be more sorted too...maybe...

That's a definite maybe.

There is to be a Yamaha press conference @ Jerez. Lorenzo will be present but will not speak. Shortly thereafter (?) there will be a Ducati press conference.
If Yamaha are consistent this will mean that Lorenzo receives no new parts from now on. As Oxley points out though, the M1 is pretty good as is.

Consistency would also suggest Loenzo will be allowed to ride the Ducati at the Valencia test although his contract does not end until 31/12/16.

All of which should inspire Dovizioso and Iannone to perform?

[Dadpole]

All of which should inspire Dovizioso and Iannone to perform?

Dovi has been trying to perform. It's a conspiracy I tells ya.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo

MM

Pedro

Rossi

Dovi

[Dadpole]

I give up. Show me an arse kicking competition and I will pick the one-legged guy. :weep:

[pritch]

I give up. Show me an arse kicking competition and I will pick the one-legged guy. :weep:

Amen to that. Still, it doesn't cost anything so...

JL
MM
Rossi
Dovi
Pedro

[Autech]

Fucked if I know, but I just read some tea leaves and they say:

JL
DP
AD
VR
MV

MM - DNF

[Crasherfromwayback]

MM - DNF

Wishful thinking every round so far Bro?

[Reckless]

I know we all knew this but I didnt think he'd actually do it. Ah well good for the sport and be a damn good reshuffle. Bets who will get the top bike next year?
Ducati will be happy although one of their riders wont lol. With the new Bike and team attitude if he jells with the bike we might even see it win a title?



After three incredible titles, 41 races wins and 99 podiums together, Jorge Lorenzo and Yamaha will part ways after the 2016 season.
Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. announces that its partnership with Jorge Lorenzo will be discontinued at the close of the 2016 MotoGP™ season, when Lorenzo will move on to new racing challenges.

Since Lorenzo joined the Yamaha Factory Racing Team in 2008, Lorenzo and Yamaha have enjoyed eight fantastic seasons of racing together, during which time they have won three MotoGP™ World Championships (2010, 2012 and 2015), clinched 41 race wins and have been on the podium 99 times out of 141 races contested.

Yamaha is extremely grateful for Jorge's contributions to its racing successes and looks forward to sharing more memorable moments during the remaining 15 MotoGP™ rounds of 2016, their ninth season together.

Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. wishes Lorenzo the very best in his future racing endeavors and reconfirms the Movistar Yamaha MotoGP team’s full support on his campaign to achieve his fourth MotoGP™ title.

Having already reconfirmed Valentino Rossi for 2017-18, Yamaha will announce the future Movistar Yamaha MotoGP team riders’ line-up in due course after securing the services of the second rider.

[Oscar]

He's got the best corner speed and smoothest technique in the business.
But he's never been a scrapper and he never had to ride a bike that was trying to kill him.

[pritch]

The big interest now is who will replace JL with Vinales the almost unanimous pick. It is thought by some though that Suzuki will want to keep Vinales. In that case the field is wide open. There is talent in Moto2 but they should go to Tech 3 rather than direct to Yamaha.

There is an awful lot being written on the subject but it's all guess work. Including this. :whistle:

[Cosmik de Bris]

He's got the best corner speed and smoothest technique in the business.
But he's never been a scrapper and he never had to ride a bike that was trying to kill him.

He who? Perhaps quoting a post might help with the mind reading act.

[carbonhed]

He who? Perhaps quoting a post might help with the mind reading act.

Lorenzo. Try to work harder on your mind reading :-)

News just in... Stoner to Yamaha for 2017!















Just kidding.

[Oscar]

He who? Perhaps quoting a post might help with the mind reading act.

The previous posting Numbnuts.

[Erelyes]

Dowsing. Palm reading. Astrology. Putting numbered boxes inside an octopus tank. Pick your method, it's gonna be that hard to call!

Um...

JL
MM
AI
MV
AD

Rossi DNF

[pritch]

He's got the best corner speed and smoothest technique in the business.
But he's never been a scrapper and he never had to ride a bike that was trying to kill him.

There is really only one guy fits that description.

Not sure about the "scrapper" comment though, can't remember back to him and Simoncelli slugging it out in 250s. Just remember Barbera punting 58 into the gravel, because that pissed me off at the time.. The pundits say Lorenzo's problem when scrapping is that he can't use his normal lines and corner speed 'cause the other riders might be using that particular piece of track.

[Oscar]

There is really only one guy fits that description.

Not sure about the "scrapper" comment though, can't remember back to him and Simoncelli slugging it out in 250s. Just remember Barbera punting 58 into the gravel, because that pissed me off at the time.. The pundits say Lorenzo's problem when scrapping is that he can't use his normal lines and corner speed 'cause the other riders might be using that particular piece of track.

Yeah, I probably should have prefaced it by saying that's what he's grown into.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not sure about the "scrapper" comment though, can't remember back to him and Simoncelli slugging it out in 250s. Just remember Barbera punting 58 into the gravel, because that pissed me off at the time.. .


Yeah, I probably should have prefaced it by saying that's what he's grown into.

Yeah he was fucking great on the 250's.

[carbonhed]

Yeah he was fucking great on the 250's.

Amazing how you can come up through 125's, 250's, 250 champ twice and not be a scrapper. Must have been some kind of voodoo magic kept him safe.

it'll be interesting to see if he can better Rossi's record on the Ducati now that beating him on the same bike has become more routine.

[Autech]

Wishful thinking every round so far Bro?

Nah, past form :D


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[pritch]

Nah, past form :D



If you keep picking it, sooner or later you'll be right.

[carbonhed]

Nah, past form :D


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So far it feels like he's learned from last year that he doesn't have to win every race even when he doesn't have the bike under him to do it.

Unfortunately that will make him even harder to beat in the championship.

[malcy25]

Amazing how you can come up through 125's, 250's, 250 champ twice and not be a scrapper. Must have been some kind of voodoo magic kept him safe.

it'll be interesting to see if he can better Rossi's record on the Ducati now that beating him on the same bike has become more routine.

I don't doubt he will actually create a race win on the Ducati, but being realistic - It's a far better beast now that Gigi is there, and Rossi could have conjured up a win too give a like for like bike that Lorenzo will probably inherit.

I've seen comment about Lorenzo being great on the duc as he and Stoner would ride it the same, but I don't really see how, Stoner was all aggression on it more like MM is on a bike. But as we all readily agree, Lorenzo likes the inch perfect smooth as style.

Gonna be interesting whatever way - both the rest of this year and the next 2. Question w2ill be how Yamaha handle it in terms of aiming for the win, knowing that JL is going...

[carbonhed]

I don't doubt he will actually create a race win on the Ducati, but being realistic - It's a far better beast now that Gigi is there, and Rossi could have conjured up a win too give a like for like bike that Lorenzo will probably inherit.

I've seen comment about Lorenzo being great on the duc as he and Stoner would ride it the same, but I don't really see how, Stoner was all aggression on it more like MM is on a bike. But as we all readily agree, Lorenzo likes the inch perfect smooth as style.

Gonna be interesting whatever way - both the rest of this year and the next 2. Question w2ill be how Yamaha handle it in terms of aiming for the win, knowing that JL is going...

Yeah. Marquez and Stoner seem like kindred spirits and outliers on every scale. Lorenzo is not like that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah, past form :D


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You mean his four world titles or summat?

[Reckless]

it'll be interesting to see if he can better Rossi's record on the Ducati now that beating him on the same bike has become more routine.

I'm a bit sour on Rossi after his antics last year but you cant compare the two era's. Stoner has a half way decent bike he rode the wheels off, then the factory completely lost its way with its nose up its own arse not listening to anyone until they where loosing so bad Audi had to take drastic measures. Along came Gigi and a new ethos and a new bike.
I'm not so sure how Lozenge will go on it especially with Stoner being the development rider and as stated above the styles are so different.
I wonder if Rossi saying he didnt have the balls to go, had anything to do with it (apart from the money of coarse) LOL

Good move or bad move its good for us, speculation and a swap round of riders. Still it looks like everyone is chasing the Honda and MM tho aye.
The little shit can wring the best out of anything I reckon bit like Stoner. Damn pity Stoner didn't have the passion to keep at it, maybe on a Yamaha for a season lol. Wonder who is Ducati going to dump??

[carbonhed]

I wonder if Rossi saying he didnt have the balls to go, had anything to do with it (apart from the money of coarse) LOL



I think the days of Rossi being able to play mind games ended when he was no longer the quickest on the grid.

And of course the Duc's a different beast now... but reminding the fanbois's of Flossi's abject failure on it never gets old.

[Reckless]

I think the days of Rossi being able to play mind games ended when he was no longer the quickest on the grid.

And of course the Duc's a different beast now... but reminding the fanbois's of Flossi's abject failure on it never gets old.

Agreed :) if anything he fucked his own head up last season. The games old now, time to stop playing it, he's only damaging his own legacy.
No one will ever know if MM was fucking with him or just doing what MM does race anyone, anytime, anyplace, (except MM of coarse) LOL

This season I think I'm more a fan of the racing itself, these rule changes have been really good, love not having a class within a class and other manufactures having a better shot :)

[carbonhed]

I wonder if Vinales is towing Rossi around in qualifying 2 so the dirty old wop will put a good word in for him the vacant seat at Yamaha?

[pritch]

From nine times world champion, idol of the crowds, GOAT*, and having held almost every record there is, to "dirty old wop"?
How the mighty have fallen. Tall poppy syndrome doesn't cover it; doesn't come close.











Yeah, yeah, I know about Ricky Carmichael... :whistle:

[Autech]

You mean his four world titles or summat?

Nah his crash rate last year

"Of the four riders that won races in MotoGP this year, Marc Marquez fell most frequently with 13 accidents, followed by 3 each for eventual champion Jorge Lorenzo and Dani Pedrosa, and just 2 for Valentino Rossi. "
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225283/1/hanika-silverstone-top-2015-falls-list.html#o4EgtZU7rGehFfKq.99


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[Asher]

I would guess JL left Yamaha because he wasn't getting treated the way he wanted. I think he expected to be clearly Yamahas rider number 1, for obvious reasons. But Rossi isn't just a rider, he's a rider, a brand and a legacy so things are always going to skew in his favour.
He probably also wasn't happy the way Yamaha didn't defend him when he stupidly stuck his nose into the Sepang incident and the following fallout.
If anyone has watched 'Jorge Lorenzo Guerrero', which is a bit of a candid doco following him through the 2015 season and attempting to make him more likeable (didn't work for me).
Anyway in that doco he says that Rossi would be struggling all weekend then on raceday he would miraculously have a setup simular to his and be more competitive in the race.

To me all of that suggests he moved to Ducati to be their number 1 rider and be treated as such.

[EJK]

Whats happening to Dovi and CJ?

[Autech]

Whats happening to Dovi and CJ?

One will be given the DCM letter.

I am picking Mad Joe


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[Asher]

Its going to be hard to predict who is going where.
I would think Ducati would pick Iannone over Dovi, Dovi is still riding well, better than Iannone at the moment but I think Dovi's best days are behind him and Iannone is still building his potential.

Who is going to Yamaha is hard to predict too. I would say Maverick but he would have to weasel out of his contract which states Suzuki can keep if he gets a podium this year.
There is also Pol who has a contract already with Yamaha through Tech3 but doubt Yamaha would want him with his lack of performance. Aleix will probably be wanting to get off the Suzuki that he cant make work this year.

Then there is who would go to Suzuki, possibly Predrosa if he cant keep his ride or Zarco or maybe Rins but I think Honda have eyes on him.

Does KTM have a second rider? Or is no one yet willing to flush thier career down the toilet with Smith?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah his crash rate last year

"Of the four riders that won races in MotoGP this year, Marc Marquez fell most frequently with 13 accidents, followed by 3 each for eventual champion Jorge Lorenzo and Dani Pedrosa, and just 2 for Valentino Rossi. "
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225283/1/hanika-silverstone-top-2015-falls-list.html#o4EgtZU7rGehFfKq.99


k

That's what you get when you try to make a motorcycle do things it can't mate. Think you'll find all of the Honda boys had *issues* no? Most still are. The Yamaha boys not so much eh?

[pritch]

That's what you get when you try to make a motorcycle do things it can't mate. Think you'll find all of the Honda boys had *issues* no? Most still are.

That would seem to be the case, except that the electronics may have improved at least a bit.

[Reckless]

Whats happening to Dovi and CJ?

The Ducati official position off the GP site

Speaking to Sky Italia, Ducati Corse Sporting Director Paolo Ciabatti discussed the recent signing of Jorge Lorenzo.

“We knew we wanted to ​​sign one of the best riders to allow us to win back a title," said Ciabatti. "This season the bike has been very competitive and has enabled the two parties to reach an agreement. I think the bike we have this year and the fact we have demonstrated its competitiveness has been key to reaching this agreement. I would say it was not difficult to convince Jorge.”

The Italian also went on to reveal that no decision has been made as to who will stay on as Lorenzo’s teammate: "We have not decided yet. First we wanted to ensure the signing of Lorenzo. Now we will wait to decide whether Iannone or Dovizioso stays. The two are exceptional and it will not be an easy choice. We have spoken to both of them and I don’t think the uncertainty over their future will affect them. We spoke with Jorge and does not care which one is his teammate.”

[Crasherfromwayback]

We spoke with Jorge and does not care which one is his teammate.”[/I]

Unlike Rossi who squeals like a bitch should the team mate be too fast.

[Reckless]

Unlike Rossi who squeals like a bitch should the team mate be too fast.

Aint no one been squelin an bitchen louder and longer about Rossi's failings than you my friend :dodge:;)

[denill]

Aint no one been squelin an bitchen louder and longer about Rossi's failings than you my friend :dodge:;)

Crashers point is valid. Team mates don't stay Besties if they are faster than VR. Colin Edwards was probably his favourite team mate.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Aint no one been squelin an bitchen louder and longer about Rossi's failings than you my friend :dodge:;)

Oh no mate....I couldn't give a shit. But maybe you need to open your eyes to the facts one day.

[Mental Trousers]

Oh no mate....I couldn't give a shit. But maybe you need to open your eyes to the facts one day.

Eye - singular

[pritch]

Something to read.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/dorna-un-favor-por-favor/


And:

Michelin have announced that Reddings tyre failure was due the the high demands of the Rio Hondo circuit, the high temperatures, and Redding's build.
They will run the stronger construction tyres used at Texas for the rest of this season. Phillip Island is similarly demanding but the temperatures were lower.

They also say that Baz's crash was not similar, his crash was caused by a puncture.

[Autech]

Michelin have announced that Reddings tyre failure was due the the high demands of the Rio Hondo circuit, the high temperatures, and Redding's build.


Thats one way of calling a person fat I guess...


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[Dadpole]

OK. I will take a punt:

MM
VR
JL

Dovi fourth and Iannone barges past Vinales for fifth.

What this prediction means is that Crutchlow will win with Baz and Bautista close behind. :eek:

[pritch]

Thats one way of calling a person fat I guess...



Radding and Baz are taller than most. Michelin said pedro weighs about 60kg, Redding 80. That's quite a big difference.

[Autech]

Radding and Baz are taller than most. Michelin said pedro weighs about 60kg, Redding 80. That's quite a big difference.

Nothing says you are fat like a tyre exploding... Shame Redding got so big, I think it is what prevented him from claiming alien status, a moto2 title and a really good motogp ride.
Youngest ever GP winner still despite Cup-of-raro's best efforts...

[Brett]

Not entirely sure how so many of you guys can be so polarized on VR really. He is what he is. He has also built so much value into MotoGP. He has invested huge amounts into the sport and as a result has a huge following. It's not because he is necessarily more of an egomaniac, controlling, psychopath no more so than any of the others! They are all super A type personalities dead set on winning. VR and MM was simply the result of two like personalities doing the tango. Yes I personally think MM was messing with VR - it's a race, VR has played that game himself. To get antsy about it was silly. No I don't think VR kicked MM, watched the video from every different angle over 100 times...doesn't look like a kick to me. At the end of the day, I think that this was "racing" with two guys who knew exactly what they were doing. They were playing a high stakes game and they must have known that it was going to be spilt milk at some point. They both need to shut the fuck up and get on their bikes and ride. To his credit, I think that MM is doing this much better than Rossi.

Personally I have a bunch of riders that I really like and VR is still one of them...alongside MM, Stoner, Dani, Dovi...They are all brilliant for different reasons and I enjoy watching them all race.

[pritch]

Nothing says you are fat like a tyre exploding... Shame Redding got so big,

You guys are fucking tough. According to Redding's profile on the MotoGP site, he is 185cm tall and weighs 78kg. If you check that out on a weight for height calculator he is about the middle of the healthy range. Far from fat but not bordering on underweight either.

For comparison miller is 175cm and 70kg. He did get overweight but Puig sorted that out.

Baz tops the current list at 191cm and 79k. Rossi is 182 and 65.

You couldn't call any of them fat, or even marginally overweight. You can check the others on the weight for height table if you want, but none are fat bastards. I suspect that not too many of us are in that sort of shape. I know I'm not. :whistle:

[ellipsis]

Not entirely sure how so many of you guys can be so polarized on VR really. He is what he is. He has also built so much value into MotoGP. He has invested huge amounts into the sport and as a result has a huge following. It's not because he is necessarily more of an egomaniac, controlling, psychopath no more so than any of the others! They are all super A type personalities dead set on winning. VR and MM was simply the result of two like personalities doing the tango. Yes I personally think MM was messing with VR - it's a race, VR has played that game himself. To get antsy about it was silly. No I don't think VR kicked MM, watched the video from every different angle over 100 times...doesn't look like a kick to me. At the end of the day, I think that this was "racing" with two guys who knew exactly what they were doing. They were playing a high stakes game and they must have known that it was going to be spilt milk at some point. They both need to shut the fuck up and get on their bikes and ride. To his credit, I think that MM is doing this much better than Rossi.

Personally I have a bunch of riders that I really like and VR is still one of them...alongside MM, Stoner, Dani, Dovi...They are all brilliant for different reasons and I enjoy watching them all race.


...this is a very balanced and open minded way of looking at it...was going to say something similar...:niceone:

...these are the most competitive guys on the planet, on the craziest machines on the planet and there's millions of pleasure tokens at stake...I love 'em all...

[Autech]

You guys are fucking tough. According to Redding's profile on the MotoGP site, he is 185cm tall and weighs 78kg. If you check that out on a weight for height calculator he is about the middle of the healthy range. Far from fat but not bordering on underweight either.

For comparison miller is 175cm and 70kg. He did get overweight but Puig sorted that out.

Baz tops the current list at 191cm and 79k. Rossi is 182 and 65.

You couldn't call any of them fat, or even marginally overweight. You can check the others on the weight for height table if you want, but none are fat bastards. I suspect that not too many of us are in that sort of shape. I know I'm not. :whistle:

Haha, I'm not having a go mate was just laughing at their reasoning behind the tyre failure. I think it is poor form.

Those calculators are full of shit anyways according to then I have been massively underweight for over 14 years, despite exercising fuck all and eating shit food.

If there is one thing I have learned in my 29 years is that you cant change your genetic disposition. Redding will be at his perfect weight to compete for 40minutes on the fastest bikes on earth. If there was any weight to trim I am sure he would have already.


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[carbonhed]

Not entirely sure how so many of you guys can be so polarized on VR really. He is what he is. He has also built so much value into MotoGP. He has invested huge amounts into the sport and as a result has a huge following. It's not because he is necessarily more of an egomaniac, controlling, psychopath no more so than any of the others! They are all super A type personalities dead set on winning. VR and MM was simply the result of two like personalities doing the tango. Yes I personally think MM was messing with VR - it's a race, VR has played that game himself. To get antsy about it was silly. No I don't think VR kicked MM, watched the video from every different angle over 100 times...doesn't look like a kick to me. At the end of the day, I think that this was "racing" with two guys who knew exactly what they were doing. They were playing a high stakes game and they must have known that it was going to be spilt milk at some point. They both need to shut the fuck up and get on their bikes and ride. To his credit, I think that MM is doing this much better than Rossi.

Personally I have a bunch of riders that I really like and VR is still one of them...alongside MM, Stoner, Dani, Dovi...They are all brilliant for different reasons and I enjoy watching them all race.

I despise him because he single handedly ruined one of the finest seasons of racing I've ever seen. Fear, paranoia, weakness... thy name is Flossi.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Personally I have a bunch of riders that I really like and VR is still one of them...alongside MM, Stoner, Dani, Dovi...They are all brilliant for different reasons and I enjoy watching them all race.

Despite the fact I (obviously) love to wind the Rossifumi's up, I've always been able to say "fucking awesome effort" when he's done good. And most certainly, no one could ever deny what a huge amount of good he's done for the sport on the whole. That will prob never be better'd. If he carries on like is though, barring serious injury or burnout like Stoner, I can see MM bettering Rossis tally. He has four now, and is only 23.

[onearmedbandit]

I needed a good laugh. Lucky I stumbled across this thread again. But it's almost quite sad at the same time...

[puddytat]

I certainly think that the livery of Rossi & his bike, is the best of them all....

[pritch]

I certainly think that the livery of Rossi & his bike, is the best of them all....

Aldo Drudi the designer is a switched on dude. Heard an interview with him at Phillip Island, he starts all his designs with a pencil. He says that if you rely on a computer everything starts to look the same. He'd know.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I certainly think that the livery of Rossi & his bike, is the best of them all....

His time with Honda on the NSR500 was a *Sexy Time*. I happen to like Peroni, so that may've helped....

[Crasherfromwayback]

I needed a good laugh. Lucky I stumbled across this thread again. But it's almost quite sad at the same time...

I can appreciate you might find it so....:baby:

[Brett]

I despise him because he single handedly ruined one of the finest seasons of racing I've ever seen. Fear, paranoia, weakness... thy name is Flossi.

Rather simplistic way to view it IMO...but each to their own.

[Brett]

Despite the fact I (obviously) love to wind the Rossifumi's up, I've always been able to say "fucking awesome effort" when he's done good. And most certainly, no one could ever deny what a huge amount of good he's done for the sport on the whole. That will prob never be better'd. If he carries on like is though, barring serious injury or burnout like Stoner, I can see MM bettering Rossis tally. He has four now, and is only 23.

MM is one of the most talented riders to come along since young kid Rossi. If not the most talented. Seems like a nice guy to boot, great at connecting with his supporters. Shouldn't have gone up against Rossi quite so aggressively if he wanted to maintain a "commercial" focus, fucking with the biggest name in motorcycle racing was always going to hurt him more. Although, he has arguably solidified his own deathly loyal fan base...his total fan base has significantly shrunk, but those that remain will probably be life long supporters now.

Related but as an aside, I found all of the gay love meme's of JL and MM quite offensive and not really in the nature of the sport...even though it was my personal favourite on the opposing side (VR). I think that it shows poor class from supporters to behave so personally negatively.

Genuinely hope that MM continues to develop. WOuld love to see VR secure a final championship, but have huge respect for the talent that MM has.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Related but as an aside, I found all of the gay love meme's of JL and MM quite offensive and not really in the nature of the sport...even though it was my personal favourite on the opposing side (VR). I think that it shows poor class from supporters to behave so personally negatively.

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Couldn't agree more. It was also quite absurd to suggest MM was in any way trying to help JL win. Well, before Sepang at least... :Police:

[carbonhed]

Shouldn't have gone up against Rossi quite so aggressively if he wanted to maintain a "commercial" focus, fucking with the biggest name in motorcycle racing was always going to hurt him more.

A racer should not race because... money. :laugh:

Senna would have loved you!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I want to dislike Marquez because he was such a dick last year. But I love how he rides... in particular the whole "Its loose but who gives a fuck" thing he has going on. Plus the whole "back 'er in" thing on corner entry.

I'd like to see Rossi win another championship though

[Erelyes]

Predictions

MM
AE
JL
AD
VR

I want the Yamas around the other way, as much as I want DP out of the doldrums, but I don't see it happening.

[speights_bud]

Watching Q1, Smiths bike setup looks fecking horrible, twitchy and unsettled. Doesn't look like much fun to ride.

Q2 Lorenzo said he had a faulty tire. Are the riders allowed to say what they really think about the michelins, unlike the Bridgestones?

[pritch]

Q2 Lorenzo said he had a faulty tire.

That may very well be true. Or maybe he just didn't like the result?

[carbonhed]

Great lap by Rossi. Going to be exciting tomorrow.

[BMWST?]

Predictions

MM
AE
JL
AD
VR

I want the Yamas around the other way, as much as I want DP out of the doldrums, but I don't see it happening.

JL
VR
MM
now the next group may be an entirely new group,baz,barbera etc!The ld ducs seem to work better here.

[BMWST?]

Have Michelin gone too far the other way now withthe trouble they had at Argentina.Seems rear grip is an issue for everyone.DP says he is using less throttle on corner exit than MM(data comparisons i guess) but he is getting lots of wheelspin.His measly 51 kg must have a real impact ton that but MM is only about 60 kg and rossi and lorenzo are near 65 kg baz is 1.9 and 80 kg

[Reckless]

Couldn't agree more. It was also quite absurd to suggest MM was in any way trying to help JL win. Well, before Sepang at least... :Police:

I agree the only person that really knows is MM and if he was just doing what he does Rossi has done him a huge injustice.
On the other hand the second person that has the best seat in the house is Rossi he is the only one that knows if MM was slowing him after he was passed (or was he just not as god on the next part of the track)??
Cant help thinking its not in MM's nature to deliberately slow anyone down.

Rossi needs to have a good clean season to stand any chance of patching up is reputation IMHO. His head games are screwing him up more than the others, as all are used to it now.
Still like to see him get 10 mainly because I cant seem to like anyone else with any passion?
Lorenzo is a dick, Danni will never quite get there, Dovi not quite an Alien, there's hope with Iannone, be bloody great if Stoner had the balls to take a spot next year??
God should put Maverick on the Yammy next year and Stoner on the Suzuki (or visa Versa)
The Honda is shit this year and MM's still riding the wheels off it so the 2 falls the yammy boys have had might just be the difference??
Rossi doing well running up to tomorrow tho :)
The mischief in me would like to see Rossi and MM go head to head for 20 laps LOL.

Predictions MM, Rossi, JL, Dovi, Maverick

[speights_bud]

That may very well be true. Or maybe he just didn't like the result?
He described it as though it was very shuddery or what I thought might be unbalanced. I've heard more than once riders say faulty tyre but I can't remember who.

Also sounded like Qualifying was delayed 15min due to sick Michelin tyre fitters.....

[Brett]

I agree the only person that really knows is MM and if he was just doing what he does Rossi has done him a huge injustice.
On the other hand the second person that has the best seat in the house is Rossi he is the only one that knows if MM was slowing him after he was passed (or was he just not as god on the next part of the track)??
Cant help thinking its not in MM's nature to deliberately slow anyone down.

Rossi needs to have a good clean season to stand any chance of patching up is reputation IMHO. His head games are screwing him up more than the others, as all are used to it now.
Still like to see him get 10 mainly because I cant seem to like anyone else with any passion?
Lorenzo is a dick, Danni will never quite get there, Dovi not quite an Alien, there's hope with Iannone, be bloody great if Stoner had the balls to take a spot next year??
God should put Maverick on the Yammy next year and Stoner on the Suzuki (or visa Versa)
The Honda is shit this year and MM's still riding the wheels off it so the 2 falls the yammy boys have had might just be the difference??
Rossi doing well running up to tomorrow tho :)
The mischief in me would like to see Rossi and MM go head to head for 20 laps LOL.

Predictions MM, Rossi, JL, Dovi, Maverick

Rossi has been racing since MM was in nappies. I would imagine that his race craft, knowledge and ability to read tactics, strategy and rider intent would be pretty much up there. However as Crasher stated, to suggest that he was helping JL is certainly odd.

BUT....if MM was frustrating events, then as far as I care, that is racing.

[badlieutenant]

Mistress of the dark lol i dunno havent watched race yet wife a real dragon oh not motorbikes again.

I have the opposite problem. I'm not allowed to watch them without her.

[pritch]

I've heard more than once riders say faulty tyre but I can't remember who.
Also sounded like Qualifying was delayed 15min due to sick Michelin tyre fitters.....

Faulty tyres happen occasionally, understandably the affected rider will be pissed off at the time but it can happen to anybody. Lorenzo used three rear tyres in qualifying and he did a flyer to go top of the timesheet briefly on his third stint. Which tyre was faulty? He may not have said..

The tyre fitters must have eaten something they shouldn't, apparently they all came down with a gastro bug. They have been given meds and told to get a good nights sleep. If I was the Michelin chef I'd be nervous?

[speights_bud]

Which tyre was faulty? He may not have said..?

His second tyre,Dylan spoke to him after Q2 because he didnt even try put in a hot lap on the second tyre/run. Then JL explained the feeling, "The bike was good we got just a defective tyre with the michelin, and the tyre was chattery on the rear so we have to cancel the lap". I just seem to remember that this may be about the 3rd time this season I've heard someone say they had a faulty tire. Bloody tough gig Michelin have gotten themselves.


The tyre fitters must have eaten something they shouldn't, apparently they all came down with a gastro bug. They have been given meds and told to get a good nights sleep. If I was the Michelin chef I'd be nervous?

Seems like they can't get a break at the moment. Being that kind of crook recently myself I reckon it'd be pretty easy to forget to balance a tyre correctly/put the weights on wrong. Kudos to Michelin for the extra manufacturing and effort they've been putting in last minute at least.

[pritch]

His second tyre,Dylan spoke to him after Q2 because he didnt even try put in a hot lap on the second tyre/run.

Yep I see Motomattars also covers that now.

David Emmett has another interesting item. Eugene Laverty uses his brother John, a retired racer, to spot what he and others are doing around the track.
Mr Emmett went with Laverty the elder and recorded his observations.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/04/23/john_laverty_s_pace_notes_jerez_2016_on.html

[eldog]

His second tyre,Dylan spoke to him after Q2 because he didnt even try put in a hot lap on the second tyre/run. Then JL explained the feeling, "The bike was good we got just a defective tyre with the michelin, and the tyre was chattery.

Is his first tyre the Chatty man Alan? then Dylan must have been the second tyre.

My second tyre is called Bitch, I just say "Are ya holding on Bitch?" as I go around the corners......


I couldn't resist, because my second tyre only really squeals and squeaks with the odd howl.

[Gianz]

BUT....if MM was frustrating events, then as far as I care, that is racing.
I'm still waiting for his bike's data, as promised by HRC boss. Shouldn't be a problem now that they use unified ecu.

[speights_bud]

Yep I see Motomattars also covers that now.

David Emmett has another interesting item. Eugene Laverty uses his brother John, a retired racer, to spot what he and others are doing around the track.
Mr Emmett went with Laverty the elder and recorded his observations.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/04/23/john_laverty_s_pace_notes_jerez_2016_on.html
I'll give that a read, it sounds interesting.

I've offered advice from my observations in the control tower once before.
By changing his strategy the rider was able to use his bikes torque to get a longer drive down the straight. Two wins resulted in the afternoon....

I saw an article on Facebook a couple of days ago. It was about a pro basketball player who was standing watching the team practice lay-ups. His team mate told him to join in. At which point he said I'm counting the rotations off the rebound for everyone etc etc.

Point is that this guy broke down each player so much as to know the number of spins the ball made every time they made a shot and could predict where the rebounds would end up for each player...

Its something that bugged me racing at club level with only 6 lap races. By the time I'd really gotten my head around the competition it was all over.

[puddytat]

1. Rossi
2. MM
3. Dovi
4.Vinales
5.Pedrosa
6.Lorenzo , has issues....

[carbonhed]

I'm still waiting for his bike's data, as promised by HRC boss. Shouldn't be a problem now that they use unified ecu.

DORNA squished that idea as I recall. To put an end to the whole episode.

[ecko_nzed]

Binder what a blinder

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[puddytat]

:gob: Well that was an afuckinamazing moto3 race....:gob:

[Dadpole]

Certainly shouting at the screen time. Roll on Moto2

[george formby]

Somebody was asking earlier if it's worth getting a video pass...:yes:

[Dadpole]

There are other ways for the cheapskate.

http://cricfree.tv

There is a bit of fluffing around with adblockers etc

[pritch]

Bulega done good but Binder had future champ written all over him. From 35th to 1st and won going away. Amazing.

[Dadpole]

Binder will probably do what Olivera did last season and get the confidence to chalk up win after win.
NB: Olivera had a (mainly) good race in Moto2

[russd7]

can only say Yup :shit: what a moto3 race. moto2 ok bring on GP

[Brett]

:gob: Well that was an afuckinamazing moto3 race....:gob:

Fucken aye!

Stunning ride by Binder...absolutely flawless. Plus those 3 fighting for the last 2 spots on the podium...great fighting and a brilliant end to the race.

[Autech]

Spent all day racing at Ruapuna, my eyes were drooping through moto2.
Bring on motogp!


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[roogazza]

321147321148321150

[puddytat]

"An absolute master class"....

[sugilite]

Lorenzo afterwards "If my tyres had worked I would have won by a large distance" :lol:
I cannot help wondering where Lorenzo would of finished had he been riding a Ducati?
Mr Rossi seemed to enjoy showing he is a far from washed up force. :2thumbsup

[carbonhed]

Lorenzo afterwards "If my tyres had worked I would have won by a large distance" :lol:
I cannot help wondering where Lorenzo would of finished had he been riding a Ducati?
Mr Rossi seemed to enjoy showing he is a far from washed up force. :2thumbsup

Yeah. The reanimated corpse lurches upright and wins by a handsome margin :laugh:

The transfusions of the blood of thirty virgins are working as planned.

Most boring race I've ever watched in my life. Two sets of overtakes over the first four places. Pah!

[puddytat]

Sour grapes.....

[Drew]

Lorenzo afterwards "If my tyres had worked I would have won by a large distance" :lol:
I cannot help wondering where Lorenzo would of finished had he been riding a Ducati?
Mr Rossi seemed to enjoy showing he is a far from washed up force. :2thumbsupI think that's the second time he's said that. No one else speaks this way when they get beaten.

They've all made dicks of themselves in the past, but JL seems hell bent on sticking to it.

[BMWST?]

I think that's the second time he's said that. No one else speaks this way when they get beaten.

They've all made dicks of themselves in the past, but JL seems hell bent on sticking to it.

At least MM knows he has been beaten fair and square even if is careful to mention no names.VR looked un stoppable he was going away right away.Now it will be interesting to see what happens next time.He certainly seems to have got a good set up for the michelins,his experience is showing.I wonder if the michelins each have their own idiosyncrasies.I didnt think that MM would be able to manage the pace,but i really thought JL would.Only got a glimpse but his rear tyre looked bad

[onearmedbandit]

I can appreciate you might find it so....:baby:

Not for the reason you think Pete!

[Grumph]

At least MM knows he has been beaten fair and square even if is careful to mention no names.VR looked un stoppable he was going away right away.Now it will be interesting to see what happens next time.He certainly seems to have got a good set up for the michelins,his experience is showing.I wonder if the michelins each have their own idiosyncrasies.I didnt think that MM would be able to manage the pace,but i really thought JL would.Only got a glimpse but his rear tyre looked bad

Out of curiosity, is there anyone else in the field who was running at this level last time they were on Michelins ?
I'm sure someone will know....

[BMWST?]

Out of curiosity, is there anyone else in the field who was running at this level last time they were on Michelins ?
I'm sure someone will know....
What do you mean?
Rossi is one of very few if any who has ever ridden the michelins before.(DP has)Its hard to say because Michelin would make very special custom tyres for certain aliens .It was when he was consistently beaten by a certain bridgestone rider that he switched to bridgestones too.

[malcy25]

Out of curiosity, is there anyone else in the field who was running at this level last time they were on Michelins ?
I'm sure someone will know....

Off the top of my head, Rossi will have had the most time on Michelins. Any of the others riding Motogp circa 2008 may have, along with Pedrosa and Lorenzo have had time on them (Suzuki, Team KR and Ducati were the main users before the sole supplier contract), but since 2009 Bridgestone took over as sole tyre in 2009, anyone after that won't have.

While Michelin would pump the special out with regularity, and that was what, 8 years ago, I suspect there will be some consistency with their general characteristics, in terms of edge grip, progression to slide etc.

Meanwhile, Lorenzo needs to suck it up and admit he got beat. Having a "whaa" about his tyres, lol, I saw a list of the top recorded speeds at Jerez, lap by lap, and he was fastest on every lap but one in a straight line. So I think his "it was wheel spinning in a straightline " excuse' was a hasty, ilthoughtout one.

[Gianz]

Off the top of my head, Rossi will have had the most time on Michelins. Any of the others riding Motogp circa 2008 may have, along with Pedrosa and Lorenzo have had time on them (Suzuki, Team KR and Ducati were the main users before the sole supplier contract), but since 2009 Bridgestone took over as sole tyre in 2009, anyone after that won't have.

While Michelin would pump the special out with regularity, and that was what, 8 years ago, I suspect there will be some consistency with their general characteristics, in terms of edge grip, progression to slide etc.

Meanwhile, Lorenzo needs to suck it up and admit he got beat. Having a "whaa" about his tyres, lol, I saw a list of the top recorded speeds at Jerez, lap by lap, and he was fastest on every lap but one in a straight line. So I think his "it was wheel spinning in a straightline " excuse' was a hasty, ilthoughtout one.



good one. Also shows how much JL relies on everything being perfect. a bit of spin and he can't control it with gas?

[carbonhed]

Sour grapes.....

Oh absolutely the bitterest dregs :laugh:

The endless celebratory wankfest is like acid on a wound.

[Dave-]

I hate how the commentators are all doom and gloom for Rossi when he comes 4th, but when he wins apparently it's the start of a winning streak?

[badlieutenant]

I hate how the commentators are all doom and gloom for Rossi when he comes 4th, but when he wins apparently it's the start of a winning streak?

I would rather Dylan in the pit commentaries or eugenes brother, after reading his observations regarding other riders setup and riding style. They do not have to talk all the time. It's not radio. And never say master class ever again.

[actungbaby]

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in that first pic are the boys vol to be new bike stands for the doctors bike mm oh oh i be the front wheel am num one

[sugilite]

Most boring race I've ever watched in my life. Two sets of overtakes over the first four places. Pah!

Yeah, reminded me of the last race of the 2015 season - MM running around sniffing his boyfriends bum for a lot of the race :lol:
Will be interesting to see the inevitable influx of confidence your best buddy Rossi will have gotten from beating the local hotshots at their own track. Could make him an even faster cadaver :bleh:

[Drew]

Yeah, reminded me of the last race of the 2015 season - MM running around sniffing his boyfriends bum for a lot of the race :lol:
Will be interesting to see the inevitable influx of confidence your best buddy Rossi will have gotten from beating the local hotshots at their own track. Could make him an even faster cadaver :bleh:
I think the confidence would come from having been fast straight out of the box this week.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was away from a telly/Puta this weekend. Came home to the news the Old Dog won the GP! I think that's fucking awesome news! Apart from the fact it makes for better viewing, it will bring more people back to watching the sport. Congrats to the Old Cunt and his fans!

[ellipsis]

Congrats to the Old Cunt and his fans!

...thanks...

[george formby]

"An absolute master class"....

"A master class from a master" had me cringing........

And Dylan, "I have no idea... I'll go and find out". Rock on Dylan.

[george formby]

I was away from a telly/Puta this weekend. Came home to the news the Old Dog won the GP! I think that's fucking awesome news! Apart from the fact it makes for better viewing, it will bring more people back to watching the sport. Congrats to the Old Cunt and his fans!

Concur. The spicier the better. And Suzuki.. Lovin it.

Moto 3....... WTF? Pawi was mind blowing. Once. But last night was surreal. Still can't get my head around it. BB has some serious ability all things considered. "Er, sorry, don't park there, your starting last......"

[pritch]

I was away from a telly/Puta this weekend. Came home to the news the Old Dog won the GP! I think that's fucking awesome news! Apart from the fact it makes for better viewing, it will bring more people back to watching the sport. Congrats to the Old Cunt and his fans!

Even though it was in Spain there was the usual section of the crowd in yellow. They were happy.

The Michelin tyre fitters' mysterious :puke: is thought to have come from contaminated water. Thousands in the local population were also reportedly affected. Serves the silly bastards right for drinking water. :drinkup:

Pete, if you get a chance to watch the Moto3 race take it, that was really exceptional. Apparently the problem was caused by someone mixing up some USB flash drives so that Binder's bike had the wrong file number in the system.

I can't remember if it was Oxley or Emmett, may have been both, but it was predicted that the new electronics and tyres may make for unpredictable results from track to track. The Ducatis didn't feature this time, but that may be completely different at Le Mans. Bring it on.

[Berries]

Yeah. The reanimated corpse lurches upright and wins by a handsome margin :laugh:

The transfusions of the blood of thirty virgins are working as planned.

Most boring race I've ever watched in my life. Two sets of overtakes over the first four places. Pah!
I have visions of you dribbling your digestive biscuit in to your mug of tea in disgust but I don't think you can blame the guy at the front for what is happening behind him, much as it must be painful for you to accept.


Still, looks like Michelin are having a good go at fucking the 2016 series up.

[Brett]

I was away from a telly/Puta this weekend. Came home to the news the Old Dog won the GP! I think that's fucking awesome news! Apart from the fact it makes for better viewing, it will bring more people back to watching the sport. Congrats to the Old Cunt and his fans!

Yes...we are a happy bunch.

How funny was JL moaning about how if it weren't for his rear tyres he "would have one by a good margin". Seriously...he should know when to just shut up and admit defeat. He did nothing in that race except keep MM at bay (not a slight feat). Rossi managed that gap from start to finish, JL was just along for the ride. When JL took .5 seconds over several laps, Rossi then went and took that back plus some in one subsequent lap. Jorge needs to get real sometimes.