MotoGP 2017

[Drew]

Rossi

187 podium finishes from 350 starts in GP racing.

That's pretty fucken impressive.

Just watched the race.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi

187 podium finishes from 350 starts in GP racing.

That's pretty fucken impressive.

Just watched the race.

Yeah. Gotta hand it to the Old Boy. Still fucking got it. If only MM hadn't purposely helped JL win the title in 2015 eh!!! :facepalm:

[Drew]

Yeah. Gotta hand it to the Old Boy. Still fucking got it. If only MM hadn't purposely helped JL win the title in 2015 eh!!! :facepalm:

Wonder if Lorenzo will be pegged down by this experience and get snatched up by Suzuki. I'd rather they took on Folger and Zarco of course, but I doubt Yamaha will let those two slip away. Someone has to fIll Rossi's seat if the old boy ever gives up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wonder if Lorenzo will be pegged down by this experience and get snatched up by Suzuki. I'd rather they took on Folger and Zarco of course, but I doubt Yamaha will let those two slip away. Someone has to fIll Rossi's seat if the old boy ever gives up.

I always thought the Dooocati would fuck him up. Pretty obvious the Yamaha is by far and away the best ride out there eh. And will Rossi ever retire? Looks like he simply loves it too much and would miss it terribly. It's def in his blood!

[Dadpole]

Baseless speculation section http://www.motorbikefans.com/ducati-consider-lorenzo-resignation-spaniards-advance/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=Facebook-MotorbikeFans&utm_campaign=SNAP%2Bfrom%2BMotorbikes+Fans

I can't see Lorenzo being in the doldrums for many more races. Too much talent and ambition for that. However - just for a minute - consider him on a KTM.:eek5:

[malcy25]

Having raced an RS250 GP bike a few times, I can only imagine what the big boys version is like. Can't wipe the smile off Bruce's face when you talk to him about it. I have a vague idea...:banana:

I also had dinner with a friend in the states last year and in his lounge amongst other bikes was a new H2R, old H2R, a KR750, H1R, HIRW, TZ500J, RGB 500, KR500 (yes, sq 4...!) , TZ750 (with 2 more in the garage) and an ex Team Millar YZR500. Bastard! mention in Jan that he rebuilding a C589 Cagiva he has bought bones of.

[malcy25]

I always thought the Dooocati would fuck him up. Pretty obvious the Yamaha is by far and away the best ride out there eh. And will Rossi ever retire? Looks like he simply loves it too much and would miss it terribly. It's def in his blood!

same, the required style for a Duc is so far removed from Lorenzo's way of riding (as fast as he is) that I always thought there was going to be issues....

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have a vague idea...:banana:

I also had dinner with a friend in the states last year and in his lounge amongst other bikes was a new H2R, old H2R, a KR750, H1R, HIRW, TZ500J, RGB 500, KR500 (yes, sq 4...!) , TZ750 (with 2 more in the garage) and an ex Team Millar YZR500. Bastard! mention in Jan that he rebuilding a C589 Cagiva he has bought bones of.

Think I just wee'd a lil.

[roogazza]

same, the required style for a Duc is so far removed from Lorenzo's way of riding (as fast as he is) that I always thought there was going to be issues....

With the evolution of the Duc I was hoping the '17' was going to be closer (and it is I suppose with results coming also from the 15 and 16. ) Dovi is doing better !
Maybe Horhay will cut loose at COTA ?? But not too much,cos obviously I'm with 46 :rolleyes::cool:

[Autech]

same, the required style for a Duc is so far removed from Lorenzo's way of riding (as fast as he is) that I always thought there was going to be issues....

That and he's never really showed any indication of adapting his riding style over the years to ride around problems


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Drew]

That and he's never really showed any indication of adapting his riding style over the years to ride around problems


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
He has adapted through the years. But not as fast as others.

[BMWST?]

if Honda dont get their bike working MM maybe walking the pitlane for a new bike

[Grumph]

That and he's never really showed any indication of adapting his riding style over the years to ride around problems

I'm picking that his main problem is inability to communicate to the team just what isn't working for him - and why.

AFAIK he's never had to try and adapt a bike to his style, his best results have been on bikes that just happen to have been developed in ways that suit him.
He seems to be a one trick pony. If the bike suits, conditions suit, tyres suit, off into the distance....

[husaberg]

I have a vague idea...:banana:

I also had dinner with a friend in the states last year and in his lounge amongst other bikes was a new H2R, old H2R, a KR750, H1R, HIRW, TZ500J, RGB 500, KR500 (yes, sq 4...!) , TZ750 (with 2 more in the garage) and an ex Team Millar YZR500. Bastard! mention in Jan that he rebuilding a C589 Cagiva he has bought bones of.

He brought the Ebay bike 55K it was a steal. For a works bike with a rebuilt engine
The carbs are likely worth 20k Alone.

[malcy25]

He brought the Ebay bike 55K it was a steal. For a works bike with a rebuilt engine
The carbs are likely worth 20k Alone.
Not sure he did - I mentioned that bike but it seemed he found something else....

[Crasherfromwayback]

The carbs are likely worth 20k Alone.

Bullshit. ...

[Badjelly]

I'm picking that his main problem is inability to communicate to the team just what isn't working for him - and why.

AFAIK he's never had to try and adapt a bike to his style, his best results have been on bikes that just happen to have been developed in ways that suit him.
He seems to be a one trick pony. If the bike suits, conditions suit, tyres suit, off into the distance....

I tend to agree, but I think it's a bit too soon to jump to conclusions. And what would I know?

I saw an article in the last few days (Motomatters?) in which one of the technical high-ups in the Yamaha team was expressing relief that they no longer had to adapt their bike to JL's extreme riding style. And I always thought it was the requirements of the bike that made JL ride that way.

[malcy25]

Bullshit. ...

One of the biggest problems for all the v4's was packaging of the carbs and the fitting of 4 throats into a space that is not much wider than a twin...

I believe Honda or Yamaha assisted Cagiva at one point by giving them some carbs from their works bike (they are a magnesium flat slide dual throat carb body which are not common!!) as they were really struggling.

Don't know if the link will work but check here or go to Facebook "Classic Cagiva racing"):
https://www.facebook.com/ClassicCagivaRacing/photos/a.893788177319244.1073741831.694162087281855/944310502267011/?type=3&theatre

https://www.facebook.com/ClassicCagivaRacing/photos/a.869153893116006.1073741830.694162087281855/869154773115918/?type=3&theater

[Crasherfromwayback]

One of the biggest problems for all the v4's was packaging of the carbs and the fitting of 4 throats into a space that is not much wider than a twin...

I believe Honda or Yamaha assisted Cagiva at one point by giving them some carbs from their works bike (they are a magnesium flat slide dual throat carb body which are not common!!) as they were really struggling.

Don't know if the link will work but check here or go to Facebook "Classic Cagiva racing"):
https://www.facebook.com/ClassicCagivaRacing/photos/a.893788177319244.1073741831.694162087281855/944310502267011/?type=3&theatre

https://www.facebook.com/ClassicCagivaRacing/photos/a.869153893116006.1073741830.694162087281855/869154773115918/?type=3&theater

Yeah appreciate that. But even if some docile cunt wanted to pay 20k for a set of mag body carbs, they'd need their head read. Was lucky enough to have been at Eastern Creek when Old Johnny Boy won on the Cagiva. Still one of THE sexiest bikes of all time I reckon.

[malcy25]

Yeah appreciate that. But even if some docile cunt wanted to pay 20k for a set of mag body carbs, they'd need their head read. Was lucky enough to have been at Eastern Creek when Old Johnny Boy won on the Cagiva. Still one of THE sexiest bikes of all time I reckon.

Sometimes you don't have a lot of options when you are creating a bike that is worth $200k at the end and you want it to run.....(spoken by a man who spent $10k on a set of cases so I had a $70k bike that wasn't static display only...!)

You need to go visit Phillip island's Museum then - a doz 500 Cagivas lined up....Including weirdo Jonny's

[pritch]

I saw an article in the last few days (Motomatters?) in which one of the technical high-ups in the Yamaha team was expressing relief that they no longer had to adapt their bike to JL's extreme riding style.

Something like this?

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/what-maverick-s-secret

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sometimes you don't have a lot of options when you are creating a bike that is worth $200k at the end and you want it to run.....(spoken by a man who spent $10k on a set of cases so I had a $70k bike that wasn't static display only...!)

You need to go visit Phillip island's Museum then - a doz 500 Cagivas lined up....Including weirdo Jonny's

Lol. I hear ya. I'd pay some quite silly money to get the correct clutch cover for my SR I must say. Yep. Seen the display at PI.

[malcy25]

Lol. I hear ya. I'd pay some quite silly money to get the correct clutch cover for my SR I must say. Yep. Seen the display at PI.

When were you there? it's only been on since late Jan. Though I did have photos on facebook....!

Sunday night...MM for the win, followed by....
MV
AD
VR

[Crasherfromwayback]

When were you there? it's only been on since late Jan. Though I did have photos on facebook....!

Sunday night...MM for the win, followed by....
MV
AD
VR

Sorry. Not in person. Just drooled over dozens of pics. I do get over often though, as my Sis lives in Melbs.

MM is paying $3.00 at the TAB. Not too bad seeing as he's never been beaten there. I'd say only another biff will stop him making it 6/6.

[Autech]

Sorry. Not in person. Just drooled over dozens of pics. I do get over often though, as my Sis lives in Melbs.

MM is paying $3.00 at the TAB. Not too bad seeing as he's never been beaten there. I'd say only another biff will stop him making it 6/6.

Yeah I just chucked some on him as part of the $100 thingy. Can't shake the feeling that I've wasted my coin though!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Can't shake the feeling that I've wasted my coin though!

You'll be ok as long as he's not taken out. Mind you...the Honda is still off the pace eh.

[Grumph]

I saw an article in the last few days (Motomatters?) in which one of the technical high-ups in the Yamaha team was expressing relief that they no longer had to adapt their bike to JL's extreme riding style. And I always thought it was the requirements of the bike that made JL ride that way.

In Mike Sinclair's book he quotes working with Biaggi at one circuit where it wasn't going well and Max wanted changes - NOW. Mike basically told him to wait and the track would come to him as the meeting went on - and he wasn't going to change a thing.
When on race day it was as Mike predicted - and Max threw it away when in a position to win....

Sometimes these prima donna's need sitting down and given a reality check.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sometimes these prima donna's need sitting down and given a reality check.

Aye. A smacked botty.

[Zedder]

In Mike Sinclair's book he quotes working with Biaggi at one circuit where it wasn't going well and Max wanted changes - NOW. Mike basically told him to wait and the track would come to him as the meeting went on - and he wasn't going to change a thing.
When on race day it was as Mike predicted - and Max threw it away when in a position to win....

Sometimes these prima donna's need sitting down and given a reality check.


Biaggi had a habit of making things difficult as I understand it. He appears to be a good mate of Jamie Robinson ex GP rider and Motogeo series guy though.

[Autech]

You'll be ok as long as he's not taken out. Mind you...the Honda is still off the pace eh.

Honda looks shit and the Yamaha looks better than it ever has, with the 2 most determined riders on the grid piloting it.
Also if MM ruins his front tyre braking like a loony. Looking back the closest finish to MM was DP in 2013 at 1.5secs, Dovi has also finished 2secs off MM, though you can't always trust that as he may have slowed to do a sick wheelie on his final lap.
MV has had a 2nd, 1st and then went on to Motogp, his best MGP result was 4th last year which was probably helped by DP slamming AD off the track.

Hard call to make but I'd be wagering on MM, MV or AD for winning it.

[husaberg]

Bullshit. ...
I just relooked at the advert and it has no carbs included or forks
Still 55K US is still a steal for a near complete works Cagiva
In this case though you are 100% right as that particular year had the lowly TM Mikuni carb. Likely only a few thousand.
Rather than the 25K plus Mag and Ti Keihin tool room specials the later ones had.
I can't remember the exact price of the Keihins but recall Patton inquired about them and were told either 25K or 100K (I can't remember which)and they clearly couldn't afford such frivolity so they stuck with what they had.
A week later a complete set of Keihin works carbs miraculously appeared in their pit, courtesy of tooth fairy (the works Honda squad) They had heard what had happened and just gave them some.
Incidentally from about that period to the last models of Cagiva a lot of internals are interchangeable with YZR500.
I can look up the cost of their cranks but they were pretty pricey even back in the mid nineties.
330247330248330249330250

[malcy25]

that particular year had the lowly TM Mikuni carb. Likely only a few thousand.


likely only a few HUNDRED!!

[roogazza]

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/04/20/2017_austin_motogp_preview_keeping.html

[pritch]

Mr Emmett is on to it, I have read other negative comments about CoTA, in that it doesn't promote good racing it's too fiddly.

He may have missed a flip with his comment about Rossi and his problem the front tyre though. Rossi has said that he initially thought his problem was caused by the softer carcase in the current front tyre, but then he had the same problem when he was on wets, so now he suspects it's the bike itself rather than the tyre. Anyway the next test should hopefully provide an answer.

[Crasherfromwayback]

so now he suspects it's the bike itself rather than the tyre.

Seems to be working ok for his team mate...

[roogazza]

Seems to be working ok for his team mate...

yeah mate , pretty hard to argue when your young teammate is going like a rocket. :scratch:

I'm looking forward to this next one. :shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

yeah mate , pretty hard to argue when your young teammate is going like a rocket. :scratch:

I'm looking forward to this next one. :shifty:

Even the new boys are going great guns on the Yamaha. Me too. I reckon it could be a beauty.

MM

MV

VR

DP

AD

[Dadpole]

MM

MV

VR

DP

AD

Can't think of a better pick than this either.

[Drew]

Mv

ad

vr

[george formby]

The missus has spoken. Check out 4th etc

MM

MV

VR

JZ

CC

AD

AI

I will stop right there. Oh, Lozenge 9th.

I love my missus!:love:

Ok, caveat, she thought it was Assen.:facepalm: Neverthless my love is unquenched and she stands by her pick..

[husaberg]

likely only a few HUNDRED!!

If they are anything like the ones on the YZR500 its a bit more complicated.
330240330241330242

Here are some actual genuine ones
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4842&page=4
including some prototype fuel injection

[george formby]

If they are anything like the ones on the YZR500 its a bit more complicated.
330240330241330242

Here are some actual genuine ones
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4842&page=4
including some prototype fuel injection

You're a porn pimp.

[husaberg]

You're a porn pimp.

Yes there is some tasty stuff there.
ESP in the Aprilia and Cagiva albums

[george formby]

Mn kjboird's fickd. tO mich drOOl.

[pritch]

Seems to be working ok for his team mate...

Which is of course irrelevant. They each have their own style. Pundits have said MV's style is more like Rossi's than George's, which may be true but the pundits aren't riding the bikes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Which is of course irrelevant. They each have their own style. s.

Most people seem only too happy to point out that Lorenzo is struggling with a bike Dovi is going ok on...so...you know what I mean?

[pritch]

Most people seem only too happy to point out that Lorenzo is struggling with a bike Dovi is going ok on...so...you know what I mean?

Not sure. Dovi has been riding the thing for years Lorenzo just got on it so to speak. And he didn't get a whole lot of experience last time out either come to think of it.
JL - or Ducati, may have work to do. After all they reputedly invested twenty million in him and they should have learned from their Rossi experience.

MM
MV
VR
lolly scramble

[onearmedbandit]

1st VR
2nd MV
3rd DP

8th JL
DNF MM

[Drew]

1st VR
2nd MV
3rd DP

8th JL
DNF MM
I'd give this the same odds as my pick.

[BMWST?]

mm,mv,dp,cc jz jlthis time it will be mr rossi taking out ad into turn 1

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not sure. Dovi has been riding the thing for years Lorenzo just got on it so to speak. And he didn't get a whole lot of experience last time out either come to think of it.


Odd. Weren't you loving the Dear Jorge posts badly? My point being...seems the JL haters love slinging shit...but recoil badly when VR gets any form of it back? Perhaps we should start a Dear Vale thread?

[Drew]

Odd. Weren't you loving the Dear Jorge posts badly? My point being...seems the JL haters love slinging shit...but recoil badly when VR gets any form of it back? Perhaps we should start a Dear Vale thread?
It'll be just as funny.

[speights_bud]

Odd. Weren't you loving the Dear Jorge posts badly? My point being...seems the JL haters love slinging shit...but recoil badly when VR gets any form of it back? Perhaps we should start a Dear Vale thread?
Fuck them both.

MM for President!

Sent from my GT-I9300T using Tapatalk

[pritch]

Odd. Weren't you loving the Dear Jorge posts badly? My point being...seems the JL haters love slinging shit...but recoil badly when VR gets any form of it back? Perhaps we should start a Dear Vale thread?

I was. I enjoyed the most recent one too. I don't hate George, or any of them, but like a lot of other people, I think he needs to make an effort be more likeable. Even so he has his moments.

Liking Rossi doesn't mean I hate Marquez. One of the riders may piss me off temporarily usually by taking someone else out, but next race it's all OK again.

FP1 hasn't gone according to prediction. The Honda was supposed to be the best bike at Cota and Aprilia was capable of shining. The Yamaha does not suit the track so well. So they said. Nobody told MV. Although Emmett does say some riders switched to a soft near the end of the session, others didn't.

Similarly in FP2 MV didn't switch to soft but the Hondas are starting to shine. Riders say the track is very bumpy everywhere.

Emmett posted this overnight, interesting but serious omissions?
"Viñales is on another planet. Marquez knows where that planet is. Pedrosa and Zarco have heard tell of another planet. Rest stuck on Earth."

[roogazza]

Maverick Vinales was third, but appeared not to use a soft tyre...

1. ^1 Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 2m 04.061s [Lap 14/14] 331km/h (Top Speed)
2. ^2 Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 2m 04.347s +0.286s [16/17] 331km/h
3. ˅2 Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 2m 04.451s +0.390s [10/17] 331km/h

4. ^4 Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 2m 04.806s +0.745s [15/17] 331km/h
5. ^2 Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 2m 04.811s +0.750s [12/15] 332km/h
6. ˅3 Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 2m 04.830s +0.769s [15/16] 334km/h
7. ^4 Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 2m 05.005s +0.944s [13/15] 328km/h
8. ^6 Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 2m 05.033s +0.972s [14/15] 332km/h
9. ^4 Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 2m 05.116s +1.055s [14/15] 333km/h
10. ^6 Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 2m 05.142s +1.081s [17/17] 327km/h
11. ˅5 Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 2m 05.282s +1.221s [14/15] 337km/h
12. ˅2 Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 2m 05.284s +1.223s [14/15] 333km/h
13. ˅1 Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 2m 05.463s +1.402s [12/15] 332km/h
14. ˅5 Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 2m 05.468s +1.407s [14/14] 328km/h
15. = Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 2m 05.584s +1.523s [12/14] 338km/h
16. ˅11 Alvaro Bautista ESP Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16) 2m 05.602s +1.541s [15/17] 340km/h
17. = Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 2m 05.943s +1.882s [14/16] 330km/h
18. ^2 Alex Rins ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 2m 06.155s +2.094s [13/13] 330km/h
19. ˅1 Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 2m 06.358s +2.297s [4/13] 327km/h
20. ^1 Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 2m 06.503s +2.442s [12/15] 330km/h
21. ˅2 Karel Abraham CZE Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15) 2m 06.709s +2.648s [9/11] 328km/h
22. = Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 2m 06.741s +2.680s [12/13] 327km/h
23. = Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 2m 07.434s +3.373s [15/15] 327km/h
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/244837/1/motogp-americas-austin-free-practice-2-results.html#Uiw3uy6EJpO8AFv8.99

[Autech]

MM
MV
DP
VR
AD
CC
JZ
JF
AE
Fuck knows from here


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[sugilite]

MV
MM
VR
Dovi

[EJK]

Marquez
Rossi
Crutchlow

[pritch]

Most people seem only too happy to point out that Lorenzo is struggling with a bike Dovi is going ok on...so...you know what I mean?

Sorry, it took me a while to understand what you were getting at but the vinho tinto is kicking in and in vino veritas?.

Agreed, on reflection my comments regarding Rossi and Lorenzo are at odds. I've read explanations as to the problems Rossi and Lorenzo are having while their respective team mates remain unaflicted.

Can't remember who it was, but one explanation was that Rossi was used to the old Yamaha, the new one is different and he is having trouble adjusting. Vinales coming to Yamaha new had no preconceptions and just got on with it. Maybe they should just give VR his old Tech3 bikes, Zarco isn't slow on those?

Lorenzo's style on the Yamaha was a development of his 250 style, all about corner speed. George isn't the first rider to have trouble turning the Ducati. We'll see in due course if he was a one trick pony - or if Ducati can give him a bike he can use.

So while I can't give you a definitive answer, the coming weeks and months should.

[Autech]

Quali was epic turned on just in time to see the quick laps. JL really pleased to be on 2nd row and ahead of AD.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[husaberg]

Sorry, it took me a while to understand what you were getting at but the vinho tinto is kicking in and in vino veritas?.

Agreed, on reflection my comments regarding Rossi and Lorenzo are at odds. I've read explanations as to the problems Rossi and Lorenzo are having while their respective team mates remain unaflicted.

Can't remember who it was, but one explanation was that Rossi was used to the old Yamaha, the new one is different and he is having trouble adjusting. Vinales coming to Yamaha new had no preconceptions and just got on with it. Maybe they should just give VR his old Tech3 bikes, Zarco isn't slow on those?

Lorenzo's style on the Yamaha was a development of his 250 style, all about corner speed. George isn't the first rider to have trouble turning the Ducati. We'll see in due course if he was a one trick pony - or if Ducati can give him a bike he can use.

So while I can't give you a definitive answer, the coming weeks and months should.

Interesting thing is Rossi coach now is actually Lorenzo high corner speed style rider (Cadalora)
http://www.wcm-group.com/pictures/Winona_WCM/large/Winona_WCM-070303140237.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHyskzXuc80

Four former World Grand Prix Champions riding MiniGP motorcycles at Kenny Robert's ranch, New Year's get together 1991. Featuring Kenny Roberts Sr. 1984, 1986, 1980 500cc World Grand Prix Champion (Lucky Strike Leathers, in the beginning he's wearing a sweatshirt over his leathers), Eddie Lawson 1984, 1986, 1988, and 1989 500cc World Grand Prix Champion (Red and White Marlboro Leathers), Wayne Rainey 1990, 1991, 1992 500cc World Grand Prix Champion (Red and White Yamaha Leathers) and John Kocinski 1990 250cc World Grand Prix Champion and 1997 Superbike World Champion (Red, White and Silver leathers). Eddie Lawson showed up with a YSR50 with a YZ80 engine in it, and kicked everybody's butt, Kenny Roberts had a four stroke engine in one of his bikes,

330284
Eddies YSR50/YZ80

[Crasherfromwayback]

Quali was epic turned on just in time to see the quick laps. JL really pleased to be on 2nd row and ahead of AD.


MM and MV basically a sec a lap faster than everyone else. Awesome last lap from MM, just when it looked like MV was gonna have it. Bring on race day. Best save of the day? Baz in FP4 by miles!!!

[Autech]

MM and MV basically a sec a lap faster than everyone else. Awesome last lap from MM, just when it looked like MV was gonna have it. Bring on race day. Best save of the day? Baz in FP4 by miles!!!

I'm picking DP will jump MV off the line and may just hold him up enough to let MM set off into the distance. MV will win or lose the race off the line


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[BMWST?]

I'm picking DP will jump MV off the line and may just hold him up enough to let MM set off into the distance. MV will win or lose the race off the line


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think MM is ultimately the fastest but will the tyres last . I think MVcan win. Cant help but think that if it comes to a battle again MM will be the aggressor but MV may have too much grip/tyre life inhand.Certainly looks like its goonea be those too.Whats up with Bautista,4th in argentina 19th here and well behind his compatrots on old ducs

[Crasherfromwayback]

Best save this season I reckon...

http://www.motogp.com/en/facebook_update/2017/04/22/how-to-crash-twice-and-still-save-it/225958

[5150]

Way to go VR46 :banana:

[Autech]

Fuck that was a great race. Thought I was gunna make $90 for a while there! DP looked gutted for 3rd but got the most out of his bike I think.
VR... can't say any more really that guys now leading...



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[EJK]

Very happy to see Pedro back on the podium. Well done that lad!

Zarco = New Iannone? Ha!

[eelracing]

Zarco = New Iannone? Ha!

Where the hell does he think he has the right to even share the same track as the Golden one?let alone try to pass him!!!

Bloody amateurs need to learn their place.

[roogazza]

Where the hell does he think he has the right to even share the same track as the Golden one?let alone try to pass him!!!


I was hoping Zarco would hold CC off but alas no.
Rossi did great again ! Go Vale !
Hondas looked pretty good,even CC and Miller up towards the front.
Hiccup for MV.

[pritch]

I was hoping Zarco would hold CC off but alas no.
Rossi did great again ! Go Vale !
Hondas looked pretty good,even CC and Miller up towards the front.
Hiccup for MV.

This new arrangement that partially replaced Race Direction needs a talking to. I don't think RD would've issued a penalty for the Zarco Rossi thing. Zarco might get a talking to as well, as a Yamaha satellite rider it's probably a good policy not to take out their factory riders.

Miller and Crutchlow have both reportedly got the new big bang engine and both are now using the chassis that CC had in testing, the one that DP and MM didn't like.

Gazza, I'm getting old and me memory's going, can you remind me who's leading the championship?:rolleyes:

[5150]

I think Rossi knows that it will be very hard to keep up with MM and MV. But as long as he is on the podium every single race his chances will stay alive. Just wait till the other two slip up and he is in with the chance. Just as it happened now. He hasn't won a race this season and is already leading. Go VR for the 10th :)

[roogazza]

This new arrangement that partially replaced Race Direction needs a talking to. I don't think RD would've issued a penalty for the Zarco Rossi thing. Zarco might get a talking to as well, as a Yamaha satellite rider it's probably a good policy not to take out their factory riders.
Miller and Crutchlow have both reportedly got the new big bang engine and both are now using the chassis that CC had in testing, the one that DP and MM didn't like.
Gazza, I'm getting old and me memory's going, can you remind me who's leading the championship?:rolleyes:


I think Rossi knows that it will be very hard to keep up with MM and MV. But as long as he is on the podium every single race his chances will stay alive. Just wait till the other two slip up and he is in with the chance. Just as it happened now. He hasn't won a race this season and is already leading. Go VR for the 10th :)

lol yeah pritch, he's past his best for sure :laugh:

5150, a 10th maybe, if he keeps up and waits to pounce ? That'd be special.:shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Gazza, I'm getting old and me memory's going, can you remind me who's leading the championship?:rolleyes:


He hasn't won a race this season and is already leading. Go VR for the 10th :)

Doesn't really matter who's leading after only three rounds. Bloody great ride by the old boy. But he'll have a dnf yet, and his chances of a tenth are still not great sorry. Three from 3 at the tab for me though. :msn-wink:

[Autech]

So Rossi thinks Zarco's a bit too rough, Zarco thinks the move was on the limit but ok...
I think there's a difference between standing someone up and bashing them out of the way which needs to be pointed out to Zarco.

Honda is looking great in acceleration now compared to Qatar so promising signs for DP n MMs championship prospects


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[pritch]

I've been back a few pages and it would seem none of us have a fuctioning crystal ball?

Nobody that I noticed predicted
MM
VR
DP

Although it isn't *that* hard to see why.

[EJK]

Marquez
Rossi
Crutchlow



I've been back a few pages and it would seem none of us have a fuctioning crystal ball?

Nobody that I noticed predicted
MM
VR
DP

Although it isn't *that* hard to see why.

I got MM and VR correct.

I guessed CC finishing 3rd but ended up in 4th, so half a point? :eek:

[Drew]

I'm glad the penalty didn't screw up Rossi's result. I don't think he should have backed out of the line, the rule is clear that the passing rider has to do it cleanly.

At the same time, he could certainly have stayed on track. Hard passes are part of racing at the top level, and it's not like Rossi hasn't put many a guy out of podium contention with a rough move.

[speights_bud]

I'm glad the penalty didn't screw up Rossi's result. I don't think he should have backed out of the line, the rule is clear that the passing rider has to do it cleanly.

At the same time, he could certainly have stayed on track. Hard passes are part of racing at the top level, and it's not like Rossi hasn't put many a guy out of podium contention with a rough move.
I'm also glad for him it didn't stuff up the result. But I'm also happy with what the penalty was.

I was thinking oh just fuck off Harris you cunt with all the shit he was spouting about Rossi having no choice etc.

It was pretty clear he benefited from the run off as he closed up on MM so much. So needed to remedy that somehow. I thought perhaps he could have done that himself by either rejoining just in front of Zarco, putting him where he was before the incident. Instead he kept it pinned.

I also thought the penalty I've seen used in the past is to drop a position, but that would have been overkill and outright unfair.

I think they made the right call, they probably looked at how much time he gained from MM over the incident and pinged him for that.

Harris can fuck off, you can even get the feeling the other commentators want to tell him to shut it half the time.

[pritch]

I got MM and VR correct.

I guessed CC finishing 3rd but ended up in 4th, so half a point? :eek:

Well, that is a good effort.

[ecko_nzed]

I was thinking oh just fuck off Harris you cunt with all the shit he was spouting about Rossi having no choice etc.

Harris can fuck off, you can even get the feeling the other commentators want to tell him to shut it half the time.

Totally! You notice in Matt Birt's tone after Harris makes these stupid comments, that he thinks Harris is on another planet.

I can't imagine it's easy commentating by looking at a little screen, but I think they need to put the Old guy out to pasture

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

[Autech]

Totally! You notice in Matt Birt's tone after Harris makes these stupid comments, that he thinks Harris is on another planet.

I can't imagine it's easy commentating by looking at a little screen, but I think they need to put the Old guy out to pasture

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Off to the meat works I say, I'll do the culling. Anyone with 2 eyes would have noticed how much Rossi gained by running off track, but not Harris...

MV needs to learn how to launch a motorcycle asap otherwise he's going to struggle all year to maximise his incredible quali pace. Can't help but think he had a fair few bikes to pass even if he hadn't gone for a gravel trip.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[ellipsis]

...MV has a lot to learn yet...until then, fast and skillful when things are going right is not enough to bank on any certainties from him...lots of wet tracks and incidents in the rest of the season to come yet...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm also glad for him it didn't stuff up the result. But I'm also happy with what the penalty was.

I was thinking oh just fuck off Harris you cunt with all the shit he was spouting about Rossi having no choice etc.

It was pretty clear he benefited from the run off as he closed up on MM so much. So needed to remedy that somehow. I thought perhaps he could have done that himself by either rejoining just in front of Zarco, putting him where he was before the incident. Instead he kept it pinned.

I also thought the penalty I've seen used in the past is to drop a position, but that would have been overkill and outright unfair.

I think they made the right call, they probably looked at how much time he gained from MM over the incident and pinged him for that.

Harris can fuck off, you can even get the feeling the other commentators want to tell him to shut it half the time.

100% best post.

MM FTW! He's only gonna get better as they get their head round the Honda. Best season yet? Prob. (I'm also a huge MV fan)

[speights_bud]

Sitting here watching Moto2 with my 3yo daughter. When Pasini crashed she pipes up "he's doing his butter!" followed by "it's Lorenzo??" haha

[speights_bud]

Totally! You notice in Matt Birt's tone after Harris makes these stupid comments, that he thinks Harris is on another planet.

I can't imagine it's easy commentating by looking at a little screen, but I think they need to put the Old guy out to pasture

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

I say let him do the post race conference stuff as he's less likely to fuck it up, but let someone else do the race commentary.

[pritch]

Overnight the Brit pundits were divided over Rossi's penalty. Some were concerned that lawyers could take over GPs and we will have to wait months until the court hearings conclude to find out who won the race. In the spirit of the America's Cup. Others were concerned at the ground Rossi made on Marquez by riding over the paint. Some favoured gravel traps although even that doesn't always stop Rossi.

Oxley was totally opposed to the penalty but has since had a chat with Race Direction and is happier now, but he didn't mention the detail of the explanation he received.

This particular penalty is the result of a recentish rule change. Previously the penalty would have been to drop a place. There was an instance where Folger was told to drop a place but the next bike was ten seconds back, which was a disproportionate penalty for his offence. Thus the change.

Re Nick Harris, He may be in the process of being phased out? He doesn't seem to do commentary on Moto 2 or 3, just the GPs. Maybe I should write and tell him how much I'm enjoying retirement to encourage him to take the leap..

[Dadpole]

Nick Harris has not done Moto2 & 3 for a couple of years. Just as well too. His head would probably explode trying to keep up with the leader changes in Moto3.

BTSport commentary for me... Most entertaining team, and the bonus of Colin Edwards at most rounds.

[onearmedbandit]

This particular penalty is the result of a recentish rule change. Previously the penalty would have been to drop a place. There was an instance where Folger was told to drop a place but the next bike was ten seconds back, which was a disproportionate penalty for his offence. Thus the change.



Mike Webb said normally a rider would've been required to drop a place but because Rossi in their opinion had been forced off the track a place penalty was unfair.

[Autech]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/climbing-mount-everest

[Drew]

Good grief, have ya read the comments on that piece?

[Autech]

Good grief, have ya read the comments on that piece?

All hail VR greatest rider the world has ever seen etc etc

[pritch]

Good grief, have ya read the comments on that piece?

The ones I saw seemed mild rather than wild. People who write items for papers and magazines are advised never to read the public comments, there is a percentage of the population is unhinged. Some people though can be very witty, and if you haven't got a dog in the fight it can be highly amusing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

All hail VR greatest rider the world has ever seen etc etc

I'd certainly say he's one of the most adaptable. To be able to keep doing what he does at his age, against the new age boys, really is fucking amazing.

[Dadpole]

I'd certainly say he's one of the most adaptable. To be able to keep doing what he does at his age, against the new age boys, really is fucking amazing.

If you are one of the new age boys, it must be fucking annoying. "Move over old man. The future is here" Followed by "Fuck.... How did he do that"

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you are one of the new age boys, it must be fucking annoying. "Move over old man. The future is here" Followed by "Fuck.... How did he do that"

Yep. He's reinvented himself a few times over the years.

[husaberg]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/climbing-mount-everest
Intersting read.
Kevin used to be all over the bike not only for leverage and because he was lanky, but because it was set up with a long wheelbase than the other bikes.
it may not have been the fastest way arround a corner, but it did allowed him great braking stability which he used to pass people by out braking them.

[eelracing]

People who write items for papers and magazines are advised never to read the public comments, there is a percentage of the population is unhinged.

Unhinged or not I raised the same point about using body-language in reply to one of his articles on fairing wings last year,so maybe he does read em.
As an aside thank fuck they were banned as the Ducati looked like it had a bad case of genital warts by the end.

The Rainey/Schwantz battle at Assen footage included I didn't think was a good representation of just how much those 500's could snap sideways let alone keep the front hoop on the deck.
Their Suzuka showdowns are legendary and for a laugh check out Gardener rearranging the jewels after a particularly nasty tank landing...


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/duRtd3i9YPo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[husaberg]

Unhinged or not I raised the same point about using body-language in reply to one of his articles on fairing wings last year,so maybe he does read em.
As an aside thank fuck they were banned as the Ducati looked like it had a bad case of genital warts by the end.

The Rainey/Schwantz battle at Assen footage included I didn't think was a good representation of just how much those 500's could snap sideways let alone keep the front hoop on the deck.
Their Suzuka showdowns are legendary and for a laugh check out Gardener rearranging the jewels after a particularly nasty tank landing...


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/duRtd3i9YPo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

There is one about the same year where Rainey gets betten through the chicane he was actually passed/pounced on the two weeks in a row by Kevin.
Its in the Rainey vs Schwantz video i think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLuMZMskRCE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idzHUe8QdWw

This video demonstrate the cat and mouse see god and then brake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cJix1ij_vg

[pritch]

Maybe the Dear George dude got it right, the Germans are pissed off with Jorge after all. There is speculation on Bloomberg that VW are going to sell Ducati, or float it on the sharemarket, or something, or anything?

[Dadpole]

Crasherfromwayback has the wealth of nations in winnings. Perhaps he should make them an offer.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Crasherfromwayback has the wealth of nations in winnings. Perhaps he should make them an offer.

Lol. I wish.

[pritch]

This is recommended. I haven't read it myself yet but on the basis of the recommendation here 'tis:

http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-lorenzo-speaks-out-on-ducati

[Autech]

This is recommended. I haven't read it myself yet but on the basis of the recommendation here 'tis:

http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-lorenzo-speaks-out-on-ducati

Read it, fantastic break down (excuse the pun) of riding styles and how it translates to speed from one of the best in the world. Sounds like he's getting there slowly and has the right mentality.

[pritch]

Yeah that is a great interview. I commented recently that it has been said that George needs to make himself more likeable. He comes across as completely reasonable in that interview despite being under enormous pressure - as is the whole Ducati team apparently. (I'll still laugh at "Dear George" though. :whistle: )
Interesting comments about the field being more competitive now, even if there was a degree of self interest involved.

[Drew]

Condensed version.

Is it very different riding the Ducati?

Yes.

[Autech]

Condensed version.

Is it very different riding the Ducati?

Yes.

Yup that's the conDENSEd version. :facepalm:

[roogazza]

Wet start to Michelin test at Le Mans
UPDATED: Repsol Honda decides not to test, all others ride, 'new engine configuration' for Mika Kallio... [2]

Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp#F08yim200dLbdv5m.99

[pritch]

We had our say about the Rossi "adjustment" here, and we pretty much covered it. Here is Mat Oxley's interview with Mike Webb as to why things have done the way they have, and why it might be different next time.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/motogp-ballet-or-battle

[Autech]

Brutally honest article on Danny Kents struggles and prospects:

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/04/29/the_rise_and_fall_of_danny_kent.html

[pritch]

Brutally honest article on Danny Kents struggles and prospects:


It was indeed. Sadly though, it seems from his response that he didn't take any of it on board. A suitable hard-arsed, old-racer, mentor might help, but he doesn't appear to have one. If he had he might not be in the situation he now finds himself. And Jeremy McWiiliams is already taken.

[Autech]

It was indeed. Sadly though, it seems from his response that he didn't take any of it on board. A suitable hard-arsed, old-racer, mentor might help, but he doesn't appear to have one. If he had he might not be in the situation he now finds himself. And Jeremy McWiiliams is already taken.

I like the suggestion of Ant West in the comments. If there was ever a hard worker willing to jump through hoops to race a bike he's one. Though unless I'm mistaken didn't he fuck a few teams around also?

Don't care what his reasons are, he signed a contract to race for them for the year, by bailing out and not giving them the chance to help he's made himself very undesirable in the paddock.

[pritch]

Don't care what his reasons are, he signed a contract to race for them for the year, by bailing out and not giving them the chance to help he's made himself very undesirable in the paddock.

It's aso a worry that the whole GP paddock thinks he was more interested in his hair do and talking to his girl friend on the phone than thinking about the job. And now the WSBK paddock and the British Superbike paddock and uncle Tom Cobbley and all know about it, rides may be hard to come by.

[pritch]

Dorna currently have the whole 2005 Jerez MotoGP race available free but you do have to log in or register.


http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2017/05/03/spanishgp-watch-rossi-vs-gibernau-in-2005-for-free/226636

[Crasherfromwayback]

Crasherfromwayback has the wealth of nations in winnings. .

Quite poss to my detriment, I've gone $100 on MV @ 2.75 and $100 on MM @ $3.25. Rossi @ 3.5 was a temptation as he's soooo good round there...but not this year I feel.

[Dadpole]

Wealthy sods like you can afford to drop $100 now and again. Tightarse idiots like me must decide if I should risk 10 or 20 - so I don't blow my whole wad before the season is halfway...

Good luck anyway.

[EJK]

Quite poss to my detriment, I've gone $100 on MV @ 2.75 and $100 on MM @ $3.25. Rossi @ 3.5 was a temptation as he's soooo good round there...but not this year I feel.

Good on ya. I'm gonna drop $2 on MV. I'm a high rolla too yo.

[Autech]

Good on ya. I'm gonna drop $2 on MV. I'm a high rolla too yo.

Str8 ballin.

I'm looking to DP's high odds again... Such a fanboi


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[pritch]

This afternoon I received a message from a woman I used to work with. She was in hysterics reading the latest "Dear George" Facebook page, a letter to George from the yellow puta. It's written in such a way that you can almost hear Rossi saying the words.

If it's not against your religion it's worth a look.

[Autech]

This afternoon I received a message from a woman I used to work with. She was in hysterics reading the latest "Dear George" Facebook page, a letter to George from the yellow puta. It's written in such a way that you can almost hear Rossi saying the words.

If it's not against your religion it's worth a look.

I laughed for the first half of it, I'll give them that.

[speights_bud]

:violin::nono:

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/lorenzo-ducati-should-adopt-yamahas-chassis-philosophy-898644/

[EJK]

I laughed for the first half of it, I'll give them that.

Not enough "eehhh" or "eeeeingg" or "aeuhhh bouut"

[Autech]

:violin::nono:

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/lorenzo-ducati-should-adopt-yamahas-chassis-philosophy-898644/

He's got a good point though, Yamaha has been the fastest satellite bikes on the grid for many many years, you want to look at how good a bike is I say look to the guys on the Sats rather than the aliens on the factory bikes who can ride around issues. Yamaha spend less than Honda and Ducati yet they're currently top of the championship... Apparently MM is still on his 2014 chassis... Makes ya think eh?

[malcy25]

He's got a good point though, Yamaha has been the fastest satellite bikes on the grid for many many years, you want to look at how good a bike is I say look to the guys on the Sats rather than the aliens on the factory bikes who can ride around issues. Yamaha spend less than Honda and Ducati yet they're currently top of the championship... Apparently MM is still on his 2014 chassis... Makes ya think eh?

I think Rossi went down that path anyway - That's why Ducati got an alloy beam frame a little while after he landed there. To my mind there's some other stuff going on with the correlation of swing arm pivot, rear traction, weight bias etc.

[Autech]

I think Rossi went down that path anyway - That's why Ducati got an alloy beam frame a little while after he landed there. To my mind there's some other stuff going on with the correlation of swing arm pivot, rear traction, weight bias etc.

Yeah it was interesting how JL said it needs lots of rear brake to turn, which to my mind tells me lots of the geometry is rearward. He moves his seat up 5mm (or what ever it is) and suddenly the bike clicks and he's faster than Dovi for a bit.
She's a funny wee sport, it's very apparent at this level that no team can fluke going fast, you need to hammer out the hard yards and pour over the data to have any hope of winning, all the while you need to keep your riders on the bike for the entire race and uninjured...

Can you imagine the team brief:
Ok Jorge, we need you to go out and be fast, but don't crash, we're sorry the bike wont turn well but hey you can get them on the straights if you want? But don't accelerate too hard or you will tear up your rear tyre. That's why they're paid millions and we sit on couches.

[pritch]

Apparently MM is still on his 2014 chassis... Makes ya think eh?

Not sure, Pedro and MM both tried a new frame in testing but neither liked it. Crutchlow was asked to persevere with it. Last I read both he and Jack Miller are using that frame.

[Autech]

Not sure, Pedro and MM both tried a new frame in testing but neither liked it. Crutchlow was asked to persevere with it. Last I read both he and Jack Miller are using that frame.

Yeah Crutchlow said he was (MM 2014 chassis) in a recent interview and basically said Honda spend too much time on the engine and need to fix the chassis as it can't handle bumps, and that if the chassis was better it would give them the traction they needed.

[Luckylegs]

They reckoned george was at the press conference but i only saw a reasonably affable ducati rider and he wasnt italian so it werent dovi WTF

[pritch]

The rain in Spain falls mainly at Jerez.

[Dadpole]

Good news everyone. Sylvain Guintoli will stand in for Rins at Le Mans. :woohoo:

Also, it looks like Danny Kent may get a KTM for Moto3 there. Perhaps Kent has been thrown a lifeline by the Ajo Team, If so, he better grab it with both hands as the comments from his old team would get him the closed door treatment from most teams.

[pritch]

Perhaps Kent has been thrown a lifeline by the Ajo Team, If so, he better grab it with both hands as the comments from his old team would get him the closed door treatment from most teams.

Mr Ajo has a reputation for straightening out wayward lads. Of course he gets them cheap, any earning potential they had having evaporated. Here's hoping he can work his magic again.

[speights_bud]

Interesting interview with CC.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8XuDBjlWUUY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Dadpole]

Lorenzo in second after FP3 and looked like a very happy camper indeed. I have never been a '9-fingers' fan, but I was making encouraging noises during his fast lap and am genuinely pleased to see him showing some form. :clap:

[BMWST?]

i am pleased to see JL showing some speed.I dont understand the animosity some show towards him.There are some interesting results there,Tito Rabat mid pack,folger,readding and Zarco right at the top of where they could be.Very impressed at folger and Zarco.Zarco will be mixing it big time soon,and if anyone will get a moto 2 pass again it might be VR again for good measure!

[pritch]

Latest from David Emmett although things have moved on. Rossi may have solved his front end problem again as he went fastest in FP3?.
Well there was a MotoGP Tweet that said he went astest but the results list says fifth.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/05/05/2017_jerez_motogp_friday_round_up_quick.html

[EJK]

Holy crap Pedro is fast.

[BMWST?]

Holy crap Pedro is fast.
look at the top speeds ,lorenzo ,Pedrosa followed by Vinales and the two tech 3 bikes

GRAN PREMIO RED BULL DE ESPAÑAMotoGP Free Practice Nr. 3 Classification 2017



Jerez de la Frontera, Saturday, May 06, 2017

<tbody>
Pos.
Num.
Rider
Nation
Team
Bike
Km/h
Time
Gap 1st/Prev.


1
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
291.6
1'38.580



2
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Ducati Team
Ducati
293.0
1'38.798
0.218 / 0.218


3
25
Maverick VIÑALES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Maverick+Vi%C3%B1ales)
SPA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
291.1
1'38.809
0.229 / 0.011


4
93
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
289.6
1'38.971
0.391 / 0.162


5
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
288.5
1'39.082
0.502 / 0.111


6
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
LCR Honda
Honda
289.9
1'39.107
0.527 / 0.025


7
94
Jonas FOLGER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jonas+Folger)
GER
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
292.0
1'39.155
0.575 / 0.048


8
45
Scott REDDING (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Scott+Redding)
GBR
OCTO Pramac Racing
Ducati
289.6
1'39.216
0.636 / 0.061


9
5
Johann ZARCO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Johann+Zarco)
FRA
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
291.1
1'39.364
0.784 / 0.148


10
43
Jack MILLER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jack+Miller)
AUS
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
290.5
1'39.412
0.832 / 0.048


11
29
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
ITA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
290.4
1'39.492
0.912 / 0.080


12
53
Tito RABAT (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Tito+Rabat)
SPA
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
289.3
1'39.582
1.002 / 0.090


13
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
OCTO Pramac Racing
Ducati
291.6
1'39.645
1.065 / 0.063


14
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
289.1
1'39.653
1.073 / 0.008


15
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
Pull&Bear Aspar Team
Ducati
293.1
1'39.662
1.082 / 0.009


16
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
292.6
1'39.840
1.260 / 0.178


17
38
Bradley SMITH (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bradley+Smith)
GBR
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
288.9
1'39.906
1.326 / 0.066


18
44
Pol ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Pol+Espargaro)
SPA
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
291.5
1'40.026
1.446 / 0.120


19
8
Hector BARBERA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hector+Barbera)
SPA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
291.4
1'40.189
1.609 / 0.163


20
76
Loris BAZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Loris+Baz)
FRA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
287.3
1'40.288
1.708 / 0.099


21
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
Pull&Bear Aspar Team
Ducati
290.4
1'40.289
1.709 / 0.001


22
22
Sam LOWES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Sam+Lowes)
GBR
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
286.2
1'40.552
1.972 / 0.263


23
12
Takuya TSUDA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Takuya+Tsuda)
JPN
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
286.5
1'40.953
2.373 / 0.401

</tbody>
Weather Conditions:

| Track Condition: Dry| Air: 20º|Humidity: 71%| Ground: 25ºRecords:


<tbody>
Fastest Lap:
Lap: 18
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
1'38.580
161.5 Km/h


Circuit Record Lap:
2015
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
1'38.735
161.2 Km/h


Best Lap:
2015
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
1'37.910
162.6 Km/h

</tbody>

[Crasherfromwayback]

i am pleased to see JL showing some speed.I dont understand the animosity some show towards him.

Mate...it's pretty easy to fathom. All of the Rossi butt lickers hate his guts because he's shown him up on the Yamaha ever since he's been on one.

[mulletman]

So its an all Honda front row , not much in it tho..biggest surprise to me is Ionnone found his way to the
second row :clap:

[Autech]

So its an all Honda front row , not much in it tho..biggest surprise to me is Ionnone found his way to the
second row :clap:

If there's one rider on the grid who knows the win it or bin it philosophy it's eeaaahhhnoni. He also followed JL all quali for a bit of tow.

Watched the quali live, was some epic looking laps by the Honda boys, loose as fuck!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[mulletman]

Watched the quali live, was some epic looking laps by the Honda boys, loose as fuck!






Yeah like last weekend it was good to watch :shit:

[Autech]

Bahahaaaa! Respect for JL just gone up even further. Swat the fly JL, swat him.

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/245285/1/more-confidence-more-knowledge-aiding-lorenzo-push.html




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bahahaaaa! Respect for JL just gone up even further. Swat the fly JL, swat him.


A lot of Rossi Fan Bois will have to eat some humble pie if JL actually wins a race on the Ducati. May be in trouble by the time they get to Mugello. :msn-wink: MM's slide and save on his last qual lap was fucking epic!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Interesting interview with CC.
>

I wonder why the cunt feels the need to sound like an Italian.

[BMWST?]

looking at the fp3 numbers is bloody good.If we thought the last couple of seasons have been good i reckon the next couple are going to have some real shake ups.Look how close it all is,on a bad day one of the top boys may be way back,the old ducs,the aprilias,the ktm and of course the zooks are bloody close.The slight inconsistincies of the michelins is also going to be a factor.

[EJK]

So, what are your top 3 pics for this weekend?

Rossi
Pedro
MM

DNF Lorenzo

[Crasherfromwayback]

So, what are your top 3 pics for this weekend?

Rossi
Pedro
MM

DNF Lorenzo

Pedro

MM

Rossi

MV

CC

[pritch]

I wonder why the cunt feels the need to sound like an Italian.

Yeah that received some attention on the Internet. Made me cringe 'cause it reminded me of Jim Bolger who would lapse into his private Pidgin if there was a foreigner in the room. Bloody embarrassing. When he went to the US Embassy...

Mat Oxley said other Brits in the paddock do it too. Makes a change from the usual Brit trait of talking progressively slower and louder in the certainty that eventually they will be understood.

One interesting comment involved wondering if Guy Martin did that too, would it help?

MM
DP
VR

[Crasherfromwayback]

Made me cringe
MM
DP
VR

I've been noticing it every time he's interviewed of late. Sad as.

[speights_bud]

I wonder why the cunt feels the need to sound like an Italian.
I found myself doing it with my driver in Thailand when on holiday. Although he spoke English it was a bit broken and strong accent. Nice bloke. But he couldn't understand a word I said if I spoke "normally".

When I adjusted to use the type of language the locals used we got on like a house on fire. Whatever works.

I suspect Crutchlows companions probably had a good level of English though....

Had a similar problem with Guy Martin as well, at times I spoke too fast for him believe it or not.

I remember being told about simple things which can confuse non native English speakers, like bonnet and boot vs hood and trunk. If they've been taught American English you might as well be speaking another language at times.

[Autech]

Go Dani!

He's looking good, I reckon he has some left in the tank.

DP
VR
MM
MV
CC



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[speights_bud]

Go Dani!

He's looking good,

If I remember correctly Jerez was the first time I saw him up and bugger off to win it a few years ago?

[BMWST?]

dp
mm
mv
cc
vr

[Autech]

If I remember correctly Jerez was the first time I saw him up and bugger off to win it a few years ago?

He loves the track and the last time he was competitive (2013) he won the race quite easily from memory. He fucked off n JL n MM squabbled for 2nd culminating in a late lunge by our hero.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[AllanB]

Rossi is going to win the season on points by consecutive podiums while the others get firsts and DNF's.

[EJK]

Japanese MotoGP manga artist (not hentai you sickos) Renka uploaded this the other day. Japanese are crazy I tell ya.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi is going to win the season on points by consecutive podiums while the others get firsts and DNF's.

Not gonna happen. Nicky Hayden is the last person to make that work for him.

[Reckless]

DP
VR
MM
MV
Crashlow
Ducati

[speights_bud]

Trying out this multiscreen thing, didn't even know I had it https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170507/30477c76ec6ed3cf07c8fc846973e41b.jpg

[EJK]

Trying out this multiscreen thing, didn't even know I had it

Thanks for that! Yeah just realised multi screen option is available. You can even drag and drop cameras omgwtfbbq!!

Life just got more wonderful.

[speights_bud]

Thanks for that! Yeah just realised multi screen option is available. You can even drag and drop cameras omgwtfbbq!!

Life just got more wonderful.
I suspect if you renewed before the end of season last year they may have chucked it in the package?

Individual rider cams appear to be about 4 sec behind commentary feed. Which can be great to see 2 angles of the same incident

[EJK]

I suspect if you renewed before the end of season last year they may have chucked it in the package?

Individual rider cams appear to be about 4 sec behind commentary feed. Which can be great to see 2 angles of the same incident

Yeah I forgot to disable subscription and was startled when suddenly a chunk of money was gone from my account to a foreign unknown European company!

Worth it.

[Autech]

Moto3 is a full contact sport


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[EJK]

Looks like Iannone's soul has gone to Zarco. Might as well call him Average Joe now.

Hey Autech, you rich yet?

[roogazza]

Riders' World Championship:
1. = Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 62 points
2. = Maverick Viñales SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 60 points (-2)
3. = Marc Marquez SPA Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 58 points (-4)
4. ^2 Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 52 points (-10)
5. ˅1 Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 41 points (-21)
6. ^1 Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 35 points (-27)

7. ˅2 Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 29 points (-33)
8. = Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 29 points (-33)
9. ^4 Jorge Lorenzo SPA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 28 points (-34)
10. ^1 Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 26 points (-36)
11. ˅2 Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 26 points (-36)
12. ˅2 Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 21 points (-41)
13. ^1 Aleix Espargaro SPA Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 17 points (-45)
14. ˅2 Alvaro Bautista SPA Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16) 14 points (-48)
15. ^1 Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 12 points (-50)
16. ^3 Hector Barbera SPA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 12 points (-50)
17. ˅2 Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 9 points (-53)
18. ˅1 Karel Abraham CZE Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15) 9 points (-53)
19. ˅1 Tito Rabat SPA Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 8 points (-54)
20. = Alex Rins SPA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 7 points (-55)
21. ^1 Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 3 points (-59)
22. ˅1 Pol Espargaro SPA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 2 points (-60)


That's all I have this morning, clinging to a slight lead, after poor result.
Zarco tho was a spark for a while. Crashlow could've podiumed but for a crash ! (his opinion ).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dear Vale.

10 Titles?

I think not.

[Autech]

Looks like Iannone's soul has gone to Zarco. Might as well call him Average Joe now.

Hey Autech, you rich yet?

More rich in happiness to see my fav rider overcome yet another massive injury to his collarbone and smash the very best in the business. Great to see the emotion on the podium from him, they seem like robots a bit sometimes.

Oh and JL on the podium, on a Ducati at Jerez... Whod've thunk it? Most importantly he's beating all the other Duc's now which is the true bench mark after all.

3 winners from 4 races...

[pritch]

For those who were wondering why Rossi complained of tyre problems when MV didn't seem to have a problem? They both had tyre probems this time out.
It seems the Yamaha is more susceptible to variation in tyres than the Honda, last year George needed the right tyres or he was lost.

Jackass received a "Dear Sir" letter advising him he'd been fined 1000 Euros. Reaction is mixed, some say if you are bunted into the gravel at 80mph you are entitled to give the perpetrator a shove. Others were concerned that the shovee might possibly already be injured.

I'm looking forward to the next Dear George. It'll have to be different. Before the race George was saying he's faster 'cause he's getting to grips with the rear brake. Apparently the Ducs have to use the rear brake to turn. The factory bikes have a hand lever to control the rear brake, it's referred to as a "thumb brake" in quotation marks which implies that's not quite what it is.

Zarco should be nothing if not motivated next time out.

Meantime testing tonight our time. Yamaha will be hoping for a stiffer carcase Michelin.

[Crasherfromwayback]

last year George needed the right tyres or he was lost.

.

Like Rossi this race. Unusual for him to be the last Yamaha home that's for sure.

[Autech]

Like Rossi this race. Unusual for him to be the last Yamaha home that's for sure.

He did his usual Sunday set up gamble/guess and this time it didn't pay off. Kudos for trying though! He's still leading the championship so did 100% the right thing, a rookie (or Crutchlow) would have binned it trying to keep up.

Shits getting real murky in regards to what is and isn't. Last year was DP lost because of his weight at Jerez, this year he won (in part) because of it... Ducati can't turn well and is shit at Jerez, JL and AD put in incredible races. Jerez is a Yamaha track but the two factory riders were miles back.

The only thing for certain is Andrea Iannone is a fly unworthy of an Aliens time, Crutchlow still is a crasher, Zarco can carve up a field of riders like a baws and Jack Miller has a good shove!

Zarco, a future Motogp champion? Yes he's got a good bike under him but can't help but think he's got a bit more going than that.

[EJK]

Zarco, a future Motogp champion? Yes he's got a good bike under him but can't help but think he's got a bit more going than that.

Oh yeah the first few laps were interesting! Zarco carving up senior MotoGP riders (couple of them prev world champions) like they were standing still...! Crazy Frenchman!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh yeah the first few laps were interesting! Zarco carving up senior MotoGP riders !

Might be worth a few dollars for his home GP. May well go totally bananas.

[EJK]

Might be worth a few dollars for his home GP. May well go totally bananas.

He'll flip? :msn-wink:

[Autech]

Might be worth a few dollars for his home GP. May well go totally bananas.

That bike absolutely smashed it there last year... Hmmmm...

[roogazza]

Yep, Jack Miller is Australian ,they can have him ! What a stroppy little prick ! :shifty:

Bet there are a few that have wanted to sort Bautista, but you can't do that. An expensive shove !

[Autech]

Yep, Jack Miller is Australian ,they can have him ! What a stroppy little prick ! :shifty:

Bet there are a few that have wanted to sort Bautista, but you can't do that. An expensive shove !

Fair enough too Jack's trying very hard to make the next step to around where CC is putting his bike (not the gravel :killingme) and getting punted by some prick at a circuit he does well at would fire ya up. Can't go pushing them though no matter how grumpy you are. I'd put a cheeky $1 on Jack for the podium too which pissed me off enough to want to push him over too.

Goes to show how important qualifying is, getting caught up in that shit helps no one.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fair enough too Jack's trying very hard .

It's not like he's never punted anyone into the gravel traps...

[Autech]

It's not like he's never punted anyone into the gravel traps...

Never... :angel:


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[onearmedbandit]

Got to say, had a smile watching JL last night steer his bike home in 3rd. Must be bloody hard having all that talent and ability and not find answers. Then to have the sports media/fan/etc pressure heaped upon you. Good on him.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Got to say, had a smile watching JL last night steer his bike home in 3rd. Must be bloody hard having all that talent and ability and not find answers. Then to have the sports media/fan/etc pressure heaped upon you. Good on him.

Couldn't agree more mate. And the more at the pointy end the better! Hopefully Rossi and MV will be back with vengeance next round too. Tough one for them.

[EJK]

Got to say, had a smile watching JL last night steer his bike home in 3rd. Must be bloody hard having all that talent and ability and not find answers. Then to have the sports media/fan/etc pressure heaped upon you. Good on him.

Totally thinking the same thing. People taking pisstake on Lorenzo was funny at first but later it became downright abuse. Was seriously happy for him standing on the podium.

[ellipsis]

Rossi and MV will be back with vengeance next round too. Tough one for them.


...it's all just racing and shit...there are too many variables involved with the appearance of the new blood in the GP class...Zarco is gonna be a wildcard new alien type if he keeps this shit up, but he may just be a sporadic brainfart like Miller and be a fast maybe...Folger?...MV and VR will need to find grip, and soon...when they do it will be even more interesting at the pointy end, there will be some learning going on for all of them...for a fan boi, I'm very happy and relieved to see JL get his shit together...makes it even more interesting...Go Vale!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Totally thinking the same thing. People taking pisstake on Lorenzo was funny at first but later it became downright abuse. Was seriously happy for him standing on the podium.

As I said a few posts back, give him a track with a long straight so he can use the Ducati's power advantage, and look out.

[Crasherfromwayback]

..Zarco is gonna be a wildcard new alien type if he keeps this shit up, but he may just be a sporadic brainfart like Miller !

He's far classier than that oily wankstain.

[ellipsis]

He's far classier than that oily wankstain.

...I reckon that too...

[Mental Trousers]

Just watched the race, loved it :niceone:

Johan is the man. Great to see him take it to the big boys and I'm sure he's going a long way in MotoGP.

Very happy for Lorenzo. I'm not a fan but it's great to see someone with so much skill, determination and talent turning things around. They've still got lots of work to do but all 3 GP17's finished in front of Rossi, with both factory Ducati's finishing ahead of the factory Yamaha's.

It's wonderful to see Dani on the top step again. I'd thought he wasn't going to get another look in at a Championship win but he's not that far behind. He tends to get on a roll once he's won so looking forward to seeing how things go for him in the next few races.

[russd7]

Yep, Jack Miller is Australian ,they can have him ! What a stroppy little prick ! :shifty:

Bet there are a few that have wanted to sort Bautista, but you can't do that. An expensive shove !

haven't liked the sulky little shit since he threw his toys out of the cot in moto3.

people keep saying he has matured but he showed his maturity yet again

[BMWST?]

Just watched the race, loved it :niceone:

Johan is the man. Great to see him take it to the big boys and I'm sure he's going a long way in MotoGP.

Very happy for Lorenzo. I'm not a fan but it's great to see someone with so much skill, determination and talent turning things around. They've still got lots of work to do but all 3 GP17's finished in front of Rossi, with both factory Ducati's finishing ahead of the factory Yamaha's.

It's wonderful to see Dani on the top step again. I'd thought he wasn't going to get another look in at a Championship win but he's not that far behind. He tends to get on a roll once he's won so looking forward to seeing how things go for him in the next few races.right.

i think it shows that the honda is better balanced than it has been and that the michelins are coming good.If there are conditions like this again Dani could well win it.Man I am impressed with Zarco and Folger.Zarco for a podium for sure.I wonder if Mr Rossi has learned to keep his opinions on what other riders should do to himself.

[onearmedbandit]

I would love to see DP convincingly win a MotoGP championship, just to shut up all the armchair experts who question why he has a factory ride, and also for his own personal satisfaction. I'd like to see that more than VR taking the elusive 10th championship.

[pritch]

I would love to see DP convincingly win a MotoGP championship, just to shut up all the armchair experts who question why he has a factory ride, and also for his own personal satisfaction. I'd like to see that more than VR taking the elusive 10th championship.

Nah. We know exactly why he has a factory ride. He has a factory ride because Stoner retired. The Repsol team was going to be MM and CS. DP was gone, but with Stoner's retirement he lived on. Actually he's loosened up in his old age, we might even miss him when he finally goes.

[Autech]

Nah. We know exactly why he has a factory ride. He has a factory ride because Stoner retired. The Repsol team was going to be MM and CS. DP was gone, but with Stoner's retirement he lived on. Actually he's loosened up in his old age, we might even miss him when he finally goes.

Someone smarting cause he gave Yamaha a good arse kicking? :bash:

He has his ride because he can ride the fuck out of a motorcycle. If Honda had dropped him the other factories would all have been lining up with their daughters as a dowry just to sign him. If he'd taken the Yamaha over Maverick he'd have won almost every race this year and be on his way to his first GP championship, unfortunately that parallel universe doesn't exist so we'll never know, but Pedrosa showed on Sunday that he can turn his collarbone to powder once again come back just as strong.

[Mental Trousers]

Man I am impressed with Zarco and Folger.Zarco for a podium for sure.

They both got the right team and bike. The Yamaha is the easiest of all of the MotoGP machines to get along with so it's the best machine for new MotoGP riders.


I would love to see DP convincingly win a MotoGP championship, just to shut up all the armchair experts who question why he has a factory ride, and also for his own personal satisfaction. I'd like to see that more than VR taking the elusive 10th championship.

Absolutely. I'd love to see DP win a championship over everyone else.


Nah. We know exactly why he has a factory ride. He has a factory ride because Stoner retired. The Repsol team was going to be MM and CS. DP was gone, but with Stoner's retirement he lived on. Actually he's loosened up in his old age, we might even miss him when he finally goes.

They were going through some stats for DP in the commentary at one point in the weekend. Apparently he the most podiums for Honda of any rider (105 podiums out of 185 starts says Google (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dani_Pedrosa)). So when you look at the numbers he more than justifies having that ride.

[pritch]

Someone smarting cause he gave Yamaha a good arse kicking? :bash:



Not at all. The reality is that Pedro was gone but for Stoner retiring. He wins one GP a year as reliable as clockwork. If everybody else keeps taking points off each other that could even a championship, although it's not *that* likely.

If he doubles his success rate this year it wouldn't bother me at all. If it's an exciting race, or even a sufficiently interesting one, I don't really care who wins.

[manxkiwi]

He's far classier than that oily wankstain.

That might just be my new sig! Gold.

[Asher]

https://scontent.fbeg2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18402766_1426431524082229_834388936360820454_n.jpg

Explains Rossi falling back so bad at the end of the race.

[roogazza]

330860

someone want to read Rossi's rubber after Jerez ? :confused:

[EJK]

Yikes. Were they made out of erasers?

[BMWST?]

well how come MV was so fast today in conditions not unlike sunday?

[onearmedbandit]

well how come MV was so fast today in conditions not unlike sunday?

Um maybe because Rossi and him are different people and Vale is struggling with the current set up and Maverick isn't?

[BMWST?]

Um maybe because Rossi and him are different people and Vale is struggling with the current set up and Maverick isn't?
apparently MV fast times were set early in the day when conditions were considerably cooler and track had More grip than sunday race time.That does explain it.

[pritch]

apparently MV fast times were set early in the day when conditions were considerably cooler and track had More grip than sunday race time.That does explain it.

And different tyres.

[Autech]

I wonder if Aleix would benefit from a bit of rear brake too going off his comments on stability when he releases the brake

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/245355/1/fourth-fastest-espargaro-finds-front-tyre-gains.html


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[pritch]

David Emmett has interesting comments on the current tyre situation. https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/05/09/2017_jerez_motogp_test_round_up_the_tire.html

BT Sport do a Moto GP podcast. It's shorter than some of the others, the hosts vary and there are usually interesting interviews. It'll be available from Apple or wherever you get your podcasts.

One comment from the latest is to the efect that it's weird that last years Yamahas are faster than this years. Which following Jerez is obvious to everyone. Maybe they should make a step backward to go forward?

[Grumph]

One comment from the latest is to the efect that it's weird that last years Yamahas are faster than this years. Which following Jerez is obvious to everyone. Maybe they should make a step backward to go forward?

Not weird at all - Yamaha have just as much a history of going the wrong way on chassis as Honda - just not as frequently, LOL.
They also have a history of quick mid season fixes - unlike Honda...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not weird at all - Yamaha have just as much a history of going the wrong way on chassis as Honda -..

ROC Yamaha anyone??

[Autech]

Not weird at all - Yamaha have just as much a history of going the wrong way on chassis as Honda - just not as frequently, LOL.
They also have a history of quick mid season fixes - unlike Honda...

Look at 2014. MM fucked off with the championship whilst the Yams struggled. Easy to blunt a sharp edge I'm guessing when you are pushing the envelope of what's possible on two wheels


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Viking01]

Just happened to see this link this morning.

http://newatlas.com/electric-motorcycle-racing-2019-motogp/49439/

[BMWST?]

Not weird at all - Yamaha have just as much a history of going the wrong way on chassis as Honda - just not as frequently, LOL.
They also have a history of quick mid season fixes - unlike Honda...I think the yamaha has been the better bike at the beginning of the last few seasons. Honda have improved their bike more during the season than yamaha I think ,again over the last few seasons. Somehow though the Honda seeams to work better over a wider range of conditions

[Dadpole]

There are a lot of conclusions being drawn over the Yamahas having one bad race out of four. I am waiting for another race before I send them off for scrap.

Speaking of another race - Guintoli will be on the Suzuki at Le Mans. I will sacrifice a virgin (if I find one) to see him on the podium :wings: as he has the most amazing combination of French and Yorkshire accents, As well, he is a top bloke and a real talent.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think the yamaha has been the better bike at the beginning of the last few seasons. Honda have improved their bike more during the season than yamaha I think ,again over the last few seasons. Somehow though the Honda seeams to work better over a wider range of conditions

I think the Honda has been inferior for a couple of years now. Tis why pedro only wins one a year instead of a couple. It's just that MM is such a freak (much like Stoner), that he can win on it regardless and challenge for the title every year despite it's short comings.

[husaberg]

ROC Yamaha anyone??

Which was an exact copy mm perfect of the previous years works Yamaha chassis built from bueprints supplied by Yamaha.
They only needed it because Rainey had been injured and was unable to do the pre season testing.
He arrived back and told them that their NEW shit hot coaxle spocket chassis that somene else had tested (caladora who had never raced a 500GP bike)was a total utter POS.
thy then went to the back up plan of a far to stiff extruded frame which he also didn't like
After Rainey demanded the old chassis after a few races They told him they had go rid, or sold off all the old style chassis and after more pressure they finally relented and agreed tolet them use a ROC chassis , iI could have just as easy have beeen a Harris frame. they were the same design spec.

Doohan basically used the same chassis design all the way through from 93 on he only asked for a new chasssis in his final year.
Kevin Schwantz arrived at the first race one year to find the frame was totally shit and nothing lkike what he had tested, after a bit of head scraching and checking it turned out some one had misread rh dimensions and the main spars was something like 2 inches too long.

[malcy25]

I think the Honda has been inferior for a couple of years now. Tis why pedro only wins one a year instead of a couple. It's just that MM is such a freak (much like Stoner), that he can win on it regardless and challenge for the title every year despite it's short comings.

Yep....and I think the Honda usually make a tad more power than the yam, though last year the RCV was hurting on initial acceleration?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep....and I think the Honda usually make a tad more power than the yam, though last year the RCV was hurting on initial acceleration?

I think the engine has plenty of power, but is too abrupt in it's delivery. They were able to tame it with their electronics, not so much so with the spec electronics. Perhaps they're getting their heads round it now?

[malcy25]

I think the engine has plenty of power, but is too abrupt in it's delivery. They were able to tame it with their electronics, not so much so with the spec electronics. Perhaps they're getting their heads round it now?
And MMs skill is filling th gap!

[Crasherfromwayback]

And MMs skill is filling th gap!

See post # 710...

[Autech]

Lots of MM loving going on here. Short memories it seems as he hardly rode around any problems in 2015, he kept crashing until they were able to make the bike suit his style again by going back to the old frame. The Honda is the perfect bike for his riding style


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Reckless]

Lots of MM loving going on here. Short memories it seems as he hardly rode around any problems in 2015, he kept crashing until they were able to make the bike suit his style again by going back to the old frame. The Honda is the perfect bike for his riding style


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And not Pedro's which is why he should have tried to move.
He would have done better on the Yammy or even the Suzuki.

[Autech]

And not Pedro's which is why he should have tried to move.
He would have done better on the Yammy or even the Suzuki.

Agree there about the Yamaha. He has one strength which suits the Honda which is how he gets the bike stood up out of the corners n fucks off with its epic engine.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lots of MM loving going on here. Short memories it seems as he hardly rode around any problems in 2015, he kept crashing

He still won races on it though. Much like Stoners last year on the Ducati. Total heap of shit he kept out riding and crashing, yet he too won races on it. Something no cunt has been able to do much of since.

[pritch]

The world is heading for LeMans, well some of it is. The race is not popular with all of the pundits, David Emmett for one will not attend. Outragious prices for crap services and aggressive security staff seem to be problems. The town is lovely but the track is dire seems to be a common sentiment. I won't be at the track though, I'll be sitting in my living room with a bottle that came from France. Near enough.

The track has been resurfaced so exactly who will benefit from that is a mystery - until Friday night anyway.

[Autech]

The world is heading for LeMans, well some of it is. The race is not popular with all of the pundits, David Emmett for one will not attend. Outragious prices for crap services and aggressive security staff seem to be problems. The town is lovely but the track is dire seems to be a common sentiment. I won't be at the track though, I'll be sitting in my living room with a bottle that came from France. Near enough.

The track has been resurfaced so exactly who will benefit from that is a mystery - until Friday night anyway.

Rain showers predicted for all 3 days apparently. Could get a sneaky satellite rider or 2 on the podium. Not sure Zarko is known as a rain rider though but home crowd and grippy surface. LET IT RAIN!

[pritch]

One tip I saw was for a satelite Ducati to do well if it's wet. Here's hoping that it doesn't turn into a lottery.

[pritch]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/vive-le-zarco

[EJK]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/vive-le-zarco

Great read. Thanks!

[Autech]

One tip I saw was for a satelite Ducati to do well if it's wet. Here's hoping that it doesn't turn into a lottery.


15 Alvaro Bautista 501.00
16 Loris Baz 301.00
17 Sylvain Guintoli 201.00
18 Bradley Smith 201.00
19 Hector Barbera 501.00
20 Pol Espargaro 301.00
21 Karel Abraham 501.00
22 Tito Rabat 501.00
23 Sam Lowes 501.00

I know a few names there that could pull off a wet win paying over $300... Hilarious how Guintoli has better odds than a few of the full time riders, who writes that shit?

[Mental Trousers]

15 Alvaro Bautista 501.00
16 Loris Baz 301.00
17 Sylvain Guintoli 201.00
18 Bradley Smith 201.00
19 Hector Barbera 501.00
20 Pol Espargaro 301.00
21 Karel Abraham 501.00
22 Tito Rabat 501.00
23 Sam Lowes 501.00

I know a few names there that could pull off a wet win paying over $300... Hilarious how Guintoli has better odds than a few of the full time riders, who writes that shit?

Guintoli is a farken weapon in slippery conditions. Seems to go best when it's so slippery nobody can get their knee down. But the Suzuki isn't so good in dodgy conditions.

[pritch]

Zarco and Folger have signed with Tech3 for 2018. A reasonable inference being that nobody is leaving the Yamaha team just yet?

[Autech]

So this weekends predictions from me (for whoever cares):

I'm thinking we are possibly going to see both JL and JZ on the podium. Problem is that leaves VR, MV, DP, AD and MM squabbling for one of the podium spots.

Lorenzo has a really good record there and he showed last round that he can ride that Ducati really well, AD was looking likely for a podium last year too when he and MM did their synchronized crashing. JZ will be on fire with the love of his fans and he's on the bike which kicked arse there last year. One of the pundits I read was thinking Aliex Esparagrus is looking likely to be in the mix too.

So to summarise I haven't a clue who is going to win, I'm hoping like hell it's Dani Pedrosa as per usual but most of all I'm looking forward to an excellent race at one of my favourite tracks to view the racing on. The commitment it takes for those guys to pass under brakes into the fast right left turns 1 and 2 is brilliant to watch.

[Reckless]

I read Rossi was saying the reseal of the track was good, he likes it.
So the others will too I hope as there was some concern about it in the lead up.
This will make for a good weekend :)

[Autech]

I read Rossi was saying the reseal of the track was good, he likes it.
So the others will too I hope as there was some concern about it in the lead up.
This will make for a good weekend :)

Apparently it is less bumpy now, which will suit the Honda boys. Though extra grip will favour the Yamaha. Pull a name out of a hat?

[ellipsis]

Apparently it is less bumpy now, which will suit the Honda boys. Though extra grip will favour the Yamaha. Pull a name out of a hat?


...Bobby?...

[george formby]

I've been a closet Zarco fan boi since I watched him teaching the kids on Motojournal. I would be ecstatic to see some back flips this season.

Ok, so Zarco on the podium behind MV and MM.

[malcy25]

I've been a closet Zarco fan boi since I watched him teaching the kids on Motojournal. I would be ecstatic to see some back flips this season.

Ok, so Zarco on the podium behind MV and MM.

Yeah, thinking same. Not sure on order....

[pritch]

I haven't read it yet, but this is David Emmett's take on LeMans. He posted on Twitter that his first effort was flippant, he doesn't like the LeMans GP, but following Hayden's accident he rewrote it in a more serious manner.

I'm going to read it now.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/05/18/2017_le_mans_motogp_preview_rough_nights.html


Having read Mr Emmett's article and the comment that Nicky never had a bad word to say about anyone, I'm reminded of something. There was an incident when Hayden was new to GPs and Biaggi, as was his way when attempting to intimidate a newcomer, brake checked Hayden. Hayden was later spotted with one hand around Biaggis's throat and his other fist cocked. I doubt that he had nothing to say, but whatever, apparently it had the desired effect.

[merv]

It was probably just some friendly southern boy Kentucky Kid greeting to Biaggi :laugh:

[BMWST?]

nothing unusual here....much


HJC HELMETS GRAND PRIX DE FRANCEMotoGP Free Practice Nr. 1 Classification 2017



Le Mans, Friday, May 19, 2017

<tbody>
Pos.
Num.
Rider
Nation
Team
Bike
Km/h
Time
Gap 1st/Prev.


1
43
Jack MILLER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jack+Miller)
AUS
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
291.8
1'37.467



2
93
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
293.5
1'38.755
1.288 / 1.288


3
5
Johann ZARCO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Johann+Zarco)
FRA
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
293.2
1'39.248
1.781 / 0.493


4
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
LCR Honda
Honda
293.5
1'39.607
2.140 / 0.359


5
76
Loris BAZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Loris+Baz)
FRA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
287.9
1'40.427
2.960 / 0.820


6
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
Pull&Bear Aspar Team
Ducati
293.4
1'40.528
3.061 / 0.101


7
38
Bradley SMITH (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bradley+Smith)
GBR
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
288.0
1'40.817
3.350 / 0.289


8
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
291.9
1'40.894
3.427 / 0.077


9
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
Pull&Bear Aspar Team
Ducati
298.6
1'41.024
3.557 / 0.130


10
25
Maverick VIÑALES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Maverick+Vi%C3%B1ales)
SPA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
297.8
1'41.307
3.840 / 0.283


11
29
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
ITA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
295.8
1'41.562
4.095 / 0.255


12
94
Jonas FOLGER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jonas+Folger)
GER
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
287.9
1'41.644
4.177 / 0.082


13
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
274.3
1'41.854
4.387 / 0.210


14
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
298.6
1'41.871
4.404 / 0.017


15
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
OCTO Pramac Racing
Ducati
294.6
1'41.887
4.420 / 0.016


16
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Ducati Team
Ducati
287.2
1'41.947
4.480 / 0.060


17
45
Scott REDDING (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Scott+Redding)
GBR
OCTO Pramac Racing
Ducati
294.9
1'42.040
4.573 / 0.093


18
53
Tito RABAT (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Tito+Rabat)
SPA
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
293.4
1'42.094
4.627 / 0.054


19
22
Sam LOWES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Sam+Lowes)
GBR
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
293.6
1'42.243
4.776 / 0.149


20
50
Sylvain GUINTOLI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Sylvain+Guintoli)
FRA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
292.5
1'42.891
5.424 / 0.648


21
8
Hector BARBERA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hector+Barbera)
SPA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
300.3
1'42.953
5.486 / 0.062


22
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
287.1
1'43.114
5.647 / 0.161


23
44
Pol ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Pol+Espargaro)
SPA
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
294.7
1'43.519
6.052 / 0.405

</tbody>
Weather Conditions:

| Track Condition: Wet| Air: 10º|Humidity: 96%| Ground: 14ºRecords:


<tbody>
Fastest Lap:
Lap: 18
Jack MILLER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jack+Miller)
1'37.467
154.5 Km/h


Circuit Record Lap:
2015
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
1'32.879
162.2 Km/h


Best Lap:
2016
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
1'31.975
163.8 Km/h

</tbody>

[roogazza]

FP2:
1. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 41.673s [Lap 18/20] 298km/h (Top Speed)
2. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 41.716s +0.043s [18/19] 290km/h
3. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 41.906s +0.233s [12/17] 294km/h
4. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 41.925s +0.252s [21/21] 295km/h
5. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 42.078s +0.405s [20/20] 295km/h
6. Alvaro Bautista ESP Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 42.625s +0.952s [21/21] 297km/h
7. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 42.729s +1.056s [12/16] 288km/h
8. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 42.894s +1.221s [17/18] 298km/h
9. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 42.998s +1.325s [18/19] 289km/h
10. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 43.006s +1.333s [20/20] 290km/h
11. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 43.177s +1.504s [16/16] 288km/h
12. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 43.250s +1.577s [19/19] 286km/h
13. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 43.340s +1.667s [9/14] 293km/h
14. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 44.177s +2.504s [21/21] 291km/h
15. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 44.276s +2.603s [12/21] 283km/h
16. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 44.572s +2.899s [12/17] 294km/h
17. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 44.678s +3.005s [21/21] 288km/h
18. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 45.074s +3.401s [17/19] 295km/h
19. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 45.119s +3.446s [14/18] 287km/h
20. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 45.622s +3.949s [13/13] 296km/h
21. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 45.804s +4.131s [17/17] 283km/h
22. Karel Abraham CZE Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 47.127s +5.454s [7/9] 281km/h
23. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 47.701s +6.028s [10/11] 278km/h

Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/248619/1/french-motogp-free-practice-2-results.html#lWWRyLL93z7AP97W.99

Still a bit early to predict anything,lets hope the bloody wet goes away?

[pritch]

Michelin have announced that the front tyre with a stiffer carcase will be the standard from Mugello. Apparently a vote was taken and that was the majority decision.
Those opposed reportedly included Lorenzo, Baz and Vinales. Naturally some are assuming this is all a Rossi conspiracy, although last time out he said he didn't think it made much difference.

[Dadpole]

FP3 was as good as a race - and better than some...

[Autech]

Holy fuck Jack Miller is a lucky man! Scary crash!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[EJK]

FP4: Damn what a mayhem...! Jack is a very very lucky man.

[Autech]

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/248677/1/millers-miracle-escape-i-let-go-before-i-hit-the-wall.html


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[BMWST?]

the yammies work very well when the grip is good.JZ will be going for any gap VR!.I thinkk MM will be in damage control mode.If the grip levels are suspect the Hondas will be back

[Autech]

MM's pace looked good enough for about 5th or 6th. DP looked to string the fastest laps together of all the Hondas in fp4 but was stuffed last minute by AD knocking him back in Q1.

Predictions:
VR
JZ
MV
DP
AD

CC n MM dnf.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[EJK]

MM's pace looked good enough for about 5th or 6th. DP looked to string the fastest laps together of all the Hondas in fp4 but was stuffed last minute by AD knocking him back in Q1.

Predictions:
VR
JZ
MV
DP
AD

CC n MM dnf.

Rossi
Zarco
Crutchlow

Lorenzo 20th

[ellipsis]

...yer all very brave making predictions for this one...

[Autech]

...yer all very brave making predictions for this one...

Thick you mean? Pretty sure it will be a Yamaha lock out on the podium though. You have last years dominant bike in the hands of a home hero on the charge. Honda boys just need to collect points n wait till next round I think


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[BMWST?]

if it remians similar conditions to fp4 and quali i think mv vr jz.If jz can make his tyres lst i am gonna picjk him for second.If it rains look out for dovi and dani,maybe CC and JM too.I think MM will remain quiet

[pritch]

Meanwhile JL has opined that Miller should not have been allowed to ride following his crash. There is some suggestion that miller didn't look completely "with it" but the medical team had passed him fit to ride.

Miller was apparently unimpressed and suggested George should shove his opinion where only his proctologist would see it. They aren't friends any more.

Dare say we'll get more detail in time but that's the gist.

[ellipsis]

...I don't think Miller has a lot to damage between his skull cases...